Does it matter if Jesus was killed by Jews? (And does that claim accurately describe what the Bible claims?)

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Does it matter if Jesus was killed by Jews?



Read the history of the Jews, then read the history of Christianity. You’ll see the same pattern: factions within both faiths fighting, splitting, and killing each other.

John Hyrcanus, the Hasmonean high priest and ruler, executed 800 Pharisees because they opposed his rule.

This was Jew against Jew, over orthodoxy, power, and the meaning of faith.

John Hus was burned alive for daring to challenge the corruption of the Catholic Church. Others followed him to the flames.

At the time of Christ, there were no “Christians.” Jesus was a Jew, speaking to Jews, and His conflict with the leaders of His day was an intra-Jewish dispute about orthodoxy, authority, and the vision of a liberated Israel.

It was not some eternal ethnic battle between “Jews” and “Christians.”

The Church has had to apologize for its crimes against the Jews, including centuries of weaponizing that very accusation.

To even hint at it today is antisemitism.


Does the idea that Jesus was killed by Jews accurately describe what the Bible claims?

Some scholars suggest the Gospels (post-70 AD) may have been composed or redacted to portray Romans more sympathetically—e.g., Pilate as reluctant—to appeal to Roman audiences and avoid persecution, shifting blame to Jewish leaders.




 
All religions are man made and are false.

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Jesus wasn’t a Jew cause Jesus was made up by the Roman Catholic Church in 326 at the Council. He was molded after Serapis Christus.
 
Jesus wasn’t a Jew cause Jesus was made up by the Roman Catholic Church in 326 at the Council. He was molded after Serapis Christus.

I don’t believe “Jesus the son of God” performed miracles and rose from the dead but that’s a different matter than someone by that name existing and preaching at that time.

There is a lot that predates 326.

Possible evidence of a historical Jesus:

1) Paul (the authentic letters, e.g. 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, 1 Corinthians — mid-1st century, c. 50s CE)​

What it says: Paul talks about Jesus’ death and resurrection, mentions people who knew Jesus (Peter/Cephas, James “the Lord’s brother”), and preserves an early creed (1 Cor. 15).
Why it’s strong: very close in time to the events (a few decades), independent non-Gospel testimony from within early Christianity, and shows an early movement centered on a recently executed leader.
Why it’s limited: Paul knows surprisingly little about the narrative details of Jesus’ earthly life (no birth stories, few sayings), so it’s strong for existence and crucifixion but weak for detailed biography.

2) The canonical Gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke, John — written c. 65–100 CE)​

What they say: extended narratives about Jesus’ life, teachings, miracles, trial, death and (for believers) resurrection.
Why they’re useful: preserve traditions (some likely older than the written texts), show multiple independent strands (Synoptics vs John), contain specific sayings and episodes that can be weighed by historians (using criteria like multiple attestation, embarrassment, contextual fit).
Why they’re problematic: written decades later, the authors had theological aims and edited traditions; miraculous and theological claims are not treated as historical facts by historians; some material is probably legendary or shaped for theological reasons.

3) Tacitus (Roman historian, Annals, early 2nd century, c. 115–120 CE)​

What it says: in describing Nero’s persecution of Christians, Tacitus writes that “Christus…suffered the extreme penalty under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius.”
Why it’s strong: a non-Christian, hostile source that independently confirms a crucified founder and links him to Pilate — scholars regard it as good external corroboration of execution.
Why it’s limited: written ~80–90 years after the events and Tacitus likely relied on sources available in Rome (not eyewitnesses); short and not biographical.

4) Josephus (Jewish historian, Antiquities of the Jews, late 1st century, c. 93–100 CE)​

What it says: two passages are relevant — a longer passage about Jesus (the Testimonium Flavianum) and a shorter mention of “James, brother of Jesus called Christ.”
Why it’s useful: Josephus is a near-contemporary Jewish source and the James passage is widely judged authentic or at least to have an authentic core (it names Jesus and James).
Why it’s tricky: the longer Testimonium contains clear Christian interpolations (added or edited by later Christians), so scholars try to recover an original, neutral core. Thus Josephus provides useful but complicated corroboration rather than a clean, independent biography.

