Thomas Sowell on playing the “slavery card”

[305]

You calling somebody dumb when that entire paragraph states Europeans justified slavery by using white supremacy. Are you retarded? Yes. Yes you are .

I don’t give a flying fuck about Roman slavery and anything that pre dates Africans coming to America . We are talking about the slavery in the Americas . I’m a descendant of African slavery. You’re trying to sound smart by talking about slavery pre chattel which is a straw man argument for idiots

And Thomas is NOT talking about your obvious points. Thus you are in the wrong thread with this abc shit. Tons of threads on how 1+1=2 on here. Go find one. This is an analysis of what he is saying in the video not a convo about how limited your knowledge is.

 

[Dr. Truth]

Actually you’re sounding like a cracka who starts that but Irish were slaves too where are my reparations non sense . You are so easily manipulated by racist cacs and coons it’s pathetic. This is the exact same argument racists use to downplay chattel slavery as some non racial slave harmony. FOH

 

[Darrkman]

Personal responsibility is a republican talking point says the married homeowner with a professional career?

Guess there's no expectation of your kids to have personal responsibility, right? Oh, no, that's different

Here's the difference. When they tried to keep my kid out of honors classes that wasn't cause of a lack of personal responsibility that was racism. However dumb fucks like you will instantly run to some bullshit talking point of "try harder" before accepting that racism exists. Why.....cause you live for telling white people "yes boss".

Some of y'all are on a different level of pathetic and it shows.

 

[geechiedan]

Correct. The mere fact that these dudes are mad that he said its not race based shows the level of thinking we are dealing with in a convo like this. Makes it not worth it actually. Only a handful of guys are going to add to the convo.

Its hard to think of slavery and race not connected as you perfectly laid out for Westerners. Its fully solidified in these niggas brains. Slavery is "their" thing. White people the same, blacks are just slaves with the ability to do some things they can do now.

I even gave reference to what you said being similar to White Jesus. Centuries of conditioning have solidified that image and there are dudes in here who still see that image when they pray.

Where Thomas is fucked up is he is using that fact to weaken the ability to get govt aid. Black Americans still need so much from America from local city programs to farming grants to of course reparations. Thomas was clearly against that, and i cant fuck with that. And like i said before I see why he is going viral now, but alot of his talking points are still talking points.

We still need to address how Black Americans are the only ones to not get repatriations. And anyone who listens to Thomas now will be able to use his arguments against it cuz nothing has changed since these vids.

The basis of his claptrap argument is that the welfare state is the root cause of issues in the black community. Sowell brings up the "legacy of slavery" then dismisses it when in fact the issues of 60s and today have more to do with the legacy of Jim Crow and the attitudes and actions of those times more so than slavery. But that's a typical conservative tactic isn't it. The issues of the black community has less to do with welfare and more to do with society's treatment and attitudes toward blacks as a group.

In the 1950s homicides were down and legitimacy was much higher but that doesn't really mean a heck of a whole lot when daddy is unemployed or under employed and blacks as a whole are marginalized and treated like 2nd class citizens.

He draws a contrast in the behavior of blacks of 1950 with blacks in the 60s and beyond. As if in 1955 the black community was a Norman Rockwell painting with father in the home dressed in a suit, mother wearing pearl necklace, daughter in a poodle skirt and son dressed in overalls with slingshot in the back pocket. And by 1965 just ten years later daddy's gone, mommy's a welfare queen, daughter is a slut in training and son is a violent malcontent. But here's a question if Blacks behaved so much better in the 1950s and before then why was that generation treated so horribly?? Why would a generation of blacks that was so noble and had such good family values and so earnest in assimilating into society be treated in such a fashion?

10 years is not a long time and well with a generation so that 1950s blacks are the the generation that migrated from the racist south to the north and west in search of those good jobs in factories and such by the late 50s early 60s..but couldn't find any...why not? Was that generation too lazy to work? That's the generation that moved into predominately white neighborhoods only to see their white neighbors leave for the suburbs (I think the term is white flight) what reason would they have to do that if that generation was so upright and noble? Why would that generation of hard working Christian values black people accept welfare if jobs were plentiful in the first place?

