US Mens team fails to qualify for the 2018 World Cup
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Major failure isn't without its controversy. For all intents and purposes, that Panama goal never went in and is a blatant mistake from the officials of that match. That being said, this is a sad attempt if were actually blaming this for our failure to qualify.
I'd rather stay home.
Can the U.S. appeal controversial Panama goal that left them out of World Cup?
So the U.S. men's national team failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup on Tuesday, but there is reason to believe they shouldn't have been eliminated. Panama beat Costa Rica 2-1 to clinch the final spot and send the U.S. crashing out, but the Panamanian's first goal didn't even go in. As to whether it can be appealed remained to be seen.
CBS Sports reached out to U.S. Soccer about whether an appeal could be filed. Press Officer Michael Kammarman said in an email, "As far as I know there is no recourse. Decisions of the referee are final."
It all comes from Gabriel Torres's phantom goal that made it 1-1. You'll see here, the ball never crossed the line:
Shocking. No goal-line technology, and this is what happens. An unbelievable scene, and certainly unfair. Yes, there's the human error part in any officiated match, but what recourse does the U.S. have? Rules from CONCACAF say an appeal can be filed for "parties directly affected by a decision" and that there are 21 days to file it -- whether this would fall under that remains to be seen:
Article 54. Jurisdiction of CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne, Switzerland) as an appeals arbitration body
1. As an appeals arbitration body, CAS shall be entitled to hear appeals against final decisions passed by CONCACAF.
2. Only parties directly affected by a decision may appeal to CAS. However, where doping-related decisions are concerned, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) may appeal to CAS.
3. The time limit for appeal to CAS shall be twenty-one (21) days from the receipt of the
decision in question.
4. An appeal before CAS may only be brought after CONCACAF's or FIFA's internal
procedures and remedies have been exhausted.
5. An appeal shall not have any suspensory effect as a stay of execution of a disciplinary
sanction, subject to the power of CAS to order that any disciplinary sanction be stayed
pending the arbitration.
6. CAS shall not take into account facts or evidence which the appellant could have
submitted to an internal CONCACAF body by acting
Now, it's certainly a long shot for anything like this to be overturned. CAS usually sees more cases about doping and was involved in CONMEBOL qualifying. The goal will almost certainly stand, but the U.S. would be wise to do whatever it takes to have its voice heard after this decision. It's the difference between the U.S. going still having a chance to go to the World Cup or sitting at home and watching it.
I'd rather stay home.
Can the U.S. appeal controversial Panama goal that left them out of World Cup?
So the U.S. men's national team failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup on Tuesday, but there is reason to believe they shouldn't have been eliminated. Panama beat Costa Rica 2-1 to clinch the final spot and send the U.S. crashing out, but the Panamanian's first goal didn't even go in. As to whether it can be appealed remained to be seen.
CBS Sports reached out to U.S. Soccer about whether an appeal could be filed. Press Officer Michael Kammarman said in an email, "As far as I know there is no recourse. Decisions of the referee are final."
It all comes from Gabriel Torres's phantom goal that made it 1-1. You'll see here, the ball never crossed the line:
Shocking. No goal-line technology, and this is what happens. An unbelievable scene, and certainly unfair. Yes, there's the human error part in any officiated match, but what recourse does the U.S. have? Rules from CONCACAF say an appeal can be filed for "parties directly affected by a decision" and that there are 21 days to file it -- whether this would fall under that remains to be seen:
Article 54. Jurisdiction of CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne, Switzerland) as an appeals arbitration body
1. As an appeals arbitration body, CAS shall be entitled to hear appeals against final decisions passed by CONCACAF.
2. Only parties directly affected by a decision may appeal to CAS. However, where doping-related decisions are concerned, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) may appeal to CAS.
3. The time limit for appeal to CAS shall be twenty-one (21) days from the receipt of the
decision in question.
4. An appeal before CAS may only be brought after CONCACAF's or FIFA's internal
procedures and remedies have been exhausted.
5. An appeal shall not have any suspensory effect as a stay of execution of a disciplinary
sanction, subject to the power of CAS to order that any disciplinary sanction be stayed
pending the arbitration.
6. CAS shall not take into account facts or evidence which the appellant could have
submitted to an internal CONCACAF body by acting
Now, it's certainly a long shot for anything like this to be overturned. CAS usually sees more cases about doping and was involved in CONMEBOL qualifying. The goal will almost certainly stand, but the U.S. would be wise to do whatever it takes to have its voice heard after this decision. It's the difference between the U.S. going still having a chance to go to the World Cup or sitting at home and watching it.
