Thomas Sowell on playing the “slavery card”

[PsiBorg]

you fill in the spaces and gaps in what he's talking about. Name calling accomplishes nothing.

I have no idea as to what you are talking about. He said that I didn't ask him a question, so I asked him a question that I legitimately wanted an answer to.

I think you read my question wrong, Bro. I didn't call anyone out of their name. I never name called anyone. I used the term "coon " because that's what people said in the thread. I never called anyone in here anything.

 

[PsiBorg]

Answers:
You CHALLENGE it.
You get INFORMED.
You speak out AGAINST it.
You denounce it with FACTS.
You REFUSE to ignore or be silent about this bullshit.
You join with other intelligent people and PROTEST this nonsense.
You do the RESEARCH yourself and LEARN about your own history.
You encourage others to SEEK the truth rather than take somenes word for it
You engage him and other like minded folks who make such claims with TRUTH.
You pass the TRUE information/history on to younger people (Young Blacks in particular).
Most importantly...

YOU FIGHT AGAINST ANYONE WHO WANTS TO UNDERMINE, DESTROY, SELL OUT OR DISMANTLE YOUR FUTURE, YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURES & YOUR PEOPLE'S FUTURES FOR THE SAKE OF WHITE FEARS AND THEIR INTERESTS.

Understand...?
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This I can get with... a real answer with real solutions.
Thank you, Bruh.

 

[Mr. Met]

I guess putting Blacks as 3/5ths humans in the constitution wasn’t racially based. I’m sure that will be explained away too by coons. The entire slave trade in America was based on race and it’s justification . It’s a fact.

Yet you morons use right wing straw man arguments about the original meaning of “slavery” that pre dates America even being a country. So tell us, why didn’t the British , French and Spaniards go round up Russian cacs and bring them to America to work in fields? I mean chattel slavery in the Americas wasn’t about race Right?

 

[hardawayz16]

What's there to explain? Enemy with a purpose... he makes whites feel good by downplaying certain events, we all see this.

He's an economist...he doesn't deal in feelings..

and sidenote... how does making white people feel bad improve the lives of black people?

 

[PsiBorg]

What's there to explain? Enemy with a purpose... he makes whites feel good by downplaying certain events, we all see this.

He's gonna downplay whatever ills are done to blacks, if he truly was middle ground he would speak on the lack of compensation we're gotta as a result of our ills, he doesn't speak on this. What is there not to understand here? He plays one side of the fence even if he's correct by saying more than blacks were slaves well what did we get to build with from it?

People who have this ideaology and don't take offense seem to have very distinct views of black people, we see it on BGOL where a young brother shoots someone dudes will talk about the lack of fatherhood and all that, straight coon talk but that's where we've heading.

Progressive, vs non-progressive... bootstraps vs government assistance...

It's a fine line between the two.

I'm not worried about how he makes white people feel. I'm more worried about what white people will do because of what he says.

I worry about what we'll do. If we are forewarned, then we can act on our own behalf a lot quicker.

But, I think I understand what you're saying.

 

[CptMARVEL]

I'm asking a serious question and looking for serious answers:
Where the fuck do they grow these people????

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

I'm not worried about how he makes white people feel. I'm more worried about what white people will do because of what he says.

I worry about what we'll do. If we are forewarned, then we can act on our own behalf a lot quicker.

But, I think I understand what you're saying.

This is cowardice.

 

[Darrkman]

I want to live in 2022 with 1945 values.

Ah so that would mean legal redlining, legal segregation from jobs and education. Yeah the good old days.

Y'all are painfully simplistic.

 

[Darrkman]

Nothing funnier than posting a Black dude who's thumbnail of his video is FOX NEWS and we're supposed to take him seriously.

 

[PsiBorg]

This is cowardice.

Explain your statement, Sir.

Because I'll say this. If you have the balls enough to call a man a coward, then you should be willing to back that up.

If you aren't willing to back that up, then you should shut the fuck up. Because I'll guarantee you this. If I ever call anyone a coward, you'd best believe that I'm willing to back it with my words, and I'm willing to back it up with my mutha-fuckin' hands.

