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FDIC girds for bank failures
By Matt Jacobs

February 26, 2008


In the face of growing volatility and uncertainty in the market, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. is strengthening its ranks in preparation for the possibility of failing financial institutions, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The FDIC will seek to rehire 25 of its own retired members, many of whom specialize in bank closings and who dealt with such matters in the the 1980s and 1990s.


The agency now employs 233 people, mainly based in Dallas.
The agency is also searching for a company experienced in bank closings to assist them: On Sunday the FDIC ran a newspaper ad seeking a company that could deal with mortgages and student loans in the event of a bank failure.




http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080226/REG/802566081


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You really do this for dramatic effect, don't you?







Electronic Deposit Insurance Estimator (EDIE)
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Welcome to the FDIC's Electronic Deposit Insurance Estimator (EDIE). EDIE is an interactive application that can help you learn about deposit insurance. It allows you to calculate the insurance coverage of your accounts at each FDIC-insured institution.

The FDIC protects you against the loss of your insured deposits in the unlikely event that an FDIC-Insured Institution fails. If you or your family's deposit accounts at one FDIC-Insured Institution total $100,000 or less, your deposits are fully insured. If you or your family has more than $100,000 at one insured institution, you can still be fully insured if your accounts meet certain requirements. You can use EDIE to determine your insurance coverage beyond the basic $100,000 amount.

Note: Federal law provides up to $250,000 in insurance coverage for deposits held in Individual Retirement Accounts (IRAs).


Getting Started with EDIE: Before you begin, be sure that you have assembled the following current information about all of your deposit accounts at an FDIC-Insured Institution: Account Balance, Name of Owner(s), and Name of Beneficiary(ies) for Personal Accounts and Account Balance, Business Name and Employer Identification Number (EIN#) for Business Accounts.

IMPORTANT: EDIE can calculate the insurance coverage of up to 40 accounts per Account Group, including Single, IRA, Joint, Trust, and Business accounts. If your account group contains more than 40 accounts click on the Deposit Insurance Information button below for additional information, or use the Customer Assistance link at the bottom of the page to contact the FDIC for assistance in determining your insurance coverage.

If this is your first time using EDIE, or if you prefer a step-by-step approach, click on Walk Me Through. If you are a more advanced computer user or have used EDIE before, you may prefer to click on Go to Calculator. For more information on deposit insurance, click on Deposit Insurance Information. If you need assistance, click on Page Help.




Note: Information entered in EDIE is only used to generate a personal report of the insurance coverage of your deposit accounts. Your information will not be saved upon exiting EDIE.
Last Updated 12/31/2007 Customer Assistance
 
Thanks...these Chicken George reports are a bit "irresponsible"...thanks for "balancing" it...

You really do this for dramatic effect, don't you?







Electronic Deposit Insurance Estimator (EDIE)
FDIC Home > EDIE Home
Welcome to the FDIC's Electronic Deposit Insurance Estimator (EDIE). EDIE is an interactive application that can help you learn about deposit insurance. It allows you to calculate the insurance coverage of your accounts at each FDIC-insured institution.

The FDIC protects you against the loss of your insured deposits in the unlikely event that an FDIC-Insured Institution fails. If you or your family's deposit accounts at one FDIC-Insured Institution total $100,000 or less, your deposits are fully insured. If you or your family has more than $100,000 at one insured institution, you can still be fully insured if your accounts meet certain requirements. You can use EDIE to determine your insurance coverage beyond the basic $100,000 amount.

Note: Federal law provides up to $250,000 in insurance coverage for deposits held in Individual Retirement Accounts (IRAs).


Getting Started with EDIE: Before you begin, be sure that you have assembled the following current information about all of your deposit accounts at an FDIC-Insured Institution: Account Balance, Name of Owner(s), and Name of Beneficiary(ies) for Personal Accounts and Account Balance, Business Name and Employer Identification Number (EIN#) for Business Accounts.

IMPORTANT: EDIE can calculate the insurance coverage of up to 40 accounts per Account Group, including Single, IRA, Joint, Trust, and Business accounts. If your account group contains more than 40 accounts click on the Deposit Insurance Information button below for additional information, or use the Customer Assistance link at the bottom of the page to contact the FDIC for assistance in determining your insurance coverage.