Hehehehe if that is the criterion, should the 1966 World
be taken away from England???????Hurst's goal did not
go in.. as far as I am concerned. Should the world cup
be recalled from the 1986 Argentine team? Maradona
scored with his hands...
I am sorry, but the US population is 3 times that of all
the other Concacaf countries put together; Its economy,
even with those Canada and Mexica included, is more
than 6x that of all these little countries.
The US is losing to countries that have the population of
the city of Dallas... Welcome to the World Cup. I told all
of you more than 10 years ago that this is the only
tournament in the world that people care about.
be taken away from England???????Hurst's goal did not
go in.. as far as I am concerned. Should the world cup
be recalled from the 1986 Argentine team? Maradona
scored with his hands...
I am sorry, but the US population is 3 times that of all
the other Concacaf countries put together; Its economy,
even with those Canada and Mexica included, is more
than 6x that of all these little countries.
The US is losing to countries that have the population of
the city of Dallas... Welcome to the World Cup. I told all
of you more than 10 years ago that this is the only
tournament in the world that people care about.
USA assumes its better than it is at the sport all the time....was crazy hearing how "big" of an upset it was that Jamaica beat America a couple years back...people acting like Jamaica beat Brazil...USA isn't a big side...they needed much more effort in that game yesterday...they weren't good enough to say we will just go to T&T and get a draw...have to work for it...USA has superior facilities and can throw more resources at the sport but the individual skill is not where it should be because USA treats soccer as the anti-basketball and the anti-perceived individuality of that sport...there is an anti-Black bias at the foundation of it as soccer is treated as a sport with no individual flair...big mistake...soccer is full of flair and individual greatness...just got to know how to harness that individual flair within the context of a team...I agree with the rest of yall that they need to open the sport to all the youth and they need to make it clear that there definitely is room in the sport for individual greatness to shine...make the game sexy instead of the suburban all-about-teamwork participation trophy feel that it currently has...there is room for both teamwork and an individual being able to shift somebody out of their shoes using their feet the same way a basketball player uses his hands...market the fucking game the right way to the youth
i see your point fam, My sister lived in brazil for almost 4 years. she actually says the same thing and the Nation really has not recovered from that slaughter by Germany. their still a power house but no where as dominant as they used too.
Lol a bit of both.
USMNT doesn't need better athletes to win a World Cup
October 11, 2017
Watch international soccer though and the players aren’t running past, leaping over or muscling through the Americans. Our players look like their players. Lionel Messi is 5-foot-7. Cristiano Ronaldo weighs 175 pounds.
The best U.S. player, perhaps ever, is Christian Pulisic. He is a 5-8, 139-pound 19-year-old.
The game is about skill, strategy and creativity, not just being bigger and faster. If anything, our classically American concept of needing to be bigger and faster has led us to be bigger, faster and less skilled, less tactical, less dangerous. We’ve been flailing about on the international stage for decades now by chasing athletes.
Make no mistake, there is no excuse for failing to qualify for the World Cup for the first time since 1986. The Americans shouldn’t have lost 2-1 to lowly Trinidad and Tobago on Tuesday, or even put themselves in a spot where they needed a result in the final qualifying game. It’s embarrassing. The U.S. should always be good enough to qualify. Yet even if the USMNT were going to Russia in June, they weren’t going to do much. The team was painfully limited. Per usual.
Low standards, weak accountability and administrative cheerleading have allowed the U.S. to claim success when there really wasn’t any – such as the 2014 World Cup where simply limping out of group play was deemed acceptable by organization president Sunil Gulati.
The truth is the U.S. has won just two games in the last three World Cups: nothing in 2006, a 1-0 victory over Algeria in 2010 and a 2-1 win against Ghana in 2016. That’s it. The two-victory run will now stretch to four World Cups, since you can’t win if aren’t even in. The team usually battles hard and occasionally survives, but it is of no threat to anybody any good. Grit and Tim Howard in goal was not much of a plan. It was all we had though.
The solution isn’t to somehow get the next generation of Russell Westbrooks or Odell Beckham Jr.’s to play soccer. It’s certainly possible that they could have been tremendous players if they dedicated themselves to the sport, but that so many Americans view that as the answer is actually the problem.
Everything else is the problem. Yet it may be in the process of being fixed.
Youth soccer in America has forever been a disorganized mess, a hodgepodge of systems and styles that rarely taught the game the proper way and literally never developed a truly elite international-level player. That it was based on pay-for-play – expensive travel teams – priced out certain talent. That it was concentrated in big cities all but eliminated rural kids. That the goal of most players and their parents was simply to earn a college scholarship didn’t help.