As far as I'm concerned, most of us in here are discussing concepts and ideas. Are we all going to be on the same page? No. Can we learn from each other though? Yes. I think so.

But if you're saying that you feel that I'm a coward, or that I'm being cowardly; then you're being quite fucking foolish. You don't know me. I can guarantee you that I'm not a "Keyboard Warrior." You don't have a clue.

Thank goodness these discussions aren't face to face. Because, Bruh... I'd hold you accountable for them words. Because that word "coward" is strong. You need to have strength to call a man that face to face. I don't think you're that strong, but I don't know you and I don't want to know you. And you damn sure don't want to know me if you like throwing those types of words around.

Just because I'm trying to understand what the Brother was saying has nothing to do with my integrity.

So, I'm going to ask you to defend your statement? Because maybe I'm taking it wrong, and if I am, I apologize. But, if I'm not... then ni@@a fuck you and your Momma. Now what?

 

[305]

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And there it is. I knew if I give you enough rope at some point you'll hang yourself with your true intentions.

All is bullshit about Thomas Sowell is only so you could find some way to attack democrats. I swear some of you dudes in here are amazingly pathetic when it comes to your hatred of Democrats and the people you'll align yourself with to prove that hatred.

What a joke.

lol. haha. did this nigga really turn this into a Pro Democrat thread. This nigga just did a Biden is my boss and Kamala got my back wild spin. The same party that was pro slavery, do i hate them hahah. yes you weirdo. Just like i hate Republicans. Unlike you I am an African American. I know that neither white man is for me. dis nigga said gave you enough rope haha. dawg im actually laughing so hard at this Political party cooning

 

[305]

I never said compared to today I said it doesn't mean much when your father is underemployed or unemployed and youre all treated as 2nd class citizens plus the harrassment, occasional terroristic act and general dehumanizing depression of living in a place where they make it clear they don't want you or want you to know your place..

lets make it simple...WOULD YOU WANT TO LIVE IN 1945 OR 2022??



I would expect a BLACK MAN whose an economist to FACTOR in the variables of actions and behaviors that produced those numbers he's using to back his argument.

Straight metrics only gives a partial picture and numbers can be INTERPRETED any way you want. Did crime rise in the black community because blacks are animalistic thugs or are there other factors that contribute to it. If so what are they and why are they?

Are we looking at straight numbers as if society is a level playing field or are we acknowledging contributing factors of exclusion/discrimination and the affects those things can have on a people?

Well said

 

[305]

When Black Americans discuss the ills and by products of slavery, they are almost exclusively talking in context of this nation and country they built. To pretend that isn't the case and include the use of the term globally and throughout all of history is both dismissive and dishonest.

To say American chattel slavery has nothing to do with race is a historical and imbecilic. Anyone offering that as a rebuttal point should be stoned to death.

Correct. he has downplayed the importance of his own peers and forefathers experience in America by including the history of the word Slavery. Yes the history of the word is a FACT, but it is not a part of the current facts. I have said the same thing in 10 straight posts.

 

[hardawayz16]

Ah so that would mean legal redlining, legal segregation from jobs and education. Yeah the good old days.

Y'all are painfully simplistic.

I'm talking of BLACK values, like the ones YOU CURRENTLY LIVE - marriage, raising a family, education, home ownership, expectations and standards for your children...

But hey, according to you that's republican shit....for all those other poor black folks. Not for you and yours.

 

[geechiedan]

I'm talking of BLACK values, like the ones YOU CURRENTLY LIVE - marriage, raising a family, education, home ownership, expectations and standards for your children...

But hey, according to you that's republican shit....for all those other poor black folks. Not for you and yours.

and what do you think the black values of 2022 is if not those thing??

 

[Dr. Truth]

and what do you think the black values of 2022 is if not those thing??

That’s a cac you’re asking that

 

[cashwhisperer]

 

[Darrkman]

lol. haha. did this nigga really turn this into a Pro Democrat thread. This nigga just did a Biden is my boss and Kamala got my back wild spin. The same party that was pro slavery, do i hate them hahah. yes you weirdo. Just like i hate Republicans. Unlike you I am an African American. I know that neither white man is for me. dis nigga said gave you enough rope haha. dawg im actually laughing so hard at this Political party cooning

You're trying too hard and it's coming across as fake.

