What is the Black Position on Illegal Immigration ???
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So, the President and some members of Congress have come up with a compromise on illegal immigration. Does anyone know:
One inquiring Black mind wants to know ...
QueEx
(1) How the compromise will affect Black people ?
(2) How letting 10-12 Million people just become legal will affect Black political participation ?
(3) What the fuck the Black Politicians are saying/doing on this issue ?
(4) Whether this is just another butt-fucking we have to accept, without grease ?
(2) How letting 10-12 Million people just become legal will affect Black political participation ?
(3) What the fuck the Black Politicians are saying/doing on this issue ?
(4) Whether this is just another butt-fucking we have to accept, without grease ?
One inquiring Black mind wants to know ...
QueEx
QueEx said:
1. WE are screwed now and even more in the future. Illegals who didnt get in on this round of amnesty will come in larger numbers in anticipation of the next round. The next round will come sooner rather then later because large numbers of Latinos will force it on us with their voting numbers.
2. Marginalized even further imo. Kiss that black councilman's seat goodbye and forget about the politicians throwing us the little bones they do now.
3. We wont hear a damn thing because of black peoples tendency to want to better everyones life even at the expense of our own.
4.
Sign"O" The Times...................It's Time 2 GO...................
SAFOOL said:1. WE are screwed now and even more in the future. Illegals who didnt get in on this round of amnesty will come in larger numbers in anticipation of the next round. The next round will come sooner rather then later because large numbers of Latinos will force it on us with their voting numbers.
2. Marginalized even further imo. Kiss that black councilman's seat goodbye and forget about the politicians throwing us the little bones they do now.
3. We wont hear a damn thing because of black peoples tendency to want to better everyones life even at the expense of our own.
4.
This is a pet peeve of my mine.
With all the BS we have to go through everyday, our scarce resources, and lack of support from other groups, it bewilders me when people start defending
Native Americans, Mexcians, illegal Mexican immigrants, and even rich whites (or any white for that matter).
None of this people give a SH** about us, and wouldn't lift a finger to help us.
Yet, some can't kiss these people's asses fast enough at the expense of their own people.
SELF-HATE at its finest.
I disagree with giving illegal immigrants amnest.
"where indigenous to this land."That another lie i disagree with.
That being said, I respect hard work, and this country is nothing but a land built by immigrants not for anyone else but their children..etc.
The president's point that there is no way we can remove these people from our country is100% true
So we have to come up with a compromise.
Whether it's a fine paid over a period of time and having to leave and reapply for proper documentation with a granite or return. Or something in that area.
I think is a reasonable way of moving forward on this issue.
"where indigenous to this land."That another lie i disagree with.
That being said, I respect hard work, and this country is nothing but a land built by immigrants not for anyone else but their children..etc.
The president's point that there is no way we can remove these people from our country is100% true
So we have to come up with a compromise.
Whether it's a fine paid over a period of time and having to leave and reapply for proper documentation with a granite or return. Or something in that area.
I think is a reasonable way of moving forward on this issue.
<font size="5"><center>Hispanic Groups Reconsider Support for Gonzales</font size><font size="4">
major Hispanic groups broke with civil rights organizations and
supported Alberto R. Gonzales's nomination for attorney general,
primarily because he would become the highest-ranking Latino
ever in a presidential Cabinet</font size></center>
By Darryl Fears
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 29, 2007; Page A03
Two years ago, major Hispanic groups broke with other civil rights organizations and supported Alberto R. Gonzales's nomination for attorney general, primarily because he would become the highest-ranking Latino ever in a presidential Cabinet.
Now, these groups say they are suffering from buyer's remorse.
"I have to say we were in error when we supported him to begin with," said Brent Wilkes, executive director of the League of United Latin American Citizens. Gonzales, Wilkes said, has not aggressively pursued hate crimes and cases of police profiling of Hispanics. "We hoped for better. Instead it looks like he's done the bidding of the White House."
Janet Murguia, president and chief executive of the National Council of La Raza, the nation's largest Hispanic rights group, called Gonzales "a follower, not a leader." In the Hispanic community, she said, "people are conflicted. They are excited that a Latino had a chance to serve as the attorney general." But, she added, "I think we've been disappointed with his record so far."
Activists have criticized La Raza and LULAC for backing Gonzales. Critics questioned how these groups could support, in the name of ethnic solidarity, a man who had a role in permitting more aggressive interrogation techniques to be used on terrorism suspects held in Cuba and elsewhere.
A few rights organizations that once backed Gonzales now refuse to talk about him. Gilbert Moreno, president of the Association for the Advancement of Mexican Americans, said, "We're not really in a position to comment." Gonzales once sat on his organization's board.
The National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, which offered enthusiastic support for Gonzales, also declined to discuss him. William Ramos, director of the organization's Washington office, said, "We provided a support letter, yes," then hung up.
Wilkes and Murguia said their disappointment with the attorney general started long before Democrats and Republicans in the Senate began calling for his ouster over the firing of U.S. attorneys.
"The reason these attorneys were fired is that they weren't investigating allegations of voter fraud," Wilkes said. "Republicans use voter fraud allegations to create more registration burdens for our members without any evidence. I think Gonzales himself was pushing some of these voter-restriction techniques. He ought to know better."
Patriot Act Instead of Human Rights
Wilkes said LULAC's frustrations with Gonzales came to a boil last year when he declined to meet with board members to discuss the beating and sodomy of a Mexican American teenager by two white teenagers in Houston. The attorney general agreed only to meet with Hector Flores, a former president of LULAC.
"When he showed up, Gonzales wouldn't talk much about the case," Wilkes said. "He wanted to lobby him for his support of the Patriot Act and the removal of individual protections. When that happened, we realized things weren't going as planned."
Flores, who still supports Gonzales, recalled the meeting differently. He said the attorney general met with only one person to avoid turning the session into a media event. Gonzales asked if LULAC would support extending the USA Patriot Act, and Flores said his answer was no.
"I do not see Alberto Gonzales as evil incarnate," Flores said. "Brent doesn't know him from Texas, where he was on the Supreme Court and did a favorable job."
Two years ago, Gonzales's stint on the Texas Supreme Court was cited as the reason that LULAC and La Raza supported him. Unlike other groups such as the NAACP, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the National Urban League and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, they backed Gonzales despite reports about the administration's policy on interrogations.
At a lavish award ceremony in March 2005, Murguia, of La Raza, praised the new attorney general while introducing him as the guest speaker. "We want to make sure that people understand that we are reaching out to this administration," she said of her liberal group. "We see this as an opportunity to get things done."
In return, Gonzales acknowledged La Raza, saying he had "this organization to thank for supporting my nomination for attorney general."
But he often did not acknowledge Murguia's telephone calls. "I think that if I called him, I know I could get to him," she said. "But I think the difference is someone who wants to engage the [Hispanic] community and do it on a regular basis, and I think we didn't see that.
"I think that based on his credentials in Texas, it appeared that he was qualified. I don't think he's demonstrated that."
Other Hispanic organizations say he has. The U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, the National Latino Peace Officers Association, the Latino Coalition and the Hispanic Alliance for Progress Institute all wrote letters supporting Gonzales when he became embroiled in the scandal over the prosecutor firings.
"We strongly oppose what is nothing but patently political calls for the resignation of Alberto Gonzales," the Latino Coalition wrote. "He has been, and continues to be, a leading example to all in the Hispanic community of what we can accomplish through hard work and keeping true to our dreams."