5) Pliny the Younger (Roman governor, letter to Emperor Trajan, c. 111 CE)​

What it says: Pliny describes Christians in his province worshiping Christ “as if a god” and meeting for hymns and communal meals.
Why it’s useful: shows that by early 2nd century people worshipped a figure called Christ; confirms an organized movement with devotion to Jesus.
Why it’s limited: it doesn’t supply biographical details about Jesus himself (no birth or life narrative), only demonstrates the existence of a worshipping community.

6) Suetonius (Roman biographer, Lives of the Caesars, early 2nd century)​

What it says: a short remark that Claudius expelled Jews from Rome “because of Chrestus,” which some read as reference to disturbances about Christ. Another line refers to Christians later under Nero.
Why it’s useful: gives some Roman testimony that unrest in Rome involved people related to a figure called (or confused with) Christ/Chrestus.
Why it’s limited: the reference is ambiguous (Chrestus could be a common name or a garbled report) and is not clearly a biographical witness about Jesus; weaker evidence than Tacitus/Josephus.


Quick overall judgment​

  • Strongest historical support: the very early Pauline letters (for existence of a recent executed leader and early followers) combined with the Synoptic Gospel traditions (for more specific sayings/episodes that can be tested by historical methods).
  • Independent non-Christian corroboration: Tacitus and Josephus (especially the James reference) are important external confirmations that a crucified leader around Pilate’s time was associated with a movement; Pliny and Suetonius add attestation to an early, organized cult.
  • Net effect: Taken together these sources make the existence of a first-century Jewish teacher called Jesus who was crucified under Pilate very probable to historians; the sources are sufficient for that core claim but insufficient to establish theological or miraculous details.
Source (typical date)Years after 30 CEAge if eyewitness was 20 in 30 CEAge if eyewitness was 40 in 30 CELikelihood eyewitness alive / usable
Paul — authentic letters (c. 50s, use 55 CE)55 − 30 = 25years20 + 25 = 4540 + 25 = 65Very likely — direct informants/eyewitnesses plausibly alive.
Mark (c. 65–75, use 70 CE)70 − 30 = 4020 + 40 = 6040 + 40 = 80Likely — many adults could survive to these ages.
Matthew / Luke (c. 80–90, use 85 CE)85 − 30 = 5520 + 55 = 7540 + 55 = 95Plausible but thinning — younger eyewitnesses possible; older ones unlikely.
John (c. 90–100, use 95 CE)95 − 30 = 6520 + 65 = 8540 + 65 = 105Borderline/less likely — possible for a few long-lived eyewitnesses but rare.
Josephus (Antiquities, c. 93–100, use 93 CE)93 − 30 = 6320 + 63 = 8340 + 63 = 103Possible that some very long-lived informants existed; his information likely from tradition or local informants rather than many living eyewitnesses.
 
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If you're going to talk about the tale of "Jesus", at least get the name right. The letter J didn't exist as an alphabet until 1524.

Wtf does that have to do with the substance of this conversation?

Nobody was speaking English in that area at that time, nobody thinks they were using the letters and sounds we are using to have this discussion today. :smh: :smh: :smh:

Mfers so desperate to appear to be the smart guy that they come in talking about “Why aren’t you using the original Aramaic” while contributing absolutely nothing to the actual topic at hand. :smh:
 
This thread has had some of the dumbest one liners in BGOL history.

People have been contemplating God and the universe for thousands of years just for BGOLIANS to say Jesus ain't exist because you know they didn't even have the letter J back then. LOL
 
This thread isn’t about miracles, it’s about the execution of Christ. You are confident that is a fairytale?
Absolutely no evidence of him even existing. The Romans kept extensive records on all of their crucifixions, but somehow this mythical being’s record doesn’t exist…
Your faith has you believing he existed.​
 
Absolutely no evidence of him even existing. The Romans kept extensive records on all of their crucifixions, but somehow this mythical being’s record doesn’t exist…
Your faith has you believing he existed.​
Ummm...
This is factually incorrect. :smh:
The historic, written accuracy of Roman execution by crucifixion is "spotty" at best.

And although there is NO written proof of Christ's crucifixion, for you to claim that Roman's kept extensive records of such events is wrong.

Please Google this...:dunno:
 
This thread has had some of the dumbest one liners in BGOL history.

