TP HATERS: Tyler Perry gets *another* TV series!

The destruction of our image on tv and the big screen does not start with Tyler Perry, I dont understand how some of you hate what TP does to our image but support tv and movies depicting us as murderers, drug dealers, gangbangers and the sort. It seems like since TP is popular lets attack him as if he started the negetivity that we see tv and in the movies. If we have any chance of altering the images of our people in entertainment we cant be selective in our doing so we need to attack all that profit off of our image being tarnished in the name of profit.

THIS IS THE SHIT THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND!

These dudes need to derail every rap music thread created, because most of these rappers are doing ANYTHING but portraying Blacks in a positive light. Rappers actually GLORIFY the bullshit...

....which makes the bashing of TP laughable, at best.
 
I wonder what kind of sitcom or movie the naysayers want to be made that would gather the interest of the black majority. The type of non stereotypically movies you all would like to see, typically, never gets supported when it comes out.

Whites do the same with their own production. Usually they will come out with whatever satisfy their white audience wholly. You have to cater to your audience to become profitable.

The fact that blacks lack power in hollywood, forces directors and producers to stay in their lane. There are certain movies that should be made concerning our history, but people are afraid that it might upset the white man. I would love to see a take on The Black Wallstreet in Tulsa Oklahoma.

As far a black comedy goes, its tough not to be steoretypical without beind bland. Most jokes are stereotypical in nature.

White america give their viewing audience a variety of images to pick from but with us its the same ol bullshit; murderer, gangbanger, fatherless children, husbandless black women always in need of white folks help, etc. They rarely depict a loving in tact black family on tv, our image is always negative.
 
Most people go to see a movie to get away from reality. Serious movies such as Dramas have never been huge money drawers for anyone black or white. You have some exceptions but most Dramas based on reality go over looked. The success of TP will allow for another Color Purple type movie to be made or a serious Drama with a an all black cast.

Black people have to stop tearing each other down and being afraid of what the white man think. Some of you are going out of your way to bash TP because you are concerned with what the white man might think about black people.:smh:
 
I get the Madea hate....even if I think it's overblown, I get it.

However, I don't get the hate for his TV shows. I'd agree that they're of low quality, but they're certainly not negative depictions of Black folk. He goes out of his way to do just the opposite and attempts to tackle serious issues all the time on these shows.
 
White america give their viewing audience a variety of images to pick from but with us its the same ol bullshit; murderer, gangbanger, fatherless children, husbandless black women always in need of white folks help, etc. They rarely depict a loving in tact black family on tv, our image is always negative.

I agree with this.

You know, The Cosby Show was once heavily criticized because felt as if it was not an accurate portrayal of the black family.

In other words, they weren't 'niggarish' enough. Believe it or not, that's what many Black people want, which ultimately tells us that no matter how Blacks are depicted on screen, a large portion of our community will take issue with it.
 
when bamboozled came out, how many said it was too deep, boring and made them think? a lot... tyler comes out with his bullshit and black america says "i dont gotta think, i can just laugh at the faggotry and cooning! I'mma support this!"

Who said Bamboozled was too deep? It was very cut and dry I thought and I saw that shit at about 12 or 13. We gotta quit making this a Tyler vs Spike issue. We are always trying to fight each other and battle each other for some reason. There is room for Tyler and Spike Lee. Personally, i'm not a fan of Tyler's shit. I've liked one of his films and that's Daddy's Little Girl's. I haven't seen enough of his films to even criticize him or his films but at the same time I don't really want to.

But I will say this is what entertainment is about IMO. I want to laugh. I want to enjoy myself. I want a good film. I don't care if its educational or funny. I just want it to be good.

Someone above stated that Tyler has taken the place of BET and its hear to destroy "blacks". If a film and tv show can destroy our culture than you know what? We're fucked up. We're fucked up and the least of our problems is Tyler Perry.

I'll say this about Tyler Perry, I respect his business. There wasn't a market out there for the shit he does and he MADE ONE. His films aren't blockbusters but they're financially successful because of Tyler's cheap productions costs. And for that? I respect him. The director and writer? Not so much.
 
White america give their viewing audience a variety of images to pick from but with us its the same ol bullshit; murderer, gangbanger, fatherless children, husbandless black women always in need of white folks help, etc. They rarely depict a loving in tact black family on tv, our image is always negative.

