{VIDEO} John Starks - Lebrons Game Has Evolved More Than Kobe's

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There is no pressure to be a team leader, your expected to be subpar ask Kevin Durant. So if Lebron failed they would have just said give him time, Kobe came to a laker team who didnt even want the cat on the team Shaq wanted him traded for Jason Kidd because he said he didnt have time to wait for this dude to develop, It was more pressure on the Lakers than it was on the cavs. The lakers were expected to win a championship and Kobe came off the bench at age 17 with a bunch of vets, he didnt have the ability to make alot of mistakes like Lebron if Kobe didnt play well they could have just traded him, Lebron didnt have that pressure he was filthy rich before he played a game in the NBA it was already handed to him, Kobe had to pay dues to get off the Lakers bench.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Quit lying, Lakers were always going to Make Kobe the teams future. He got Drafted by Charlotte and refused to play stating he wanted to be traded to the Lakers. Lakers Gave up Divac for Him. Which Rookie demands what team he wants to go to unless some strings were not pulled?? I remember Kobe chucking 3 points against the Jazz and lost. Lebron got Paid cause he was that Good, I never liked him when he came to the League but respected his game when he Carried a Bullshit team to the Finals past the Pistons.
 

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There is no pressure to be a team leader, your expected to be subpar ask Kevin Durant. So if Lebron failed they would have just said give him time, Kobe came to a laker team who didnt even want the cat on the team Shaq wanted him traded for Jason Kidd because he said he didnt have time to wait for this dude to develop, It was more pressure on the Lakers than it was on the cavs. The lakers were expected to win a championship and Kobe came off the bench at age 17 with a bunch of vets, he didnt have the ability to make alot of mistakes like Lebron if Kobe didnt play well they could have just traded him, Lebron didnt have that pressure he was filthy rich before he played a game in the NBA it was already handed to him, Kobe had to pay dues to get off the Lakers bench.
Lebron had more pressure than Durant coming into the leaague because he was getting much more hype than Durant was and was being called the next coming of Jordan. All but 2 people have failed to live up to most of the hype that came along with being compared to MJ. That's Kobe and Lebron. I'm not disputing that Kobe had to pay dues but he still had the luxury of learning from vets on how to play the game. Yeah he had to learn much faster than Lebron did due to more competitive western conference & playoffs but that also did wonders for his game. LBJ didn't have that luxury and had to learn on the fly. Like I said before, once Lebron develops a more consistent jumper & the killer instinct that Kobe has more often, it's curtains for a lot of teams.
 

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Starks did dunk on Jordan
Why are folks so resistant to that
After that, the NBA blackballed Starks and ran him out of the league.

Lebron James is nice, but like I have always said, he is the Paris Hilton of the NBA. He aint never did shit but he shole look good doing nothing and people pay too much attention to him. He has gotten arrogant and cocky. I hope David Stern steps in fast and tried to teach him how to act. His momma was a crackhead and obviously didnt take time to teach him a damn thing.

Iguzzle's lil brotha again :lol::lol::lol:
 

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Who has better stats?
Who has the better record ?

When LB gets a ring then you can make a comprison other wise fuck outta here
 

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When LB gets a ring then you can make a comprison other wise fuck outta here

The rings are irrelevant for those stats as that is for this year. Plus Kobe would've never won those rings without Shaq on the team. Shaq & Kobe fed off eachother to win those rings. Lebron took a team that never should've made it out of the 2nd round to the finals.
 

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I agree to a certain extent, but i dont think thats Lebrons game, hes one injury away from being Vince Carter, if you take Lebrons athleticism away from him and go off of pure BBALL skills that are fundamental, Kobe is Murdering Lebron in the skills dept. Lebron is one knee injury away from falling off. Great player I love his game but hes not on point offensively like Kobe, thats why Jordan could come back at 40 and drop 45 on yo @ss because his game wasnt based off of athleticism when he started winning championships.

You're an idiot. You just compared Lebron James to Vince Carter. Are you serious. Lebron James is a scorer, rebounder, assist-man, and now has stepped it up defensively. Vince Carter has done NOTHING in this league but periodically score and be the leagues best dunker. Lebron has a more complete GAME than Kobe...and Lebron is just physically "larger" and now stronger than Kobe... how is he more "athletic" than Kobe. He's a better player than Kobe and he still has an upside. Kobe has already played his best ball.... you're going to begin seeing a drop in production.. Kobe is not a young 30.. he has A LOT of games on his legs from being drafted young and to a team that was already making long playoff runs...
 

