Oh.. yeah.. he knew... he laid it out... I'm talking about the current chumps running the program
US Mens team fails to qualify for the 2018 World Cup
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Oh.. yeah.. he knew... he laid it out... I'm talking about the current chumps running the program
Bingo.
This is actually the same reason by Brazilian soccer is suffering. It's becoming all about the paid leagues and the poor kids (mainly black) can't afford it unless they get a sponsor.
Gotcha. Well we still have a wealth of immigrants that we're gonna allocate tickets to, so there's always that, and I still think the US will have a presence at Russia with the sheer number of fans that will traveling to Moscow, but yea you're right.Right. Im not talking quality of play or players. Im talking sheer selling of the game and propaganda. Its the biggest commercial on the biggest stage. And for the "biggest" nation to be a non participant is bad business all around. Theres no one to sell to the game to. No face to put on a pedestal, no one to promote as this Cups face of American soccer.. No jerseys or merch to pimp to the babies, no toys or cereal to brainwash the kids with...
Can you imagine how much money Pulisic just lost and all the corporate sponsors who were wetting their pants at the chance to build campaign ads around his white face?
They're missing out on alotta business this time around.
Brazil can at least always fall back with the culture of the game woven into the fabric of society.
That alone will always ensure a stream of talent coming through.
Us however, not so lucky..
Oh. I'm not comparing the talent of both countries. I'm saying that's why they're underperforming. What happened to the U.S. today is the equivalent of what happened to Brazil in the semis on their own field in 2014... man.. that was a national embarrassment...i was down there when it happened...
they'll always produce world class talent but they have never been just completely outclassed on the world stage like that... and it's a real untold story..i mentioned it during the last world cup... that kids from the favelas are being priced out of soccer unless they can find a sponsor
Right. That 7-1 was unforgettable for reasons other than being locked in a hotel room with a stacked Salvadorean girl who insisted on watching the game while we smashed.
But I digress. Yea completely embarrassing.
Klinnsmann had them respectable like a B level team, not top flight. He just wasn't respected enough worldwide. Every club in the world passed him by cause his best days were behind him. I know the US wants to grow coaches as well as players but that won't happen until they bring in top tier european coaches.
Think about how the eueopeans and chinese learned basketball. They brought in US big time coaches (as well as players who still had something left). Their coaches came over here and lived and learned then went back and taught other coaches.
If I was US soccer I'd be looking at EPL, Serie A, Bundesliga and Primiera Liga for coaches on the come up. Those are the leagues with the best tactics.
US has a few young stars and it's possible there are a few more in the pipeline. They deserve a good young coach. Not tired ass bruce arenas.
Clean House leadership wise.
-No non europeans in leadership roles. (preferably western europeans are best for these positions)
-Anyone on the USMNT must either speak a second language due to playing in Europe or they play in the English Premiership only (Not the Football championship 2nd division, not the scottish league, not the irish league, and definitely not Australian league)
-No MLS players allowed on the USMNT. Your time has passed or you were never good enough to begin with.
-No more pay for play youth leagues. Starting in 2018, soccer teams are open tryouts for anyone regardless if they can or cannot afford it.
-No more looking for the "Lebron James" of soccer. If anything, we need the next Steph Curry of soccer. Scrawny average athletic kid who can play with both feet and can score from virtually anywhere in or outside the box at will.
-Coaches for the elite teams across the country must have European or South American playing experience. MLS expats need not apply.
-Any kids from the age of 10 to 16 remotely good at the sport must consider soccer as a profession and not a way to pay for college. Encourage these kids to attend academies abroad (preferably Europe).
I'm sure more can be added, but this would be a damn good start.
B-level team is all you can expect from the men side (U.S.) when they play well given the talent. They don't have the talent to be top flight and without a good manager, today is what you get.
Yea, unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Black athleticism doesn't equal world class talent. See Jozy Altidore and Gyasi Zardes. They're both athletic as hell but can't play the sport to save their lives.
It's cats that were more athletic than Kobe and Lebron combined, but it didn't make them great at basketball.
Pulisic is a phenomenal soccer talent, with above average athleticism. That's the USA's problem now. We want to develop athletes instead of soccer players. We gotta do it like everywhere else in the world, develop the soccer talent, then improve their athleticism with training and fitness.
I agree with everything here especially eradicating the pay to play model.
Funny thing is, nobody is athletically better than us. The olympics prove that. Fitness has never been our issue here.
It's that whole relationship with the ball thing that lacks. That's what we fail to harness.
Pulisic has it because he learned the game outside the US system. There's no reason we can't keep churning more like him out.
