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What website can I catch the Errol Spence vs Danny Garcia bout on tonight??? Thanks for your help in advance.

DiGeneral said:
Danny being Danny.
His Pops is a loudmouth fool, always talking shit. Danny needs to sack Angel, and get some quality training.
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Probably too late for Danny to change up his style. This is who he is. He is not an all out fighter like Porter. At this stage in his career even with a new trainer he will revert back to his old style once them hits start coming.
This fight was more about everyone wanting what Spence would look like after everything he's been through.
 
Entrepronegro said:
Errol Spence Jr. vs. Terrence Crawford is the fight that needs to happen now.
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There needs to be better marketing

The only fight that needs to happen now is fury vs wilder

But fury is running because he knows he can't cheat because everybody going to be peeping those

Gloves and checking that water hard...

So fury knows his heavyweight championship days are numbered..

He ain't getting back up this time..

And he knows it..

That's why his bloody bloke cheating ass running from his contract..
 
Mrfreddygoodbud said:
There needs to be better marketing

The only fight that needs to happen now is fury vs wilder

But fury is running because he knows he can't cheat because everybody going to be peeping those

Gloves and checking that water hard...

So fury knows his heavyweight championship days are numbered..

He ain't getting back up this time..

And he knows it..

That's why his bloody bloke cheating ass running from his contract..
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Yeah true, Wilder vs. Fury trilogy need to be next. Fury is a tough SOB though from getting up from that knockout in the first fight. I don't think Wilder should take him likely.
 
Entrepronegro said:
Yeah true, Wilder vs. Fury trilogy need to be next. Fury is a tough SOB though from getting up from that knockout in the first fight. I don't think Wilder should take him likely.
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Lol

He won't....fury is fun to watch

But doesnt change the fact he a cheating ass Brit.

Hey you and every body reading this..

I need you to be honest and think here...

When in the history of boxing has a glove ever left a dent in somebody's skull.

After that fight Deontay had a dent in his fucking skull...

No swelling just a fucking dent

Whatever he had in his gloves couldve killed wilder

 
Mrfreddygoodbud said:
Lol

He won't....fury is fun to watch

But doesnt change the fact he a cheating ass Brit.

Hey you and every body reading this..

I need you to be honest and think here...

When in the history of boxing has a glove ever left a dent in somebody's skull.

After that fight Deontay had a dent in his fucking skull...

No swelling just a fucking dent

Whatever he had in his gloves couldve killed wilder

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They need to check the gloves fully next time then so it won't be any issues.
 
yardy said:
Probably too late for Danny to change up his style. This is who he is. He is not an all out fighter like Porter. At this stage in his career even with a new trainer he will revert back to his old style once them hits start coming.
This fight was more about everyone wanting what Spence would look like after everything he's been through.
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He would definitely benefit from someone who knows how to train a natural countepuncher better than Angel can. Someone like Virgil Hunter.
 
doug777 said:
I heard Spence was interested in an Alvarez fight, that fight would be as big or bigger than a Crawford fight.
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I think Spence beats Canelo and both Charlos but loses to Crawford and possibly Pacquiao.
 
Here is my take on Spence:

His career is looking more and more Bernard Hopkins-y by the day. It is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is definitely a thing.

  • Just like Hopkins, he fights a full weight class below his natural weight. Hopkins was a natural light-heavy who fought his prime at middleweight. Spence is a natural middle who fights at welter.
  • Just like Hopkins, Spence can't take out a fighter who doesn't want to be taken out. Spence fought both Mikey and Danny Garcia and they both went the distance with him. You can make excuses for why he couldn't stop them, but the fact is that neither fighter wanted to be knocked out and so they made sure that didn't happen and there was nothing Spence could do to change that. Hopkins couldn't stop fighters who didn't want to be stopped either. I remember watching Keith Holmes just put his guard up the entire fight and Hopkins could do nothing but win a lopsided decision. Spence and Hopkins can easily take out a fighter that is going to constantly come after them, but when THEY have to do the hunting, it is much more difficult for them.
  • Just like Hopkins, Spence fights up and down based on his competition. I think actually remember hearing someone say this about Spence last night. I had been thinking it already, but apparently I am not the only one who noticed. When Spence fought Mikey Garcia, he throttled it down. He was not his best self even though there was nothing physically wrong with him. He was just not motivated to be his best self. Hopkins used to do that all the time. He would bring his A plus game when the stakes were high, but if he thought his opponent wasn't threatening at all, then he would let off the gas.
He is also heavily reliant on the jab just like Hopkins (not a bad thing, just an observation), however, his jab is indeed better than Hopkins'. I enjoyed Hopkins' career, but he wasn't my FAVORITE guy to watch fight. I am starting to get that same feeling with Spence. I'm gonna enjoy his career, but I won't expect a KO when he fights anyone with solid defense.
 