Not always. But any type of family show will have some sort of conflict whether they are in tact or not. The issues that blacks typically go through might be different from other cultures. We tend to display our struggles on screen more so than what we strive to become. The truth is, our overall image isnt perfect by no means.

The variety that white America gives us comes from the fact they have more money and support to put out quality shows. With us, we have to go the other route to make money just to keep up and stay afloat.
 
THIS IS THE SHIT THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND!

These dudes need to derail every rap music thread created, because most of these rappers are doing ANYTHING but portraying Blacks in a positive light. Rappers actually GLORIFY the bullshit...

....which makes the bashing of TP laughable, at best.

TP being the hottest black movie producer out here today makes perfect sense. Look at other forms of black entertainment and who is "hot" in those areas right now.

Now think about when Spike Lee was hot and think about what types of black artists were "hot" in other areas during Spike's run.

Black folks are getting what they want. They wanted positive messages and empowering subject matter back then, today they want the black equivalent of what white folks want (feel good fluff, obnoxious behavior, sex and violence). Maybe it means we have "overcome" because we seem to be comfortable being every bit as shallow as a damn 80's Valley Girl. I think black folks are living their version of the 80's "Me Generation" right now. Maybe it just took us an extra 30 years to get there.
 
Bro', I'm sorry...

...but if what TP does can destroy us, then we are too easily destroyed. I don't watch the dudes work like I did when he was first came out, but I just don't see how what he does is so bad for our community.

It's my opinion, of course - but I just feel as if that was ridiculously overstated.

Unhunh.. It's funny... I remember the exact same thing being said about BET at the time.

But very few now looking back can deny the destructiveness of BET or the coonery and buffoonery left in it's wake.
 
Unhunh.. It's funny... I remember the exact same thing being said about BET at the time.

But very few now, looking back, can deny the destructiveness of BET or the coonery and buffoonery left in it's wake.

What destructiveness did BET cause? And why are you of the assumption people stopped watching? Their ratings are THROUGH the roof. These past 2 years at BET they've set rating records for their station. What's the difference between BET now and from when it was in its "hey day" in the 80's? What's the difference in programming?
 
What destructiveness did BET cause? And why are you of the assumption people stopped watching? Their ratings are THROUGH the roof. These past 2 years at BET they've set rating records for their station. What's the difference between BET now and from when it was in its "hey day" in the 80's? What's the difference in programming?

No balance. No BET news, Teen summit, no music videos, no BET UNCUT. :(
 
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I saw this at the 42nd Street station. Shit actually made me drop my fucking head
No pride whatsoever in the "All About the Benjamins" era
 
Unhunh.. It's funny... I remember the exact same thing being said about BET at the time

But very few now looking back can deny the destructiveness of BET or the coonery and buffoonery left in it's wake.

TP's shit is not on the same destructive tip as a lot of the shit BET was peddling to the public. TP's problem is that he feels the need to make everybody feel good (well every black woman) about themselves no matter the circumstance. I mean he has hit every switch from crackheads to adulterous hoes and made it seem like there was a prince charming out there ready to save every one of them. TP's shit is no different than any other ill-conceived, shitty-written, half-assed developed romantic comedy out there. Take out Janet Jackson and add Renée Zellweger and the shit is the same.

Like I said, not sure if it is "advancement" or not, but it seems our females are now every bit as braindead as the majority. Maybe that shit is a luxury of sorts, but I don't think TP is gonna take down the black race any more than Aaron Spelling was gonna destroy white youth with his bullshit.
 
No balance. No BET news, Teen summit, no music videos, no BET UNCUT. :(

:lol: So you mean to tell me BET is missing out on BET Uncut, no music videos, a 30 minute news segment and a 40 minute show dedicated to teens? I mean damn I see what you're saying but is this what stopped BET from "destroying" our lives? This 2 hours of programming?
 
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Take Richard Gere and Julia Roberts out of this shit and replace them with Rudy from Cosby and Shemar Moore. Replace the hotel manager dude with Madea and don't change a single word in the script other than doing a "find and replace" for the main character's names and BAM!!!!


You got a Tyler Perry movie.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Am I lyin'?
 
YEAH!! All you need is about 30 million and the approval of hollywood executives to make movies

Man, they don't hear you... or me. I'm done trying explain the process when I guarantee most people in this thread haven't been through it.

Talent is the last thing anyone needs to make it in Hollywood.
 