If this is your first time using EDIE, or if you prefer a step-by-step approach, click on Walk Me Through. If you are a more advanced computer user or have used EDIE before, you may prefer to click on Go to Calculator. For more information on deposit insurance, click on Deposit Insurance Information. If you need assistance, click on Page Help.




Note: Information entered in EDIE is only used to generate a personal report of the insurance coverage of your deposit accounts. Your information will not be saved upon exiting EDIE.
Last Updated 12/31/2007 Customer Assistance
 
I trust no bank and who says the FDIC is not going to fail? What are you going to do then?
 
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Sp Harbinger, you are saying that Banking Insurance cannot be depleted???


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FDIC Girds For Bank Failures

Debra Borchardt

02/26/08 - 04:16 PM EST
Shaky loan portfolios continue to darken the landscape for the nation's banks, as federal regulators prepare for the possibility of an uptick in failures of financial institutions, according to recent government reports.


A record-high $31.3 billion set aside by banks for loan losses, record trading losses and goodwill expenses dragged down fourth-quarter net incomes of insured banks to a 16-year low, according to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.'s quarterly banking profile released Tuesday.



The cumulative increase to loan-loss provisions was the largest increase in 20 years.


The FDIC report comes on the heels of study from the Government Accountability Office made public last week, which found the FDIC recorded an estimated liability of $124 million at the end of 2007 for the anticipated failure of some insured institutions and also identified potential losses of $1.7 billion should vulnerable insured institutions also fail.


All of this is happening as the FDIC, established during the Great Depression to provide a backstop to depositors during a rash of bank failures, solicits banks' input on ways to accomplish as orderly a wind-down as possible in the event of a major bank's demise.


The FDIC sent a notice out to banks requesting their ideas last month.


"The notion that a bank is too big to fail shouldn't be out there," says Jim Marino, of the FDIC's Division of Resolutions and Receiverships.





The grim picture for banks was reiterated by FDIC's report Tuesday.



It noted that non-current loans exceeded reserves for first time since 1993.

Loans that are 90 days past due, jumped 32.5% to $26.9 billion, the single-largest increase in a quarter in 24 years.

The only loan category with an improving picture was farm loans, no doubt aided by soaring commodity prices.





The fourth quarter was notable for several other firsts and record-breaking numbers.



Trading losses came to $10.6 billion, making this the first quarter the industry has ever reported a net trading loss.



Less than half of the insured banks reported improved earnings for 2007, making this the first time in 23 years that a majority of the banks have not posted earnings increases.



It's also the first time since the mid-1970s that non-interest income has declined.



On a positive note, domestic deposits rose to $170.6 billion, the largest quarterly increase.



But the bad news is that the industry's ratio of deposits to total assets hit an all-time low.





While no major banks have yet failed in the current crisis, some big names have experienced significant troubles.

Washington Mutual WM is one national bank that has been particularly hard hit by poor mortgage and other loans.



WaMu cut its dividend and set aside $1.5 billion in the fourth quarter to cushion against greater delinquencies on subprime mortgages and home-equity loans.



A number of regional banks, like National City NCC and KeyCorp KEY also recently increased loan-loss provisions.





"The problems are in all categories, and given the thin coverage of the banking system for such losses, rising charge-offs and loan loss reserves are likely to bite deeply into earnings," wrote John Hussman in a September market comment for Hussman Funds.





FDIC spokesman David Barr pointed out that even as assets increase, the agency is restricted in its ability to get more income for the Depository Insurance Fund (DIF).



The DIF is administered by the FDIC and is funded through investments and payments by insured banks.


The payment is calculated both on the balance of deposits as well as on the degree of risk posed to the insurance fund.

However, Congress sets the ratio level and even though it was raised last year to 1.25, the current level of reserves to insured deposits is only at 1.22. In 2006, it was 1.32.


"Ninety percent of the banks haven't been paying in because the reserve ratio isn't low enough," he said.


"Congress increased the number last year, but exempted older banks. We're restricted to income on Treasuries."


So the FDIC is going to be hitting up banks for more money at a time when many can least afford it.