Carlos Villarreal, executive director of the San Francisco Bay Area chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, said Hispanic activists sometimes speak ill of La Raza and LULAC for supporting Gonzales.
"My sense is there is more cynicism about both these organizations, particularly among activists," he said. "My sense is that it's been a huge disaster having him there, for many reasons."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...05/28/AR2007052801139.html?hpid=moreheadlines
major Hispanic groups broke with civil rights organizations and
supported Alberto R. Gonzales's nomination for attorney general,
primarily because he would become the highest-ranking Latino
ever in a presidential Cabinet</font size></center>
By Darryl Fears
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 29, 2007; Page A03
Two years ago, major Hispanic groups broke with other civil rights organizations and supported Alberto R. Gonzales's nomination for attorney general, primarily because he would become the highest-ranking Latino ever in a presidential Cabinet.
Now, these groups say they are suffering from buyer's remorse.
"I have to say we were in error when we supported him to begin with," said Brent Wilkes, executive director of the League of United Latin American Citizens. Gonzales, Wilkes said, has not aggressively pursued hate crimes and cases of police profiling of Hispanics. "We hoped for better. Instead it looks like he's done the bidding of the White House."
Janet Murguia, president and chief executive of the National Council of La Raza, the nation's largest Hispanic rights group, called Gonzales "a follower, not a leader." In the Hispanic community, she said, "people are conflicted. They are excited that a Latino had a chance to serve as the attorney general." But, she added, "I think we've been disappointed with his record so far."
Activists have criticized La Raza and LULAC for backing Gonzales. Critics questioned how these groups could support, in the name of ethnic solidarity, a man who had a role in permitting more aggressive interrogation techniques to be used on terrorism suspects held in Cuba and elsewhere.
A few rights organizations that once backed Gonzales now refuse to talk about him. Gilbert Moreno, president of the Association for the Advancement of Mexican Americans, said, "We're not really in a position to comment." Gonzales once sat on his organization's board.
The National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, which offered enthusiastic support for Gonzales, also declined to discuss him. William Ramos, director of the organization's Washington office, said, "We provided a support letter, yes," then hung up.
Wilkes and Murguia said their disappointment with the attorney general started long before Democrats and Republicans in the Senate began calling for his ouster over the firing of U.S. attorneys.
"The reason these attorneys were fired is that they weren't investigating allegations of voter fraud," Wilkes said. "Republicans use voter fraud allegations to create more registration burdens for our members without any evidence. I think Gonzales himself was pushing some of these voter-restriction techniques. He ought to know better."
Patriot Act Instead of Human Rights
Wilkes said LULAC's frustrations with Gonzales came to a boil last year when he declined to meet with board members to discuss the beating and sodomy of a Mexican American teenager by two white teenagers in Houston. The attorney general agreed only to meet with Hector Flores, a former president of LULAC.
"When he showed up, Gonzales wouldn't talk much about the case," Wilkes said. "He wanted to lobby him for his support of the Patriot Act and the removal of individual protections. When that happened, we realized things weren't going as planned."
Flores, who still supports Gonzales, recalled the meeting differently. He said the attorney general met with only one person to avoid turning the session into a media event. Gonzales asked if LULAC would support extending the USA Patriot Act, and Flores said his answer was no.
"I do not see Alberto Gonzales as evil incarnate," Flores said. "Brent doesn't know him from Texas, where he was on the Supreme Court and did a favorable job."
Two years ago, Gonzales's stint on the Texas Supreme Court was cited as the reason that LULAC and La Raza supported him. Unlike other groups such as the NAACP, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the National Urban League and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, they backed Gonzales despite reports about the administration's policy on interrogations.
At a lavish award ceremony in March 2005, Murguia, of La Raza, praised the new attorney general while introducing him as the guest speaker. "We want to make sure that people understand that we are reaching out to this administration," she said of her liberal group. "We see this as an opportunity to get things done."
In return, Gonzales acknowledged La Raza, saying he had "this organization to thank for supporting my nomination for attorney general."
But he often did not acknowledge Murguia's telephone calls. "I think that if I called him, I know I could get to him," she said. "But I think the difference is someone who wants to engage the [Hispanic] community and do it on a regular basis, and I think we didn't see that.
"I think that based on his credentials in Texas, it appeared that he was qualified. I don't think he's demonstrated that."
Other Hispanic organizations say he has. The U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, the National Latino Peace Officers Association, the Latino Coalition and the Hispanic Alliance for Progress Institute all wrote letters supporting Gonzales when he became embroiled in the scandal over the prosecutor firings.
"We strongly oppose what is nothing but patently political calls for the resignation of Alberto Gonzales," the Latino Coalition wrote. "He has been, and continues to be, a leading example to all in the Hispanic community of what we can accomplish through hard work and keeping true to our dreams."
Carlos Villarreal, executive director of the San Francisco Bay Area chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, said Hispanic activists sometimes speak ill of La Raza and LULAC for supporting Gonzales.
"My sense is there is more cynicism about both these organizations, particularly among activists," he said. "My sense is that it's been a huge disaster having him there, for many reasons."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...05/28/AR2007052801139.html?hpid=moreheadlines
Its hard to blame the Latino organizations for supporting "one of their own" for a
high government office, we've done it too. On the other hand, the Black community
split substantially over the nomination of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.
Despite Clarence Thomas being Black; a large segment of our community realized that
just because you're Black doesn't necessarily mean that you have our community's
interest at heart.
Since the Latino community broke with the "Civil Rights Community" over the
appointment of Gonzales, it raises the question whether the Latino community really
shares anything with the Civil Rights Community, inspite of the fact that without
the Civil Rights Community, Latino's would hardly be raising any issues, today.
A lot of people of color may look a lot like us;
And we stand with and support a lot of people of color;
But a lot of people of color don't think they look like us;
And a lot of people of color don't stand with and support us.
QueEx
high government office, we've done it too. On the other hand, the Black community
split substantially over the nomination of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.
Despite Clarence Thomas being Black; a large segment of our community realized that
just because you're Black doesn't necessarily mean that you have our community's
interest at heart.
Since the Latino community broke with the "Civil Rights Community" over the
appointment of Gonzales, it raises the question whether the Latino community really
shares anything with the Civil Rights Community, inspite of the fact that without
the Civil Rights Community, Latino's would hardly be raising any issues, today.
A lot of people of color may look a lot like us;
And we stand with and support a lot of people of color;
But a lot of people of color don't think they look like us;
And a lot of people of color don't stand with and support us.
QueEx
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Wise up Black America. Seriously. Illegals > You
Read up on this. Very informative and it seems that black americans are feeling the brunt of those. Unfortunetly, america is not informed about this. The so called black leaders are not doing anything about this...
http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/blackamericans.html
This site talks about the impact of illegal immigrants on the economic decline of black americans.
Read up on this. Very informative and it seems that black americans are feeling the brunt of those. Unfortunetly, america is not informed about this. The so called black leaders are not doing anything about this...
http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/blackamericans.html
This site talks about the impact of illegal immigrants on the economic decline of black americans.
<font size="5"><center>Backlash against illegal immigration grows</font size></center>
By Dave Nontgomery
McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Sun, August 19, 2007
WASHINGTON — Seven weeks after the collapse of legislation in Congress, the outcry against illegal immigration is louder than ever, manifested by proposed clampdowns at the state and local level and an uproar over the arrest of an undocumented immigrant in the execution-style slayings of three New Jersey college students.