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end thread... and Kobe has the more talented team and better coach.

Which is precisely why Kobe's numbers are down so why u co signing that negro? u of all people should know better. Didnt the Cavs lose to the lakers at home? dont think if they meet in the finals it wont happen more frequently :lol:
 

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When LB gets a ring then you can make a comprison other wise fuck outta here

Yeah Kobe gotta a ring without Shaq...

Stever Kerr has more rings than Kobe and runs an NBA team.

With that logic Kerr (and Paxson) can shit on Kobe( and Barkley, Ewing, David Robinson, etc) That ring shit is for the birds.
 

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The rings are irrelevant for those stats as that is for this year. Plus Kobe would've never won those rings without Shaq on the team. Shaq & Kobe fed off eachother to win those rings. Lebron took a team that never should've made it out of the 2nd round to the finals.

Sure and im David Stern wasnt apart of that :rolleyes:
 

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Which is precisely why Kobe's numbers are down so why u co signing that negro? u of all people should know better. Didnt the Cavs lose to the lakers at home? dont think if they meet in the finals it wont happen more frequently :lol:

Lebron often doesn't play most of 4th quarters because his team has the highest point winning percentage in the league. The Cavs have had way more blowout wins than the lakers. Lebron plays 1 more minute per game and look at all the added production he gives you in that minute... The argument is moot when you look at overall production or use the (PER)... the reality is that Lebron is just a more efficient score and productive player than Kobe.. or ANYONE this year for that matter.. that's why Wade's numbers aren't ass impressive.. Lebron is the only player who has even threatened Jordan's production numbers in terms of PER. With better scores, Lebron would probably be even more productive.. especially in the assist department

I suggest you take a look at this: I posted it a couple of weeks back

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090324
 

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Any of you homos believe Starks then u r fuckin fools. Lebron is not on kobe's level indiviually. Notice starks still talkin about dunkin on Jordan i mean how long ago was that? Thats like a big time drug dealer talkin about how he use to move 20 keys a day when he was a young nigga :lol:

Starks still mad Mike dropped 55 on the nigga his first game back to the garden. Mike use to rape Starks every chance he got

People need to shut up onn this "still talkin about dunkin on Jordan" shit, he got asked about it-- he still gets asked about it, the shit gets posted on BGOL all the time, and he didn't even claim to have facialized him, when asked he laughed and said "he was in the poster."
 

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:lol: @ the transition to transition pants... "A great idea to be able to transition in and out cho pants" :lol:
 

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ONe thing the commentators cant say about Lebron cause he black is that he has a very low basketball IQ. He does some of the dumbest shit and the dumbest times to cost his teams games. Sometimes he doesnt know what the hell is going on in the game. He lost one of those playoff games against the Celtics by just losing his mind on the floor. He was outplayed by a much less athletic but much smarter Paul Pierce. Hopefully as he gets more experienced he wont be so damn dumb
 

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Forget the stats Kobe vs LeBron. How many games has Kobe sit out the fourth quarter? HIs numbers would be even with LeBron's, but you blowing teams out you can relax the 4th quarter. Wait till the championship, Kobe gonna show you who the man.
 

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i have followed both of their careers and if you really think about what starks is saying it's true. He didn't say Lebron was Better, only that his game has evolved more at an earlier level. Lebron can damn near play 4 postions on the court (very well too). Lebron has even been a better defensive player this year. With Kobe, MIchael Jordan was his blueprint ( which is very evident in the way he plays an even does his interviews). Lebron is more like a combination of Magic (vision), Michael( atheleticism), in Karl Malones body. We can talk about who's mid range is better ( Kobes') or a whole bunch of other stats but the only reason KOBE is better right now is the same thing that made michael great...KILLER INSINCT:itsawrap:
 