I enjoyed the fight.

Spence was on his way to stopping Danny until he gassed in the later rounds.

I think his next fight he will be even better.
 
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Lennox Lewis wears suit lined with picture of 1988 Olympic win for Spence fight

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I don’t see anything wrong with Spence‘s performance. He dominated a very good fighter who was still in his prime. He didn’t knock him out but I can‘t recall Garcia ever being hurt by anybody. I give him at least a B+.

I didn’t think he was going to come back after that interview he was slurring his word. I guess it really was the dental work but now that makes him susceptible to a broken jaw.
 
Pipe said:
  • Hopkins was a natural light-heavy who fought his prime at middleweight.
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  • Not true, Roy Jones who was really a 168 lb fighter fighting at 175 was bigger than Hopkins. Jones at least twice has alluded to his size advantage over Hopkins, once while commenting on the Hopkins Simon Brown fight, Jones told Lampley and Merchant that he was so much bigger than Hopkins when they fought. After the Trinidad fight when Hopkins was trying trying to get a rematch with Jones, Jones again says I'm really too big for Bernard.




 
doug777 said:
  • Not true, Roy Jones who was really a 168 lb fighter fighting at 175 was bigger than Hopkins. Jones at least twice has alluded to his size advantage over Hopkins, once while commenting on the Hopkins Simon Brown fight, Jones told Lampley and Merchant that he was so much bigger than Hopkins when they fought. After the Trinidad fight when Hopkins was trying trying to get a rematch with Jones, Jones again says I'm really too big for Bernard.




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Roy Jones also fought below his weight class during his prime. So him being bigger than Hopkins means little. Hopkins was still bigger than everyone else.

If you don't believe me, then listen to Emmanuel Steward's commentary on the Hopkins-Tarver fight (Hopkins' light-heavyweight debut) when he said the exact same thing that I am saying, that Hopkins was a natural light-heavyweight and had been for many years at that point.
 
Pipe said:
Roy Jones also fought below his weight class during his prime. So him being bigger than Hopkins means little. Hopkins was still bigger than everyone else.
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That's the point I'm making. If Hopkins is smaller than Jones and Jones is an undersized light heavy how can Hopkins be a natural light heavy?
Pipe said:
If you don't believe me, then listen to Emmanuel Steward's commentary on the Hopkins-Tarver fight (Hopkins' light-heavyweight debut) when he said the exact same thing that I am saying, that Hopkins was a natural light-heavyweight and had been for many years at that point.
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That's not what Steward said. What he said is he felt Hopkins should have been fighting at light heavy a couple of years before he actually did. He never said he thought Hopkins was a natural light heavy.
 
  • Jones was never an undersized light-heavy. How can you go up and easily win a heavyweight title if you are an undersized light heavy? Jones was always bigger than Hopkins.
  • If Steward said that Hopkins should have been fighting at light-heavy years before he did, then that means that Hopkins was fighting below his weight class. Hopkins has always been a gym rat. He never has had a problem making a weight, even if it was a lower weight than his natural weight. That is exactly what Spence is doing. I don't have any issue with it. I am just saying that his career is looking very Hopkins-y.
 
Pipe said:
  • If Steward said that Hopkins should have been fighting at light-heavy years before he did, then that means that Hopkins was fighting below his weight class. Hopkins has always been a gym rat. He never has had a problem making a weight, even if it was a lower weight than his natural weight. That is exactly what Spence is doing. I don't have any issue with it. I am just saying that his career is looking very Hopkins-y.
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Hopkins wasn't a natural light-heavy. As you said, he never had a problem making weight. If he was a natural light heavyweight, he would have struggled to make weight. His actual walking around weight was below 177. He bragged about having a 29 inch waist. He had to add muscle to fight at light heavy. If someone is moving up to fight at their natural weight, they don't have to gain muscle. They just spend less time in training worrying about weight and concentrate on training. They don't have to be so careful with their diet.