Scores of organizations, ranging from mainstream to fringe groups, are marshalling forces in what former House Speaker Newt Gingrich calls "a war here at home" against illegal immigration, which he says is as important as America’s conflicts being fought overseas in Iraq and Afghanistan.
While most of the groups register legitimate, widespread concerns about the impact of illegal immigration on jobs, social services and national security, the intense rhetoric is generating fears of an emerging dark side, evident in growing discrimination against Hispanics and a surge of xenophobia unseen since the last big wave of immigration in the early 20th century.
"I don’t think there’s been a time like this in our lifetime," said Doris Meissner, a senior fellow with the Migration Policy Institute and former commissioner of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. "Even though immigration is always unsettling and somewhat controversial, we haven’t had this kind of intensity and widespread, deep-seated anger for almost 100 years."
The Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said the number of "nativist extremist" organizations advocating against illegal immigration has grown from virtually zero just over five years ago to 144, including nine classified as hate groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan supremacists.
Some senators who participated in the mid-summer debate over President Bush’s failed immigration bill said they were barraged with some of the most venomous mail of their congressional careers. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who supported the bill legalizing undocumented immigrants, said he has received death threats because of his position.
"It is unbelievable how this has inflamed the American people," McCain said in an Aug. 16 speech at the Aspen Institute in Colorado.
Eighty-three percent of immigrants from Mexico and 79 percent of immigrants from Central America believe there is growing discrimination against Latin American immigrants in the United States, according to a poll conducted by the Miami-based Bendixen & Associates.
Instead of taking a downturn after the collapse of Bush’s immigration overhaul in June, the debate over illegal immigration has continued and seemingly escalated. As prospects for congressional action appeared increasingly in doubt this year, all 50 states and more than 75 towns and cities considered — and in many cases enacted — immigration restrictions, even though initial court rulings have declared such actions unconstitutional intrusions on federal responsibilities.
Two counties in the populous northern Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C., are among the latest to consider restrictions on immigration. Nationwide, many of the proposed ordinances strike a similar theme, penalizing employers who hire illegal immigrants, barring undocumented immigrants from certain municipal services or prohibiting landlords from renting to illegal immigrants.
The murders of three college students in Newark — and the wounding of a fourth — reignited calls for a clampdown on illegal immigration after disclosures that one of the suspects, Jose Lachira Carranza, was an illegal immigrant from Peru who was out on bail awaiting trial on assault and child rape charges. The case revitalized an argument made during the congressional debate that the flow of illegal immigrants, though predominated by job-seekers lured by the prospect of higher wages and better conditions, includes a menacing criminal element.
A coalition of 15 anti-illegal immigration groups denounced Newark's and New Jersey’s governments of "negligent complicity" in the deaths through inadequate law enforcement. The protest was organized by Dallas attorney David Marlett, who founded ProAmerica Cos., composed of more than 400 companies that refuse to knowingly hire illegal immigrants.
The Bush administration, in the absence of the sweeping immigration overhaul sought by the president, moved earlier this month to toughen enforcement of existing laws, threatening steeper penalties against employers and more vigorous worksite inspections. Pro-immigrant groups fear the new rules could result in wholesale firings as over-reactive employers seek to avoid possible violations.
Demographers and immigration experts say the passions over illegal immigration in the opening decade of the 21st century are comparable to those that swept through American cities with the surge of immigrants who descended on U.S. shores from the 1900s to the 1920s.
The latest wave of immigrants — both legal and illegal — is predominated by Mexicans and other Latin Americans who are venturing deep into the U.S. interior to follow the job market, often settling in towns and cities that, just a few years earlier, were unaccustomed to Hispanics.
In South Carolina, for example, nearly 50 percent of the state’s foreign-born population comes from Latin America, according to the Migration Policy Institute. The pattern is similar in Georgia, where Latin Americans make up 55 percent of the foreign-born population.
The resulting demographic impact on local communities can often lead to social tensions that help explain the intensity of feelings over illegal immigration, said Meissner and other experts.
"Immigration is now affecting the entire country," Meissner said. "A larger share of the immigrants are going to these newer areas. The rate of change is dramatic."
The growing presence has resulted in a proliferation of predominately conservative advocacy groups, many of whom weighed into the congressional debate, to demand the government halt the flow of illegal aliens.
Many, bowing to America’s legacy as a land of immigrants, stress that they support legal immigration — though possibly in reduced numbers — but view illegal immigrants as lawbreakers who take jobs that should go to U.S. citizens.
"It’s real important that we keep the word 'illegal’ in front when we talk about what these groups stand for," said Marlett, the ProAmerica Cos. founder. He said groups in his coalition have no tolerance for extremists who "try to glom on" to the immigration issue.
But John Trasvina, president of the Los Angeles-based Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF), said the backlash over illegal immigrants is clearly generating widening anti-Hispanic sentiments, often exemplified in hate rhetoric on talk shows and over the Internet.
MALDEF has thus far prevailed in legally defeating municipal immigration ordinances, but Trasvina said that "a poisonous atmosphere" remains.
"What these ordinances do is add tension to the communities," he said. "So a woman in the grocery is talking to her daughter in Spanish. It emboldens the person standing in line behind her to say, 'Hey, speak English.'"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/19043.html
By Dave Nontgomery
McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Sun, August 19, 2007
WASHINGTON — Seven weeks after the collapse of legislation in Congress, the outcry against illegal immigration is louder than ever, manifested by proposed clampdowns at the state and local level and an uproar over the arrest of an undocumented immigrant in the execution-style slayings of three New Jersey college students.
Scores of organizations, ranging from mainstream to fringe groups, are marshalling forces in what former House Speaker Newt Gingrich calls "a war here at home" against illegal immigration, which he says is as important as America’s conflicts being fought overseas in Iraq and Afghanistan.
While most of the groups register legitimate, widespread concerns about the impact of illegal immigration on jobs, social services and national security, the intense rhetoric is generating fears of an emerging dark side, evident in growing discrimination against Hispanics and a surge of xenophobia unseen since the last big wave of immigration in the early 20th century.
"I don’t think there’s been a time like this in our lifetime," said Doris Meissner, a senior fellow with the Migration Policy Institute and former commissioner of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. "Even though immigration is always unsettling and somewhat controversial, we haven’t had this kind of intensity and widespread, deep-seated anger for almost 100 years."
The Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said the number of "nativist extremist" organizations advocating against illegal immigration has grown from virtually zero just over five years ago to 144, including nine classified as hate groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan supremacists.
Some senators who participated in the mid-summer debate over President Bush’s failed immigration bill said they were barraged with some of the most venomous mail of their congressional careers. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who supported the bill legalizing undocumented immigrants, said he has received death threats because of his position.
"It is unbelievable how this has inflamed the American people," McCain said in an Aug. 16 speech at the Aspen Institute in Colorado.
Eighty-three percent of immigrants from Mexico and 79 percent of immigrants from Central America believe there is growing discrimination against Latin American immigrants in the United States, according to a poll conducted by the Miami-based Bendixen & Associates.
Instead of taking a downturn after the collapse of Bush’s immigration overhaul in June, the debate over illegal immigration has continued and seemingly escalated. As prospects for congressional action appeared increasingly in doubt this year, all 50 states and more than 75 towns and cities considered — and in many cases enacted — immigration restrictions, even though initial court rulings have declared such actions unconstitutional intrusions on federal responsibilities.
