johnny ace naming himself as cena's next opponent
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johnny ace naming himself as cena's next opponent
I do not understand any of this.
Rosa needs me to fuck her brains out!
I think the plan is to get every heel to beat John Cena's ass to finally get him over with the fans
Well it's working, Cenas been on a roll since Summerslam. He's definitely getting more cheers
Know what it seems like to me, and this may sound funny but they are changing Cena into a face!!!!!!! Think on it
I predicted that shit after WM. Cena needed a losing streak after losing to The Rock. People who hate Cena want to see him lose and get his ass kicked. People who like Cena will feel sorry for him and more inclined to cheer for him when he finally wins. Another reason I think he should've lost to Lesnar.
This is terrible booking. I don't even think Vince Russo would of booked him that way. The easy money is to make Brock Lesner a monster heel until a baby face can beat him.
It's a dumb plan. So he goes from facing multi time champion and one of the biggest wrestlers ever in The Rock to facing a multi time champion as well as former UFC heavyweight champ who they company was being built around in Brock Lesnar to facing John Laurinitis.
He was getting more cheers because for once he was the underdog which really hasn't been the case since he feuded with Batista.
HHH sold the hell out of that beatdown..you can telll he did since cole and lawler talking in their "serious" voices
I disagree in this particular instance. It's good business to test out Brock and to send a message that no one is bigger than the company. Yeah, Brock came back and got a main event but he did a job in his first match.
No Kharma
That was the idea but the word is they heard how it "leaked" out and changed it. Just fucking stupid. It's didn't leak, you announced it when she took her leave.
That I don't get. I think it would be early for Tensai to face Cena unless he was going to be the guy Cena does the injury angle for but Laurinaitis was anti climactic.
Brock doesn't like that smiling bullshit Cena does, either.
That was a bitch move on Cena's part.
They are paying Brock Lesner 5 mil. to get John Cena over.
And to get better ratings for Raw, some more ppv buys, and some mainstream publicity and he's paying off.
I saw he didn't like Cena's speech and he has a point
BUT
welcome back to pro wrestling, Brock. Sometimes, guys go into business for themselves. He got back some of what he dished out his last run.
I was arguing last night about a few things (other that Amare's dumb ass)
- The person that will get credit for putting Cena out will be Johnny Ace. NOT Tensai, NOT Brock.
- HHH got involved in yet ANOTHER main event feud.
- Cena should have taken a stretcher ride and NOT been on RAW the next night.
- WWE painted themselves into a corner with the match having no DQ. If any match shouldn't have had this rule, it would have been this one. Brock could have spazzed and put Cena out, drawing the DQ. But the reality is that Cena was taking time off, so why not put him out of commission and let Brock run rampant until he came back? They could have sacrificed some one else to him at last nights PPV.
And you're right in every one of those IF this was someone else. But Vince is going to test Brock. The days of Brock just steamrolling guys is over, he killed that when he left. There were other, better ways to do it (and even hinting that Laurinaitis puts out Cena is the absolute worst) but we should have known Brock was not going to win. Look strong? Yeah. But he was doing the job. But for the second straight ppv, we were able to go in and not predict the winner for their main event and that's a good sign.
I get why he would be upset with the post match promo because it does make it seem like he didn't really damage him. I had more of a problem with him smiling while being in a sling last night, it seems like he just can't let himself look vulnerable like Punks shoot promo he just sat there looking at Punk after going through a table. One thing is for certain and that is i would not want to be hit with any punches by Brock because that seems to lead to automatic blood loss
I get why he would be upset with the post match promo because it does make it seem like he didn't really damage him. I had more of a problem with him smiling while being in a sling last night, it seems like he just can't let himself look vulnerable like Punks shoot promo he just sat there looking at Punk after going through a table. One thing is for certain and that is i would not want to be hit with any punches by Brock because that seems to lead to automatic blood loss
Damn shame how they did Layla though. Nice they put the belt on her immediately but when it seems everyone was expecting Kharma, it hurt the moment and she's earned better than that.
Gotta give Cena some credit: this was second ppv where he had to work a guy who hadn't had a worked match in years and he had a good match. The only reason his matches weren't the best on the shows is because Punk and Jericho were on them both and one of them had HHH/Taker in Hell in the Cell.
That was fucked up and how they did her but that's CHI town for you.His WM match with Rock was better than the Punk/Jericho match imo, and his match with Brock wasn't a wrestling match so there's not much carrying there. I give him credit for carrying the WM match though because that was a huge task and he did his part exceptionally well(minus the goofy people's elbow).
Man I believe Brock should feed Cena a whole sack of potatoes every time he gets a hold of him. Watching Brock legitimately hit Cena is the best thing in pro wrestling to me right now.
Not being funny, but what was so good about Cena's performance? He got his ass kicked. It's not hard to sell punches when a 300 pound dude whose stiff as uncooked spaghetti is throwing them.
All I asked was that (win or lose) Cena should have been either helped to the back or carried off on a stretcher, not smile and give a speech afterwards. He like a fucking action figure whose facial expressions never change.
Interesting interview with MVP and Carlos Colon (this is part 2):
I don't blame Chicago. WWE should have delivered what people wanted. Layla was put in a bad spot and it wasn't her fault.
I thought their match was the third best match on the show.
All matches, including hardcore/streetfight matches, work off the same principle of a leader and a follower. There have been plenty of bad street fight style matches, even in ECW in it's prime, so when two guys not known for it pull it off, they get their props and Cena has to get some for doing his part to make it good. No way Brock is leading the match.