The goal for the DIF ratio is to be at 1.25 by 2009. "The number of problem banks is increasing, but still historically low," Barr said. "However, the assets are increasing."


A rise in bank failures exemplifies the burgeoning problem.



Douglas National Bank in Missouri failed in January and the three banks that failed in 2007.



The FDIC's Marino said that typically three to six banks fail each year, but there were no bank failures during 2005 and 2006, when banks were raking in fees for loans.


Last month, the FDIC issued a two-part Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, seeking comments related to the potential failure of large insured depository institutions.

Marino has been working on this project for two years.





When a bank fails, the FDIC has to be able to look at all the accounts of a depositor and figure out how much is insured.



"Banks do not know the insurance status of their customers, nor do they really care," Marino said. "What we're saying to larger institutions is that you're going to have to help us out."


Marino said banks with regulatory problems typically used to fail on a Friday, allowing the FDIC to step in and sort But with liquidity issues, failures can come at any time.



Moreover, electronic banking leads to a lot of nightly processing, so it's usually not until 4 a.m. in the morning that the FDIC gets a glimpse of the balances.


The proposed rule the FDIC is considering would require the largest institutions to modify their deposit systems so that the FDIC could calculate deposit insurance coverage quickly in the event of failure.


Today's trouble in the banking sector has a long way to go before it rivals the Depression, when 4,000 banks failed. But the symptoms then were similar: banks were bogged down with foreclosures and left with unsalable assets.

The banks struggled with liquidity issues, which the Federal Reserve did little to help.
Today's Feds bending over backwards to create liquidity. Just last month when the Fed's own reports noted that banking reserves had gone into negative territory, the Fed stressed that by making short-term liquidity available through its term auction facility, the banks would have plenty of money. But that money is achieved through loans and not real capital.


Hussmann in September observed that reserves had fallen to their lowest level relative to non-current loans since the third quarter of 2002 and non-current loans experienced the largest uptick since the fourth quarter of 1990 -- representing the last two notable economic downturns.


"Recall that 1990 and 2002 were periods when recessions were already well underway," he wrote. "If we're already seeing these signs of credit stress at the peak of an economic expansion, the figures we observe in a recession are likely to be a lot worse."






http://www.thestreet.com/s/fdic-girds-for-bank-failures/newsanalysis/banking/10405078.html
 
I trust no bank and who says the FDIC is not going to fail? What are you going to do then?

Then you have an IOU. But the point is, is there is recourse for this, and it's out of your control, and to worry is just going to give you grey hair, or high blood pressure or both.
 
Sp Harbinger, you are saying that Banking Insurance cannot be depleted???


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No I'm not. But even if this HIGHLY unlikely scenario were to occur, you have an IOU, which is all paper money is in the first place, a NOTE from the Federal Reserve.
 
No I'm not. But even if this HIGHLY unlikely scenario were to occur, you have an IOU, which is all paper money is in the first place, a NOTE from the Federal Reserve.



And his IOU is based on the US dollar which is declining in value?

Correct?


It may be a way of preventing a run on the banks i.e people pulling their money out, correct?

If you can't take out your money it means you can't convert it to any other currency, correct?

So at the end of the day all you may end up with is a worthless piece of paper with ink on it, correct?


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Then you have an IOU. But the point is, is there is recourse for this, and it's out of your control, and to worry is just going to give you grey hair, or high blood pressure or both.

I don't worry about it at all cause I don't deal with them ;)
 
Banks failing is not a bad thing. It culls the wheat from the chaff. This is mainly fallout from the poor decision making in this subprime/prime mess. These banks need to go under, just as the investors who solicited these type of loans from these banks and mortgage companies need to suffer.

Some sort of inflationary event happens every 10-15 years, it's cyclical, and I'm sure it's tied to our government houses being all republican or democratic.

It doesn't make sense to buy "Euros" or another currency if you live here, even as an investment (unless your institutional) because you can't spend it here, and the dollar WILL rebound, and which point your foreign currency loses value.

Just be patient, and ride it out. Worrying about something you can't control isn't going to help you.
 
And his IOU is based on the US dollar which is declining in value?

Correct?


It may be a way of preventing a run on the banks i.e people pulling their money out, correct?

If you can't take out your money it means you can't convert it to any other currency, correct?