Have you posted in the verification thread???

 

[Darrkman]

lol. haha. did this nigga really turn this into a Pro Democrat thread. This nigga just did a Biden is my boss and Kamala got my back wild spin. The same party that was pro slavery, do i hate them hahah. yes you weirdo. Just like i hate Republicans. Unlike you I am an African American. I know that neither white man is for me. dis nigga said gave you enough rope haha. dawg im actually laughing so hard at this Political party cooning

I'm always fascinated at the "Black" people that will go one about the Dems are the party of slavery acting like the major platforms of both parties didn't change DECADES ago.

So many Republican talking points in this thread.

 

[hardawayz16]

and what do you think the black values of 2022 is if not those thing??

Have you seen black marriage statistics for the past 50 years? Have you taken a look at any marriage threads on BGOL in the past 5?

 

[peterlongshort]

"Yes!!! Yes!!!
Finally, someone who gets it!!!!
This is what I've been saying for decades!!!!
Being called a coon really IS a badge of honor!!!!
Thank God, my message is finally getting through to the next generation of Black Americans!!!
You "New Negroes" are OK in my book..."
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Would you rather be loud and wrong or quiet and right? I don’t agree with 70% of the shit on this board, but I’m willing to listen. The crypto shit was alien to me, but I listened to the brothas that was in the shit instead of just shitting on it out of my own ignorance. The crowd? ‘Oh, it’s a scam!’ Folk need to cut that shit out. There is always another perspective. Shaming folk and shouting them down only keeps them ignorant. Carry on Gents, see you tommorrow…

 

[ghoststrike]

If you dummies are on here saying Sowell is a genius then you have to believe that Jim Crow didn't exist. That redlining didn't exist. That forcing men out of the home so that you can get benefits didn't exist.

The mental gymnastics y'all do are Olympics worthy.

What TF is so "ingenious" or "thought-provoking" about referring to American chattel slavery as a "card", arguing American slavery as "not racist" because other parts of the world practiced it too, and defending an Indian pro-MAGA author, Dinesh D'Souza who prides himself in being Trump's step-n-fetch it?

Sowell is a straight....

 

[Darrkman]

What TF is so "ingenious" or "thought-provoking" about referring to American chattel slavery as a "card", arguing American slavery as "not racist" because other parts of the world practiced it too, and defending an Indian pro-MAGA author, Dinesh D'Souza who prides himself in being Trump's step-n-fetch it?

Sowell is a straight....

It's cause he uses big words while doing it.

 

[cashwhisperer]

I want to live in 2022 with 1945 values.

You can't carry on a tradition when the conditions that helped facilitate that tradition no longer exist.

 

[Da Backshot Champ]

Whoever this extremely feeble minded christian is, he can suck Monkeypox duck and die!

 

[geechiedan]

Have you seen black marriage statistics for the past 50 years? Have you taken a look at any marriage threads on BGOL in the past 5?

being married and being in a stable secure relationship are two different things. Again whats the point of being married if a spouse is cheating or the parents neglectful or everyone is backbiting?

Do you know how many loveless marriages there were in 1945?? How many men who led double lives with two sets of families? how much physical abuse was going on?

The metric of marriage and what it means and the whole nuclear family model is based on some eurocentric/white centric ideal. I said it in my previous post: if Blacks behaved so much better in the 1950s and before then why was that generation treated so horribly?? Why would a generation of blacks that was so noble and had such good family values and so earnest in assimilating into society be treated in such a fashion?


Because thats the crux of what sowell and people like him base their views on...IF WE JUST ACTED BETTER AND MORE LIKE THEM THEY WOULD RESPECT US MORE AND TREAT US BETTER!!!

Well that generation in the 50s made conscious efforts to do just that and guess what happened

Those people are in suits...this happened after church on a sunday. They prayed and did all the right things.

those cops acted on orders in their official capacity.