It shouldn't be hard but we've all seen guys not do it well, including John Cena. He didn't turn into SuperCena (in the match) and it worked and got him the right kind of babyface sympathy from a hostile crowd.
On that thing, he made a mistake, at least by doing it on air.
But just like I didn't feel bad for Shawn Michaels when Hogan played politics on him, I have no sympathy for Brock that Cena didn't completely sell their match. He was wrong but tough titties, Brock.
But Brock is the wrong person to do that to because he's one unstable SOB
In addition he has a year long contract & is being counted on to deliver ratings. For now he may be more important to the company than Cena in regards to PPV buys and the Raw rating.The more I think about it the less the Laurinitis angle makes sense. He gets checked by HHH for negotiating a deal HHH, his boss didn't approve of & then he starts worrying that either trips or the board of directors will fire him behind Lesnar's attack & his response to get himself off the hook is to to after Cena.
I think Miz may see a face turn in the near than expected future or Sheamus will get elevated some more to fill in the Cena void. I would love to see Kofi get elevated but he will be put into classic matches with guys like Lord Tensai and Ryback.
The more I think about it the less the Laurinitis angle makes sense. He gets checked by HHH for negotiating a deal HHH, his boss didn't approve of & then he starts worrying that either trips or the board of directors will fire him behind Lesnar's attack & his response to get himself off the hook is to to after Cena.
That story makes no sense and it hasn't ever. They want somebody to be the new "Mr. McMahon" and for some reason think that's Johnny Ace.
I can see Miz turning but they have to get him his heat back as a heel. No one cares if a nobody heel turns face.
But Brock is the wrong person to do that to because he's one unstable SOB
Then it's best to find out now if he can do business. The worst thing they could do is job out Cena and half the roster and then when it's his turn, he decides he doesn't want to wrestle anymore. Just like Paul Heyman brought back Sandman to ECW and jobbed him out with only one win for months including a squash in the tag tournament. Brock loses nothing by losing but he gains some trust back with management.
I didn't get that Brock had an issue with the job - I think he has a problem with Cena undermining the effect they were trying to build for Brock's character...
imo the only reason there was no super Cena Sunday night was because he was absorbing some real punishment from Brock, and Brock applied real pressure on the arm lock. (not a break but you can tell there was real stress exerted)- I have never seen this dude sell an injury or anything other than himself for more than 5 minutes.
Cena has put in a lot of work over the years, and I respect his dedication -but after re-watching some old "hardcore" or no dq matches of his against Sabu, Ray Mysterio, and Edge... imo, Cena is a bitch that wants to be liked by everyone, and is unwilling to go as far as necessary to sell a story, a injury, or the danger of a match or situation. I wouldn't be surprised if this dude while trapped in a figure 4 or full nelson, was to look into the camera with a wink and a smile.
imo the only reason there was no super Cena Sunday night was because he was absorbing some real punishment from Brock, and Brock applied real pressure on the arm lock. (not a break but you can tell there was real stress exerted)- I have never seen this dude sell an injury or anything other than himself for more than 5 minutes.
Cena has put in a lot of work over the years, and I respect his dedication -but after re-watching some old "hardcore" or no dq matches of his against Sabu, Ray Mysterio, and Edge... imo, Cena is a bitch that wants to be liked by everyone, and is unwilling to go as far as necessary to sell a story, a injury, or the danger of a match or situation. I wouldn't be surprised if this dude while trapped in a figure 4 or full nelson, was to look into the camera with a wink and a smile.
Totally. I never thought Brock was upset about the outcome, just the speech at the end. Cena did that wrong and Brock was right to be mad.
Even working snug, he's still working. If Brock was really putting it on Cena, that match is 2 minutes long. They put together a great match.
I completely agree with the way Cena handles that but it's clear that that's what they want or they would have told him to stop years ago.
I think that's why Cena apologized before he made his statement, but I didn't feel sorry for Brock. Doing it on the air was plain wrong.
100% agreed and that's why this company is in the shape it's in now, as long as they remain hesitant in making Cena vulnerable then they will continue to be stale. Even Hogan had to lay down for Taker at the tail end of Hulkamania and it was needed at that time. The fact is bringing in Rock Brock and most likely Stone Cold is an indictment on the roster and overall product. With rating hitting lows not seen since the 02-04 years it's the perfect time to shake things up. Punk could've been that guy but Cena is Vince's golden boy, Nexus could've given them a temporary boost but Vince didn't want to pull that trigger.
We keep giving Cena a pass but the reality is if he wanted things to be different he could initiate the change but he won't. Stone Cold is an all time great and if he didn't like something he had no problem pressuring them into reworking things.
But it's all Vince. Cena is the new Hogan. Yeah, Hogan put over Taker but only after interference by Flair and Paul Bearer and a steel chair and after he kicked up from the tombstone. Hulk didn't put anyone over for real until his next run after WCW died.
As long as Vince is running the show, and he will until he's dead or incapacitated, this is it.
It's not pass, it's acknowledging who's at fault. Vince wants Superman, Cena plays Superman.
There's a difference between using your clout to hold someone down, as Austin did with Jeff Jarrett, and actually getting them to change the way they book. When Austin really tried to flex, he ended up having to walk out. Without some strong competition and/or pressure from Bonnie Hammer at USA, Vince isn't going to listen to anyone other than Kevin Dunn and Stephanie and they see shit like he does.
