WARNING: BGOL fam, maybe Acur is right, we should all stop downloading Music!!!
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who is this cat?
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Keep on hating. At least you contributed to the thread. Good looking Sir. oNe!!!
Actually, what is the exact law? I mean, isn't illegal to possess stolen property? A pirated copy of an album could be considered "stolen property" couldn't it? Unless you could prove you have the original copy. Just sayingWhen it comes to child porn, thy go after the guys who download and the guys who share cause its illegal to have those types of pictures. Not comparing music to child porn. just comparing the legality of illegal vs legal downloads.
no they would have to prove that what you have is stolen. how they do this is when they catch you in the p2p arena or wahtever software is used to share music.
child porn is a different case in respect to what you have on your drive. my point is the proof is on them, not me. it isn't pirated if you cant prove it therefore its not stolen
black is right in regards to sharing
Actually, what is the exact law? I mean, isn't illegal to possess stolen property? A pirated copy of an album could be considered "stolen property" couldn't it? Unless you could prove you have the original copy. Just saying
You have to understand the situation.
No law enforcement agency wants to waste time on a small fry, unless that small fry is doing something extreme *ie downloading child porn*. They do not take the music industry seriously anyway. That's why they are limiting their efforts to the sharing community. Not to mention, the big people who are sharing will never get caught. Only because, some of these share sites have been earmarked by various artist on the low anyway. Think about it, look at how the record companies treat some of their artist. If you was treated like shit, wouldn't you rebel?
Actually, what is the exact law? I mean, isn't illegal to possess stolen property? A pirated copy of an album could be considered "stolen property" couldn't it? Unless you could prove you have the original copy. Just saying
Therein lies the crux; if people didn't share, there'd be no way to download music for free. You can change your settings in free download sites to not share any of your music, but other users can block users that don't share from downloading anything from their music list. Anectode-wise, from what I read, it seems like the only people that get caught and sued for sharing are people that share popular music or music from bands that have specifically spoken out against illegal sharing (like Metallica).
In Canada, for example, downloading copyright music from peer-to-peer networks is legal, but uploading those files is not. Additionally Canada has imposed fees on recording mediums like blank CDs and similar items. These levies are used to fund musicians and songwriters for revenues lost due to consumer copying. Canada has initially charged this tax on MP3 players, but a recent Supreme Court decision ruled that the law was written in such a way that these players were exempt from the tax.
The U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act (Link to the law that was created in 1998 http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf) is much more strict and deems copying of copyrighted music (with the exception of making a copy for your own use) as illegal. The U.S. Code protects copyright owners from the unauthorized reproduction, adaptation or distribution of sound recordings, as well as certain digital performances to the public. In more general terms, it is considered legal for you to purchase a music CD and record (rip) it to MP3 files for your own use. Uploading these files via peer-to-peer networks would constitute a breach of the law.
Damn, what is it with cats on BGOL? This post is about sharing/downloading music and money getting fined. Why are cats so concerned about my status?
a yo, slow that shit down par..I can care less about your "status", I'm asking a question for my own edification. you gettin mad cause someone asked a question that is off topic?
stop takin the message board so seriously kid..
Thanks for the constructive information Sir. oNe!!!
giganews as a host server and newsbin pro as you app client. been using it for almost 4 years. best investment i made as far as downloading go.
besides allot of things like movies, games and apps., come from newsgroups. then people download it from there them put it on warez sites.
if you don't have acur on ignore after all this time, yo azz is suspect 
Actually, what is the exact law? I mean, isn't illegal to possess stolen property? A pirated copy of an album could be considered "stolen property" couldn't it? Unless you could prove you have the original copy. Just saying
Well for starters, a person cannot purchase the right to view child pornography as it illegal in any form. So downloading is as criminal as distributing.
As for illegal possession of music, that can be debated? Can it be possession of stolen property if I legally purchased the right to have it? There is no way to prove that I did not purchase the right to listen to a particular CD. Who still has a receipt? If I purchase the right to listen, I have the right to listen whenever and however I choose (the license allows for this). If I download an MP3 version for my player and also have the right to listen, what law have I broken? I actually know people who do this as they do not know how to rip a CD they legally purchased. Thus, not every downloader can be presumed guilty. This makes prosecution next to impossible.
newsgroups are on point fam. i have NEVER and i mean never gotten a virus from newsgroups and i been in that game since the early part of this decade. im not saying they dont exist, they probably do, but my downloads have been as pure as can be. usually ripped from source and uploaded straight to newsgroups i subscribed to.
newsgroups are also king for flac and lossless files and original iso files (software, movies, etc)
the thing with newsgroups which people dont usually do is making requests. take advantage of the request optoin and make requests if you want something. it gets filled and its usually good quality. the heavy hitters who upload to newsgroups have terabytes of shit.
i applaud newsgroups every chance i get
Downloading and SHARING. Y'all niggas still don't get it.
hits nail on the head
the only time acur is right is when he is sleeping and even then.....
nobody downloads nothing.... we all own the files in its format, because it is a totally different entity then its original format.
mp3s are so watered down from its original version that it cant even be compared sound qaulity wise.
anyway its like lending someone that book that you took out from the library so they can enjoy it also..
cyberspace the way life is supposed to be lived.
nobody downloads nothing.... we all own the files in its format, because it is a totally different entity then its original format.
mp3s are so watered down from its original version that it cant even be compared sound qaulity wise.
anyway its like lending someone that book that you took out from the library so they can enjoy it also..
cyberspace the way life is supposed to be lived.
