The Zimmerman Trial: Justice for Trayvon! (Let's discuss it)

[melonpecan]

Aigoo


Besides the cursive point, why was it necessary for her friend to write the letter that she dictated? Why wasn't she prepared to read the letter? What's going on?

 

[BKF]

Zimmerman's gun supposedly had 2..

Zimmerman's gun didn't have the trigger safety that you speak of. His dumb ass friend said "the long pull for the trigger" was the safety. I already knew about the trigger safety and his gun didn't have one on the trigger.

 

[Rick Spanish]

^^^ I watched Zimmerman's buddy on Nancy Grace.. He said the gun had 2. The default, and one by the trigger.

 

[Amajorfucup]

That's rich. I guess I should lower my expectations of what a quality education is. This, in your eyes, will be me "getting out of my small box"

Lower your expectation? No. Change it? Possible. Especially if you equate teaching cursive with higher quality of education.

Could you pull up all the states stats that support that? Seriously.

*EDIT*
found an article

"About 75 percent of second- and third-grade teachers continue to include cursive instruction in their curriculum despite concerns that the artful writing is on the decline, according to a new national survey of elementary school teachers."

The survey shows that cursive writing — once a staple of elementary instruction but long considered to be a dying script — is still alive in many classrooms across the country.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-05-07/local/39084447_1_cursive-second-grade-teachers-survey

Last time I checked 75% is most unless it's means something different to you.

I didn't click the article but im sure it doesn't account for all schools public and private throughout the nation. I was taught cursive in 3rd grade, and most kids at that level today aren't learning it.

 

[jagu]

Although that HAS to be a rhetorical question, I can't imagine how being well versed in a form of communication is frowned upon and discouraged.

Brave new world....

Well versed? ermm.. it's an artistic form of writing in the same English as regular writing. It is useless and impractical in today's world. Why don't we have cursive keyboards if it was so well versed?

 

[a1rimrocka]

Nah Bro, that is so low

Caught me off guard

Surely you know the median (not average) household income for the country is around $50k?

Or are you one of those rich dudes who doesn't notice the cost of a gallon of milk?

 

[TheAlias]

Well versed? ermm.. it's an artistic form of writing in the same English as regular writing. It is useless and impractical in today's world. Why don't we have cursive keyboards if it was so well versed?

I wouldn't call the inability to read handwriting "well-versed". Would you?

 

[Star]

 

[code_pirahna]

Surely you know the median (not average) household income for the country is around $50k?

Or are you one of those rich dudes who doesn't notice the cost of a gallon of milk?

I like Kaya but what you just wrote is 100 percent....

folks don t understand that people don t make much money......

only 13 % of the population makes over 50 - 75K.

only 6 % make over 100K

 

[water]

Surely you know the median (not average) household income for the country is around $50k?

Or are you one of those rich dudes who doesn't notice the cost of a gallon of milk?

Don't drink milk , I eat kale instead for my calcium


But yeah, that shit is very low.

I could see a household making <100k in fl, tx and in the mid-west but in the NE?

Wow

Then the consumption far exceeds the income level and the next generation has to start from scratch again with school loans etc....

 

[jagu]

I wouldn't call the inability to read handwriting "well-versed". Would you?

That would be illiteracy, but the inability to read an optional and obsolete form of handwriting is harmless.

Let's face it. It's as useful as knowing how to read Roman numerals.

 

[water]

Put me in the same boat as her.

Cable news tells you what to think instead of telling you the facts about what occurred

 

[Drayonis]

Lower your expectation? No. Change it? Possible. Especially if you equate teaching cursive with higher quality of education.


I didn't click the article but im sure it doesn't account for all schools public and private throughout the nation. I was taught cursive in 3rd grade, and most kids at that level today aren't learning it.

How do you know this without proof? You didn't read the article but??? My daughter, nephew and Godson all right in cursive and I had to help my daughter with it in the second grade. You're speaking on something with no proof.

 

[TheAlias]

That would be illiteracy, but the inability to read an optional and obsolete form of handwriting is harmless.

Let's face it. It's as useful as knowing how to read Roman numerals.

Obsolete? Okay.

To each it's own. Perhaps my day to day life demands a wider skill set than yours require. Whatever works for you bud.

