for the most part, i believe her too.
but the more she opens her marble filled mouth, the more potential for her to damage her credibility.
The Zimmerman Trial: Justice for Trayvon! (Let's discuss it)
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for the most part, i believe her too.
but the more she opens her marble filled mouth, the more potential for her to damage her credibility.
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I swear truth is the most solid substance in the world.......
The truth can be made into a lie.
The truth can be perceived in many different ways..
This bitch acts like she's got something more important to be doing than helping convict the murderer of her friend.
Fuck this fat necked ghetto hood rat...
She knows he's dead and obviously she hasn't seen that picture of him laying uncovered face up in the grass
It happens everyday. That's why you have people wrongfully convicted.
Peace.
Teach a class . . . half will look down when the class is questioned.
Watch who takes the back seats of the class. Most will not raise a hand for ridicule of being made fun of for a wrong answer.
That's what public schools do to a fat, black, poor female.
That's what public schools do to SOME black males. Fat, poor, or not. I can thank my Father for teaching me, my mother didn't understand some shit.
Imagine her peers, Trayvon was prob. The only dude that talked to her, and she doesn't even know how to STEP UP behind THAT.
In any event, looking down is typical of teenagers. We are dealing with a 19 year old with a 12 year old mind.
How is West telling her what she said when his copy of the transcript has asterisks as the answer
How is West telling her what she said when his copy of the transcript has asterisks as the answer
White people are all about words.
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Yeah, my mom was big on eye contact, not mumbling and not looking down, when speaking to folx. She never put that in terms of black and white, but some white folx are taken aback when you give direct eye contact.
How is West telling her what she said when his copy of the transcript has asterisks as the answer
they have the audio and a different transcription.
How is West telling her what she said when his copy of the transcript has asterisks as the answer
good point
How is West telling her what she said when his copy of the transcript has asterisks as the answer
Because they listened to the recording, and came up with an interpretation that benefits them.. Seeing as the tape is inaudible during that portion, she has to state what she said, and it's up to the jury to determine what was actually said..
Word.
Most people respect direct eye contact. But a child may not have found themselves as yet.
Most animals/dogs/horses/humans do not like direct eye contact unless you are the dominant leader of the pack/herd/group.
People who know me, know I've trained both. Animals.
It is intimidation to an extent, purposely.
Point is, black women love when I look in their eyes and speak. It's a conscious decision for me.
An when they speak I do the same.
Respect earns respect. So I win.
White people think I'm going to attack them.
Back to the thread . . .
There are 35 year old white men watching this trial who have never been in a physical fight.
West is trying to appeal to them when he speaks as if Trayvon, " Confronted " Zimmerman.
Who would not ask, " Why are you following me "?
But if you're a white man who has lived his life accepting intimidation because of trained fear, well in public opinion, Trayvon will always be the aggressor. Why didn't he just run and go find the teacher?
You dig?
Totally disagree. Her testimony speaks to the intent of Trayvon and how he would have expressed that intent had he intended to initiate confrontation. She is saying he was the victim and part being pursued and has he planned to confront Zimmerman he would have articulated that to her based on the exchange they were having.yes, she managed to ferret out his intention with that.
unfortunately, she keeps digging herself a hole with that stuff about "trayvon would've called me back if he were going to confront somebody".
Disagree again. Nothing she was dishonest about was material to the present case nor does it speak to her credibility as a ear witness the night of the murder. The defense has been mostly terrible and redundant in its efforts to impeach. The prosecution could have and should have objected far more. I literally watched as the defense spent an hour asking the same 2questions in different variations over and over.
Word.
Most people respect direct eye contact. But a child may not have found themselves as yet.
Most animals/dogs/horses/humans do not like direct eye contact unless you are the dominant leader of the pack/herd/group.
People who know me, know I've trained both. Animals.
It is intimidation to an extent, purposely.
Point is, black women love when I look in their eyes and speak. It's a conscious decision for me.
An when they speak I do the same.
Respect earns respect. So I win.
White people think I'm going to attack them.
Back to the thread . . .
There are 35 year old white men watching this trial who have never been in a physical fight.
West is trying to appeal to them when he speaks as if Trayvon, " Confronted " Zimmerman.
Who would not ask, " Why are you following me "?
But if you're a white man who has lived his life accepting intimidation because of trained fear, well in public opinion, Trayvon will always be the aggressor. Why didn't he just run and go find the teacher?
You dig?
I agree....and that is why I already know Zimmerman will walk.......