People have been contemplating God and the universe for thousands of years just for BGOLIANS to say Jesus ain't exist because you know they didn't even have the letter J back then. LOL
“Jesus” is a misnomer. And unless you were around during those times, you wouldn’t know. History is revised right before our eyes so it would be comical to believe everything that allegedly happened thousands of years ago based on the claims of others.
 
“Jesus” is a misnomer. And unless you were around during those times, you wouldn’t know. History is revised right before our eyes so it would be comical to believe everything that allegedly happened thousands of years ago based on the claims of others.

There is a huge sea between believing everything and believing nothing. Don't use the difficulty in finding evidence as a reason not to look.
 
This thread has had some of the dumbest one liners in BGOL history.

People have been contemplating God and the universe for thousands of years just for BGOLIANS to say Jesus ain't exist because you know they didn't even have the letter J back then. LOL
Wtf does that have to do with the substance of this conversation?

Nobody was speaking English in that area at that time, nobody thinks they were using the letters and sounds we are using to have this discussion today.
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Mfers so desperate to appear to be the smart guy that they come in talking about “Why aren’t you using the original Aramaic” while contributing absolutely nothing to the actual topic at hand.
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Who said that?
I said at least GET THE NAME RIGHT if you are going to tell the tale.
According to your books, his name would have been Yesuha.
More than half of you so-called holy rollers don't even know that.
You would think that for someone you claim to be such an important figure in your lives, you would want to use his correct name. :rolleyes2:
Its like calling somebody named Stan, "Bob". If you're too lazy to get your savior's name right, what does that say about you?


Oh, and there is a difference between saying "Jesus" never existed (atheist) and not caring whether he did or didn't (agnostic).
I suppose you all will just say they are one and the same. If you all are too lazy to get your own savior's name right, I wouldn't expect any of you to distinguish the difference.
I never said Yeshua never existed.
 
Who said that?
I said at least GET THE NAME RIGHT if you are going to tell the tale.
According to your books, his name would have been Yesuha.
More than half of you so-called holy rollers don't even know that.
You would think that for someone you claim to be such an important figure in your lives, you would want to use his correct name. :rolleyes2:
Its like calling somebody named Stan, "Bob". If you're too lazy to get your savior's name right, what does that say about you?


Oh, and there is a difference between saying "Jesus" never existed (atheist) and not caring whether he did or didn't (agnostic).
I suppose you all will just say they are one and the same. If you all are too lazy to get your own savior's name right, I wouldn't expect any of you to distinguish the difference.
I never said Yeshua never existed.

Your definition of atheist vs agnostic is totally wrong. Neither revolves totally around Jesus and an atheist can certainly be someone who doesn’t care if Jesus existed or who believes he may have existed but was not divine.

You also make assumptions like that Jesus is my savior and I’m too lazy to get the name right. I’m not a Christian. You should ask rather than assume.
 
Who said that?
I said at least GET THE NAME RIGHT if you are going to tell the tale.
According to your books, his name would have been Yesuha.
More than half of you so-called holy rollers don't even know that.
You would think that for someone you claim to be such an important figure in your lives, you would want to use his correct name. :rolleyes2:
Its like calling somebody named Stan, "Bob". If you're too lazy to get your savior's name right, what does that say about you?


Oh, and there is a difference between saying "Jesus" never existed (atheist) and not caring whether he did or didn't (agnostic).
I suppose you all will just say they are one and the same. If you all are too lazy to get your own savior's name right, I wouldn't expect any of you to distinguish the difference.
I never said Yeshua never existed.

I think you minimize the conversation when you make it about names and languages. Clearly different languages were spoken so names were given different translations in different historical texts. Too lazy to get your saviours name right doesn't even make sense. Your name doesn't define you it is how the world recognizes you but you would be you no matter what your name is or was. The lessons you can learn from any religious text are not historical they are allegorical. You are so caught up on the accuracy of the historical context that you miss the real message. God talks to us in many ways and the interpretation of that has been relayed by many beings throughout thousands of years. Of course the names may change but if the story is the same the story is what's important. That's how lessons are passed down through generations.
 
Put forth the whole truth. Whites represent a total unnatural force. And blacks still have a chance to return to their natural and glorious self. We are God. And we were born black in a white mans world where they have been dreaming they are superior over God ( blacks )
 
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