What Does It Take To Make An Effective Boycott Or Demonstration?

nittie

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Those that were successful weren't sporadic.

QueEx

If you are referring to the 60's boycotts no they weren't sporadic. The Montgomery bus boycott lasted a year and it was accompanied by marches and political activism.
 

nittie

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while i can agree with the spirit of what your saying...i don't think its necessary to have a "black government".

contrary to populr belief black people can and have and are coming together in the positive...its just that the negative is stressed so much thats all we're seeing and being told.

Rather than declarations and holidays we need to assert our political strength and CREATE business opportunities (beyond clothing and liquor)

How do we do that?

I'm not sure Black government is a winning term either but we do need a clear definition of community along with customs and morals. If we had those components it would have a unfying effect throughout the community. There won't be any asserting political strength or business opportunities until we get the basics straight. You can't even form a little league baseball team in this country without the proper paperwork. Here we are a community of 35 million people and we don't even have a common definition of community.
 

geechiedan

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I'm not sure Black government is a winning term either but we do need a clear definition of community along with customs and morals. If we had those components it would have a unfying effect throughout the community. There won't be any asserting political strength or business opportunities until we get the basics straight. You can't even form a little league baseball team in this country without the proper paperwork. Here we are a community of 35 million people and we don't even have a common definition of community.

well we do have a common definition and sense of community but I think of the negative info and images of us in the media and in general have made US beleive that it doesn't exist..

example: Hurricane Katrina...

the media had no problem running with the most negative images and reporting UNSUBSTANTIATED rumors and reports...yet when the final tally was taken it was revealed that there were no rape gangs or bodies stacked in either stadium the evacuees were at. There were no confirmed reports of sniper activity either which means the people (majority black which people didn;t mind stressing when talking about something negative but not positive)were actually helping each other and being civil. But that stuff didn't get reported.

But i believe the backbone of any community is employment and up opportunity for upward mobility..
 

nittie

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well we do have a common definition and sense of community but I think of the negative info and images of us in the media and in general have made US beleive that it doesn't exist..

example: Hurricane Katrina...

the media had no problem running with the most negative images and reporting UNSUBSTANTIATED rumors and reports...yet when the final tally was taken it was revealed that there were no rape gangs or bodies stacked in either stadium the evacuees were at. There were no confirmed reports of sniper activity either which means the people (majority black which people didn;t mind stressing when talking about something negative but not positive)were actually helping each other and being civil. But that stuff didn't get reported.

But i believe the backbone of any community is employment and up opportunity for upward mobility..

I gotta disagree with you on this one, I don't think we have a common definition of community. In a earlier post you mentioned how the Irish moved up in society. They had the benefit of knowing who they were, where they were from and the customs and values of their culture. If someone polled our community half of us probably don't know our grandparents, 25% don't know their father or mother. We don't have the legacy of community like other cultures so everybody in our community probably have a somewhat different definition of community.

That makes us vunerable to images and messages aimed at Black people. When we turn on the tv and see all white shows or read a book with no Black characters, or just deal with the everyday slights and insults from whites it impacts us negativily because we don't have the cultural identity they do.


Organizing our community means taking control of it. For instance, I don't watch a lot of tv but when it's on it is always tuned to BET because at least they have Black people whether I agree with the programming or not. If Blacks had a agenda more people would support Black business or at least not spend as much outside the community. If we knew the ramifications of not voting more of us would vote. To think we behave a certain way because we are oppressed or somehow different than other cultures only empowers the establishment. Truth is people will respond to messages so it is in our best interest to control some of what we see and hear, that is the power of organization.
 

geechiedan

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I gotta disagree with you on this one, I don't think we have a common definition of community. In a earlier post you mentioned how the Irish moved up in society. They had the benefit of knowing who they were, where they were from and the customs and values of their culture. If someone polled our community half of us probably don't know our grandparents, 25% don't know their father or mother. We don't have the legacy of community like other cultures so everybody in our community probably have a somewhat different definition of community.

That makes us vunerable to images and messages aimed at Black people. When we turn on the tv and see all white shows or read a book with no Black characters, or just deal with the everyday slights and insults from whites it impacts us negativily because we don't have the cultural identity they do.

again i disagree with what you're saying it takes to make a community but still agree with the overall gist of your comments..

look at the case of Greenwood in Tulsa OK in the 20s..

http://www.americanheritage.com/pla...kogee-national-baptist-convention.shtml#video

During the oil boom of the 1910s, the area of northeast Oklahoma around Tulsa flourished -— including the Greenwood neighborhood, which came to be known as "the Negro Wall Street" (now commonly referred to as "the Black Wall Street")[1]. The area was home to several prominent black businessmen, many of them multimillionaires.