So at the end of the day all you may end up with is a worthless piece of paper with ink on it, correct?


:cool:

That's all you have to begin with anyway. Your paper dollars are NOTES guaranteed by the Fed.

The point is, you really have no control, and buying foreign currency at todays values with the idea that the dollar will be worthless IN THIS COUNTRY, just doesn't make any sense.
 
Banks failing is not a bad thing. It culls the wheat from the chaff. This is mainly fallout from the poor decision making in this subprime/prime mess. These banks need to go under, just as the investors who solicited these type of loans from these banks and mortgage companies need to suffer.

Some sort of inflationary event happens every 10-15 years, it's cyclical, and I'm sure it's tied to our government houses being all republican or democratic.

It doesn't make sense to buy "Euros" or another currency if you live here, even as an investment (unless your institutional) because you can't spend it here, and the dollar WILL rebound, and which point your foreign currency loses value.

Just be patient, and ride it out. Worrying about something you can't control isn't going to help you.



I don't understand your rationale.


Hold on the something that is declining in value until it hits the bottom and then hopes it rebounds to the original level in your lifetime????




Why can't people convert to Euros while the US dollar is going down and then re-convert to US when the dollar is on the way back up???


You are talking in simple terms.


People make money when stocks go up and when stocks go down (shorting).

Why hold on to a declining asset???




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Sell the shit when it it declining and buy when it is going back up.........
 
That's all you have to begin with anyway. Your paper dollars are NOTES guaranteed by the Fed.

The point is, you really have no control, and
buying foreign currency at todays values with the idea that the dollar will be worthless IN THIS COUNTRY, just doesn't make any sense.




Making statement and not backing them up is a sign of laziness.

Big fonts doesn't make it believable.............


:cool:




Latin American currencies also surged this week, with Brazil's real reaching the highest in almost nine years.





Buffett's Currency Investments


Billionaire investor Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc. said yesterday its only ``direct'' currency investment last year was in the real against the dollar.
Direct currency positions generated $2.3 billion of pretax profits over the past five years, the company said.


``We will attempt to further increase our stream of direct and indirect foreign earnings,'' the Omaha, Nebraska-based company said in its annual report.




http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=af8Cqcf10WcY&refer=home
 
I don't understand your rationale.


Hold on the something that is declining in value until it hits the bottom and then hopes it rebounds to the original level in your lifetime????




Why can't people convert to Euros while the US dollar is going down and then re-convert to US when the dollar is on the way back up???


You are talking in simple terms.


People make money when stocks go up and when stocks go down (shorting).

Why hold on to a declining asset???




:confused::confused::confused:


Sell the shit when it it declining and buy when it is going back up.........

I'm talking about the 99% of the population that thinks shorting is when you don't pay your whole bill.

See the problem is, the dollars you use to live on aren't an asset, they are not a commodity you trade.

As for buyings Euros as an investment now, it would only pay if the dollar continues to fall, and you'd have to buy a hell of a lot of it to make any money after capital gains taxes, to make it worth your while. It's a little like a 3% savings account, is it really worth it to $30 bucks on a $1,000 and then have to give potentially $10-$12 back in the form of income tax? For me personally $18-20 just ain't worth it.

And with buying foreign currency you stand to lose more than you stand to gain, unless your a lucky ass day trader.
 
Making statement and not backing them up is a sign of laziness.

Big fonts doesn't make it believable.............


:cool:




Latin American currencies also surged this week, with Brazil's real reaching the highest in almost nine years.





Buffett's Currency Investments


Billionaire investor Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc. said yesterday its only ``direct'' currency investment last year was in the real against the dollar.
Direct currency positions generated $2.3 billion of pretax profits over the past five years, the company said.


``We will attempt to further increase our stream of direct and indirect foreign earnings,'' the Omaha, Nebraska-based company said in its annual report.





http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=af8Cqcf10WcY&refer=home

Okay, as far as Buffett goes, he's dealing with billions of dollars so even a 20 basis point move makes millions. This does not apply to the vast, VAST majority of people.

Now the value of your dollar in THIS COUNTRY (caps used for emphasis, not for efficacy) remains the same. If its value increased we likely wouldn't have inflation.