So again what are these values that are soo much better then than today??? What did it get that generation of black folk???

 

[CptMARVEL]

Would you rather be loud and wrong or quiet and right? I don’t agree with 70% of the shit on this board, but I’m willing to listen. The crypto shit was alien to me, but I listened to the brothas that was in the shit instead of just shitting on it out of my own ignorance. The crowd? ‘Oh, it’s a scam!’ Folk need to cut that shit out. There is always another perspective. Shaming folk and shouting them down only keeps them ignorant. Carry on Gents, see you tommorrow…

Or...
You don't have to do ANY of those things and simply do your own research on a given topic and formulate your own opinion based on actual facts as opposed to other peoples ideas.

Wow.
Imagine that...
After doing your own research on a topic you too might be brave enough to offer an opinion on a subject independent of what others think, and offer up your own POV, instead of being fearful of what others might think of you...

 

[hardawayz16]

being married and being in a stable secure relationship are two different things. Again whats the point of being married if a spouse is cheating or the parents neglectful or everyone is backbiting?

Do you know how many loveless marriages there were in 1945?? How many men who led double lives with two sets of families? how much physical abuse was going on?

And? There are loveless marriages in 2022 too. There is physical abuse in 2022 too.

That does not negate the statistics that black married couples are doing MUCH better economically that non-married black people.

The metric of marriage and what it means and the whole nuclear family model is based on some eurocentric/white centric ideal. I said it in my previous post: if Blacks behaved so much better in the 1950s and before then why was that generation treated so horribly?? Why would a generation of blacks that was so noble and had such good family values and so earnest in assimilating into society be treated in such a fashion?

Because thats the crux of what sowell and people like him base their views on...IF WE JUST ACTED BETTER AND MORE LIKE THEM THEY WOULD RESPECT US MORE AND TREAT US BETTER!!!

Well that generation in the 50s made conscious efforts to do just that and guess what happened

Those people are in suits...this happened after church on a sunday. They prayed and did all the right things.

those cops acted on orders in their official capacity.

So again what are these values that are soo much better then than today??? What did it get that generation of black folk???

So what is your point? That marriage and family is pointless because racism????? Do you think people got married and had families to impress CACS???? You think the point of marriage and family is to GET something?

Maybe, just maybe...people got married because they loved each other and wanted to start families?

Lordt.

 

[peterlongshort]

Or...
You don't have to do ANY of those things and simply do your own research on a given topic and formulate your own opinion based on actual facts as opposed to other peoples ideas.

Wow.
Imagine that...
After doing your own research on a topic you too might be brave enough to offer an opinion on a subject independent of what others think, and offer up your own POV, instead of being fearful of what others might think of you...

That’s too many words my friend. Make it plain. This ain’t twitter.
*edit* friendly fire. I got what you was saying.

 

[hardawayz16]

Because thats the crux of what sowell and people like him base their views on...IF WE JUST ACTED BETTER AND MORE LIKE THEM THEY WOULD RESPECT US MORE AND TREAT US BETTER!!!

NONE of what Sowell says is based on them 'respecting us more and treating us better" - AGAIN - He is an ECONOMIST - his argument is there are basic values and principles that will raise us as a group economically - marriage, education, entrepreneurship, home ownership, etc.....things that have raised EVERY OTHER GROUP IN AMERICA that prioritized it for the past 100 YEARS...

Things that posters like @Darrkman and many others on BGOL utilized for success. But don't talk about or encourage because they're scared to be viewed as conservative.

 

[geechiedan]

And? There are loveless marriages in 2022 too. There is physical abuse in 2022 too.

That does not negate the statistics that black married couples are doing MUCH better economically that non-married black people.



So what is your point? That marriage and family is pointless because racism????? Do you think people got married and had families to impress CACS???? You think the point of marriage and family is to GET something?

Maybe, just maybe...people got married because they loved each other and wanted to start families?