Sowell doesn't try to square any of that, he just lays blame on the the people most negatively affected by the society's actions by calling blacks lazy and animalistic and wanting a welfare state. That argument is weak.

 

[Dr. Truth]

I guess putting Blacks as 3/5ths humans in the constitution wasn’t racially based. I’m sure that will be explained away too by coons. The entire slave trade in America was based on race and it’s justification . It’s a fact.

Yet you morons use right wing straw man arguments about the original meaning of “slavery” that pre dates America even being a country. So tell us, why didn’t the British , French and Spaniards go round up Russian cacs and bring them to America to work in fields? I mean chattel slavery in the Americas wasn’t about race Right?

 

[Darrkman]

Correct. The mere fact that these dudes are mad that he said its not race based shows the level of thinking we are dealing with in a convo like this. Makes it not worth it actually. Only a handful of guys are going to add to the convo.

Its hard to think of slavery and race not connected as you perfectly laid out for Westerners. Its fully solidified in these niggas brains. Slavery is "their" thing. White people the same, blacks are just slaves with the ability to do some things they can do now.

I even gave reference to what you said being similar to White Jesus. Centuries of conditioning have solidified that image and there are dudes in here who still see that image when they pray.

Where Thomas is fucked up is he is using that fact to weaken the ability to get govt aid. Black Americans still need so much from America from local city programs to farming grants to of course reparations. Thomas was clearly against that, and i cant fuck with that. And like i said before I see why he is going viral now, but alot of his talking points are still talking points.

We still need to address how Black Americans are the only ones to not get repatriations. And anyone who listens to Thomas now will be able to use his arguments against it cuz nothing has changed since these vids.

This is such bullshit its painful.

This is also a Republican talking point. The attempt is to say that everyone did slavery so the slavery that Europe and the US engaged in "wasn't so bad" and once again that racism didn't exist.

However what the coons in here will leave out is that the chattel slavery enacted by the US and Europe was unique. Most other forms of slavery were based on spoils of war but the children of the enslaved had the opportunity not be slaves.

The difference is that the United States changed how Society works and how Society identifies people who are heirs because of slavery. Until they change the laws for slavery in the United States the majority of children of people were categorized based on who their father was. So if your father was a landowner you had the right to inherit his land as well as any privileges that came with that. However when it came to black people and slavery what the United States did was passed a law that said if your mother, not your father your mother, was a slave then the children of that woman would also be slaves in perpetuity. Which is basically a fancy way of saying forever. So I want to be clear look at the difference now that child is judged not by who his father is, because his father could be a white guy, but by who his mother is which is something that Society has never done. That's just one aspect of it if you look up any slave laws or if you look up the fact that this country fought a civil war just to keep slaves you'll realize that shadow slavery in the United States based off of the European model was very different and was based off of the race of the person, black people.

 

[hardawayz16]

When they tried to keep my kid out of honors classes that wasn't cause of a lack of personal responsibility that was racism.

So you fought for your kid....as a responsible parent. What are you, a republican?

 

[ghoststrike]

Actually you’re sounding like a cracka who starts that but Irish were slaves too where are my reparations non sense . You are so easily manipulated by racist cacs and coons it’s pathetic. This is the exact same argument racists use to downplay chattel slavery as some non racial slave harmony. FOH

The self-proclaimed free-thinkers doctrine:

"But what about my plundered East Slavic ancestors who didn't get any reparations. Do you see me asking for reparations?"

"So, you see? Slavery is not racial."

"All Slavery Matters".

"Besides, I hear that some Plantation owners were kind and rarely cracked a whip."

 

[Darrkman]

If you dummies are on here saying Sowell is a genius then you have to believe that Jim Crow didn't exist. That redlining didn't exist. That forcing men out of the home so that you can get benefits didn't exist.