What's ironic about this issue is that the music industry never frowned harder on stolen or bootlegged music until their sales plummetted. They can blame the media and technology for that.
How popular was napster until the media made their lawsuit household news? Folks copied music from different outlets before. But people grew bored of copying vinyl to cassette, cassette to casette, CD to cassette.
CDs are too expensive retailwise to continue buying music over and over again. Plus refurnishing vinyls, cassettes or CDs isn't an option. I'll buy some songs from itunes, or buy it used from amazon, but only if the songs I want are impossible to find online. Later, I'll upload that bitch.
However, if there were a pension system for recording musicians and a revamping of their contracts, I'd buy more music from the music outlets. I don't want to see my favorite artists in their sixties still performing because they're impoverished from bum contract deals.
How popular was napster until the media made their lawsuit household news? Folks copied music from different outlets before. But people grew bored of copying vinyl to cassette, cassette to casette, CD to cassette.
CDs are too expensive retailwise to continue buying music over and over again. Plus refurnishing vinyls, cassettes or CDs isn't an option. I'll buy some songs from itunes, or buy it used from amazon, but only if the songs I want are impossible to find online. Later, I'll upload that bitch.
However, if there were a pension system for recording musicians and a revamping of their contracts, I'd buy more music from the music outlets. I don't want to see my favorite artists in their sixties still performing because they're impoverished from bum contract deals.
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It wasn't me (c) Shaggy
That's another argument I've made for years. If you want to get technical, it is not even an exact copy in most cases (digitally speaking). I am not sure about today, but the law used to allow a person to alter a design by 15% to get around patents rights. At what point is a digital recording legally no longer a copy of another? The legal system is still learning.
What we have here is a last ditch effort by record companies to save there crooked business model. I predict they won't be around much longer.
STFU
SIMP ASS MOTHERFUCKER SHUT THE FUCK UP BET YOUR ASS IS DOWNLOADING SHIT RIGHT NOW.............I know iam
Downloading and SHARING. Y'all niggas still don't get it.
you're right some don't get it
im no expert but i doubt this is the same thing. the song remains the same. the song thriller is still the song thriller. except instead of lossless its, for arguments sake, 96kbps. its still the same song just lower bitrate. they'll still sue you because the song has not been altered.
i think the design argument only works if you take, say the song thriller, and change the actual composition. bass line, drums, guitar, lyrics and make it sound a little different. michael jackson can then come sue you and say hey, that song might be named trilla but it sounds just like my song thriller. and you can argue and say no it doesnt even sound like your song its different.
the example is dumb but you get the point. the material that has been copywritten is actually changed in the example and you can argue that its not the same as the original.
STEAL ALL YOUR MUSIC FROM IMEEM...THEY HAVE THE BEST QUALITY BY FAR....
The thing about RS or MU is folks need to learn to label their uploads correctly. In this day and age it's just stupid to label the new "Star Wars" film as "Star.Wars.avi" I see that happening a lot, and as a result those uploads don't last more than a couple hours at a time.
Not using file sharing programs AT ALL in 2009 should go without saying.
Newsgroups, as somoeone else said, might be my next investment. Although RS/MU/DF are wonderful, I'm curious about newsgroups. Any recommendations? What service should I invest in? What are some of the best newsgroups to subscribe to?
Thanks in advance.
Not using file sharing programs AT ALL in 2009 should go without saying.
Newsgroups, as somoeone else said, might be my next investment. Although RS/MU/DF are wonderful, I'm curious about newsgroups. Any recommendations? What service should I invest in? What are some of the best newsgroups to subscribe to?
Thanks in advance.
I agree with you, which is why I said digitally speaking. The digital rights debate is still a bit confusing for the legal system to define. For starters, a lower bit rate is not a mirror image of a CD. However, right now a high quality bootleg copy of a CD and an MP3 would be seen as as having the same value. As of now, legally they do, technically they do not. The recording industry basically dictated the definition to Congress. Congress, in ignorance and a little bribing went along with it. Certainly my argument would not stand up in court today. But someday it might.
Your example is not dumb. It makes a lot of sense under the law as defined today.
My brother in law was telling me about this,but the FBI watches alot of sites. I'm not downloading anything anymore.
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