I actually like "House of Payne" and "Meet the Browns". Dude here from "House of PAyne" is the modern day Fred Sanford
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Leroy S. Brown is funny too
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but i really watch for
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:yes::yes::yes:
 
:lol: So you mean to tell me BET is missing out on BET Uncut, no music videos, a 30 minute news segment and a 40 minute show dedicated to teens? I mean damn I see what you're saying but is this what stopped BET from "destroying" our lives? This 2 hours of programming?

I dont know about destroying of lives but Im just saying the lack of those program destroyed my interest of BET.

I dont think whats on tv or big screen has a great deal of influence of what happens in the home of people who already have issues. Before a show or movie is put on the screen, Im pretty sure people where fucking up before than.
 
YEAH!! All you need is about 30 million and the approval of hollywood executives to make movies
Man, they don't hear you... or me. I'm done trying explain the process when I guarantee most people in this thread haven't been through it.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-09-09-tyler-perry_N.htm

ATLANTA — Tyler Perry is standing in the middle of what was once a life on the brink.

It's a postage stamp of a room. A 200-square-foot studio apartment that's more heap than home: a broken television set; a stained mattress piled with broken end tables and torn couch cushions; an overflowing toilet caked with waste.

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Others stayed here after Perry moved out years ago. "But this is pretty much how I was living," the director says, stepping over newspapers and a roach trap. "This was my place, and I was glad to have it."

The apartment building, which sits near downtown Atlanta off historic Peachtree Street, is to be torn down this month. But Perry, 38, wants a final look at the place he called home before he became the most influential black filmmaker in the business today.

Letting go, Perry is the first to concede, is not his strong suit.

"I never want to forget how close I came to losing everything," he says. "My bed was there. My stove was there — mainly Ramen noodles. That little corner there, that's where my computer sat. That's where I ran from my fears."

Those fears materialized in the form of journals and short plays, which Perry, on the advice of an episode of Oprah Winfrey, wrote to come to terms with a childhood of abuse and poverty in New Orleans.

Perry is still running, still remembering, still tapping out dread on a computer screen.

Now, though, he makes millions doing it. Even among Hollywood's elite, Perry has a track record worth envying. He has had four No. 1 films. He has sold more than 11 million DVDs of his films and videotaped stage plays.

TBS airs his half-hour show House of Payne and has ordered up a new one, Meet the Browns, based on his film characters. His movies cost about $10 million; they take in, on average, $47 million.
 
While I haven't watched any of his tv shows, I can't hate the man because he keeps people working. Between these three shows, that has to be about, what, 40 actors getting a steady check? Plus, the majority of his studios crew is black so that's probably another couple hundred people able to feed themselves and their families. He also makes sure that he goes back and grabs former black stars that Hollywood forgot about and gives them starring roles in his films. I can't be mad at that. I'm about to end my Tyler hate campaign. :yes:


CO fucking Sign !!!!!!
 
And? This hasn't disputed anything I said in my earlier posts. I'm not 'hating' as you would so like to believe. I guarantee anyone with an ounce of talent could make it as big if not bigger if they were willing to coon. Then the promotion would explode. I chose not to go down that route because unlike Tyler, I have something called integrity.

But again, all power to him. If he can sleep easily at night, then so be it.
 
What destructiveness did BET cause? And why are you of the assumption people stopped watching? Their ratings are THROUGH the roof. These past 2 years at BET they've set rating records for their station.

Come on bruh, you can't be serious.

The only reason they've any type of ratings spike is because they just recently changed their programming in the past few years in order to change the negative image they had acquired in the early 2000's

What's the difference between BET now and from when it was in its "hey day" in the 80's? What's the difference in programming?
That's the point. They are trying to get back to what they were in the 80's.

In the late 90's through early 2000's the buffoonery/coonery on that channel was horrible. :smh:
 
And? This hasn't disputed anything I said in my earlier posts. I'm not 'hating' as you would so like to believe. I guarantee anyone with an ounce of talent could make it as big if not bigger if they were willing to coon. Then the promotion would explode. I chose not to go down that route because unlike Tyler, I have something called integrity.

But again, all power to him. If he can sleep easily at night, then so be it.