The mental gymnastics y'all do are Olympics worthy.

 

[Darrkman]

So you fought for your kid....as a responsible parent. What are you, a republican?

They attempted to keep my kids our BECAUSE of racism. However according to your thinking that racism didn't exist.

 

[Dr. Truth]

The self-proclaimed free-thinkers doctrine:

"But what about my plundered East Slavic ancestors who didn't get any reparations. Do you see me asking for reparations?"

"So, you see? Slavery is not racial."

"All Slavery Matters".

"Besides, I hear that some Plantation owners were kind and rarely cracked a whip."

Shits mind boggling. He from the south too talking that cac non sense . He should be ashamed of himself

 

[totto]

Yep classism

these are the same folks worrying about other people who don't give a damn about them. She's correct

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

You want answers, yet you provide nothing positive when asked to do so.
Gotcha, Bruh.

i cant offer an answer to a question unasked.

 

[PsiBorg]

Y'all need to understand that when Black people say they like Sowell it means they agree with the idea that everything is Black people's fault, white people do no wrong and that racism doesn't exist.

Who on the board agreed to anything like this? Give their handles.

 

[peterlongshort]

This is such bullshit its painful.

This is also a Republican talking point. The attempt is to say that everyone did slavery so the slavery that Europe and the US engaged in "wasn't so bad" and once again that racism didn't exist.

However what the coons in here will leave out is that the chattel slavery enacted by the US and Europe was unique. Most other forms of slavery were based on spoils of war but the children of the enslaved had the opportunity not be slaves.

The difference is that the United States changed how Society works and how Society identifies people who are heirs because of slavery. Until they change the laws for slavery in the United States the majority of children of people were categorized based on who their father was. So if your father was a landowner you had the right to inherit his land as well as any privileges that came with that. However when it came to black people and slavery what the United States did was passed a law that said if your mother, not your father your mother, was a slave then the children of that woman would also be slaves in perpetuity. Which is basically a fancy way of saying forever. So I want to be clear look at the difference now that child is judged not by who his father is, because his father could be a white guy, but by who his mother is which is something that Society has never done. That's just one aspect of it if you look up any slave laws or if you look up the fact that this country fought a civil war just to keep slaves you'll realize that shadow slavery in the United States based off of the European model was very different and was based off of the race of the person, black people.

Based on outcomes, the argument is very strong.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

So you fought for your kid....as a responsible parent. What are you, a republican?

no, he's a person who confronted active contemporary racism as it tried to negatively affect his child.

 

[hardawayz16]

In the 1950s homicides were down and legitimacy was much higher but that doesn't really mean a heck of a whole lot when daddy is unemployed or under employed and blacks as a whole are marginalized and treated like 2nd class citizens.

Really? Much less murder and the nuclear family didn't mean a whole lot as compared to today? That's debatable...

But here's a question if Blacks behaved so much better in the 1950s and before then why was that generation treated so horribly?? Why would a generation of blacks that was so noble and had such good family values and so earnest in assimilating into society be treated in such a fashion?

10 years is not a long time and well with a generation so that 1950s blacks are the the generation that migrated from the racist south to the north and west in search of those good jobs in factories and such by the late 50s early 60s..but couldn't find any...why not? Was that generation too lazy to work? That's the generation that moved into predominately white neighborhoods only to see their white neighbors leave for the suburbs (I think the term is white flight) what reason would they have to do that if that generation was so upright and noble? Why would that generation of hard working Christian values black people accept welfare if jobs were plentiful in the first place?

Sowell doesn't try to square any of that, he just lays blame on the the people most negatively affected by the society's actions by calling blacks lazy and animalistic and wanting a welfare state. That argument is weak.

Sowell is an economist. His arguments are backed by numbers. This argument is feelings. Are you expecting an economist to "square" why white people felt the way they did?

 

[PsiBorg]

i cant offer an answer to a question unasked.

If the majority of us feel that what Sowell is saying is dangerous, what should we do as a people to combat it?

