THE WRESTLING THREAD: BROCK LESNAR HAS ENTERED THE CHAT!!!
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She looks much better here
I agree with Konnan and they have a huge opportunity to cut into WWE market share because of high prices. AEW needs to have some businessmen in his ear explaining to him about what they need to do start raising their ratings. Also, need better marketing just like Vince did with the Attitude era. If they can afford it, buy a super bowl ad and have it professionally done. Need people that you trust to tell you the truth and not what you want to hear.
Haven't watched RAW yet, but Seth Riders??? Is this supposed to be their take on Jon Moxley's Death Riders? Next Seth will be doing unessesary bleeding in his matches and getting sued by cameramen he pushes
AEW can make up ground with the high prices TKO is charging now but it's not going to be as easy as it sounds. AEW has dug itself into a hole I don't see them getting out of, all thanks to TK and those he chose to align himself with.
AEW's issue is they cater to their base.
WWE caters to everyone.
AEW is for the sickos, while WWE is catering to families
Also, AEW ain't going to grow unless they expand their reach on other networks or spaces.
WWE is on NBC (Peacock/USA), Netflix, ESPN, CW, etc....that doesn't even include their online presence on social media.
AEW is only on Turner Stations (and HBO Max for now).
To expand their reach, AEW is going to have to do away with the weekly blood, lesbian innuendo, cursing, etc... we see on their weekly TV. Yeah that stuff pops their base but their audience is shrinking weekly
Television networks, especially those on cable that want to grow their audience, aren't going to want to invest in something that isn't growing.
WWE is doing record breaking business with the deals TKO is making and although I don't care for how TKO is doing business, I can't argue against them, wish I owned stock in WWE/TKO
He's a rich kid that is a nerd fan! Why would they respect him? You can make the argument he's the boss, but that isn't going to get you respect of a wrestler. Homie is trying to be a better Vince, but Vince was born into the business. He just bought one, folks is just trying to get their bag and get to NJPW or WWE
WWE is boring as shit though.
I understand why they wanted to got the PG route but they make these matches that aren't exciting nor worth to watch.
Also, WWE keeps trying to reinvent the wheel by bringing in these old ass wrestlers who are shell of themselves.
WWE has become popular with other national networks want to host their big events.
WWE also charges high ass prices for tickets and streaming services being greedy which could end up backfiring.
AEW meanwhile has more exciting matches which are exciting but they just don't have the same pull like WWE.
AEW tickets are affordable along with them having on a network most people don't have to pay since it's on basic cable.
AEW PPV matches are better, I find myself enjoying the matches more with the wrestlers putting on a great show.
AEW also has diversified talent on their roster who all get exposure on PPV and regular matches switching it up.
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Yeah, people really think they know how to run a business because their family gave it to them without having a damn clue about how to succeed running a business.
With a new business (and yes, AEW is still a new business) if you're not growing you're slowly dying.
AEW will stick around because the owner's dad is a multi-billionaire but any other new business would have already folded by now.
People complain about the high ticket prices and having to spend more to watch on TV, but they're still going to the shows and watching on TV (for now).
The hardcore AEW sickos don't want any new fans playing in their sandbox and just want their "bangers", blood and lesbian storylines.
What exactly makes AEW matches "better" and "more exciting"?
Long-ass matches with a million near falls doesn't automatically a match better or more exciting IMO.
That's just my preference, but according to the viewership numbers, I'm not alone in that belief.
This is the same issue that ECW had. While staying true to their base, they were not going to be able to expand without going corporate. This is my whole thing about getting some savvy businessmen that know the industry and cant help Tony get out of his own way.
I haven't watched AEW in a minute but I think the finishes and near falls are becoming unreal now. Like how many GTS and crossroads does it take to beat someone. I understand if you're fighting Kane or undertaker but you hit Seth Rollins with a gts twice...that should be a wrap. I actually wish there were more submission finishes. The ankle lock was simple but Kurt Angle made it look painful.
But what makes WWE more exciting because they're just popular, I wouldn't have waste my money on a lot of theses WWE PPV's which is why I'm glad IPTV exist.