I don't know if you can call it coonin'. To me, coonin' is pandering to a white audience by reinforcing black stereotypes. TP panders to a black female and church-going audience by reinforcing a different set of black stereotypes (the ones we impose on ourselves). He makes money off an audience that is vastly majority black and he markets almost exclusively to a black audience. Dude is feeding his audience the entertainment equivalent of high-fructose corn syrup, shit is BAD for you, but it ain't a conspiracy and white audiences are being fed the EXACT same shit for the most part. Me personally, I don't want TP to start trying to do other types of "black" movies because I don't think he'd do a very good job. Let him do what he does and hope some other cats with more talent and that have taken the time to learn the craft of writing can slip through the door while he has it cracked open.

Sadly, I'm seeing a lot of black "independent" films are on some FAR worse shit. Check out some of the "black" titles on Netflix if you don't believe me. There are cats out there on some FAR WORSE shit than TP. Lot of ass-shaking, real-crime hood DVD's, hip-hop beef and poorly produced hood movies out there. Black film is like black music, you gotta dig deep as hell to find the gems in the shit. What we DON'T have is a system that will at least let SOME of the cream rise to the top like the majority film industry does, but that ain't TP's fault.
 
And? This hasn't disputed anything I said in my earlier posts. I'm not 'hating' as you would so like to believe. I guarantee anyone with an ounce of talent could make it as big if not bigger if they were willing to coon. Then the promotion would explode. I chose not to go down that route because unlike Tyler, I have something called integrity.

But again, all power to him. If he can sleep easily at night, then so be it.

LOL keep telling yourself that. Holier-than-thou cyberintegrity and four quarters can buy you something from the Dollar Menu. The point was that Tyler Perry didn't start off with 30 million and white Hollywood approval. But you already knew that. Maybe spend less time worrying about how easily TP sleeps and worry more about your own grind...
...or lack thereof :giggle:

http://www.freakyempire.com/trailers/nlfgip10.mov
 
I actually like "House of Payne" and "Meet the Browns". Dude here from "House of PAyne" is the modern day Fred Sanford
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Leroy S. Brown is funny too
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but i really watch for
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:yes::yes::yes:
Maybe people dont like that these dudes are too happy and jolly. They stupid funny which reminds me of the shows they use to have back in the early 90s.

You have people that love The Wire but would dislike these type of shows. The formula they used for those highly praised 90s black sitcoms wouldnt survive in the present.
 
I hate how the word coon is being used.

I thought it meant catering to whites at the expense of looking like a fool

but on here its catering to blacks at the expense of looking like a fool
 
While I haven't watched any of his tv shows, I can't hate the man because he keeps people working. Between these three shows, that has to be about, what, 40 actors getting a steady check? Plus, the majority of his studios crew is black so that's probably another couple hundred people able to feed themselves and their families. He also makes sure that he goes back and grabs former black stars that Hollywood forgot about and gives them starring roles in his films. I can't be mad at that. I'm about to end my Tyler hate campaign. :yes:

^^^^^^^ This
 
Maybe people dont like that these dudes are too happy and jolly. They stupid funny which reminds me of the shows they use to have back in the early 90s.

You have people that love The Wire but would dislike these type of shows. The formula they used for those highly praised 90s black sitcoms wouldnt survive in the present.

The 90's sitcoms weren't as Southern focused. I think some of the "country" jokes fall flat on some non-Southern black folks kinda like a "country" cousin coming to visit might embarrass them. My wife is from a tiny town in Louisiana and I have literally MET some of these characters (met a few Roscoe Browns). Shit is over the top, but it has foundation in some real black shit (bible thumping, marginally educated, rural black culture. Kind of folks that still live in shotgun houses passed down from grandma). Kinda like Roseanne touched on white trash Midwestern culture in an over the top, yet at the same time kinda real, way (and some white folks found that demeaning too).
 
I didn't really want to get deep into this topic but you have forced my hand.

I don't know if you can call it coonin'. To me, coonin' is pandering to a white audience by reinforcing black stereotypes.
Doesn't just have to be a 'white audience'. That's why you see other races/ethnicites mocking black people of the stereotypical thug/gangster image that's perpetuated worldwide. In Tyler's case, there are so many. From the lonely hard done by independent strong black woman, to the good, pristine honest light bright individuals.