They might of said he had the "frame" of a light heavy but that doesn't mean he was a light heavy. What they're saying is he was tall enough to add the weight without slowing down. That's two different things.
 
rude_dog said:
They might of said he had the "frame" of a light heavy but that doesn't mean he was a light heavy. What they're saying is he was tall enough to add the weight without slowing down. That's two different things.
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That is literally the same thing.

If you disagree, then tell me what was Floyd's natural weight class?
 
Ok. In the old days fighters used to weigh in the day of the fight. So if you fought at 160, you're natural weight was closer to that. You weren't going to show up in the ring half dead from struggling to make weight. You contracted to fight at 160, you weighed in 160 the day of the fight, you then hydrated up a couple of pounds. You're fighting at around 163/164 lbs. You're not going to have a big meal before a fight. Plus they fought more often, so they stayed closer to their weight class during that era.

In the 80's a couple of big fights were screwed by fighters not making weight so they switched to weigh ins a day or two before the fight. Now a days, you contract to fight at 160, you weigh in a couple of days early at 160 and you hydrate and fight at 170 or even more. You can have the big meal because now you have time to digest it.

Floyd fought at 147. He would hydrate up to 151 or 154. He made weight comfortably. If he had fought at 154, he would have been fighting opponents who hydrated up to 164, giving up 10 pounds. That shit matters. We started talking about Spence moving up to middleweight, understand at middleweight, you start seeing a lot more 6 footers. That height and reach matters, it's means you're taking more shots from the bigger man. You're taking more shots because now you have to work to get inside his greater reach.

You got two fighters, both are 6 foot but one is slim. He weighs 154 and his people think he's better off fighting at 147 where his height is an advantage. So he struggles to make weight. Now you look at him and say he can afford to add weight and fight at 160 but the problem is there's 6 foot guys at 160 who really weight 172 and struggled to get down to get down there for the weigh in.

If you're adding weight to fight at a certain weight, that's not you're natural weight class.
 
Pipe said:
He would definitely benefit from someone who knows how to train a natural countepuncher better than Angel can. Someone like Virgil Hunter.
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Exactly, a different voice/technique in the corner has done wonders for some fighters. Look at what Emanuel did for Klitschko, John David Jackson is doing for Shields. Maybe dudes will listen to Shawn Porter.... :dunno:
 
rude_dog said:
Ok. In the old days fighters used to weigh in the day of the fight. So if you fought at 160, you're natural weight was closer to that. You weren't going to show up in the ring half dead from struggling to make weight. You contracted to fight at 160, you weighed in 160 the day of the fight, you then hydrated up a couple of pounds. You're fighting at around 163/164 lbs. You're not going to have a big meal before a fight. Plus they fought more often, so they stayed closer to their weight class during that era.

In the 80's a couple of big fights were screwed by fighters not making weight so they switched to weigh ins a day or two before the fight. Now a days, you contract to fight at 160, you weigh in a couple of days early at 160 and you hydrate and fight at 170 or even more. You can have the big meal because now you have time to digest it.

Floyd fought at 147. He would hydrate up to 151 or 154. He made weight comfortably. If he had fought at 154, he would have been fighting opponents who hydrated up to 164, giving up 10 pounds. That shit matters. We started talking about Spence moving up to middleweight, understand at middleweight, you start seeing a lot more 6 footers. That height and reach matters, it's means you're taking more shots from the bigger man. You're taking more shots because now you have to work to get inside his greater reach.

You got two fighters, both are 6 foot but one is slim. He weighs 154 and his people think he's better off fighting at 147 where his height is an advantage. So he struggles to make weight. Now you look at him and say he can afford to add weight and fight at 160 but the problem is there's 6 foot guys at 160 who really weight 172 and struggled to get down to get down there for the weigh in.

If you're adding weight to fight at a certain weight, that's not you're natural weight class.
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Everyone adds weight to fight at a higher weight... That's basically how it works. My question to you is how do you determine a fighter's natural weight? Most boxing people say that whatever weight a fighter would walk around at if they were instantly retired is most likely their natural weight. I highly doubt that Spence would walk around anywhere near 147 if he retired tomorrow.
 