The best countries and clubs develop talent for years using a consistent concept of how the game should be taught and played to pull out the very best in an athlete. Technical skills, flair and creativity are paramount. Having 10 different coaches from youth through college destroys that.
A couple things have happened of late, however. The rise of Major League Soccer hasn’t just created more fans in the States, it’s created players. Each team has established a developmental academy that often pulls in the best boys and girls talent in the region and provides exceptional, and purposeful, training. It’s how European clubs are modeled.
The USMNT Under-17 team, for instance, is very competitive on the world stage and is full of great players. They are already 2-0 in their World Cup, which continues Thursday when they take on Colombia in India. The majority of the team has come up through MLS system. You can see the results. The U-20 team is similar and reached the quarterfinals of their World Cup.
Moreover, European clubs, seeking to cash in on the millions of young Americans who play the game, have begun setting up their own satellite developmental teams in the U.S. Liverpool FC out of the English Premier League, to name one of many, created the “International Academy America” in a seven states. The curriculum they use and philosophy they adhere to is the same as its academies in Great Britain. Thus the practice for an U-11 team in North Texas on a specific day is the exact same as it is for a U-11 team in Central England.
The result of professional teams, both domestic and foreign, taking over elite travel soccer in America will almost assuredly continue to create class. For once, Americans are offered a level playing field. So too will great talents embracing training as a profession and not something that needs to be shoehorned into the American concept of scholastic and collegiate sports.
Pulisic grew up in Michigan and Pennsylvania but as the son of a soccer coach, he and his family knew he needed to head to Germany at age 16 to embrace the game and learn under the club system of Dortmund, a top pro team in that country. Had he stayed in Hershey, Pa., been content to try to win a state high school title and then sign with an American college he wouldn’t be what he is, or what he will become. Going forward, he and the majority of U.S. players need to be in the major leagues of Europe, not in the MLS, where the competition is weaker.
Yes, the U.S. wins big in women’s soccer, but that is an entirely different equation. Due to Title IX, our country long ago embraced and encouraged girls to participate in sports, something very few other nations did. That gave us a major head start that carries us to today, even as others are trying to catch up. That bears no relation to boy’s/men’s soccer.
If there is one true tragedy of the USMNT missing the World Cup, it is the lost opportunity for Pulisic to show what an American player can be. His days are coming, as the star of the next wave of the national team that will be filled with those promising U-17s and U-20s.
He won’t become a breakout sensation in the States because he is the biggest, strongest or fastest guy out there. No one would call him an elite athlete. He is a skinny, slight teenager. His game is a game of skill and vision and possibilities though, like all the great players in the world.
That’s what the U.S. needs to become a legit soccer power. More Pulisics. More intense development. More organized teaching.
It doesn’t need the next LeBron James to kick a ball. We have the athletes, plenty of them. It’s everything else that needs to come … and very well may be on the way.
October 11, 2017
Watch international soccer though and the players aren’t running past, leaping over or muscling through the Americans. Our players look like their players. Lionel Messi is 5-foot-7. Cristiano Ronaldo weighs 175 pounds.
The best U.S. player, perhaps ever, is Christian Pulisic. He is a 5-8, 139-pound 19-year-old.
The game is about skill, strategy and creativity, not just being bigger and faster. If anything, our classically American concept of needing to be bigger and faster has led us to be bigger, faster and less skilled, less tactical, less dangerous. We’ve been flailing about on the international stage for decades now by chasing athletes.
Make no mistake, there is no excuse for failing to qualify for the World Cup for the first time since 1986. The Americans shouldn’t have lost 2-1 to lowly Trinidad and Tobago on Tuesday, or even put themselves in a spot where they needed a result in the final qualifying game. It’s embarrassing. The U.S. should always be good enough to qualify. Yet even if the USMNT were going to Russia in June, they weren’t going to do much. The team was painfully limited. Per usual.
Low standards, weak accountability and administrative cheerleading have allowed the U.S. to claim success when there really wasn’t any – such as the 2014 World Cup where simply limping out of group play was deemed acceptable by organization president Sunil Gulati.
The truth is the U.S. has won just two games in the last three World Cups: nothing in 2006, a 1-0 victory over Algeria in 2010 and a 2-1 win against Ghana in 2016. That’s it. The two-victory run will now stretch to four World Cups, since you can’t win if aren’t even in. The team usually battles hard and occasionally survives, but it is of no threat to anybody any good. Grit and Tim Howard in goal was not much of a plan. It was all we had though.
The solution isn’t to somehow get the next generation of Russell Westbrooks or Odell Beckham Jr.’s to play soccer. It’s certainly possible that they could have been tremendous players if they dedicated themselves to the sport, but that so many Americans view that as the answer is actually the problem.