 

[Amajorfucup]

How do you know this without proof? You didn't read the article but??? My daughter, nephew and Godson all right in cursive and I had to help my daughter with it in the second grade. You're speaking on something with no proof.

No I don't have stats to back my statement. I base it off my observation of family and friends and experience working with juveniles. I find that most kids aren't taught it currently. And this holds true to private, public, charter students ive come in contact with.

Either way, my point is that its pretty common for kids not to write cursive nowadays.

 

[Duval's King]

How do you know this without proof? You didn't read the article but??? My daughter, nephew and Godson all right in cursive and I had to help my daughter with it in the second grade. You're speaking on something with no proof.

My wife teaches second and third grade they do not teach or write in cursive anymore

 

[Drayonis]

No I don't have stats to back my statement.

An opinion.

I base it off my observation of family and friends and experience working with juveniles.

The circle of people you're around is proof that MOST kids in the US don't use cursive? I can pull up 3 or more current articles that says different.

Either way, my point is that its pretty common for kids not to write cursive nowadays.

And you would be wrong, it's not very common.

I just gave you an example that pretty much 75% of children still do. And like you, my experience is different. Around me (little kids) write and turn in papers in cursive. I haven't seen my kid not write in cursive in years. What kind of work do you do where it's not taught? Are you a teacher?

 

[Drayonis]

My wife teaches second and third grade they do not teach or write in cursive anymore

And what State are you in because they still teach it in my state of Texas. 75% of the United States still teaches it. Maybe it's just your state?

 

[a1rimrocka]

How do you know this without proof? You didn't read the article but??? My daughter, nephew and Godson all right in cursive and I had to help my daughter with it in the second grade. You're speaking on something with no proof.

My fiancee is a speech pathologist and it's no longer a part of the curriculum in the county. She didn't really know much about outside the county

 

[jagu]

Obsolete? Okay.

To each it's own. Perhaps my day to day life demands a wider skill set than yours require. Whatever works for you bud.

Spare me the "skill set" bullshit, my friend. I read and think for living and I have never had to read cursive except in old real estate deeds and my inability to write it will never restrain my life.

Oh, by the way, you probably meant "its" Mr High Skill Set

 

[Drayonis]

My fiancee is a speech pathologist and it's no longer a part of the curriculum in the county. She didn't really know much about outside the county

Okay I got you. It's still taught at 75% of schools in the US, while many districts are dumping it, it's still heavily taught. So when people make sweeping statements like MOST I'm like Some maybe but not most.

 

[Drayonis]

Spare me the "skill set" bullshit, my friend. I read and think for living and I have never had to read cursive except in old real estate deeds and my inability to write it will never restrain my life.

Oh, by the way, you probably meant "its" Mr High Skill Set

Jagu we all know you're successful bro, a lot of us just figured most people (especially adults) use it one way or another. Until the chick said she didn't read cursive today the subject was never thought of. I agree, it's not really needed to write, but I don't understand not being able to read it.

 

[SlimKid07]

What happened today?

 

[Amajorfucup]

An opinion.

Yes, based on my observation and experience. As is your.

The circle of people you're around is proof that MOST kids in the US don't use cursive? I can pull up 3 or more current articles that says different.

Did I say it was? I clearly said my statement was based on my observation and experience.

And you would be wrong, it's not very common.

Its not uncommon.

I just gave you an example that pretty much 75% of children still do. And like you, my experience is different. Around me (little kids) write and turn in papers in cursive. I haven't seen my kid not write in cursive in years. What kind of work do you do where it's not taught? Are you a teacher?

An example is not a factual representative of the entire USA. No im not a teacher.

 

[Rick Spanish]

Zimmerman's gun didn't have the trigger safety that you speak of. His dumb ass friend said "the long pull for the trigger" was the safety. I already knew about the trigger safety and his gun didn't have one on the trigger.

Here is Zimmerman's buddy arguing that the gun had a trigger safety...



48 Second Mark..

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/06/28/ng-zimmerman-trial-taaffe-gun-green.hln.html

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[TheAlias]

Spare me the "skill set" bullshit, my friend. I read and think for living and I have never had to read cursive except in old real estate deeds and my inability to write it will never restrain my life.