29 cans of motion picture film dating from the 1920s that reveal the daily lives of some remarkably successful black communities.

The film shows them thriving in the years after the infamous Tulsa Riot of 1921, in which white mobs destroyed that city’s historic black Greenwood district, which was known as the Black Wall Street of America. Through the flickering eloquence of silent film we see a people resilient beyond anyone’s imagining, visiting one another’s country homes, parading through downtown Muskogee in some two dozen Packards, crowding an enormous church in Tulsa not long after the riots, during a gathering of the National Baptist Convention


this was done by the children and grandchildren of the slave generations...where their families were broken up and mixed up and etc..they were able to create a thriving community regardless tho..

we just gotta find a way to get BACK to that..



[/quote]Organizing our community means taking control of it. For instance, I don't watch a lot of tv but when it's on it is always tuned to BET because at least they have Black people whether I agree with the programming or not. If Blacks had a agenda more people would support Black business or at least not spend as much outside the community. If we knew the ramifications of not voting more of us would vote. To think we behave a certain way because we are oppressed or somehow different than other cultures only empowers the establishment. Truth is people will respond to messages so it is in our best interest to control some of what we see and hear, that is the power of organization.[/QUOTE]

no argument there...altho the BET thing is shakey..seeing stereotypes just becuz its black people isn't the best reinforcer for kids or anyone.
 

nittie

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I'm familiar with the Black Wall Street, there was one in almost every city, Harlem use to be the envy of white people because of it's business and cultural diversity. But most of those businesses where shells for Jewish businesspeople, The ones we did own were totally dependent on Jewish patronage and Blacks couldn't go to white owned businesses without risking death so we had to support Black business. It's a different world today, if we are going to see that kind of community again we are going to have to build it from the ground up.
 

geechiedan

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I'm familiar with the Black Wall Street, there was one in almost every city, Harlem use to be the envy of white people because of it's business and cultural diversity. But most of those businesses where shells for Jewish businesspeople, The ones we did own were totally dependent on Jewish patronage and Blacks couldn't go to white owned businesses without risking death so we had to support Black business. It's a different world today, if we are going to see that kind of community again we are going to have to build it from the ground up.

but i don't think there is any people of color (i hate the term minority) businesses thats wholly dependant upon their own people in terms of patronage...look at the indian casinos for example..seeing as how indians are just as fucked over as black people..

The point is tho that those black businesses and communities were thriving until jealous whites destroyed them.

but here's a question i don;t think we've considered..

are there any TRULY independent minority industries in this country..asian, latino, etc..(not jewish since they can easily pass)
 

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nittie

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but i don't think there is any people of color (i hate the term minority) businesses thats wholly dependant upon their own people in terms of patronage...look at the indian casinos for example..seeing as how indians are just as fucked over as black people..

The point is tho that those black businesses and communities were thriving until jealous whites destroyed them.

but here's a question i don;t think we've considered..

are there any TRULY independent minority industries in this country..asian, latino, etc..(not jewish since they can easily pass)


This is a very complex issue. During those times Blacks had service oriented businesses but America was in the 'Industial age' so real wealth was with the industrialist and we were locked out because we couldn't get the financing or support to compete. At that time people like Booker T Washington was urging Blacks to concentrate on skills that allowed us to service and supply the community. Others favored academic training so we could be better educated. What happened was we didn't have the diversity to adapt to de-segregation, most of us were able to teach or service but not supply. It wasn't until the Dave Bing's and Reggie Lewis's appeared that we started thinking about supplying our community but then America was going into the 'Information Age". So to answer your question about are there truly independent businesses I would say yes there are. White corporations have their cake and eat it too. They take from us and don't give anything back. It's 2007 and we are still the last hired and first fired. It goes back to the title of this post, 'What does it take to have a efective boycott" our "Culture" is boycotted by other cultures, we buy from them but they don't buy from us. Basically we are embargoed and our community destabilized, in order to change that we have to organize our comunity so we can compete culturally not just independently.
 

QueEx

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Justice March on Washington Nov. 16

by Hazel Trice Edney
NNPA Editor-in-chief
November 10, 2007

WASHINGTON (NNPA)

– The march against infamous talk star Don Imus in New York;

- The march for the Jena Six in Louisiana;

- The march to support torture victim Megan Williams in West Virginia;

- Marches against injustices in communities around the nation; and

- AND NOW, yet another national march on the U. S. Department of Justice is Nov. 16.

Particularly over the past year, the number of justice related marches appears to have doubled, perhaps even tripled in response to civil rights cases.