But I am 100 on what really happened......
this girl s testimony sealed it for me......
the fuck??? are you fucking serious?? dude...
unfortunately, not all people are well spoken. it doesn't make them bad people and it doesn't mean they're not intelligent. it means they're not articulate or well learned.
her close friend was fucking murdered and she was the last person to talk to him. she's fucking traumatized bruh. its no surprise that she didnt want to have to put herself and her life on public display. but she did it. she did it for trayvon and for his parents. so apparently she's not selfish at all.
lastly, she's not used to this kind of situation. everyone's not built for it. and now she's got to be on national tv with a fucking cracka talking down to her. of course she's got an attitude! its very understandable.
dray...you and the rest of these big head ass niggas that cosigned this shit are way the fuck out of line, dude. its not cool to be looking down on this girl when she's doing what she's supposed to do. she made the right decisions and put herself out there even when it was uncomfortable for her to do so. you cats sound just as bad as these fucking crackas out here. shits not cool.
Crazy aint it? I think some of these brothers have forgotten who is the one on trial here. I don't get the constant attacks on a clearly mentally underdeveloped high school student who is apparently a product of poor parenting and education and mental limitations.
its a lot black people like these dudes tho. they look down on any black folks that dont represent the black community the way they hope...in a way that doesn't "embarrass them in front of white people". see thats what this is all about. they all think she makes black people look bad to white people. they're just as bad as these crackas, man. really disappointed in some of these brothas.
its a lot black people like these dudes tho. they look down on any black folks that dont represent the black community the way they hope...in a way that doesn't "embarrass them in front of white people". see thats what this is all about. they all think she makes black people look bad to white people. they're just as bad as these crackas, man. really disappointed in some of these brothas.
So it's like when people say he/she is acting white?
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What White People Don't Understand About Rachel Jentel
A predominantly white jury is not going to like Rachel Jeantel. Let's just be real here.
The 19-year-old Miami native is an easy target for obvious, yet shallow reasons. But let's not forget why she's actually on the stand in George Zimmerman's second degree murder trial. Rachel was the last person to speak to a living, breathing Trayvon Martin. The guilt, shame and sorrow she must feel is something most of us will never be able to comprehend. You could hear it in her voice, see it in her jittery body language. She is feeling the wrath of this highly publicized case.
Rachel was thrown head first into this murder story, unwillingly. And although she had repeatedly said she did not want to be a witness, did not even want to believe she was the last person Trayvon spoke to, Rachel took the stand for all the right reasons. She was asked to by the family of her deceased friend and feeling part of the burden for his death, she wanted to help.
Rachel was raw, emotional, aggressive and hostile, and she was unapologetically herself.
And if the 5 white jurors (excluding the 1 Latina) are like most white people I know, they are unfortunately not going to like Rachel. They won't understand her, especially not her defensive nature, and this will unfortunately work against her. Even though it shouldn't.
I can imagine George Zimmerman's defense is just hoping some of those 5 white jurors have some prejudices (as most people do), or hell, are even racist, because if they are, their tactic to make Rachel out to be less intelligent, rather than less credible than she actually is, might actually work.
Less intelligent and more confused.
Less intelligent because of the "language barrier" and more confused because of the lawyers' failure to understand who Rachel is, where she comes from, what kind of life she lives.
It seems the middle-aged white men on both sides of this case are totally unaware of what Rachel's life is like - a 19-year-old high school student of Haitian descent who knows nothing more than the few block radius she has grown up in. The cultural differences here are exponential.
But if the lawyers, and especially the jurors, were really listening, they would see that although she comes off aggressive, Rachel was consistent. Yes, the defense proved she had lied in the past, but she didn't deny it. On the contrary. She was very honest about it, and even led us to sympathize with her reasoning for it - she did not want to see Trayvon's body, she did not want to face Trayvon's mother and she wanted to wipe her hands of the situation because of the emotion and trauma. She was the last person Trayvon spoke to and she wanted everyone to understand what that means. This is in no way easy for her.
Rachel is the prosecution's key witness, but I am going to call her the misunderstood witness. She holds vital information that both the defense and prosecution need, but these middle-aged white men questioning her do not get it. Sadly both the prosecution and the defense [but more so the defense] have an extreme disconnect from her reality, like I said. The constant text messaging between her and Trayvon is normal for two high school kids who may like each other, the nonchalant use of racial slurs like "cracka" and "n*gga" are slang (as Rachel put it) and that doesn't mean it comes from a racist place.
Trayvon was just 17, his life consisted of text messaging, high school, PS3, girls and not much else. He had a lot of growing up to do, a lot of experiences to take in, so much more to learn, but sadly, he will never get a chance to do any of those things.
Rachel on the other hand will get to, but with her immaturity displayed on the stand for the whole world to see, she quickly became a joke. Maybe we were picturing Trayvon's alleged girlfriend to be a bit different, but nevertheless, Rachel still is the last person, aside from George Zimmerman, that Trayvon had any contact with while he was alive on this earth. Rachel's mumbling, hostility and that reference to the show First 48, among other things, threw us for a loophole, but let's remember, she is just a teen. This is what she knows. This is far from a Lifetime movie, this is her life. In the flesh, but still on our TVs.