Oh, by the way, you probably meant "its" Mr High Skill Set

No, actually I meant "to each his own" but anyhow.....

Using different skill sets is not what I would refer to as "bullshit". Not saying one is better than the other, it's just different. Today has been enlightening for me though.

If not knowing something is a source of pride for you, then so be it. I guess I'm built differently.

 

[jagu]

Jagu we all know you're successful bro, a lot of us just figured most people (especially adults) use it one way or another. Until the chick said she didn't read cursive today the subject was never thought of. I agree, it's not really needed to write, but I don't understand not being able to read it.

Maybe she never learned it just like me. As someone said above, she grew up with Haitian parents who probably didn't care about cursive as they did about math. My Nigerian parents were disappointed in me being a history buff instead of liking math and physics

 

[jagu]

No, actually I meant "to each his own" but anyhow.....

Using different skill sets is not what I would refer to as "bullshit". Not saying one is better than the other, it's just different. Today has been enlightening for me though.

If not knowing something is a source of pride for you, then so be it. I guess I'm built differently.

From it's to his? That's worse, so you're not the man of letters that you purport to be.

2nd, you said higher skill set, but you've now changed it to different skill set.

3rd, I didn't learn Latin either and I don't care. I 'm not talking about Spanish, just to clear that up.

 

[TheAlias]

From it's to his? That's worse, so you're not the man of letters that you purport to be.

So "To each his own" is incorrect?


Yep, that's all I needed to see. Goodnight fam.

 

[Drayonis]

Did I say it was? I clearly said my statement was based on my observation and experience.

No, you clearly said MOST schools don't teach it anymore. I was challenging the word MOST when MOST clearly still do.

 

[crossovernegro]

I hope hope hope he gets up there on the stand. The chances of him going up there increased after the spanish chick's testimony I think. Unless another neighbor testifies to something directly refuting what she saw, they may feel it's necessary... but I'm still thinking they're gonna keep him off.

I cannot wait for them to get Zimmerman on the stand for this.​

 

[crossovernegro]

I actually don't think he went out there with the intent to kill. I think he's the definition of a "cop wannabe". Wants to be law enforcement, but got turned down, so applies to go on ride alongs and gets on neighborhood watch. Probably had a collection of fake badges up in his closet so he could pose in front of the mirror and fantasize about being officer George. Then that night, he decided, man instead of just calling it in, I'm gonna go confront this strange black face in my neighborhood! Got in over his head, and fucked up like a punk.

It's known that he wanted to be a cop, so that being the case, he wouldn't go out with the intent to shoot somebody. That wouldn't be something you'd want on your record if you're trying to get into an academy.

Sorry for intruding in on this conversation but as soon as Zimmerman left his vehicle with his gun loaded his intent was clear especially because he was not in any threat until he left his vehicle in pursue of Martin.

Zimmerman intent was to use deadly force.

 

[Star]

HOLD UP EVERYONE !

Whoever she got to write the Letter
1. Knew that this was Important
2. Important enough to write in cursive
3. Was around the same age as her

 

[Amajorfucup]

No, you clearly said MOST schools don't teach it anymore. I was challenging the word MOST when MOST clearly still do.

My exact quote was :
"No its not still taught in most schools."

I subsequently followed that with :
"No I don't have stats to back my statement. I base it off my observation of family and friends and experience working with juveniles."

The article that you provided states in part that:
"Cursive’s relevance has come into question in recent years as 45 states and the District have adopted the Common Core, a set of national education standards that do not emphasize cursive instruction. Cursive writing has been pushed aside by some teachers who opt to spend more time preparing their students for standardized tests, teachers and experts have said."

The overall point remains that cursive not being taught or emphasized is not uncommon. Though I have no concrete statistics that say most students no longer learn it I have stated that from my observation and experience that has been the case. Either way, we see as evidenced by YOUR article that cursive not being taught is indeed a common trend today. Therefore you should probably tone down your shock and awe at the discover that a high school senior is not versed in the dying art.

 

[TIMEISMONEY]

I hope hope hope he gets up there on the stand. The chances of him going up there increased after the spanish chick's testimony I think. Unless another neighbor testifies to something directly refuting what she saw, they may feel it's necessary... but I'm still thinking they're gonna keep him off.

What's this spanish chick's name?