Oh. You're not getting it at all. It is a black athlete issue. What I'm saying is our best athletes are picking different sports. This is a fact. And if someone like Barry Sanders was playing soccer at 4 instead of football, there is no telling how great he would have been.
and Altidore is not a great athlete. He's slow as fuck compared to athletes in other sports who are the same size.
When you get black kids in the inner city playing soccer + being taught technique by proper coaches, you'll see the quality of U.S. soccer improving.
Brazil, for instance, is good because the black athletes there don't have other sports options. And brazilian soccer is suffering now because black athletes are being locked out at the youth level because it's becoming a sport where it's too expensive to participate in youth leagues (much like sports in the U.S. like golf, tennis, etc).
If tennis was affordable and accessible, all the best tennis players out of the U.S. would be black.
I think he's thinking of athletism as brute strength and it's not. Curry is a superior athlete because of his super human vision and hand to eye coordination. It's just all fine-tuned to shoot because his father was an NBA player. Ray Allen was the same way... literally sports scientists have studied them and they have superhuman depth perception, etc. It's not different than someone like Lionel Messi. His fine motor schools are superhuman. It's just fine-tuned and put in display in football.
The greatest athletes have almost super-human abilities..not just brute strength and speed.. they have abnormal depth perception, reflexes, etc..
Someone like Floyd Mayweather who only knew soccer as a kid would have likely been a great soccer play. Literally his footwork, reflexes, etc are abnormal.
What I'm trying to tell this dude is that our best athletes are choosing other sports...the guys playing soccer in the U.S. are for the most part subpar athletes.
Why do you think the women's U.S. team is so much better.. they aren't as many options for women in professional sports so theyre getting the best athletes.
U.S. Mens' soccer has a talent pool + youth program issue.
Ain't as bad as it seems. With all the shit going on with concussions, American football about to take a hit. Lawyers should have a field day with these studies. I mean 
Type shit.
Even in college, brains still developing. American football just too brutal to survive the science.
International football about to win. Money is already there. All it takes is the lawsuits that about to happen and cats from America will be running this shit. How long until no-tack high school football? College will be next. Game is just too brutal to survive the stats.
People will follow the money. Sport is fun to watch.
Type shit.Even in college, brains still developing. American football just too brutal to survive the science.
International football about to win. Money is already there. All it takes is the lawsuits that about to happen and cats from America will be running this shit. How long until no-tack high school football? College will be next. Game is just too brutal to survive the stats.
People will follow the money. Sport is fun to watch.
If you start Joey Altidore and David Johnson at the same age playing soccer (i'm using those two because they're similar age and height), Johnson would be a much better soccer playing given the same experience + coaching. He's just a much superior athlete.
A guy like deion sanders, that played a high level in the NFL and MLB, had him played soccer would have been by far the greatest U.S. soccer playing in history... he's a far superior athlete than anyone we've ever put on the pitch and it's not even close.
It's a matter of our better athletes starting the sport early....nothing more nothing less. Until that starts to happen, we won't compete at a top level. Yall think Donavan is anywhere near the athletic talent of Messi or Ronaldo... i hope yall release just how much superior or an athlete, power, speed, motor skills, coordination,etc that messi is over a donavan.. what im saying is that if you dropped donavan in Argentina as a kid and gave him the same experience as Messi he would still be a subpar player because you cant teach what Messi has.. those are atheletic gifts... Messi would be great at other sports where height wasnt an issue.
Pulisic is sort of an anomaly. Many of the travel teams in Hershey PA initially didn't want him because he was so little (Americans and our"big strong fast" athletes) LOL. Coaches actually questioned his ability?! Best homegrown player we've had in decades almost never was.
Superior athleticism means nothing in the sport if we can't even play well. Lot's of MLS players still haven't developed a first touch. Smh
I still can't believe these niggas didn't qualify!
told them 7 years agoWhere is @DJCandle and the other delusional BGOL us soccer stans who constantly tell me American soccer is on the upswing??
Keep telling you niggas it aint happening no time soon.
Ain't as bad as it seems. With all the shit going on with concussions, American football about to take a hit. Lawyers should have a field day with these studies. I mean
Even in college, brains still developing. American football just too brutal to survive the science.
International football about to win. Money is already there. All it takes is the lawsuits that about to happen and cats from America will be running this shit. How long until no-tack high school football? College will be next. Game is just too brutal to survive the stats.
People will follow the money. Sport is fun to watch.
that's why @Amajorfucup was saying this is such a huge lost opportunity because parents are looking for alternatives now.
Superior athleticism means nothing in the sport if we can't even play well. Lot's of MLS players still haven't developed a first touch. Smh
Because they fucking can't! They've maxed out their fine motors skills! I'm trying to tell you that athleticism is much more than "speed and strength".