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Quit lying, Lakers were always going to Make Kobe the teams future. He got Drafted by Charlotte and refused to play stating he wanted to be traded to the Lakers. Lakers Gave up Divac for Him. Which Rookie demands what team he wants to go to unless some strings were not pulled?? I remember Kobe chucking 3 points against the Jazz and lost. Lebron got Paid cause he was that Good, I never liked him when he came to the League but respected his game when he Carried a Bullshit team to the Finals past the Pistons.
Homie learn to read a book, read any of Roland Lazenbys books and you will understand that Kobes teamates hated him the only players cool with Kobe was Dfish and Byron Scott im a die hard Laker fan and been one since the 80's on top of that my boy was married to Shaqs wife and has a kid by the broad and she put all the lakers biz out there, if you lived in cali nothing im saying is no secret, Jerry West and Jerry Buss wanted Kobe to be the future but Shaq wanted the Cat traded, reading is fundamental.
 

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He was outplayed by a much less athletic but much smarter Paul Pierce. Hopefully as he gets more experienced he wont be so damn dumb

The same Paul Pierce that less athletic, smarter than, and also outplayed Kobe in the Finals..:lol::lol::lol::lol: You set yourself up perfectly
 

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Forget the stats Kobe vs LeBron. How many games has Kobe sit out the fourth quarter? HIs numbers would be even with LeBron's, but you blowing teams out you can relax the 4th quarter.

The Cavs have the highest point differential in the league at + 9.1
 

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You're an idiot. You just compared Lebron James to Vince Carter. Are you serious. Lebron James is a scorer, rebounder, assist-man, and now has stepped it up defensively. Vince Carter has done NOTHING in this league but periodically score and be the leagues best dunker. Lebron has a more complete GAME than Kobe...and Lebron is just physically "larger" and now stronger than Kobe... how is he more "athletic" than Kobe. He's a better player than Kobe and he still has an upside. Kobe has already played his best ball.... you're going to begin seeing a drop in production.. Kobe is not a young 30.. he has A LOT of games on his legs from being drafted young and to a team that was already making long playoff runs...
Apparently your comprehension is on a 3rd grade level I said IF LEBRON GOT INJURED HE WOULD BE ON VINCE CARTERS LEVEL BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE AN OVERALL GAME... Vince was a superstar homie, how soon do we forget. But injuries slowed him down, and if you think Lebron isnt more athletic than Kobe you need to put down the oooo weee because youve been smoking too much Lebron dunked from the Damn free thorw line in a game Dawg a young KOBE COULDNT HAVE DONE THAT... Lebron is probably the most athletic player in history. Hes as big as Karl Malone. On top of that if you know your NBA history Domnique wilkins used to give MJ fits but as they aged and he lost his athleticism he wasnt on MJ's level anymore because Mike developed a Mid range game that no one could stop his turn around jumper was almost as unstoppable as Kareems Skyhook. Before you reply do some research. Youve lost your mind if you think Lebron has a better overall game than Kobe you need to stop watching sportscenter. If Kobe wanted to get 60 a night he could without dunking the ball he scored 81 points dude and only 3 or so of them were dunks, Kobe aint droppin 50 a night because he doesnt need to ask the new york knicks chief, if kobe wanted the scoring title he would get it, but hes averaged 35ppg and that didnt get him no where. Hes trying to win a championship Lebron is great but he aint on Kobes Level.
 
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Apparently your comprehension is on a 3rd grade level I said IF LEBRON GOT INJURED HE WOULD BE ON VINCE CARTERS LEVEL BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE AN OVERALL GAME... Vince was a superstar homie, how soon do we forget. But injuries slowed him down, and if you think Lebron isnt more athletic than Kobe you need to put down the oooo weee because youve been smoking too much Lebron dunked from the Damn free thorw line in a game Dawg a young KOBE COULDNT HAVE DONE THAT... Lebron is probably the most athletic player in history. Hes as big as Karl Malone. On top of that if you know your NBA history Domnique wilkins used to give MJ fits but as they aged and he lost his athleticism he wasnt on MJ's level anymore because Mike developed a Mid range game that no one could stop his turn around jumper was almost as unstoppable as Kareems Skyhook. Before you reply do some research. Youve lost your mind if you think Lebron has a better overall game than Kobe you need to stop watching sportscenter. If Kobe wanted to get 60 a night he could without dunking the ball he scored 81 points dude and only 3 or so of them were dunks, Kobe aint droppin 50 a night because he doesnt need to ask the new york knicks chief, if kobe wanted the scoring title he would get it, but hes averaged 35ppg and that didnt get him no where. Hes trying to win a championship Lebron is great but he aint on Kobes Level.
You can't compare Lebron with Dominique. Lebron does have an overall game in that even when he isn't scoring he's still a threat on the floor. You still have to worry about him finding the open man, still gotta try to keep him off the boards, still gotta know where he is on the floor cuz he's known for blocking shots from the weak side as well as on fast breaks. His jumper isn't on MJ or Kobe's level yet but his overall game exceeds what Vince & Dominque had already. Take away his athleticism and he's still a threat on any court.
 

