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THE WRESTLING THREAD: BROCK LESNAR HAS ENTERED THE CHAT!!!

XXXplosive said:
Yes, WWE is in a dip right now creatively but they are still the better product because they tell better stories.
At the end of the day that is what brings in more viewers, not "bangers" that last for 30+ minutes.
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What makes WWE a better product because popular doesn't always mean better.

I'm speaking solely on quality wrestling that AEW provides comapred to WWE. So, I have no clue of what makes WWE a better product that you speak of.

Fuck viewers, that doesn't mean shit because you can have the most views with the product still being shitty but like I've said WWE is popular with low quality matches.
 
HijoDeGodOfWar said:
Doesn't matter, it doesn't enrichen the WWE investors *cough* I mean fans stocks and bonds so it's bad wrestling!
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Right, it's all about making these fools rich instead of putting out quality matches.

That's why you hear people talking about views like that shit means quality when it doesn't especially for a company that's popular should be producing quality matches but aren't. But let's not forget the fact WWE has the most viewers is because kids watch it too when it became PG rated.

While AEW isn't on WWE level, AEW has quality matches that are worth watching.
 
jawnswoop said:
Yeah, people really think they know how to run a business because their family gave it to them without having a damn clue about how to succeed running a business.
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And I can't front if I was Tony, I'd do the same damn thing, but I am not above finding someone that knows the business and use them as a resource. Easiest way to tell this is Tony's wet dream, is how cookie cutter their matches are and how all of their talent looks the same.
 
jawnswoop said:
That's why you hear people talking about views like that shit means quality
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And why they keep bringing up how well a gate did TKO wants their money back! People saying that WWE is for families...yeah RICH families!!!

AEW doesn't have a John Cena character that families can go see (I mean if they did, the IWC would be calling him Great Value John Cena) for a better price.
 
HijoDeGodOfWar said:
Allowing the wrestlers to wrestle, having the matches actually matter instead of being secondary to 35 minute cm Punk promos and 15 minute long ring entrances, the fact that their matches have variety in styles from all over the world, the fact that they actually give you a variety of math ups vs the same roman v Cody, cm Punk v Seth, Rhea v iyo ECT ECT ECT. The WWE in ring product is super sloppy(not blaming the talent, they obviously have amazing talent that's being held back by piss poor creative)

The match itself is exciting, that's the point of wrestling for most who free up wrestling, we don't talk about promos we talk about steamboat v average, Bret vs literally anyone, hbk ability to sell and tell in ring stories.
Unless you ask a WWE only fans and then they start taking ratings, ticket sales, and business like they own stock, they make fun of the fact that in 5 years a company has made it into a comfortable number 2 spot against basically an established piece of Americana. lol what a failure!

And to your last point I hate to admit it but Dave meltzer said it best when he a said



Aew can fold tomorrow and it won't change the fact that it's a better product, that it's existence is good for wrestling and especially for wrestlers.(That fans claim to support but also want to have less employment chances and competition to push the WWE to pay it's wrestlers more) Which btw let's look at the total percentage that WWE superstars get while they talk non stop about sales and records lol they're actually worse than the UFC.
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HijoDeGodOfWar said:
Yes, the 600k or whatever the number is of people who prefer wrestling to talking

And that's all that should matter, again WWE fans only seem to bring up sales and numbers as if those have anything to do with quality! Why surely we have the best president! China has more people! Best country! Fortnight best game ever! And let's not forget the greatest movie ever made.... Avatar! Lmao
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jawnswoop said:
I'm speaking on the fans who buy tickets to see their matches especially PPV.
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jawnswoop said:
What makes WWE a better product because popular doesn't always mean better.

I'm speaking solely on quality wrestling that AEW provides comapred to WWE. So, I have no clue of what makes WWE a better product that you speak of.

Fuck viewers, that doesn't mean shit because you can have the most views with the product still being shitty but like I've said WWE is popular with low quality matches.
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TV ratings and attendance numbers matter, whether the sickos want to acknowledge it or not.
You can't have a promotion if you can't secure a favorable TV deal because your TV ratings are HALF of what they were just a few years ago.
You can't have a promotion if you can only fill up 1/4 of an arena and are forced to have shows in theaters and bingo halls instead.

You're right that TV ratings and attendance alone do not indicate better quality, but they are the most important metrics and indicators of how well a business is doing.
I could believe with all my heart that the XFL and Big 3 have better quality games than the NFL and NBA respectively because they're more engaging with their fan base, but none of that shit matters if your fanbase is small and continues to shrink.
 
0utsyder said:
And why they keep bringing up how well a gate did TKO wants their money back! People saying that WWE is for families...yeah RICH families!!!

AEW doesn't have a John Cena character that families can go see (I mean if they did, the IWC would be calling him Great Value John Cena) for a better price.
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If WWE was creative in making their matches exciting and interesting to watch then it would help their company to go further but they feel they've went far and don't care about creating matches fans want to see because it's all about the bottom line which are profits and views which is why they will keep bringing these old ass wrestlers.
 
jawnswoop said:
If WWE was creative in making their matches exciting and interesting to watch then it would help their company to go further but they feel they've went far and don't care about creating matches fans want to see because it's all about the bottom line which are profits and views which is why they will keep bringing these old ass wrestlers.
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Old wrestlers put butts in seats and spikes their social media engagement. There was a reason Goldberg came to resurrect a feud with Gunther. The Rock comes back, etc....
 
XXXplosive said:
TV ratings and attendance numbers matter, whether the sickos want to acknowledge it or not.
You can't have a promotion if you can't secure a favorable TV deal because your TV ratings are HALF of what they were just a few years ago.
You can't have a promotion if you can only fill up 1/4 of an arena and are forced to have shows in theaters and bingo halls instead.