If we say that Sowell is a coon, what anti-coon arguments/decisions should we be making?

 

[Dr. Truth]

Really? Much less murder and the nuclear family didn't mean a whole lot as compared to today? That's debatable...



Sowell is an economist. His arguments are backed by numbers. This argument is feelings. Are you expecting an economist to "square" why white people felt the way they did?

Hardacacz

 

[hardawayz16]

They attempted to keep my kids our BECAUSE of racism. However according to your thinking that racism didn't exist.

You assume you know my thinking...because I like Sowell? LOL ok.

So yes, racism. So do you have expectations of your children? Are they held accountable DESPITE the racism they've encountered (so far) in the world? Is it ok for them to fail because racism?

 

[totto]

Personal responsibility is a republican talking point says the married homeowner with a professional career?

Guess there's no expectation of your kids to have personal responsibility, right? Oh, no, that's different

T

One of the problems I've noticed on this board is that if the majority calls someone a coon, people will either jump on the bandwagon quickly, or they won't listen to the subject person at all.

If you don't listen to the person (who's presumably your enemy), how will you ever understand him? How will you ever see him coming at you, or worse, coming for you? In the 1930s, no one listened to Hitler much. But, Winston Churchill did. He tried to tell the other nations that Germany was preparing themselves again for war. No one listened until Hitler and Stalin invaded Poland.

Some of the most brilliant people in history were enemies to others.

The man is brilliant. Will I listen to what he says? Yes. Would I follow him into battle? No... he'd be my enemy. I'd like to hope that I could out think him with the help of others who feel that he's a dangerous person just like I do.

You got that enemy with a purpose mentality, y'all gotta chill with that

Thomas Sowell downplays whatever black issue to make whites feel better, that's really his job but he's a older man and speaks very well so the typical CNN and MSNBC audience don't bash him, they let him down him but he's no friend, he ain't teaching shyt IMO.

You can worship this coon but not me.

1. yes I'm sure other groups probably were slaves and that's fine but other groups got something back, we got nothing, we're told to get over it, we're told we're our own worst enemy Thomas Sowell focuses directly on that. Anytime he's getting interviewed if white man are smiling at him? He's a coon and he knows it.

If bidens 10k off wasn't helping alot of black folks none of these people would care, this is just a battlecry that America is doing something for us positive and people are angry at it.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

It's funny/sad that you can't tell how old some of the videos are because black folks are still asking/arguing about the same shit no matter what decade.

That’s how white people test us: through our ability to recollect our memories.

If you think Sowell is a genius. Good for you. Other smarter people have already rebuffed that assertion and I’m not even going to try. I know moving forward that you’re not a person to build with.

 

[305]

This is such bullshit its painful.

This is also a Republican talking point. The attempt is to say that everyone did slavery so the slavery that Europe and the US engaged in "wasn't so bad" and once again that racism didn't exist.

However what the coons in here will leave out is that the chattel slavery enacted by the US and Europe was unique. Most other forms of slavery were based on spoils of war but the children of the enslaved had the opportunity not be slaves.

The difference is that the United States changed how Society works and how Society identifies people who are heirs because of slavery. Until they change the laws for slavery in the United States the majority of children of people were categorized based on who their father was. So if your father was a landowner you had the right to inherit his land as well as any privileges that came with that. However when it came to black people and slavery what the United States did was passed a law that said if your mother, not your father your mother, was a slave then the children of that woman would also be slaves in perpetuity. Which is basically a fancy way of saying forever. So I want to be clear look at the difference now that child is judged not by who his father is, because his father could be a white guy, but by who his mother is which is something that Society has never done. That's just one aspect of it if you look up any slave laws or if you look up the fact that this country fought a civil war just to keep slaves you'll realize that shadow slavery in the United States based off of the European model was very different and was based off of the race of the person, black people.

Yes correct Thomas point is bullshit. i have said it 4 different ways that including the day one legacy of definition of slavery forward into what is needed for blacks today is backhanded and treacherous.