Two counties in the populous northern Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C., are among the latest to consider restrictions on immigration. Nationwide, many of the proposed ordinances strike a similar theme, penalizing employers who hire illegal immigrants, barring undocumented immigrants from certain municipal services or prohibiting landlords from renting to illegal immigrants.
The murders of three college students in Newark — and the wounding of a fourth — reignited calls for a clampdown on illegal immigration after disclosures that one of the suspects, Jose Lachira Carranza, was an illegal immigrant from Peru who was out on bail awaiting trial on assault and child rape charges. The case revitalized an argument made during the congressional debate that the flow of illegal immigrants, though predominated by job-seekers lured by the prospect of higher wages and better conditions, includes a menacing criminal element.
A coalition of 15 anti-illegal immigration groups denounced Newark's and New Jersey’s governments of "negligent complicity" in the deaths through inadequate law enforcement. The protest was organized by Dallas attorney David Marlett, who founded ProAmerica Cos., composed of more than 400 companies that refuse to knowingly hire illegal immigrants.
The Bush administration, in the absence of the sweeping immigration overhaul sought by the president, moved earlier this month to toughen enforcement of existing laws, threatening steeper penalties against employers and more vigorous worksite inspections. Pro-immigrant groups fear the new rules could result in wholesale firings as over-reactive employers seek to avoid possible violations.
Demographers and immigration experts say the passions over illegal immigration in the opening decade of the 21st century are comparable to those that swept through American cities with the surge of immigrants who descended on U.S. shores from the 1900s to the 1920s.
The latest wave of immigrants — both legal and illegal — is predominated by Mexicans and other Latin Americans who are venturing deep into the U.S. interior to follow the job market, often settling in towns and cities that, just a few years earlier, were unaccustomed to Hispanics.
In South Carolina, for example, nearly 50 percent of the state’s foreign-born population comes from Latin America, according to the Migration Policy Institute. The pattern is similar in Georgia, where Latin Americans make up 55 percent of the foreign-born population.
The resulting demographic impact on local communities can often lead to social tensions that help explain the intensity of feelings over illegal immigration, said Meissner and other experts.
"Immigration is now affecting the entire country," Meissner said. "A larger share of the immigrants are going to these newer areas. The rate of change is dramatic."
The growing presence has resulted in a proliferation of predominately conservative advocacy groups, many of whom weighed into the congressional debate, to demand the government halt the flow of illegal aliens.
Many, bowing to America’s legacy as a land of immigrants, stress that they support legal immigration — though possibly in reduced numbers — but view illegal immigrants as lawbreakers who take jobs that should go to U.S. citizens.
"It’s real important that we keep the word 'illegal’ in front when we talk about what these groups stand for," said Marlett, the ProAmerica Cos. founder. He said groups in his coalition have no tolerance for extremists who "try to glom on" to the immigration issue.
But John Trasvina, president of the Los Angeles-based Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF), said the backlash over illegal immigrants is clearly generating widening anti-Hispanic sentiments, often exemplified in hate rhetoric on talk shows and over the Internet.
MALDEF has thus far prevailed in legally defeating municipal immigration ordinances, but Trasvina said that "a poisonous atmosphere" remains.
"What these ordinances do is add tension to the communities," he said. "So a woman in the grocery is talking to her daughter in Spanish. It emboldens the person standing in line behind her to say, 'Hey, speak English.'"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/19043.html
Undocumented Criminals
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Law enforcers struggle with illegal-immigrant crime</font size></center>
By Dave Montgomery
McClatchy Newspapers
Tuesday, September 4, 2007
WASHINGTON — Sheriff Jim Pendergraph first noticed the changes in his jail population early in the decade, as illegal immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries poured into Charlotte and elsewhere in Mecklenburg County, N.C., to find jobs in the robust North Carolina economy.
In Butler County, Ohio, Sheriff Richard K. Jones became so frustrated with the swelling population of undocumented suspects in his jail a couple of years ago that he symbolically billed the federal government for his incarceration costs and posted a big yellow sign near the jail reading: "Illegal aliens here."
Pendergraph and Jones are part of a growing national debate over how to handle undocumented criminals, a debate that's flared anew with the arrest of an illegal immigrant in the execution-style slayings of three college students in New Jersey.
Criminal aliens, as the federal government classifies them, constitute more than a fourth of the inmates in federal prisons. Those still at large often fall between the cracks of an overburdened and uneven enforcement system, escaping detection and deportation.
More than 300,000 criminal aliens are expected to be placed in state and local jails this year, according to a forecast last year by the Department of Homeland Security’s inspector general. Most might remain in this country after serving their sentences because the federal government lacks the resources to identify, detain and deport them, the audit said.
The suspect in the Newark killings, Jose Carranza, is an illegal immigrant from Peru who was out on bond on assault and child-rape charges. Authorities said they were unaware that Carranza was in the country illegally, largely because local policy prohibits officers from questioning suspects about their immigration status.
Newark is one of dozens of cities with "sanctuary" policies designed to keep local law enforcement officers from racially profiling suspects and intimidating immigrant communities, thus making them reluctant to report crimes and cooperate with authorities.
Newark Mayor Cory Booker said local law enforcement shouldn't be trying to determine "whether people are documented or undocumented immigrants." But New Jersey Attorney General Anne Milgram, responding to the uproar over the murders of the three students and the wounding of a fourth, has ordered state and local officers to ask suspects about their immigration status and, if necessary, to notify federal immigration officials.
The Newark case erupted barely two months after Congress abandoned efforts to overhaul immigration laws, bringing new calls from law-and-order conservatives to further safeguard the border and root out lawbreakers among the nation's 12 million or more undocumented aliens.
Pro-immigrant groups and a number of big-city police officials defend sanctuary policies and argue that often-undermanned police departments should concentrate on enforcing state and local laws rather than federal immigration policy.
The Immigration Policy Center, in a study this year, contends that the perception of "immigrant criminality" is greatly exaggerated, noting that crimes by illegal immigrants are proportionately much less than those committed by native-born white males.
But others, including Pendergraph and Jones, say the accused immigrant in Newark is just one example of what they describe as a deeply flawed approach to dealing with criminal aliens.
"Most of them fall between the cracks," Pendergraph said. "How many in this country are arrested daily for serious crimes, and have been convicted of serious crimes before, and nobody has bothered to check on their immigration status? It’s obscene."
Five years ago, about 2 percent of the inmates in the Mecklenburg County lockup were illegal immigrants. Now 21 percent are, around 450 people accused of offenses ranging from minor driving charges to murder, drug dealing and armed robbery.
"It runs the spectrum," Pendergraph said. "There's more of them and they’re getting bolder."
In Oregon, Alejandro Emetrio Rivera Gamboa, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, was convicted twice last year for drunken driving. But immigration authorities didn’t learn of his undocumented status until after he was charged with murdering a 15-year-old girl.
Juan Felix Salinas, another illegal immigrant, was out on bail from a previous arrest when he was charged in a drunken-driving accident that killed a Houston couple and a 2-year-old boy in August.
Jose C. Rivera, an illegal immigrant from Honduras, returned to Charlotte less than a year after he was deported as a convicted felon and was about to be deported again when police charged him with three rapes.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a branch of the Department of Homeland Security, is charged with finding and removing criminal aliens. But ICE officials say they're stretched thin and often hampered by state and local sanctuary policies that limit cooperation.
"Those policies represent a significant problem for ICE," said Deborah Achim, the ICE assistant director for detention and removal operations. "What we hope for is to improve our relationship with these local law-enforcement agencies."