You're right that TV ratings and attendance alone do not indicate better quality, but they are the most important metrics and indicators of how well a business is doing.
I could believe with all my heart that the XFL and Big 3 have better quality games than the NFL and NBA respectively because they're more engaging with their fan base, but none of that shit matters if your fanbase is small and continues to shrink.
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I'm all about quality not quaintly and I could care less about what's small or big.

But you seem ok with what WWE is doing to continue watch because well they're popular with the most views having a big crowd being family friendly which is what I've said for the reason why WWE has those crowds and most viewers because kids watch it too.

But if I wanted to watch quality matches that are interesting, which I would be watching AEW.
 
0utsyder said:
Old wrestlers put butts in seats and spikes their social media engagement. There was a reason Goldberg came to resurrect a feud with Gunther. The Rock comes back, etc....
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The majority on this hate Goldberg when I used to post him giving it a thumbs down.
 
HijoDeGodOfWar said:
Yes, the 600k or whatever the number is of people who prefer wrestling to talking

And that's all that should matter, again WWE fans only seem to bring up sales and numbers as if those have anything to do with quality! Why surely we have the best president! China has more people! Best country! Fortnight best game ever! And let's not forget the greatest movie ever made.... Avatar! Lmao
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I think the majority of wrestling fans watch both companies, AEWs numbers are shrinking because Tony refuses to make basic adjustments. A mutha fucka can get hit with a wrecking ball, and kick out at 2, C'monSON GTFOHWTBS. The Death Riders story, after Mox lost the title, they could have disappeared for at least a few weeks, allowing time to focus and build something else, again, Tony just can't help himself. They've taken some small steps forward, but he really needs to get with someone who really understands the business, and does not have their own agenda to use him for personal gain, Thats right Chris Jericho, I'm looking at you, and fix the problems that shouldn't be problems.
 
Nochturnal said:
I think the majority of wrestling fans watch both companies, AEWs numbers are shrinking because Tony refuses to make basic adjustments. A mutha fucka can get hit with a wrecking ball, and kick out at 2, C'monSON GTFOHWTBS. The Death Riders story, after Mox lost the title, they could have disappeared for at least a few weeks, allowing time to focus and build something else, again, Tony just can't help himself. They've taken some small steps forward, but he really needs to get with someone who really understands the business, and does not have their own agenda to use him for personal gain, Thats right Chris Jericho, I'm looking at you, and fix the problems that shouldn't be problems.
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See, this is all I'm saying. I'll talk creative all day because that's what matters, bringing up ratings and profit to me is just silly, if tna hasn't gone under then unless Tony(obsessed with wrestling since birth) khan decides he's done are is safe.

I personally agree that mox should have been off air for a while after the conclusion of the run with cowboy but I also like the Darby Allen angle(to be fair they could have just waited a bit to get it going)

Also hopefully Jericho will soon be nobody's problem lol one last run r WWE and then please go home! Lol
 
Nochturnal said:
I think the majority of wrestling fans watch both companies, AEWs numbers are shrinking because Tony refuses to make basic adjustments. A mutha fucka can get hit with a wrecking ball, and kick out at 2, C'monSON GTFOHWTBS. The Death Riders story, after Mox lost the title, they could have disappeared for at least a few weeks, allowing time to focus and build something else, again, Tony just can't help himself. They've taken some small steps forward, but he really needs to get with someone who really understands the business, and does not have their own agenda to use him for personal gain, Thats right Chris Jericho, I'm looking at you, and fix the problems that shouldn't be problems.
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Man Jericho about to come back to WWE, I would love to see him as an announcer or working in creative.
 
I love how folks just assume that I hate AEW but yet I've been to 2 of their PPVs and just got tickets to Collision when they come to Houston in a couple of months. :rolleyes:
Most of the sickos on here have never even been to one show but yet keep praising how AEW keeps their tickets affordable while complaining that WWE is only for the rich, lol.
 
HijoDeGodOfWar said:
Yes, the 600k or whatever the number is of people who prefer wrestling to talking

And that's all that should matter, again WWE fans only seem to bring up sales and numbers as if those have anything to do with quality! Why surely we have the best president! China has more people! Best country! Fortnight best game ever! And let's not forget the greatest movie ever made.... Avatar! Lmao
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Lolz if you replaced China with Japan, I would have thought this was @Mastermind2002
 
XXXplosive said:
I love how folks just assume that I hate AEW but yet I've been to 2 of their PPVs and just got tickets to Collision when they come to Houston in a couple of months. :rolleyes:
Most of the sickos on here have never even been to one show but yet keep praising how AEW keeps their tickets affordable while complaining that WWE is only for the rich, lol.
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I talked mad shit about AEW....and went to a Dynamite show last year here in Buffalo.

I didn't pay for the ticket but still. lolz
 
BlackGoku said:
This is the same issue that ECW had. While staying true to their base, they were not going to be able to expand without going corporate. This is my whole thing about getting some savvy businessmen that know the industry and cant help Tony get out of his own way.
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I agree we as pro wrestling fans need AEW. Back in the day we had a rule of Big 3 (NWA,WWF and AWA) then there was (WWF,WCW and ECW). Then WWE and TNA. WWE needs some form of competition
 
XXXplosive said:
I love how folks just assume that I hate AEW but yet I've been to 2 of their PPVs and just got tickets to Collision when they come to Houston in a couple of months. :rolleyes:
Most of the sickos on here have never even been to one show but yet keep praising how AEW keeps their tickets affordable while complaining that WWE is only for the rich, lol.
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I never assume nothing, show me where I said anything about you hating AEW.

I just spoke about quality vs quantity of wrestling when it came to WWE vs AEW.

Also, I'm not changing about what I said about WWE.
 

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