With yet another march planned in Washington, D.C., organizers blame inactivity for America’s escalating race problem and says it’s time to catch up.

“I think the problem has been that we’ve not had enough activity,” says the Rev. Al Sharpton, among the foremost march leaders in the nation. “The pressure has to be put to bear where there is results…The only way that we can get some relief - whether it’s West Virginia with Megan Williams, whether it’s Florida with Martin Lee Anderson, or whether it’s Jena or these hangman’s nooses everywhere - is to force the federal government to do what it's done since the days of Dwight Eisenhower, and that is to intervene.”

Referring to Eisenhower, Sharpton was talking about the 1957 case in which nine Black students received National Guard protection against violence when they went to integrate all White Central High School in Little Rock, Ark. Then President Eisenhower federalized state National Guard troops. In like manner, the U. S. Department of Justice can also intervene when civil rights and criminal justice laws are being ignored by states.

That is the purpose and march of Friday's march and rally from noon until 2 p.m. at the Justice Department, says Sharpton in a statement.

“The rally is a cornerstone of the Fall Campaign for Justice which originated as a result of the alarming number of hate crimes and instances of injustice occurring across the country from a noose hanging at Columbia University and swastikas appearing on synagogues in New York, to the Jena 6 in Louisiana. The unprecedented number of incidents of bigotry cannot be allowed to continue and it is time for the federal government to step in and intervene,” the statement says.

The march is being organized by Sharpton’s National Action Network, Martin Luther King III and his Realizing the Dream, Charles Steele and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference as well as radio hosts Steve Harvey, Warren Ballantine, Michael Baisden, and members of the Nation of Islam.

Sharpton says this is an extension of the Sept. 20 march for the Jena Six teens who were charged with assault on a White classmate related to a “White Tree” and hangman’s nooses. Yet, the focus is new, he says.

“We have not marched on the Justice Department. We have not put the pressure on them. This will be the first time we will put the pressure on them. And we did it strategically after having the Judiciary hearing where Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers put on the record their lack of involvement,” Sharpton says.
The Rev. Jesse Jackson, perhaps America’s number one march leader, once described marching as among the most proven methods of protest. It not only pressures those responsible for correcting injustices, but inspires and reinvigorates protestors to continue fighting, he said in an NNPA interview.

He pointed to the 1963 March on Washington, which led to President Johnson’s signing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act less than a year later and the “Bloody Sunday” march of 1965 that led to Johnson’s signing of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

There have also been successes in recent years due to protests, says Sharpton. He points to the federal investigation into the 2001 police torture of Abner Louima in New York and the firing of talk show Host Don Imus earlier this spring for racist remarks about the Rutgers University women’s basketball team.

“It’s not just the activity. It has to have a strategy of knowing where to hit,” says Sharpton. “The people who can solve these problems of hangman’s nooses and of hate attacks is the Justice Department…You’ve got to force the Justice Department to prosecute and incarcerate some people because that will stop this over night.”

Steele, president of the SCLC, agrees with Sharpton that after the 1968 death of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., protests and marches subsided and became more sporadic than consistent.
“We left the streets and went to the suites. That’s a part of our problem,” Steele says. “We became complacent.
And so, it’s another learning experience to know that we should never leave the streets. We should always be within the streets in terms of our survival, conveying the message of justice and equality concerning all of God’s children.”

The protesting - in some form - must be more consistent than ever, Steele says: “Every day, every day, we must fight for our freedom. Dr. King says it will be either non-violence or non-existence. That’s why we must march on a continuous basis.”

http://www.blackpressusa.com/News/Article.asp?SID=3&Title=Hot+Stories&NewsID=14571
 

QueEx

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Re: A Call for all African-americans to Participate in National Black Out Day!

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geechiedan

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i'm reviving this thread in light of the sean bell case and aftermath..

al sharpton said something very interesting..he said that the marches of the 60s were effective ONLY because there were people in the whitehouse willing to listen and do something about.

Today that obviously isn't the case...so how effective can marches be now?
 

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i'm reviving this thread in light of the sean bell case and aftermath..

al sharpton said something very interesting..he said that the marches of the 60s were effective ONLY because there were people in the whitehouse willing to listen and do something about.

Today that obviously isn't the case...so how effective can marches be now?

Hilarious.
 

MCP

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There could be a case for a economic boycott, if effectively strategized and implemented.
 

QueEx

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What does it take for boycott/demonstration to be successful?

. . . learn that 193,000 + people have died of a virus that the President has said . . . "the virus was "going to disappear" and "all work out fine."

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