You see how good OBJ is with a soccer ball? If he only played soccer, he would be amazing. He's fast (but not shockingly fast) but not that strong. I bet you I could outlift him bench pressing, etc. The amazing catches he makes is because he has superior eye-hand coordination and amazing footwork. He's a superior athletic specimen and would have been great at any sport he chose.. his sport of choice is just football.. had it been tennis, basketball, soccer, etc..he would have been great at that shit.
So with that logic, Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo (with these great fine motors skills as you say and the top 2 soccer players on the planet) potentially would've been superb football and basketball players had they been born and raised here in the USA. Is this a correct assumption?
Yeah, it can be. But the legal downfall of American football will take some time. There just seems to be a perfect opportunity for people to discuss why Americans aren't in the most popular sport while they are getting their brains bashed in.
I think 2018 is too soon.
Foh.. Jozy is a testament to black athleticism if anything. He actually proves my point. He would be a global star if he didnt spend his formative years in shit USA youth soccer programs in florida. If he were reared in an environment with a strong base and pedigree he would not have peaked as early and had his growth and developed stunted by fucking around in MLS as a teenager. Jozy has excelled largely on talent and superior athleticism.. Now imagine if he had actual tutelage.
I don't understand how you're missing this so badly.
I already placed the variable for height (against Messi). So could we expect him to be a superb basketball player? I didn't only mention fine motor skills. I mentioned lost of other things. I've give you an example. Curry would be great at anything where depth perception is important
Steph Curry Literally Sees the World Differently Than You Do
http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/06/steph-curry-perception-performance.html
He's playing with a loaded deck.
When superior athletes are evaluated (in any sport), a vast majority of them have abilities that other can't learn. They're exceptional. For instance, superior running backs aren't just strong and fast, the literally have better vision + reflexes than other running backs who have equal measurables in other areas. A .1 second difference in reaction time is often the difference between hitting the hole or running into another player in the gap. Again, two players with equal size, strength, and speed can have much different results because of vision + reaction time.
The better athletes bubble up to the top.
That's why really superior athletes (like Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders) could play two professional sports simultaneously. They've been studied and not only are their obvious measurables off the charts, but sports scientists found a plethora of other abnormal abilities.
So to use Messi as the example.
Messi could have very well been a professional RB in the NFL, a Rugby player in the NRL, a tennis player, etc. His athletics gifts would transfer over to several different sports. He's a superior athlete.
I bet you Messie in his prime would chart out faster than practically every U.S. player over the last 20 years (playing forward) over the first 15 yards (without a ball) and with one it wouldnt be close...and have him do it through cones, even more distance (not just because of technique), etc. I also bet you he could leg press more than a majority of U.S. players of equal height and weight. And I bet you if evaluated, he's like curry and that he sees the world differently than the average athlete. He's playing with a loaded deck. Superathletes are superhuman...and the best once combine it with early training, continuous improvement, and relentless dedication.
He's not just great technically, he's also athletically gifted.
I'm telling you the U.S. won't compete until our best young athletes (not all but mostly black athletes in the U.S.) are pulled into the sport.
Man it will take at least 20 years for US to catch up. As far as being on the level they can compete.
Fair enough. I still disagree, but at least you are consistent in your theory.
Where?????
I'm skeptical of somebody being more athletic than Lebron, but I could fathom it. You combine THAT with Kobe and you're damn near talking about god-damn Spiderman.
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Pulisic is sort of an anomaly. Many of the travel teams in Hershey PA initially didn't want him because he was so little (Americans and our"big strong fast" athletes) LOL. Coaches actually questioned his ability?! Best homegrown player we've had in decades almost never was.
Superior athleticism means nothing in the sport if we can't even play well. Lot's of MLS players still haven't developed a first touch. Smh
I still can't believe these niggas didn't qualify!
It seems like you're both making the same point, just in different ways. In that to become an elite athlete, you need to have been doing it since day one. Pulisic is a prime example of a player with athletic ability and good talent. He was honed away from the US system with the best in the world, which allowed him to grow into the player he is.
The end game is that the culture of soccer in the US is highly overlooked for many reasons but structurally is a nightmare. Pay to play will forever damper its improvement and filter out the kids with actual talent from a young age. What's in this streets across this country is far different and nowhere near a representation of the national team.
The kids with true passion, ability and skill from an early age (regardless of race) are constantly overlooked and this is something the US brass refuse to change.
The kids that suffer the most are the poorer kids (Black & Latino) who without a doubt are the best ones on the pitch. Get these kids into a program that harnesses them all the way to the top and this will change.
Until then, athlete or no athlete, we can forget it.
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