The International Association of the Chiefs of Police, in a recent report, outlined a patchwork of uneven enforcement, saying that some law enforcement agencies welcome a partnership with ICE while others have little or no interest in engaging the federal agency. Others complain that ICE is unable to "respond to their needs" consistently.
The police departments of eight major cities — including Houston, Los Angeles, New York, Seattle and Miami-Dade — said in a joint statement last year that local police can't "even begin to consider dedicating limited local resources to immigration enforcement" until the federal government seals the border.
At the other end of the spectrum are state and local law-enforcement agencies that essentially team up with the federal government to enforce immigration laws under a program known as 287g. The officers undergo federal training and can tap into federal immigration data.
At least a half-dozen states and 26 cities are participating in the program, created by a 1996 immigration law. Pendergraph enlisted Charlotte-Mecklenburg in the program last year to respond to the growing number of undocumented offenders. Of 4,600 foreign-born inmates placed in the jail since May 2006, 2,580 have been put in removal proceedings.
(Fort Worth Star-Telegram researchers Stacy Garcia, Cathy Belcher and Marcia Melton contributed to this article.)
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/19392.html
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By Dave Montgomery
McClatchy Newspapers
Tuesday, September 4, 2007
WASHINGTON — Sheriff Jim Pendergraph first noticed the changes in his jail population early in the decade, as illegal immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries poured into Charlotte and elsewhere in Mecklenburg County, N.C., to find jobs in the robust North Carolina economy.
In Butler County, Ohio, Sheriff Richard K. Jones became so frustrated with the swelling population of undocumented suspects in his jail a couple of years ago that he symbolically billed the federal government for his incarceration costs and posted a big yellow sign near the jail reading: "Illegal aliens here."
Pendergraph and Jones are part of a growing national debate over how to handle undocumented criminals, a debate that's flared anew with the arrest of an illegal immigrant in the execution-style slayings of three college students in New Jersey.
Criminal aliens, as the federal government classifies them, constitute more than a fourth of the inmates in federal prisons. Those still at large often fall between the cracks of an overburdened and uneven enforcement system, escaping detection and deportation.
More than 300,000 criminal aliens are expected to be placed in state and local jails this year, according to a forecast last year by the Department of Homeland Security’s inspector general. Most might remain in this country after serving their sentences because the federal government lacks the resources to identify, detain and deport them, the audit said.
The suspect in the Newark killings, Jose Carranza, is an illegal immigrant from Peru who was out on bond on assault and child-rape charges. Authorities said they were unaware that Carranza was in the country illegally, largely because local policy prohibits officers from questioning suspects about their immigration status.
Newark is one of dozens of cities with "sanctuary" policies designed to keep local law enforcement officers from racially profiling suspects and intimidating immigrant communities, thus making them reluctant to report crimes and cooperate with authorities.
Newark Mayor Cory Booker said local law enforcement shouldn't be trying to determine "whether people are documented or undocumented immigrants." But New Jersey Attorney General Anne Milgram, responding to the uproar over the murders of the three students and the wounding of a fourth, has ordered state and local officers to ask suspects about their immigration status and, if necessary, to notify federal immigration officials.
The Newark case erupted barely two months after Congress abandoned efforts to overhaul immigration laws, bringing new calls from law-and-order conservatives to further safeguard the border and root out lawbreakers among the nation's 12 million or more undocumented aliens.
Pro-immigrant groups and a number of big-city police officials defend sanctuary policies and argue that often-undermanned police departments should concentrate on enforcing state and local laws rather than federal immigration policy.
The Immigration Policy Center, in a study this year, contends that the perception of "immigrant criminality" is greatly exaggerated, noting that crimes by illegal immigrants are proportionately much less than those committed by native-born white males.
But others, including Pendergraph and Jones, say the accused immigrant in Newark is just one example of what they describe as a deeply flawed approach to dealing with criminal aliens.
"Most of them fall between the cracks," Pendergraph said. "How many in this country are arrested daily for serious crimes, and have been convicted of serious crimes before, and nobody has bothered to check on their immigration status? It’s obscene."
Five years ago, about 2 percent of the inmates in the Mecklenburg County lockup were illegal immigrants. Now 21 percent are, around 450 people accused of offenses ranging from minor driving charges to murder, drug dealing and armed robbery.
"It runs the spectrum," Pendergraph said. "There's more of them and they’re getting bolder."
In Oregon, Alejandro Emetrio Rivera Gamboa, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, was convicted twice last year for drunken driving. But immigration authorities didn’t learn of his undocumented status until after he was charged with murdering a 15-year-old girl.
Juan Felix Salinas, another illegal immigrant, was out on bail from a previous arrest when he was charged in a drunken-driving accident that killed a Houston couple and a 2-year-old boy in August.
Jose C. Rivera, an illegal immigrant from Honduras, returned to Charlotte less than a year after he was deported as a convicted felon and was about to be deported again when police charged him with three rapes.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a branch of the Department of Homeland Security, is charged with finding and removing criminal aliens. But ICE officials say they're stretched thin and often hampered by state and local sanctuary policies that limit cooperation.
"Those policies represent a significant problem for ICE," said Deborah Achim, the ICE assistant director for detention and removal operations. "What we hope for is to improve our relationship with these local law-enforcement agencies."
The International Association of the Chiefs of Police, in a recent report, outlined a patchwork of uneven enforcement, saying that some law enforcement agencies welcome a partnership with ICE while others have little or no interest in engaging the federal agency. Others complain that ICE is unable to "respond to their needs" consistently.
The police departments of eight major cities — including Houston, Los Angeles, New York, Seattle and Miami-Dade — said in a joint statement last year that local police can't "even begin to consider dedicating limited local resources to immigration enforcement" until the federal government seals the border.
At the other end of the spectrum are state and local law-enforcement agencies that essentially team up with the federal government to enforce immigration laws under a program known as 287g. The officers undergo federal training and can tap into federal immigration data.
At least a half-dozen states and 26 cities are participating in the program, created by a 1996 immigration law. Pendergraph enlisted Charlotte-Mecklenburg in the program last year to respond to the growing number of undocumented offenders. Of 4,600 foreign-born inmates placed in the jail since May 2006, 2,580 have been put in removal proceedings.
(Fort Worth Star-Telegram researchers Stacy Garcia, Cathy Belcher and Marcia Melton contributed to this article.)
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/19392.html
It could be worse, Mexico could have a European or Japanese type of economy that makes products (autos, aerospace, tech) that can out compete the United States domestically and on their turf. Look at the jobs lost to Japan and Europe in the auto, aerospace, and other industries; the wage cuts the auto workers are taking at the end of their contracts. There is barely any high-end TV made with U.S. company badge no more (Sony, Toshiba, Samsung, Panasonic).
I know Japan have built factories over here, but look at the marketshare lost by the Big Three over the past 40 years. Having somebody from Mexico take a low end job in the U.S. isn't as bad as the alternative.
I know Japan have built factories over here, but look at the marketshare lost by the Big Three over the past 40 years. Having somebody from Mexico take a low end job in the U.S. isn't as bad as the alternative.
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It hurts the soul seeing BS like this.
But, (and I almost can't believe this is coming from me), I have come to the conclusion you have to allow "THOSE PEOPLE" some path to citizenship.
Sure, you hate their ignorance, stupidity, and self-hate, but it's not helping anyone by just kicking them out of the country.