Yeah, the matches are long, but fans don't seem to have a problem with it.
WWE got a lot of talent they don't even use especially the young ones that should get more exposure but don't.
Unless tony want to put his pride to the side to accept help.
For me, WWE creating PLEs just to put on the same weekend as mine would be the last straw. WE not a threat, but we are a threat...Ok let's play...
WWE has been going too far with having wrestling almost everyday, most of those matches nobody cares to watch them the same way when it comes to Monday night RAW & Smackdown because I really stay to watch because of the women wrestling and they seem to be doing better than the men with their matches but there's more women wrestlers who should get more exposure but don't which is a problem.
Technically, they could create 2 more brands to get the ones deserving on screen and build more stars because there seems to be a logjam in the middle and something is a miss because they aren't creating new stars. I like Lyra Valkyra but she's not a big enough star to be fighting with becky lynch like that imo. If you're bring back older stars, use them to build up the newer stars. Like why is John Cena fighting Logan Paul. He can be here today and gone tomorrow. Why not have him feud with someone like Damien Priest or some of the younger talent like Trick Williams as a One Off, just to see how they do.
Right, see what I mean us fans can create better matches with finding the talent that would match up with another wrestler to make it fun and interesting to watch but the people behind the scenes aren't creative enough and seem to just reshuffle matches with the same wrestlers with a sprinkle here and there with a different wrestler which is why WWE is boring.
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AEW is not a threat to WWE.
Anyone bitching about WWE running shows the same time as AEW isn't paying attention.
TNA runs shows (PPV's) on Fridays, the same time as Smackdown. No one complains about this.
WWE is running those shows the same day as AEW, not because WWE fears AEW, but because they are in the business of keeping eyes on their (WWE) product. That and it's a troll by TKO.
Allowing the wrestlers to wrestle, having the matches actually matter instead of being secondary to 35 minute cm Punk promos and 15 minute long ring entrances, the fact that their matches have variety in styles from all over the world, the fact that they actually give you a variety of math ups vs the same roman v Cody, cm Punk v Seth, Rhea v iyo ECT ECT ECT. The WWE in ring product is super sloppy(not blaming the talent, they obviously have amazing talent that's being held back by piss poor creative)
The match itself is exciting, that's the point of wrestling for most who free up wrestling, we don't talk about promos we talk about steamboat v average, Bret vs literally anyone, hbk ability to sell and tell in ring stories.
Unless you ask a WWE only fans and then they start taking ratings, ticket sales, and business like they own stock, they make fun of the fact that in 5 years a company has made it into a comfortable number 2 spot against basically an established piece of Americana. lol what a failure!
And to your last point I hate to admit it but Dave meltzer said it best when he a said
Aew can fold tomorrow and it won't change the fact that it's a better product, that it's existence is good for wrestling and especially for wrestlers.(That fans claim to support but also want to have less employment chances and competition to push the WWE to pay it's wrestlers more) Which btw let's look at the total percentage that WWE superstars get while they talk non stop about sales and records lol they're actually worse than the UFC.
Which fans exactly are you referring to? The 600k (and dropping) sickos that tune in every week no matter what?
Yes, WWE is in a dip right now creatively but they are still the better product because they tell better stories.
At the end of the day that is what brings in more viewers, not "bangers" that last for 30+ minutes.
Nope and it's actually better for aew, not a determent as it gets eyes on both product. Competition is a good thing but then again so is this internet aew vs WWE tribalism lol hell the more WWE counter programed the more I personally paid attention to aew.
Only dorks on the internet think a gigantic company acknowledging you in any way is a bad thing instead of an opportunity to use that attention to do business
Yes, the 600k or whatever the number is of people who prefer wrestling to talking
And that's all that should matter, again WWE fans only seem to bring up sales and numbers as if those have anything to do with quality! Why surely we have the best president! China has more people! Best country! Fortnight best game ever! And let's not forget the greatest movie ever made.... Avatar! Lmao
Every WWE fan/investors favorite wrestler lol
I'm speaking on the fans who buy tickets to see their matches especially PPV.