Pipe said:
Everyone adds weight to fight at a higher weight... That's basically how it works. My question to you is how do you determine a fighter's natural weight? Most boxing people say that whatever weight a fighter would walk around at if they were instantly retired is most likely their natural weight. I highly doubt that Spence would walk around anywhere near 147 if he retired tomorrow.
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Everyone doesn't have to add weight to move up. They usually just don't have to dehydrate down to make the weight at the lower level. When a fighter cuts weight, he doesn't want to lose muscle, he wants to lose fat and then dehydrate down. A fighter's natural weight is whatever he's most comfortable at without having to lose a lot of weight.

You were talking about Hopkins. Hopkins didn't walk around at 177, he was even lighter. He not only didn't try to de-hydrate, he had to gain muscle. He hired a trainer, started lifting weight and drinking protein shakes. So he wasn't a natural light-heavyweight.

Most fighters when the move up, don't have to add muscle. They just don't have to observe such a strict diet and they don't have to de-hydrate themselves which is dangerous.
 
rude_dog said:
Everyone doesn't have to add weight to move up. They usually just don't have to dehydrate down to make the weight at the lower level. When a fighter cuts weight, he doesn't want to lose muscle, he wants to lose fat and then dehydrate down. A fighter's natural weight is whatever he's most comfortable at without having to lose a lot of weight.

You were talking about Hopkins. Hopkins didn't walk around at 177, he was even lighter. He not only didn't try to de-hydrate, he had to gain muscle. He hired a trainer, started lifting weight and drinking protein shakes. So he wasn't a natural light-heavyweight.

Most fighters when the move up, don't have to add muscle. They just don't have to observe such a strict diet and they don't have to de-hydrate themselves which is dangerous.
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I agree with most what you are saying...

(Steven A. Smith voice) HOWEVER

One thing that was always said about Bernard Hopkins is that he was an anomaly as far as work ethic. He was even more of a gymrat than Floyd. It was nearly impossible to tell what his natural weight was at any given time because he always intentionally stayed at his fighting weight. His body fat was extremely low at middleweight which meant that he was probably burning muscle in the gym. If this was the case, then him "putting on muscle" simply meant that he stopped burning it off in the gym by increasing calorie intake. This is what Manny Steward and others were saying when they said that they suspected Hopkins had grown into a natural light heavy years before when was still happily fighting at middleweight. It's hard to tell exactly, though, since he never got out of fighting shape.

I suspect that the same thing applies to Spence. He always appears to stay in fighting shape, but his frame looks like it could easily hold 160 lbs of solid muscle with no loss of speed or agility. Kell Brook is the same way. He always stays in shape so he doesn't need to dehydrate much in order to make weight, even if he is going back down in weight, but we know Brook is naturally bigger than welter at this point because we have seen him fight at the higher weight.

Fighters who always train to stay in fighting shape don't really have to dehydrate to make weight. That only applies to fighters who only train during fight camp. That's when look at the fighter's frame and ask myself how much solid muscle can they put on without losing speed or movement.
 
Pipe said:
I agree with most what you are saying...

(Steven A. Smith voice) HOWEVER

One thing that was always said about Bernard Hopkins is that he was an anomaly as far as work ethic. He was even more of a gymrat than Floyd. It was nearly impossible to tell what his natural weight was at any given time because he always intentionally stayed at his fighting weight. His body fat was extremely low at middleweight which meant that he was probably burning muscle in the gym. If this was the case, then him "putting on muscle" simply meant that he stopped burning it off in the gym by increasing calorie intake. This is what Manny Steward and others were saying when they said that they suspected Hopkins had grown into a natural light heavy years before when was still happily fighting at middleweight. It's hard to tell exactly, though, since he never got out of fighting shape.

I suspect that the same thing applies to Spence. He always appears to stay in fighting shape, but his frame looks like it could easily hold 160 lbs of solid muscle with no loss of speed or agility. Kell Brook is the same way. He always stays in shape so he doesn't need to dehydrate much in order to make weight, even if he is going back down in weight, but we know Brook is naturally bigger than welter at this point because we have seen him fight at the higher weight.