TP panders to a black female and church-going audience by reinforcing a different set of black stereotypes (the ones we impose on ourselves).
Stereotypes are stereotypes. While I agree his main audience are the ones you described, to think for one moment he doesn't have a large following outside of those parameters are naive. If Tyler Perry didn't have the coonery he displays, and had the depth of Spike Lee, do you honestly think he would get to platforms such as Oprah as often as he does? [/quote]

He makes money off an audience that is vastly majority black and he markets almost exclusively to a black audience. Dude is feeding his audience the entertainment equivalent of high-fructose corn syrup,
I agree on this point.

shit is BAD for you, but it ain't a conspiracy and white audiences are being fed the EXACT same shit for the most part. Me personally, I don't want TP to start trying to do other types of "black" movies because I don't think he'd do a very good job.
I agree. He knows his limitations and he sticks to it. My main point is how he seems to get more exposure when it comes to the media.

Let him do what he does and hope some other cats with more talent and that have taken the time to learn the craft of writing can slip through the door while he has it cracked open.
A lot of people have... and I for one did, but the nature of this industry very very rarely allows individuals who make films/sitcoms of substance to reach the same heights Tyler has.


Sadly, I'm seeing a lot of black "independent" films are on some FAR worse shit. Check out some of the "black" titles on Netflix if you don't believe me. There are cats out there on some FAR WORSE shit than TP. Lot of ass-shaking, real-crime hood DVD's, hip-hop beef and poorly produced hood movies out there. Black film is like black music, you gotta dig deep as hell to find the gems in the shit.
This I agree on. And they are no different from TP in my opinion.

What we DON'T have is a system that will at least let SOME of the cream rise to the top like the majority film industry does, but that ain't TP's fault.
That was exactly my point if you look at my first post in here. And I never blamed TP, I'm simply acknowledging it's coonin. The executives at the major corporations will happily promote and support his kind of nonsense. There isn't enough black influence in Hollywood and I have seen it first hand.

Again, I'm not mad at Tyler because he knows what sells and he sticks to it. But no one else should come under heavy criticism simply because they don't approve of his work.
 
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...I find it pretty funny that people want to credit TP for destroying Black America, or causing destructon, like BET did years ago...what exactly did TP and BET do???....BET made money,just like record companies did, playing up a lot of young Black rap artists that Black America ate up, and now you want to claim that too much attention was given to them and BET is at fault...what about the creators of the art, the artist, BET is just a medium to distribute it ...wouldn't the artists, in this case, the rap stars, be the buffoons, the coons, the sell-outs,and all the other labels many here put on TP??.what I don't understand is why TP gets so much hate, but rap artists, that promote so many negative images 24/7/365, on the screen ,in their lyrics and in their personal lives, yet they all get a pass...When was the last time Black folks came down hard on any rap/hip hop artist for doing something wrong/illegal???...they have promoted violence, material excess, drug use, cop killing, no snitching, gang activity, prison lifestyle, promiscuous behavior, and all kinds of hate on women, and yet it sells like hotcakes..rappers have glorified this negative lifestyle for years, and boards like this reinforce and validate it all the time, just read the threads....and we want to blame TP, BET, SONY, etc....I've never been called a drug dealer, BECAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN A DRUG DEALER....

...on another note...comedic actors have been around for years...I never hear anyone calling the 3 Stooges, Jerry Lewis, Jackie Gleason, Robin Williams, etc nasty names, buffoons, or destructive for being funny, for playing different characters, dressing up as women, acting like clowns...WHY??, because thats what they do, and they did it well...TP hasn't only played the clown character, he's played serious roles as well, showing balance in his talents and craft....TP or Martin Lawrence could hire a woman to play the parts of Madea or Big Mama, but why should they, they are paid well for doing it, they have a huge audience, and THEY, the comedic actors, MAKE THE CHARACTERS WHAT THEY ARE...Madea is funny because we all know its TP in that costume, anyone else in that role would not be the same...same for Big Mama..
 
LOL keep telling yourself that. Holier-than-thou cyberintegrity and four quarters can buy you something from the Dollar Menu. The point was that Tyler Perry didn't start off with 30 million and white Hollywood approval. But you already knew that. Maybe spend less time worrying about how easily TP sleeps and worry more about your own grind...
...or lack thereof :giggle:

http://www.freakyempire.com/trailers/nlfgip10.mov

Lol, what kind of loser stans for someone this hard? I see logic isn't working with you. You have no idea how I'm doing and you completely missed the point of my post. Carry on regurgitating Tyler's nuts in your mouth. You ain't seeing a penny from the man you defend so much. :thumbsup:
 
Name a successful black tv show or movie in recent history that didnt involved a stereotype.
 
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