The US, or any country for that matter, needs immigrants to bolster the economy and do the work the citizens refuse.
It's a cliche, but is needed, nonetheless.
Hopefully, their kids won't have the backward attitudes of their parents.
Blacks, African-Americans, Negroes, should take into account that, there are more messicans on welfare, wic, public assistance, illegal aliens & jumpin' boarders, than all of US, combined...
That makes two of us. Illegal immigration needs to stop at any cost.
Mexico shoots people trying to cross into there southern border. We give them welfare, jobs, free education, let them clog our hospitals, etc....
And they have the nerve to bitch about immigration laws. Just plain stupidity.
Illegals, particularly from messico, are emboldened, by the fact that they feel they are needed. Blame it on, greedy people who are willing to pay under the table and hire the illegals. A green card, or a permit to work, in the United States, is like a pass to the front of the line. Where there is demand, there is a limitless amount of illegal aliens, willing to do any work to get a buck, to send back to messico, it's their life's goal...
And the White Democrats that continue to Support Them.
In some cities/states the Illegal Immigrants are allowed to vote........
Then that means you will have to vote straight Republican.....................
But in reality its nothing much we can do to Stop It Cold Turkey...............
A town outside of Washington, DC called Takoma Park, Maryland...........
All you gotta do is Google "Illegal Immigrants allowed to vote", and you'll find links to stories like this:
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/11/07/IMMIGVOTING_1107.html
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Damn homie l.o.l yea you got that shit laid out fam nuff said close the thread now
With out language,borders, and culture there is no country we are watching the death of America right before our eyes the United States is getting Balkinized. Illegal's are the 21st century slaves and they dont understand that, instead of putting all their effort in coming here to the USA maybe they should protest their corrupt governments and march for econimic/civil rights in their country....they have the nerve to come here illegally and ask for American Rights when they broke the Law
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What is the Black position on illegal immigration? What is the white position? Black people are not a monolith. Is the Faux Snooze position the entire position of whites?
sEX IN THE CITY? NOPE CHICKENS IN THE CITY
South L.A. backyards are becoming barnyards
Once predominantly African American, the area has seen an influx of Latino immigrants, along with their roosters, chickens and other barnyard beasts not typically part of the urban scene.
By Jessica Garrison
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
May 25, 2008
When her neighbor's roosters and chickens persisted in running through her yard, G. Stone took matters into her own hands.
She marched next door and issued a warning: Do something about the uninvited guests or the birds "were going in my pot."
The incursions stopped. But Stone, a retired Los Angeles County librarian who lives northwest of Watts, shook her head in exasperation as she recalled the incident.
"I've lived here for 50 years," she said. "All of a sudden, there's an influx of chickens. You're not supposed to have chickens in the city."
For many, the image of South Los Angeles is that of a paved, parched, densely packed urban grid. But increasingly, it is also a place where untold numbers of barnyard animals -- chickens, roosters, goats, geese, ducks, pigs and even the odd pony -- are being tended in tiny backyard spaces.
"Most people don't realize just how many farm animals there are in the city," said Ed Boks, the general manager of the city's Animal Services department.
Indeed, about a block from the beauty parlor where Stone was getting her hair done earlier this month, a pair of goats chewed something dark and unidentifiable as they stood placidly near the traffic whizzing by on Avalon Boulevard. A pit bull next door eyed them lazily.
The cacophony of cock-a-doodle-doos south of the 10 Freeway is one of the louder manifestations of a demographic change that has transformed South Los Angeles in the last few decades.
Once primarily an African American community -- and still the cultural and political heart of the state's African American population -- the area has absorbed tens of thousands of immigrants from Mexico and Central America and is now predominantly Latino. In Southeast L.A., the black population has dropped from 71% in 1980 to 24% in the 2000 census; the Latino population grew from 27% in 1980 to 74% in 2000.
For some folks, the rooster has become a potent symbol of the way their neighborhood is changing.
"Sometimes, I think it's Mexico," said Tony Johnson, who lives in Southeast L.A. He confessed that after being roused early some mornings, he has fantasized about silencing the birds permanently. "Boom. Boom. Boom," he said, pantomiming how he would do it.
But a few blocks away, Jose Luiz, 43, seemed surprised that anyone would be bothered by the noise.
"It's natural to have roosters," he said as he surveyed a new community garden where corn, squash and tomatoes were growing. "I'm Mexican. We are accustomed to hearing them."
Zoning rules prohibit most of this husbandry, but overtaxed animal control officers rarely take action unless they get complaints.
Some of the birds may be being used in cockfighting. But animal control officers say most of the backyard roosters are not implicated in anything so sinister. They are simply part of the household, a hobby and a comfort for immigrants who hope to re-create a little piece of home in a faraway, foreign place.
Still, as deluged city officials and sleep-deprived residents have learned, one person's comfort is another's headache.
"I can't sleep," said Perry Partee, 55, who lives near Watts. He sternly dismissed the conventional wisdom that roosters crow at dawn; in fact, he said, they often get going much earlier.
Animal Services officials say there undoubtedly are more chickens and roosters in long-established Latino communities on the Eastside, such as Boyle Heights and El Sereno, where it is not unheard of to see flocks of the birds running down the sidewalk. But in those neighborhoods many residents are accustomed to, or at least not overly bothered by, the sights and sounds of free-roaming fowl.
In South Los Angeles, on the other hand, the crowing -- and bleating, quacking, honking, oinking and neighing -- has been a growing source of irritation, with callers lighting up city phone lines demanding that officials do something.
Take the recent rooster- related activities near 110th and Avalon.
An 11-year-old boy was chased home from school by a rooster, according to his mother, who did not want his name published.
Around the same time, on the same street, some roosters mysteriously disappeared out of a backyard, according to resident Dwight Johnson, who said the birds' owner walked up and down the street looking for them.
Animal Services Officer Jose Gonzalez, who patrols the southern part of the city, said he's getting around five calls a week about rooster noise. He's also had reports about a pig running down Central Avenue and a man who kept goats in his backyard and posted signs advertising slaughterhouse services.
Boks said Animal Services deals with about 150 reports of unauthorized slaughtering a year.
The rules about keeping animals in Los Angeles are complicated. For the most part, Animal Services officers rely on distance requirements, which vary from animal to animal. Roosters, for example, must be kept in an enclosed pen 20 feet from their owner's house and 100 feet from any neighbor's house. Other chickens, on the other hand, can be 35 feet from a neighbor's house, while horses must maintain a distance of 75 feet.
Because many Los Angeles lots are no larger than 100 feet long, it is physically impossible for many property owners there to legally keep roosters.
Hen-pecked by constituent calls about rooster noise, Los Angeles City Councilwoman Janice Hahn recently proposed limiting each household to one rooster and setting up new procedures to deal with loud birds.
But animal control officers warn that they have a lot on their plates already, including vicious dogs, feral cats and thousands of stray animals crowding shelters, not to mention the occasional snake or bobcat.
The city employs 64 animal control officers to cover some 460 square miles; from May 1, 2007, through April 30, 2008, city shelters took in 628 farm animals, including 345 chickens, 11 goats and five pigs.
Officials vowed to keep studying the issue.
Officers will continue to respond when they get calls, and will investigate if they suspect cockfighting, animal cruelty or, as in the case of the freelance goat slaughterhouse, a health-and-safety issue.
Many residents, such as Stone, who was plagued by her neighbor's birds in her yard, took pains to stress that it was the roosters they deplored, not their owners.