Fighters who always train to stay in fighting shape don't really have to dehydrate to make weight. That only applies to fighters who only train during fight camp. That's when look at the fighter's frame and ask myself how much solid muscle can they put on without losing speed or movement.
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I think Errol Spence is the class of that division. I think he's competitive in any era. I don't see him beating Leonard or Hearns but he would surely be in the mix with De La Hoya or Trinidad. I think he beats a prime Pacquiao. One of the problems he's going to have moving up is in the middleweights, you start seeing a lot of 6 footers. That's a problem. Doesn't mean he can't beat the best 6 footer, just means now he has to work he's way into range against bigger, stronger men. He'll start taking more punishment over the years. There's a lot of money to made for him at welterweight. He's got 3 years worth of big money fights left with Crawford, Pacman and Lopez.

I don't see him beating the elder Charlo. He'll beat the younger brother thou. If he moves to 154, he'll be the champ but he's going to have some tough fights there. A lot of money to be made there too. I remember what Naazim Richardarson said, a fighter leaves every fight with 2 things, experience and damage.
 
rude_dog said:
I think Errol Spence is the class of that division. I think he's competitive in any era. I don't see him beating Leonard or Hearns but he would surely be in the mix with De La Hoya or Trinidad. I think he beats a prime Pacquiao. One of the problems he's going to have moving up is in the middleweights, you start seeing a lot of 6 footers. That's a problem. Doesn't mean he can't beat the best 6 footer, just means now he has to work he's way into range against bigger, stronger men. He'll start taking more punishment over the years. There's a lot of money to made for him at welterweight. He's got 3 years worth of big money fights left with Crawford, Pacman and Lopez.

I don't see him beating the elder Charlo. He'll beat the younger brother thou. If he moves to 154, he'll be the champ but he's going to have some tough fights there. A lot of money to be made there too. I remember what Naazim Richardarson said, a fighter leaves every fight with 2 things, experience and damage.
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Now we are talking.

I am respecting your boxing knowledge right now. But I want you to keep going.

Why do you think that Spence can't beat Jermall Charlo?

What exactly does Jermall do that you think Spence cannot handle? I think Spence washes him easily.
 
Pipe said:
Now we are talking.

I am respecting your boxing knowledge right now. But I want you to keep going.

Why do you think that Spence can't beat Jermall Charlo?

What exactly does Jermall do that you think Spence cannot handle? I think Spence washes him easily.
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Thank you,

I think Charlo is the real deal at middleweight. I'm not saying he's a top 10 in history but a legitimate multi-title defenses type fighter, especially with GGG and Canelo appearing out of the mix. If he gets past Andrade, I can see him holding the title for another 3 or 4 years.

I like the elder Charlo. He really shows you what a difference the mental game and preparation makes. He and his brother have the exact same genetics but he's the much better fighter because of his personality and mind.

I'm going with the old axiom, a good big man beats a great small man. Welterweight to middleweight is a biggie, much bigger than light weight to welter. That's why so few have done it, it was decades between Sugar Ray Robinson and then Leonard did it. When you're talking middleweights, now you're talking the beginning of big men. These are the type of guys of who could play cornerback or receiver in the SEC. They throw less punches and every punch matters.
 
rude_dog said:
Thank you,

I think Charlo is the real deal at middleweight. I'm not saying he's a top 10 in history but a legitimate multi-title defenses type fighter, especially with GGG and Canelo appearing out of the mix. If he gets past Andrade, I can see him holding the title for another 3 or 4 years.

I like the elder Charlo. He really shows you what a difference the mental game and preparation makes. He and his brother have the exact same genetics but he's the much better fighter because of his personality and mind.

I'm going with the old axiom, a good big man beats a great small man. Welterweight to middleweight is a biggie, much bigger than light weight to welter. That's why so few have done it, it was decades between Sugar Ray Robinson and then Leonard did it. When you're talking middleweights, now you're talking the beginning of big men. These are the type of guys of who could play cornerback or receiver in the SEC. They throw less punches and every punch matters.
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Nice work so far.

Now tell me how EXACTLY Jermall Charlo beats Errol Spence in a middleweight title bout.

Who controls the distance and why?

Who benefits from the fact that Spence is Southpaw and Charlo is orthodox?

Who wins in the clinch?
 

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