This whole process gets very convoluted, and yes, I make simple, so people don't get confused by all the detail, but back to your original topic, as long as you live here, and your money is backed by a federal guarantee, you're not gonna lose your money.
 
I'm talking about the 99% of the population that thinks shorting is when you don't pay your whole bill.

See the problem is, the dollars you use to live on aren't an asset, they are not a commodity you trade.

As for buyings Euros as an investment now, it would only pay if the dollar continues to fall, and you'd have to buy a hell of a lot of it to make any money after capital gains taxes, to make it worth your while. It's a little like a 3% savings account, is it really worth it to $30 bucks on a $1,000 and then have to give potentially $10-$12 back in the form of income tax? For me personally $18-20 just ain't worth it.

And with buying foreign currency you stand to lose more than you stand to gain, unless your a lucky ass day trader.


When you use such large fonts, it makes it difficult to quote you.

Could you please not use such large fonts for every word? (2 shows up fine

Thanks.


Your example:


It's a little like a 3% savings account, is it really worth it to $30 bucks on a $1,000 and then have to give potentially $10-$12 back in the form of income tax? For me personally $18-20 just ain't worth it.




You neglected to factor in the cost of inflation.

That $1000 dollars in a savings account for a year CANNOT buy the same quantity of goods as when it was put into the saving account.

Agreed???


So in real terms, your buying power will decrease.

How do you offset that? By ensureing your investment % increase is larger than the inflation % increase.


So provided the 3% > inflation%, you would have won.


$18-$20 gain as opposed to ($1000 - loss of buying power)
 
When you use such large fonts, it makes it difficult to quote you.

Could you please not use such large fonts for every word? (2 shows up fine

Thanks.


Your example:


It's a little like a 3% savings account, is it really worth it to $30 bucks on a $1,000 and then have to give potentially $10-$12 back in the form of income tax? For me personally $18-20 just ain't worth it.




You neglected to factor in the cost of inflation.

That $1000 dollars in a savings account for a year CANNOT buy the same quantity of goods as when it was put into the saving account.

Agreed???


So in real terms, your buying power will decrease.

How do you offset that? By ensureing your investment % increase is larger than the inflation % increase.


So provided the 3% > inflation%, you would have won.


$18-$20 gain as opposed to ($1000 - loss of buying power)

In a macro view, you are absolutely correct. This is much like buying in bulk at the wholesale club to save some money, and this would be the Warren Buffett's of the world.

I'm talking about just the average person/family, and even IF they had the money to invest to begin with, it's not really worth tying up those funds to make what is relatively immaterial.

And using your 3% > inflation statement, you have to remember that along with the inflationary effect on the money, there is a correlation effect on the goods or services that you couldn't buy originally because the funds were tied up, that you now are paying a higher price for. This is why I continue to say, it's not really worth the hassle.

Size 2, just for you.
 
In a macro view, you are absolutely correct. This is much like buying in bulk at the wholesale club to save some money, and this would be the Warren Buffett's of the world.

I'm talking about just the average person/family, and even IF they had the money to invest to begin with, it's not really worth tying up those funds to make what is relatively immaterial.

And using your 3% > inflation statement, you have to remember that along with the inflationary effect on the money, there is a correlation effect on the goods or services that you couldn't buy originally because the funds were tied up, that you now are paying a higher price for. This is why I continue to say, it's not really worth the hassle.

Size 2, just for you.


thanks for the font change, lol


I mean it is still up to individuals to make the choice of doing nothing or doing something to gain a little.



:cool:

Nice convo............

;)
 
I told the board on a similar thread that the government is slowly setting up the banks to fail so they can change the currency to the Amero which is set to be the main currency in 2011. The FDIC cannot pay every investor 100k if all banks fail, especially if the value of the dollar falls to near nothing. Start putting your money in non liquid assets like real estate while you can because when the shit hits the fan, the only thing that gonna be worth anything is land and real estate. Donald Trump and several other multimillionaires have all stated this same thing and they are moving their liquid assets off shore and buying real estate like crazy. To quote the movie Titanic, "when the ship is sinking, follow the rats to safety".
 
Suppose you had money at the bank, but invested in stocks and the bank goes broke. What would happen in that situation ?
 
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