Everything else is the problem. Yet it may be in the process of being fixed.
Youth soccer in America has forever been a disorganized mess, a hodgepodge of systems and styles that rarely taught the game the proper way and literally never developed a truly elite international-level player. That it was based on pay-for-play – expensive travel teams – priced out certain talent. That it was concentrated in big cities all but eliminated rural kids. That the goal of most players and their parents was simply to earn a college scholarship didn’t help.
The best countries and clubs develop talent for years using a consistent concept of how the game should be taught and played to pull out the very best in an athlete. Technical skills, flair and creativity are paramount. Having 10 different coaches from youth through college destroys that.
A couple things have happened of late, however. The rise of Major League Soccer hasn’t just created more fans in the States, it’s created players. Each team has established a developmental academy that often pulls in the best boys and girls talent in the region and provides exceptional, and purposeful, training. It’s how European clubs are modeled.
The USMNT Under-17 team, for instance, is very competitive on the world stage and is full of great players. They are already 2-0 in their World Cup, which continues Thursday when they take on Colombia in India. The majority of the team has come up through MLS system. You can see the results. The U-20 team is similar and reached the quarterfinals of their World Cup.
Moreover, European clubs, seeking to cash in on the millions of young Americans who play the game, have begun setting up their own satellite developmental teams in the U.S. Liverpool FC out of the English Premier League, to name one of many, created the “International Academy America” in a seven states. The curriculum they use and philosophy they adhere to is the same as its academies in Great Britain. Thus the practice for an U-11 team in North Texas on a specific day is the exact same as it is for a U-11 team in Central England.
The result of professional teams, both domestic and foreign, taking over elite travel soccer in America will almost assuredly continue to create class. For once, Americans are offered a level playing field. So too will great talents embracing training as a profession and not something that needs to be shoehorned into the American concept of scholastic and collegiate sports.
Pulisic grew up in Michigan and Pennsylvania but as the son of a soccer coach, he and his family knew he needed to head to Germany at age 16 to embrace the game and learn under the club system of Dortmund, a top pro team in that country. Had he stayed in Hershey, Pa., been content to try to win a state high school title and then sign with an American college he wouldn’t be what he is, or what he will become. Going forward, he and the majority of U.S. players need to be in the major leagues of Europe, not in the MLS, where the competition is weaker.
Yes, the U.S. wins big in women’s soccer, but that is an entirely different equation. Due to Title IX, our country long ago embraced and encouraged girls to participate in sports, something very few other nations did. That gave us a major head start that carries us to today, even as others are trying to catch up. That bears no relation to boy’s/men’s soccer.
If there is one true tragedy of the USMNT missing the World Cup, it is the lost opportunity for Pulisic to show what an American player can be. His days are coming, as the star of the next wave of the national team that will be filled with those promising U-17s and U-20s.
He won’t become a breakout sensation in the States because he is the biggest, strongest or fastest guy out there. No one would call him an elite athlete. He is a skinny, slight teenager. His game is a game of skill and vision and possibilities though, like all the great players in the world.
That’s what the U.S. needs to become a legit soccer power. More Pulisics. More intense development. More organized teaching.
It doesn’t need the next LeBron James to kick a ball. We have the athletes, plenty of them. It’s everything else that needs to come … and very well may be on the way.
Major failure isn't without its controversy. For all intents and purposes, that Panama goal never went in and is a blatant mistake from the officials of that match. That being said, this is a sad attempt if were actually blaming this for our failure to qualify.
I'd rather stay home.
Can the U.S. appeal controversial Panama goal that left them out of World Cup?
So the U.S. men's national team failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup on Tuesday, but there is reason to believe they shouldn't have been eliminated. Panama beat Costa Rica 2-1 to clinch the final spot and send the U.S. crashing out, but the Panamanian's first goal didn't even go in. As to whether it can be appealed remained to be seen.
CBS Sports reached out to U.S. Soccer about whether an appeal could be filed. Press Officer Michael Kammarman said in an email, "As far as I know there is no recourse. Decisions of the referee are final."
It all comes from Gabriel Torres's phantom goal that made it 1-1. You'll see here, the ball never crossed the line:
Shocking. No goal-line technology, and this is what happens. An unbelievable scene, and certainly unfair. Yes, there's the human error part in any officiated match, but what recourse does the U.S. have? Rules from CONCACAF say an appeal can be filed for "parties directly affected by a decision" and that there are 21 days to file it -- whether this would fall under that remains to be seen:
Article 54. Jurisdiction of CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne, Switzerland) as an appeals arbitration body
1. As an appeals arbitration body, CAS shall be entitled to hear appeals against final decisions passed by CONCACAF.
2. Only parties directly affected by a decision may appeal to CAS. However, where doping-related decisions are concerned, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) may appeal to CAS.