And Thomas is clearly using Republican talking points that we here today. And again the problem is he is going viral now because these 30 year old videos still have relevant talking points.
Which says volumes of how we have not progressed under our democrat party leadership. We should have the same distain for the word Democrat as neither have exonerated themselves of pass transgressions

 

[PsiBorg]

T


You got that enemy with a purpose mentality, y'all gotta chill with that

Thomas Sowell downplays whatever black issue to make whites feel better, that's really his job but he's a older man and speaks very well so the typical CNN and MSNBC audience don't bash him, they let him down him but he's no friend, he ain't teaching shyt IMO.

You can worship this coon but not me.

1. yes I'm sure other groups probably were slaves and that's fine but other groups got something back, we got nothing, we're told to get over it, we're told we're our own worst enemy Thomas Sowell focuses directly on that. Anytime he's getting interviewed if white man are smiling at him? He's a coon and he knows it.

If bidens 10k off wasn't helping alot of black folks none of these people would care, this is just a battlecry that America is doing something for us positive and people are angry at it.

Explain your "Enemy with a purpose mentality," so I can be on the same page with you. Then I'll respond if I can.

 

[Darrkman]

I

Yes correct Thomas point is bullshit. i have said it 4 different ways that including the day one legacy of definition of slavery forward into what is needed for blacks today is backhanded and treacherous.

And Thomas is clearly using Republican talking points that we here today. And again the problem is he is going viral now because these 30 year old videos still have relevant talking points.
Which says volumes of how we have not progressed under our democrat party leadership. We should have the same distain for the word Democrat as neither have exonerated themselves of pass transgressions

And there it is. I knew if I give you enough rope at some point you'll hang yourself with your true intentions.

All is bullshit about Thomas Sowell is only so you could find some way to attack democrats. I swear some of you dudes in here are amazingly pathetic when it comes to your hatred of Democrats and the people you'll align yourself with to prove that hatred.

What a joke.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

I


And there it is. I knew if I give you enough rope at some point you'll hang yourself with your true intentions.

All is bullshit about Thomas Sowell is only so you could find some way to attack democrats. I swear some of you dudes in here are amazingly pathetic when it comes to your hatred of Democrats and the people you'll align yourself with to prove that hatred.

What a joke.

The question is how do you feel knowing that a brother is hanging with the rope that a black man gave him?

His learned dishonesty was learned from his oppressor.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

If the majority of us feel that what Sowell is saying is dangerous, what should we do as a people to combat it?

If we say that Sowell is a coon, what anti-coon arguments/decisions should we be making?

i dont think we have to do anything. most Black people have never heard of him. most white people have never heard of him. hes not making policy or influencing public opinion.

 

[CptMARVEL]

To be called a coon on this board is a badge of honor. That means you are not a part of the 'go along, get along gang'. Not to say there aren't some certified ops hiding out in here, but for the most part the intelligent people tend to find the intelligent threads and deal with the BS prima facie.

I've listened to Sowell for years. He's not all the way wrong, specifically when it comes to black american culture. This is not african culture or a derivate of africa, this is something that has been assigned to us.

"Yes!!! Yes!!!
Finally, someone who gets it!!!!
This is what I've been saying for decades!!!!
Being called a coon really IS a badge of honor!!!!
Thank God, my message is finally getting through to the next generation of Black Americans!!!
You "New Negroes" are OK in my book..."
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[Amajorfucup]

More of the same emotion and not comprehension. Yall niggas really want to own being the worlds slaves. The definition and action of Slavery has nothing to do with race. But for yall its just us Black Americans and just the last couple centuries. Thats slavery, the end.

The bad (coon) part of the facts he is saying is by expanding the idea to 10's of thousands of years ago is a slavery dilutes addressing it now. "it happened to everyone so get over it" energy. He shows there in a backhanded way that yes what he is saying is true, crackas have enslaved crackas since the beginning of time, but its in an attempt to get reparations off the table. But im repeating myself to people who have no more than one word one sentence emoji and meme responses, and a complete lack of ability to understand.