I cried when she described the feeling of realizing she was the last person Trayvon spoke to, cringed at her blatant honesty, laughed when she spoke back to the attorneys and even had to turn my volume down throughout different phases of her testimony because of sheer discomfort.
Rachel was authentic, nervous and extremely herself. She did, after all, hear her friend, a minor, get killed in cold blood. And her involvement, from what we can tell, became dragged out beyond anything she ever wanted.
Her hostility is making more sense now.
Rachel's collision with Zimmerman's attorney Don West was uncomfortable to watch. They didn't get each other. I even thought at one point they were going to call in some type of translator. Yes, she mumbled, but the amount of times she was asked to repeat herself, speak up and slow down proved that they were indeed speaking different languages. But let's be honest. Rachel Jeantel's attitude is exactly what I would expect from someone from the hood who has no media training and who is fully entrenched in a hostile environment.
There's nothing wrong with it.
A few different times while watching this trial I've gotten caught up in the entertainment of it all, like a movie I don't want to miss the ending to. But this isn't a movie, and although Don West did kick off his opening argument with a "Knock-Knock" joke, it's not meant to be entertainment. And definitely not funny.
This is truly a life and death situation. Rachel was on the phone with Trayvon moments before he got murdered while walking home from a 7-11, back to "his Daddy's house," as Rachel so eloquently put it. Aside from George Zimmerman, Rachel was Trayvon's last communication on this earth.
This is real. Let's not forget that.
What White People Don't Understand About Rachel Jentel
A predominantly white jury is not going to like Rachel Jeantel. Let's just be real here.
The 19-year-old Miami native is an easy target for obvious, yet shallow reasons. But let's not forget why she's actually on the stand in George Zimmerman's second degree murder trial. Rachel was the last person to speak to a living, breathing Trayvon Martin. The guilt, shame and sorrow she must feel is something most of us will never be able to comprehend. You could hear it in her voice, see it in her jittery body language. She is feeling the wrath of this highly publicized case.
Rachel was thrown head first into this murder story, unwillingly. And although she had repeatedly said she did not want to be a witness, did not even want to believe she was the last person Trayvon spoke to, Rachel took the stand for all the right reasons. She was asked to by the family of her deceased friend and feeling part of the burden for his death, she wanted to help.
Rachel was raw, emotional, aggressive and hostile, and she was unapologetically herself.
And if the 5 white jurors (excluding the 1 Latina) are like most white people I know, they are unfortunately not going to like Rachel. They won't understand her, especially not her defensive nature, and this will unfortunately work against her. Even though it shouldn't.
I can imagine George Zimmerman's defense is just hoping some of those 5 white jurors have some prejudices (as most people do), or hell, are even racist, because if they are, their tactic to make Rachel out to be less intelligent, rather than less credible than she actually is, might actually work.
Less intelligent and more confused.
Less intelligent because of the "language barrier" and more confused because of the lawyers' failure to understand who Rachel is, where she comes from, what kind of life she lives.
It seems the middle-aged white men on both sides of this case are totally unaware of what Rachel's life is like - a 19-year-old high school student of Haitian descent who knows nothing more than the few block radius she has grown up in. The cultural differences here are exponential.
But if the lawyers, and especially the jurors, were really listening, they would see that although she comes off aggressive, Rachel was consistent. Yes, the defense proved she had lied in the past, but she didn't deny it. On the contrary. She was very honest about it, and even led us to sympathize with her reasoning for it - she did not want to see Trayvon's body, she did not want to face Trayvon's mother and she wanted to wipe her hands of the situation because of the emotion and trauma. She was the last person Trayvon spoke to and she wanted everyone to understand what that means. This is in no way easy for her.
Rachel is the prosecution's key witness, but I am going to call her the misunderstood witness. She holds vital information that both the defense and prosecution need, but these middle-aged white men questioning her do not get it. Sadly both the prosecution and the defense [but more so the defense] have an extreme disconnect from her reality, like I said. The constant text messaging between her and Trayvon is normal for two high school kids who may like each other, the nonchalant use of racial slurs like "cracka" and "n*gga" are slang (as Rachel put it) and that doesn't mean it comes from a racist place.
Trayvon was just 17, his life consisted of text messaging, high school, PS3, girls and not much else. He had a lot of growing up to do, a lot of experiences to take in, so much more to learn, but sadly, he will never get a chance to do any of those things.