Near where she spoke, the distinctive crow of an unseen bird cut through the noise of a police helicopter and the hum of traffic. Cock-a-doodle-doo, the bird cried. A moment later, a goose honked in response.
jessica.garrison@latimes.com
South L.A. backyards are becoming barnyards
Once predominantly African American, the area has seen an influx of Latino immigrants, along with their roosters, chickens and other barnyard beasts not typically part of the urban scene.
By Jessica Garrison
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
May 25, 2008
When her neighbor's roosters and chickens persisted in running through her yard, G. Stone took matters into her own hands.
She marched next door and issued a warning: Do something about the uninvited guests or the birds "were going in my pot."
The incursions stopped. But Stone, a retired Los Angeles County librarian who lives northwest of Watts, shook her head in exasperation as she recalled the incident.
"I've lived here for 50 years," she said. "All of a sudden, there's an influx of chickens. You're not supposed to have chickens in the city."
For many, the image of South Los Angeles is that of a paved, parched, densely packed urban grid. But increasingly, it is also a place where untold numbers of barnyard animals -- chickens, roosters, goats, geese, ducks, pigs and even the odd pony -- are being tended in tiny backyard spaces.
"Most people don't realize just how many farm animals there are in the city," said Ed Boks, the general manager of the city's Animal Services department.
Indeed, about a block from the beauty parlor where Stone was getting her hair done earlier this month, a pair of goats chewed something dark and unidentifiable as they stood placidly near the traffic whizzing by on Avalon Boulevard. A pit bull next door eyed them lazily.
The cacophony of cock-a-doodle-doos south of the 10 Freeway is one of the louder manifestations of a demographic change that has transformed South Los Angeles in the last few decades.
Once primarily an African American community -- and still the cultural and political heart of the state's African American population -- the area has absorbed tens of thousands of immigrants from Mexico and Central America and is now predominantly Latino. In Southeast L.A., the black population has dropped from 71% in 1980 to 24% in the 2000 census; the Latino population grew from 27% in 1980 to 74% in 2000.
For some folks, the rooster has become a potent symbol of the way their neighborhood is changing.
"Sometimes, I think it's Mexico," said Tony Johnson, who lives in Southeast L.A. He confessed that after being roused early some mornings, he has fantasized about silencing the birds permanently. "Boom. Boom. Boom," he said, pantomiming how he would do it.
But a few blocks away, Jose Luiz, 43, seemed surprised that anyone would be bothered by the noise.
"It's natural to have roosters," he said as he surveyed a new community garden where corn, squash and tomatoes were growing. "I'm Mexican. We are accustomed to hearing them."
Zoning rules prohibit most of this husbandry, but overtaxed animal control officers rarely take action unless they get complaints.
Some of the birds may be being used in cockfighting. But animal control officers say most of the backyard roosters are not implicated in anything so sinister. They are simply part of the household, a hobby and a comfort for immigrants who hope to re-create a little piece of home in a faraway, foreign place.
Still, as deluged city officials and sleep-deprived residents have learned, one person's comfort is another's headache.
"I can't sleep," said Perry Partee, 55, who lives near Watts. He sternly dismissed the conventional wisdom that roosters crow at dawn; in fact, he said, they often get going much earlier.
Animal Services officials say there undoubtedly are more chickens and roosters in long-established Latino communities on the Eastside, such as Boyle Heights and El Sereno, where it is not unheard of to see flocks of the birds running down the sidewalk. But in those neighborhoods many residents are accustomed to, or at least not overly bothered by, the sights and sounds of free-roaming fowl.
In South Los Angeles, on the other hand, the crowing -- and bleating, quacking, honking, oinking and neighing -- has been a growing source of irritation, with callers lighting up city phone lines demanding that officials do something.
Take the recent rooster- related activities near 110th and Avalon.
An 11-year-old boy was chased home from school by a rooster, according to his mother, who did not want his name published.
Around the same time, on the same street, some roosters mysteriously disappeared out of a backyard, according to resident Dwight Johnson, who said the birds' owner walked up and down the street looking for them.
Animal Services Officer Jose Gonzalez, who patrols the southern part of the city, said he's getting around five calls a week about rooster noise. He's also had reports about a pig running down Central Avenue and a man who kept goats in his backyard and posted signs advertising slaughterhouse services.
Boks said Animal Services deals with about 150 reports of unauthorized slaughtering a year.
The rules about keeping animals in Los Angeles are complicated. For the most part, Animal Services officers rely on distance requirements, which vary from animal to animal. Roosters, for example, must be kept in an enclosed pen 20 feet from their owner's house and 100 feet from any neighbor's house. Other chickens, on the other hand, can be 35 feet from a neighbor's house, while horses must maintain a distance of 75 feet.
Because many Los Angeles lots are no larger than 100 feet long, it is physically impossible for many property owners there to legally keep roosters.
Hen-pecked by constituent calls about rooster noise, Los Angeles City Councilwoman Janice Hahn recently proposed limiting each household to one rooster and setting up new procedures to deal with loud birds.
But animal control officers warn that they have a lot on their plates already, including vicious dogs, feral cats and thousands of stray animals crowding shelters, not to mention the occasional snake or bobcat.
The city employs 64 animal control officers to cover some 460 square miles; from May 1, 2007, through April 30, 2008, city shelters took in 628 farm animals, including 345 chickens, 11 goats and five pigs.
Officials vowed to keep studying the issue.
Officers will continue to respond when they get calls, and will investigate if they suspect cockfighting, animal cruelty or, as in the case of the freelance goat slaughterhouse, a health-and-safety issue.
Many residents, such as Stone, who was plagued by her neighbor's birds in her yard, took pains to stress that it was the roosters they deplored, not their owners.
Near where she spoke, the distinctive crow of an unseen bird cut through the noise of a police helicopter and the hum of traffic. Cock-a-doodle-doo, the bird cried. A moment later, a goose honked in response.
jessica.garrison@latimes.com
I know you wrote this a couple yrs ago, Do you still have the same sentiments today?
I think I have some justification for your thoughts.
Not to be funny but when I was in Vegas, I was wonderin' why every other person I met was from LA
http://vdare.com/awall/la_mayor.htm
MEChA is an acronym for "Movimiento Estudiantíl Chicano de Aztlán"--Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan. The goal of Aztlan is the secession of the Southwest U.S.A., which it calls Aztlan. The MEChA Constitution clearly calls for "the struggle for the self-determination of the Chicano people for the purpose of liberating Aztlán". Another key document, "El Plan de Aztlan", states that Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent.... We declare the independence of our mestizo nation...Nationalism as the key to organization transcends all religious, political, class, and economic factions or boundaries. Nationalism is the common denominator that all members of La Raza agree upon.
The MEChA slogan "Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada" (Everything for the Race - Nothing outside the Race) --what is that if not racism? According to Miguel Perez, mechista of Cal State Northridge, "The ultimate ideology is the liberation of Aztlan.... Non-Chicanos would have to be expelled.... opposition groups would have to be quashed because you have to keep the power."
http://www.thelastgringo.com/serend...ives/16-LATINOS-ETHNIC-CLEANSING-IN-L.A..html
"I will say publicly what many people are whispering privately in barbershops, soul food restaurants and church parking lots in South Los Angeles. If relations don't improve between African Americans and Latinos in Southern California, we are headed for a major racial conflict." [ http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-maddox21mar21,0,3806883. Kerman Maddox, African American Summit on Violence Prevention ]
Maddox is talking about Latino gangs who are carrying out ethnic cleansing of blacks from "their " neighborhoods, using various forms of intimidation, including murder. Many blacks have left the inner city and moved to the suburbs for safety. Those left behind are targets of the Mexican Mafia, which has given the "green light" to L.A. Latino gangs, 22,000 strong, to kill blacks.