When Black Americans discuss the ills and by products of slavery, they are almost exclusively talking in context of this nation and country they built. To pretend that isn't the case and include the use of the term globally and throughout all of history is both dismissive and dishonest.

To say American chattel slavery has nothing to do with race is a historical and imbecilic. Anyone offering that as a rebuttal point should be stoned to death.

 

[PsiBorg]

i dont think we have to do anything. most Black people have never heard of him. most white people have never heard of him. hes not making policy or influencing public opinion.

Ok.

 

[geechiedan]

Really? Much less murder and the nuclear family didn't mean a whole lot as compared to today? That's debatable...

I never said compared to today I said it doesn't mean much when your father is underemployed or unemployed and youre all treated as 2nd class citizens plus the harrassment, occasional terroristic act and general dehumanizing depression of living in a place where they make it clear they don't want you or want you to know your place..

lets make it simple...WOULD YOU WANT TO LIVE IN 1945 OR 2022??

Sowell is an economist. His arguments are backed by numbers. This argument is feelings. Are you expecting an economist to "square" why white people felt the way they did?

I would expect a BLACK MAN whose an economist to FACTOR in the variables of actions and behaviors that produced those numbers he's using to back his argument.

Straight metrics only gives a partial picture and numbers can be INTERPRETED any way you want. Did crime rise in the black community because blacks are animalistic thugs or are there other factors that contribute to it. If so what are they and why are they?

Are we looking at straight numbers as if society is a level playing field or are we acknowledging contributing factors of exclusion/discrimination and the affects those things can have on a people?

 

[geechiedan]

If the majority of us feel that what Sowell is saying is dangerous, what should we do as a people to combat it?

If we say that Sowell is a coon, what anti-coon arguments/decisions should we be making?

you fill in the spaces and gaps in what he's talking about. Name calling accomplishes nothing.

 

[totto]

Explain your "Enemy with a purpose mentality," so I can be on the same page with you. Then I'll respond if I can.

What's there to explain? Enemy with a purpose... he makes whites feel good by downplaying certain events, we all see this.

He's gonna downplay whatever ills are done to blacks, if he truly was middle ground he would speak on the lack of compensation we're gotta as a result of our ills, he doesn't speak on this. What is there not to understand here? He plays one side of the fence even if he's correct by saying more than blacks were slaves well what did we get to build with from it?

People who have this ideaology and don't take offense seem to have very distinct views of black people, we see it on BGOL where a young brother shoots someone dudes will talk about the lack of fatherhood and all that, straight coon talk but that's where we've heading.

Progressive, vs non-progressive... bootstraps vs government assistance...

It's a fine line between the two.

 

[hardawayz16]

lets make it simple...WOULD YOU WANT TO LIVE IN 1945 OR 2022??

I want to live in 2022 with 1945 values.

 

[CptMARVEL]

If the majority of us feel that what Sowell is saying is dangerous, what should we do as a people to combat it?

If we say that Sowell is a coon, what anti-coon arguments/decisions should we be making?

Answer(s):
You CHALLENGE it.
You get INFORMED.
You speak out AGAINST it.
You denounce it with FACTS.
You REFUSE to ignore or be silent about this bullshit.
You join with other intelligent people and PROTEST this nonsense.
You do the RESEARCH yourself and LEARN about your own history.
You encourage others to SEEK the truth rather than take someones word for it
You engage him and other like minded folks who make such claims with TRUTH.
You pass the TRUE information/history on to younger people (Young Blacks in particular).
Most importantly...
YOU FIGHT AGAINST ANYONE WHO WANTS TO UNDERMINE, DESTROY, SELL OUT OR DISMANTLE YOUR FUTURE, YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURES & YOUR PEOPLE'S FUTURES FOR THE SAKE OF WHITE FEARS AND THEIR INTERESTS.

Understand...?
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