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Apparently your comprehension is on a 3rd grade level I said IF LEBRON GOT INJURED HE WOULD BE ON VINCE CARTERS LEVEL BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE AN OVERALL GAME... Vince was a superstar homie, how soon do we forget. But injuries slowed him down, and if you think Lebron isnt more athletic than Kobe you need to put down the oooo weee because youve been smoking too much Lebron dunked from the Damn free thorw line in a game Dawg a young KOBE COULDNT HAVE DONE THAT... Lebron is probably the most athletic player in history. Hes as big as Karl Malone. On top of that if you know your NBA history Domnique wilkins used to give MJ fits but as they aged and he lost his athleticism he wasnt on MJ's level anymore because Mike developed a Mid range game that no one could stop his turn around jumper was almost as unstoppable as Kareems Skyhook. Before you reply do some research. Youve lost your mind if you think Lebron has a better overall game than Kobe you need to stop watching sportscenter. If Kobe wanted to get 60 a night he could without dunking the ball he scored 81 points dude and only 3 or so of them were dunks, Kobe aint droppin 50 a night because he doesnt need to ask the new york knicks chief, if kobe wanted the scoring title he would get it, but hes averaged 35ppg and that didnt get him no where. Hes trying to win a championship Lebron is great but he aint on Kobes Level.

Dude....you cant try to explain these things to most people. They are so full of hate stupidity and ignorance. No matter how much sense you make, they dont actually HEAR what you are saying.

You could say, lebron is the greatest basketball players of all time all he has to do is keep playing.

All these idiots would acknowledge is that Lebron has to keep playing to be the greatest. Please dont try to have a decent conversation with anyone on this board about Lebron. They will get personal and turn into an internet thug quickly.
 

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Also, you cant say that Lebron hasnt won a championship and he got swept in the finals. If you say that these folks will revert back to Lebron doesnt have any help. nevermind the fact that those folks got them there.

There are so many excuses its ridiculous. I hope Lebron loses again so we will see if they have any more excuses for him.
 

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Apparently your comprehension is on a 3rd grade level I said IF LEBRON GOT INJURED HE WOULD BE ON VINCE CARTERS LEVEL BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE AN OVERALL GAME..

Your statement reflects on you..not on me. You're purely a Kobe Stan. It has nothing to do with anyone's comprehension of that vomit.. much less my understanding of it.

Lebron is a more complete player than Kobe.. so what happens if Kobe blows out his knee? (to use your silly hypothetical) Kobe is more similar to Vince then Lebron is on almost every capacity. Your example simply shows you don't understand the game of basketball.

. Vince was a superstar homie, how soon do we forget.

Vince was never a SUPERSTAR by real critics or anyone who understands the game of basketball. Vince carter was an exciting player who produced a great highlight real...nothing more..nothing less... You can't even name a big post-season performance by Vince Carter can you? The fans considered Vince a superstar by giving him votes for all star games. but all star game votes don't equate to greatness. Vince has always been a fraud.

Vince is probably the greatest dunker the game has ever seen.. but he would hardly make him a great player.


and if you think Lebron isnt more athletic than Kobe you need to put down the oooo weee because youve been smoking too much Lebron dunked from the Damn free thorw line in a game Dawg a young KOBE COULDNT HAVE DONE THAT...

I commented on that actual dunk on this board. Kobe is just as fast, just as explosive (though he's slowing down), etc as Lebron.

Lebron IS stronger and taller than Kobe.. that doesn't not equate to being "more athletic"... Being able to understand the words you use.