Rachel on the other hand will get to, but with her immaturity displayed on the stand for the whole world to see, she quickly became a joke. Maybe we were picturing Trayvon's alleged girlfriend to be a bit different, but nevertheless, Rachel still is the last person, aside from George Zimmerman, that Trayvon had any contact with while he was alive on this earth. Rachel's mumbling, hostility and that reference to the show First 48, among other things, threw us for a loophole, but let's remember, she is just a teen. This is what she knows. This is far from a Lifetime movie, this is her life. In the flesh, but still on our TVs.
I cried when she described the feeling of realizing she was the last person Trayvon spoke to, cringed at her blatant honesty, laughed when she spoke back to the attorneys and even had to turn my volume down throughout different phases of her testimony because of sheer discomfort.
Rachel was authentic, nervous and extremely herself. She did, after all, hear her friend, a minor, get killed in cold blood. And her involvement, from what we can tell, became dragged out beyond anything she ever wanted.
Her hostility is making more sense now.
Rachel's collision with Zimmerman's attorney Don West was uncomfortable to watch. They didn't get each other. I even thought at one point they were going to call in some type of translator. Yes, she mumbled, but the amount of times she was asked to repeat herself, speak up and slow down proved that they were indeed speaking different languages. But let's be honest. Rachel Jeantel's attitude is exactly what I would expect from someone from the hood who has no media training and who is fully entrenched in a hostile environment.
There's nothing wrong with it.
A few different times while watching this trial I've gotten caught up in the entertainment of it all, like a movie I don't want to miss the ending to. But this isn't a movie, and although Don West did kick off his opening argument with a "Knock-Knock" joke, it's not meant to be entertainment. And definitely not funny.
This is truly a life and death situation. Rachel was on the phone with Trayvon moments before he got murdered while walking home from a 7-11, back to "his Daddy's house," as Rachel so eloquently put it. Aside from George Zimmerman, Rachel was Trayvon's last communication on this earth.
This is real. Let's not forget that.
Well fucking said..the fuck??? are you fucking serious?? dude...
unfortunately, not all people are well spoken. it doesn't make them bad people and it doesn't mean they're not intelligent. it means they're not articulate or well learned.
her close friend was fucking murdered and she was the last person to talk to him. she's fucking traumatized bruh. its no surprise that she didnt want to have to put herself and her life on public display. but she did it. she did it for trayvon and for his parents. so apparently she's not selfish at all.
lastly, she's not used to this kind of situation. everyone's not built for it. and now she's got to be on national tv with a fucking cracka talking down to her. of course she's got an attitude! its very understandable.
dray...you and the rest of these big head ass niggas that cosigned this shit are way the fuck out of line, dude. its not cool to be looking down on this girl when she's doing what she's supposed to do. she made the right decisions and put herself out there even when it was uncomfortable for her to do so. you cats sound just as bad as these fucking crackas out here. shits not cool.
its a lot black people like these dudes tho. they look down on any black folks that dont represent the black community the way they hope...in a way that doesn't "embarrass them in front of white people". see thats what this is all about. they all think she makes black people look bad to white people. they're just as bad as these crackas, man. really disappointed in some of these brothas.
When does it become her fault?
its a lot black people like these dudes tho. they look down on any black folks that dont represent the black community the way they hope...in a way that doesn't "embarrass them in front of white people". see thats what this is all about. they all think she makes black people look bad to white people. they're just as bad as these crackas, man. really disappointed in some of these brothas.
We can't expect others to treat us as individuals if we can't even see ourselves as individuals. That's not something you always have control over regarding others, but the mentality on this board, (all women are hoes, all black women are xyz) mimic's the white social culture mindset. It is disappointing, but hardly surprising.
the fuck??? are you fucking serious?? dude...
unfortunately, not all people are well spoken. it doesn't make them bad people and it doesn't mean they're not intelligent. it means they're not articulate or well learned.
her close friend was fucking murdered and she was the last person to talk to him. she's fucking traumatized bruh. its no surprise that she didnt want to have to put herself and her life on public display. but she did it. she did it for trayvon and for his parents. so apparently she's not selfish at all.
lastly, she's not used to this kind of situation. everyone's not built for it. and now she's got to be on national tv with a fucking cracka talking down to her. of course she's got an attitude! its very understandable.
dray...you and the rest of these big head ass niggas that cosigned this shit are way the fuck out of line, dude. its not cool to be looking down on this girl when she's doing what she's supposed to do. she made the right decisions and put herself out there even when it was uncomfortable for her to do so. you cats sound just as bad as these fucking crackas out here. shits not cool.
dog, in any circumstance, first impressions are most important.
either rachel is behaving ratchetly by counsel, or by nature, that shit must be curtailed.
regardless, if one or one trillion motherfuckers are watching you, you should display your best facade.
no ifs, ands, buts or maybes about it.
first impressions are everything.
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