That actually happens in NYC. There are cases where squatter sneak into a building, stay for more than 30 days and became permanent resident of that building. I remember one couple in Harlem having trouble evicting a person who squatted in their building, took more than 2 years to get him out.
Save Chicago or Kids Coming Across the Border?
Save Chicago or Kids Coming Across the Border?
By Britni Danielle | Takepart.com
8 hours ago
Takepart.com
Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:37:22 PDT
The stories of the more than 52,000 children trapped in overcrowded immigration detention facilities are heartbreaking. Fleeing rampant violence in their native countries, they have trekked across scorching deserts, crossed treacherous rivers, and braved inconceivable horrors to make it to America. But as local governments grapple with the refugee crisis, many African Americans are questioning whether the U.S. should spend billions of dollars to care for these young immigrants.
During the highly publicized protests in Murrieta, Calif., that led to busloads of immigrant children being turned away, a discussion broke out among African American protesters that echoes conversations being had both on- and off-line.
In a clip filmed by Citizen News on July 4, one impassioned African American man asked another, “If somebody brought six children to your house, are you going to try to find out where they came from? Are you going to try to take them back? Or are you going to try to take care of these children and the children you got that you can’t take care of already?”
The second man replied, “I’m going to do whatever I can do to help.”
President Obama seems to be toeing both sides of the debate. While he asked Congress to amend George W. Bush’s William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, to allow for faster deportations, he also requested $3.7 billion to deal with the crisis at the border and invest in Central American nations.
The idea of helping Central American nations deal with the structural problems that drive people to flee sounds great. However, in an editorial for The Root, writer Keli Goff articulated the frustration. “If we are complicit in allowing thousands of additional children to follow them here and remain here, soon we will not be able to provide any resources for Dreamers or any other American children, and that would be irresponsible and un-American.”
Chicago continues to deal with rampant gun violence—more than 60 people were shot during the July 4 weekend—and Oakland, St. Louis, Baltimore, and New Orleans are some of the most dangerous cities in the world. Yet we rarely hear members of Congress vowing to invest billions of dollars to solve problems in urban centers across the country.
Many African Americans are wondering how Congress can cut SNAP assistance, nix long-term unemployment benefits, and throw up its hands when it comes to curbing urban violence but then afford to spend billions of dollars to feed, clothe, house, and possibly educate another country’s children.
Instead of investment in urban communities, we get local governments employing tactics like stop-and-frisk that criminalize being black or Latino in the public square. Instead of eliminating structural inequalities in education, health care, and the justice system, we hear politicians lecture communities of color on needing to develop a solid work ethic and pull themselves up by their bootstraps if they want to succeed.
Immigration activists caution against viewing the situation through an us-versus-them lens.
“We need to realize that black and brown people are both part of the same struggle,” says Luis Serrano of the California Immigrant Youth Justice Alliance. “The rich white man has left us to fight for scraps. Throughout the history of America, the U.S. has gone to great lengths to make sure unity amongst minorities doesn't occur. We need to search our history and find our unity.”
Serrano lays the majority of the blame for the push to divide African Americans from their immigrant brethren on the media but also says the immigrant community needs to do more to forge relationships with other minorities, especially because many Central Americans are of African descent.
“As an immigrant community we have failed to communicate with the black community, especially when we also have black undocumented immigrants,” he says.
The solutions for the current border crisis are as complicated and messy as America’s forays into the countries from which these children are fleeing. Boosting the infrastructure in Central America, decriminalizing drugs in the U.S. to weaken powerful cartels, and investing in communities here at home are just a few steps that may help alleviate the growing unrest on both sides of the border. One thing is for sure: With thousands more kids expected in the coming weeks, the debate is sure to intensify.
http://news.yahoo.com/save-chicago-kids-coming-across-border-223721809.html
Save Chicago or Kids Coming Across the Border?
By Britni Danielle | Takepart.com
8 hours ago
Takepart.com
Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:37:22 PDT
The stories of the more than 52,000 children trapped in overcrowded immigration detention facilities are heartbreaking. Fleeing rampant violence in their native countries, they have trekked across scorching deserts, crossed treacherous rivers, and braved inconceivable horrors to make it to America. But as local governments grapple with the refugee crisis, many African Americans are questioning whether the U.S. should spend billions of dollars to care for these young immigrants.
During the highly publicized protests in Murrieta, Calif., that led to busloads of immigrant children being turned away, a discussion broke out among African American protesters that echoes conversations being had both on- and off-line.
In a clip filmed by Citizen News on July 4, one impassioned African American man asked another, “If somebody brought six children to your house, are you going to try to find out where they came from? Are you going to try to take them back? Or are you going to try to take care of these children and the children you got that you can’t take care of already?”
The second man replied, “I’m going to do whatever I can do to help.”
President Obama seems to be toeing both sides of the debate. While he asked Congress to amend George W. Bush’s William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, to allow for faster deportations, he also requested $3.7 billion to deal with the crisis at the border and invest in Central American nations.
The idea of helping Central American nations deal with the structural problems that drive people to flee sounds great. However, in an editorial for The Root, writer Keli Goff articulated the frustration. “If we are complicit in allowing thousands of additional children to follow them here and remain here, soon we will not be able to provide any resources for Dreamers or any other American children, and that would be irresponsible and un-American.”
Chicago continues to deal with rampant gun violence—more than 60 people were shot during the July 4 weekend—and Oakland, St. Louis, Baltimore, and New Orleans are some of the most dangerous cities in the world. Yet we rarely hear members of Congress vowing to invest billions of dollars to solve problems in urban centers across the country.
Many African Americans are wondering how Congress can cut SNAP assistance, nix long-term unemployment benefits, and throw up its hands when it comes to curbing urban violence but then afford to spend billions of dollars to feed, clothe, house, and possibly educate another country’s children.
Instead of investment in urban communities, we get local governments employing tactics like stop-and-frisk that criminalize being black or Latino in the public square. Instead of eliminating structural inequalities in education, health care, and the justice system, we hear politicians lecture communities of color on needing to develop a solid work ethic and pull themselves up by their bootstraps if they want to succeed.
Immigration activists caution against viewing the situation through an us-versus-them lens.
“We need to realize that black and brown people are both part of the same struggle,” says Luis Serrano of the California Immigrant Youth Justice Alliance. “The rich white man has left us to fight for scraps. Throughout the history of America, the U.S. has gone to great lengths to make sure unity amongst minorities doesn't occur. We need to search our history and find our unity.”
Serrano lays the majority of the blame for the push to divide African Americans from their immigrant brethren on the media but also says the immigrant community needs to do more to forge relationships with other minorities, especially because many Central Americans are of African descent.
“As an immigrant community we have failed to communicate with the black community, especially when we also have black undocumented immigrants,” he says.
The solutions for the current border crisis are as complicated and messy as America’s forays into the countries from which these children are fleeing. Boosting the infrastructure in Central America, decriminalizing drugs in the U.S. to weaken powerful cartels, and investing in communities here at home are just a few steps that may help alleviate the growing unrest on both sides of the border. One thing is for sure: With thousands more kids expected in the coming weeks, the debate is sure to intensify.
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