Lordt.

no my point is that marriage stats among blacks looks the way it looks BECAUSE of racism. Racism put an particular economic burden on the family that made it harder for them to deal with chronic financial issues. The number one cause of marriage issues involves finances. Lack of money lack of upward mobility, every fucking little thing is a struggle.

again its easy to look at a stat and say hey these marriage numbers among african americans are falling. I interpret this to mean they have LESS morals and values than everyone else! Meanwhile unemployment is rising, social issues like discrimination and exclusion are ever present and oh yeah here comes the klan for their weekly cross burning on my front lawn! But NONE OF THOSE THINGS have to do with the break up of the black family.

Meanwhile people who dont come from the nuclear family model DON'T get credit for becoming productive citizens they just get written up as negative statistics as far as cacs are concerned who then write studies and publish hypothesis that says blacks ALREADY start off with two strikes against them and this bad marriage stat only adds to the stigma. And blacks like sowell and you run with that shit and say yeah its all these immoral dumb niggas fault...has nothing to do with society at large.

 

[geechiedan]

NONE of what Sowell says is based on them 'respecting us more and treating us better" - AGAIN - He is an ECONOMIST - his argument is there are basic values and principles that will raise us as a group economically - marriage, education, entrepreneurship, home ownership, etc.....things that have raised EVERY OTHER GROUP IN AMERICA that prioritized it for the past 100 YEARS...

Things that posters like @Darrkman and many others on BGOL utilized for success. But don't talk about or encourage because they're scared to be viewed as conservative.

every other group in america hasn't gone thru the very specific ordeals blacks have had to deal with. You do realize that we're the ONLY immigrant group in this country that DIDN'T come here voluntarily. Yes having a live in roommate to share the burden of living expenses generally makes things better. But if youre NOT going to do a deep dive into WHY those numbers look the way they look and just broad brush with "a lack of values" then youre not being accurate at all as to the real problem thats caused falling marriage numbers.

an except from MLK's letter from a Birmingham jail.

We have waited for more than 340 years for our constitutional and God given rights. The nations of Asia and Africa are moving with jetlike speed toward gaining political independence, but we still creep at horse and buggy pace toward gaining a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, "Wait." But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate filled policemen curse, kick and even kill your black brothers and sisters; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six year old daughter why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see ominous clouds of inferiority beginning to form in her little mental sky, and see her beginning to distort her personality by developing an unconscious bitterness toward white people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five year old son who is asking: "Daddy, why do white people treat colored people so mean?"; when you take a cross county drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "white" and "colored"; when your first name becomes "******," your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next, and are plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodiness"--then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience.

you just look at the numbers...THIS ^^^^^ is the reason why those numbers went down thru the 60s and 70s. Its the fall out thats still rippling out to this day because you have two generations that was RAISED during it and the AFTERMATH of that all that shit.

its NOT as simple as looking at statistics.

 

[Darrkman]

NONE of what Sowell says is based on them 'respecting us more and treating us better" - AGAIN - He is an ECONOMIST - his argument is there are basic values and principles that will raise us as a group economically - marriage, education, entrepreneurship, home ownership, etc.....things that have raised EVERY OTHER GROUP IN AMERICA that prioritized it for the past 100 YEARS...

Things that posters like @Darrkman and many others on BGOL utilized for success. But don't talk about or encourage because they're scared to be viewed as conservative.

He's an economist that says there's no such thing as systemic racism. If you say something that completely stupid when there's so many examples that prove it exists how can you trust anything else he says?

 

[hardawayz16]

He's an economist that says there's no such thing as systemic racism. If you say something that completely stupid when there's so many examples that prove it exists how can you trust anything else he says?

Maybe because its a vague academic term that has been debated for 50 years?

Not saying I agree but we all know that term is used a lot by dummies to explain disparities that deserve a deeper analysis.

 

[hardawayz16]

every other group in america hasn't gone thru the very specific ordeals blacks have had to deal with. You do realize that we're the ONLY immigrant group in this country that DIDN'T come here voluntarily. Yes having a live in roommate to share the burden of living expenses generally makes things better. But if youre NOT going to do a deep dive into WHY those numbers look the way they look and just broad brush with "a lack of values" then youre not being accurate at all as to the real problem thats caused falling marriage numbers.

MLK's father was a married, college educated homeowner. His children all went to college and were married.