3. The time limit for appeal to CAS shall be twenty-one (21) days from the receipt of the
decision in question.
4. An appeal before CAS may only be brought after CONCACAF's or FIFA's internal
procedures and remedies have been exhausted.
5. An appeal shall not have any suspensory effect as a stay of execution of a disciplinary
sanction, subject to the power of CAS to order that any disciplinary sanction be stayed
pending the arbitration.
6. CAS shall not take into account facts or evidence which the appellant could have
submitted to an internal CONCACAF body by acting
Now, it's certainly a long shot for anything like this to be overturned. CAS usually sees more cases about doping and was involved in CONMEBOL qualifying. The goal will almost certainly stand, but the U.S. would be wise to do whatever it takes to have its voice heard after this decision. It's the difference between the U.S. going still having a chance to go to the World Cup or sitting at home and watching it.
This is why no one respects the US. The pussies who can only win regional cups by cheating are now complaining because their sorry asses are out of the World Cup. 320 million people and you can't make it to the World Cup
You think he has a new plastic sheet set ready to go?
Too many whites
That was a legit goal and it was fitting Roman Torres hit it.
I'd say it was the first goal that knocked us out.
I just explained this last night. This dumb ass author doesn't know what a great athlete is. He's equating "athlete" with solely brute strength and speed. That's not what makes Curry a great athlete, for instance. Unless our best athletes gravitate towards the sports, we'll continue to be a bottom feeder..and it won't get any better with these idiots saying "we don't need better athletes" to compete in an athletic event.
He know what he is talking about. He wants to keep the sport
white. Notice when he says "Our players look like their players"
That is an interesting concept; I wonder how many Olympic
track medals the US would have won if "its sprinters looked
like Europeans sprinters".
If the US is to be better than average, it needs to take this sport
to the inner cities and invest several generations of development
in it.
Like it or not, black Americans are the secret athletic advantage
of the US
lol soccer is for fags
that article is bullshit and on some covert racist shit
u.s soccer needs more "black" players period..
us youth soccer in this country especially youth soccer is so racist
its not even funny..... them soccer coachs are some of the most racist people that exist today..
and u.s soccer pays the price for it..
Yup. I am one of those coaches and I see how it's done. Only the white boys make their way thru while the blacks and latinos get left behind.
No doubt I heard shit first hand myself
Translation: Blacks stay away!!
Hell no. This is why the US stays losing. They start making excuses about a sport they don't understand. The best player on Earth is not considered legendary unless he wins a World Cup. Champions League title means absolutely nothing. You have a people in countries barely working for a month because of the World Cup. They put televisions inside corporate offices to watch World Cup games. Gringos always gotta make excuses because they can't understand why they're so bad at the game.
Ronaldo or Messi have neither and yet you won't put anyone above them, I guarantee it.
Z
Who wrote this bullshit
straight coded white hope bullshit. Wait pulisic is now the best Ever US player??? Damn that was a quick anointingThe goal that put the US out, sure seemed like a player with more core strength and foot speed would have been able to handle that outlet better.
Youth developmental CLUB soccer is such utter bullshit. Love the Sport, but the US will never get out of the way of its inherent racism, even at the risk of losing.
Because on this side of the world, they're automatically considered the 1st or 2nd best team in North America, Central America and the Caribbean so it's a bit of a surprise.
I would almost say it's the equivalent of England not qualifying but you lot get to play the likes of Malta and San Marino ALL THE TIME.
But I digress.
The World Cup has become the bonus of trophies. Sure if you win one, dope, but nobody is taking your achievements away if you don't. If Messi and Ronaldo didn't win one and left the game, would their legacies be tarnished? I HIGHLY doubt it.
"They were dope but they never beat the likes of Egypt or Iran in the group stage of the World
Cup so no, Pele and Maradona reign supreme."
I know I just pissed off anyone over 40 and as well I should. That was the gold standard of measure in your time, but times changed now. Thank the Bosman Rule where the wealthiest of clubs can hoard the best players.
If you want the very best of teams and the highest expression of sport, you're looking to the Champions League now, not the World Cup.
Most professionals agree.
Thank you... Messi will be another Johan Cruyff unless he lifts the Jules
Rimet; ditto for Ronaldo
He must be following the sport; and it is about skill folks; You can have
all the speed and power, but if you do not have touch, you are not going]
to do anything.
We're 318 million strong. 10% of that plays the game is more than adequate.
Need to strengthen the culture within that number and we'll be there.
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