Lebron is probably the most athletic player in history. Hes as big as Karl Malone. On top of that if you know your NBA history Domnique wilkins used to give MJ fits but as they aged and he lost his athleticism he wasnt on MJ's level

You are struggling with semantics. That is why I called you an idiot. I shouldn't have called you an idiot, but you clearly don't understand the words you are using.

Lebron isn't more athletic than Kobe or Jordan.

Jordan is actually the most athletic of the three.

Jordan ran the 40 yard dash faster than all three

Jordan had a higher vertical leap than all three

Jordan also had a greater hang time than all three.

etc

This is all recorded fact. Look it up,

Lebron being BIGGER than does not equate to "more athletic". You don't understand what "athletic" means. That is your first problem that leads to all types of logical fallacies.


anymore because Mike developed a Mid range game that no one could stop his turn around jumper was almost as unstoppable as Kareems Skyhook. Before you reply do some research

This argument about Lebron and Kobe... Not about Jordan so don't enter irrelevant suppositions into your already fallacious argument. I've already posted enough here on this board in other thread about Jordan to educate you for a long time.



. Youve lost your mind if you think Lebron has a better overall game than Kobe you need to stop watching sportscenter.

I've not watched sportscenter in over 2 years..and that was on a trip to New York kid..before that, I can't even remember. Judging but your lack of understanding of the game, I've probably been to actual games before you were even born though. however, you've still made no argument, much less supported it, as why Kobe is are more complete player than Lebron.



If Kobe wanted to get 60 a night he could without dunking the ball he scored 81 points dude and only 3 or so of them were dunks,

You think scoring points and freezing your team out of the offense equates to "great play". :smh::smh::lol::lol::lol:

Kobe is FINALLY figuring out (after 13 years in the league) that when he can manage to shoot LESS than 22 times a game his team's winning percentage rises significantly. YOU need to look that up.

His entire game speaks to a player who relies solely in on athleticism but suffers from basketball IQ.

The reality of the matter is that Kobe's tendency is to highjack the offense (and being an inefficient score who doesn't play within the offense nor understand how his over-shooting, especially early in games, keeps his teammates from contributing later in game).


Kobe aint droppin 50 a night because he doesnt need to ask the new york knicks chief, if kobe wanted the scoring title he would get it, but hes averaged 35ppg and that didnt get him no where. Hes trying to win a championship Lebron is great but he aint on Kobes Level.

The only thing you've discussed is SCORING. You do know that players contribute to the game in other ways besides scoring right?

The reality of the matter is that not only is Lebron scoring more than Kobe... he averages more rebounds, more assists, more blocks, more steals, and LESS turnovers.... go to bed clown.. the stats show he is a more complete player.. much less understand the game...
 
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Lebron is 24 can we get Kobes stats at age 24 and make a comparison? Comparing their stats are not fair. 2 different roles, conferences and very different style of teammates which will effect the numbers. Kobe has an expected drop in production. He has played well over 1,000 games its a fact that all superstars have a drop after that magical number of 1,000 even Jordan faced it. Yet still he has MVP numbers while having 2 all star caliber teammates who can score. Is Lebron better than Kobe? No but he can be I do like his decision making and think once he develops some finess moves he will be unstoppable. Another thing yes the Cavs have the best record they get to play East teams 3-4 times there is 2 maybe 3 quality opponents in the East Magic, Celtics and sometimes the Hawks. Lakers play in the West who 1-8 are 50 win teams. Dallas would have 50 by now if JT and Howard wasnt injured as much as they was. Bynum missed more time than Big Z and D West did combine but yet still they pretty much on the same pace.

Anyways this is Kobes numbers at age 24
82 games 41.5 min 0.451 fg% 0.383 3pt% 0.843 ft% 1.3 Oreb 5.6 Dreb 6.9 RPG 5.9 Ast 2.2 stl 0.8 blk 30.0 pts

Thats with him being the 2nd option to Shaq IDK how many 2nd options put up those kind of numbers
 

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kobe is more skilled for now but come on lebron is a monster. he's making a run at being the GOAT. I'm not saying he'll BE the GOAT but he's got a chance to do it. Kobe, as great as he is, will never be in that discussion.
 
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