The Types that Join the ARMY

Untill One Of You Has Been To Iraq, You Really Shouldn't Talk Poorly About The Mentality That Manages To Bring Soldiers Home. IT'S A SURVIVAL TECHNIQUE.

WATCH WHEN THEY COME HOME. THERE WILL BE MANY UNHAPPY W THE GOVERNMENT.

As A SOldier, You Have No Choice But Believe The Hype...to Survive.

The Soldier Who Is All Shaky, Doubt His Cause To Be There Etc Is The Soldier That Doesnt Come Home That Night.



It's Truth That The Soldier Shouldn't Be There In The First Place. The Poor People Always Get The Blunt End Of The Stick While The Rich Pull The Strings.

Ps. Many Middle Class People Go.. But The Poor Make Up The Majority. Truth.
 
bromack1 said:
In case you didn't know.... every one in the military isn't in the infantry. I was in the air force... my duties centered around aircraft maintenance. Planes are like cars.... maintenance is just as important as the mission.

Career choices are individual matters. If a man feels like he wants a military career, then who are you to challenge and disuade him. You should keep your mouth shut and hope for the best.

Besides, I don't hear you "braggin" about what you "decided" to do with "your" life.

i know everybody isnt infantry
your recruiters made me well aware of it
dont get me wrong i'm not knocking how u eat
i'm just sayin at the end of the day it cant be me
and keep my mouth shut and hope for the best what is that about
did i touch a nerve?
 
Deacs said:
Its rare that anyone from birth knows what they are going to do, like people come sprouting out of their momma's pussy saying 'I'm gonna swing on dicks on camera and you could download my video on BGOL'.

2-Obviously, the only poor arguments that you have to military service is finding Bin-Laden? We are talking about military service, joining the military, or those in the military, what does finding Bin Laden, or a political issue as to why soldiers are in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc got to do with the soldiers... do you think they hopped a greyhound on their own from the Port Authority?

3-Like all documents which are used to describe this country, it is ammended to fit what this country is all about... in fact, when they spoke of citizen and rights when this country was created, they were speaking of only WASP land owners, which meant that the fools which rented/share cropped didn't have rights. Hell, Asians were the last to fall to legitimized or legislation racism which had to be amended.

4-So in addition to not understanding what all service men do other than what you seen on movies and G.I.Joe, the only thing you understood vaguely was compensation for disabled veterans who represented you way of life and being and the rights which you hold dear as your point?


I'm not sure of your education level or what spawned you, but I see by your arguments that if this is the best argument you could come up, then points 1 - 3 could go unanswered.

If you have visited another country which doesn't allows the freedoms which you hold so dear in order to say that half retarded spew you took the time to write. You would know that N. Korea still sends your family the bill for the bullet they use to end your life with for saying idiotic comments which you stated. That formerly in Iraq, you would also be dead, in the Sudan, you would simply be hacked, and the former USSR would send you to work in camps to pay your offense off.

But seeing that you actually took the time to write down what a recruiter told you, which is actually true.. to prove your point only aids in our opinion.

You are undisciplined :smh:

1. u got that 1
2.aint the point of the military is to protect this 'oh so great land'? so if finding bin-laden aint priority what is it? ya'll just fighting for gas for suv's my nigga wake up
3. like i said if this country had a reason to even create an amendment for freedom for my black people fuck em we shoulda been free from 21 jump street
4. i have no idea what everybody in the military does, and nor do i have a desire to find out based on the bullshit this govt runs on people point blank.

and as far as my education level i have a college degree and 1 country off the top of my head i been to that aint got half the shit we got is haiti so i know what time it is actually i been to plenty countries that aint got shit whether u believe or not its nothing
and u calling me undisciplined is a compliment....i dont need to be "disciplined" because i'm a grown man who can speak my mind and does not need brainwashing as the military requires.....children get disciplined my nigga
 
bromack1 said:
Besides, I don't hear you "braggin" about what you "decided" to do with "your" life.

i have no reason to brag to anybody it aint that serious...but i love my job and even though its not perfect i wouldnt trade it for anything....actually let me not say my job but my career...fuck i'ma brag i'm on my way to partner...did the military provide you with a career? or u gonna do your 20 and get that check....ballin' :cool:
 
checkcashing said:
i have no reason to brag to anybody it aint that serious...but i love my job and even though its not perfect i wouldnt trade it for anything....actually let me not say my job but my career...fuck i'ma brag i'm on my way to partner...did the military provide you with a career? or u gonna do your 20 and get that check....ballin' :cool:

Well that's fine if you have a job or career you are happy with.... just out of curiosity .... what is it???????

Besides.... I only did a four year tour.... after that, I went on to college with my GI Bill....I finished from UGA Business School...

Again, just curious.... what are you doing with yourself?????
 
Whats going on brovas...Just to chime in I do agree with some of the posters here...Right now Im serving in the United States Marine Corps..I had a college degree before hand, worked in corporate america as a management trainee and left that because honestly corporate america isnt for me...I decided to join the military (Marines) and went enlisted for personal reasons...was it a bold move at the age of 23:yes...Did I want to proudly serve my country: yes..Was it an dumbass idea: ABSO-FUCKIN-LUTELY..actually its not all that bad once I got to the fleet, my command is coo and my complaints are minimal since Im doing Signals Intel...whats funny is since I am in the Marines people automatically think I will be going to Iraq and to there surprise I wont ever be seeing the light of day over there because the higher ups took my battalion out of the Iraq rotation since we are stationed here in hawaii and want us to focus on the asian pacific countries...Just like any job or business, military recruiters are trying to sell you on what would be great about joining the military of course...They wont...well I take that back my recruiter was honest about the high possibility of me going to Iraq...just hasn't happened to date...If a person is willing to put up with the bullshit then the benefits are pretty good in terms of education, et other things...My suggestion to anybody who is thinking about joining or knows a loved one/friend who wants to join is to research and ask questions...Shit Ill tell a person all day why they need to join the navy, air force, or coast guard...And really a person can do themselves a lot of service by signing an unfucked contract...I dont have regrets...I just tell people that the only difference between military and corporate america is that in corporate america, when you get tired of the bullshit you can put in your two weeks and through the peace sign...
 
bromack1 said:
Well that's fine if you have a job or career you are happy with.... just out of curiosity .... what is it???????

Besides.... I only did a four year tour.... after that, I went on to college with my GI Bill....I finished from UGA Business School...

Again, just curious.... what are you doing with yourself?????

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suprem_1 said:
Where the FUCK do you work???

well i work in a hotel thats owned by Robert Johnson..so i really work for a black man.
but that dont really matter
ive worked for white men before...but be assured it wasnt a job whereas i had 2 go to kill people or disturb other peopls lives in order to make some white man rich.
i think the reason alot of u veterns get offended by the "types that join the army" comments is because deep inside...once u found out the truth of what u was really fighting for..u felt like an ass...and indeed u should feel that way.
Live And Learn Brotha!!
America had been under serious attacks thoughout war history...but if u really investigate.....majority of the wars...especially the most recent one's, were plain bs.
i commend u on ur Bravery???
if thats why u joined.
but u could have saved that energy for something more important.
much luv to u....but whateva u was fighting for was really no benefit to u or your brothas an sistas
 
Army Recruiters Turn to Harlem High Schools

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Activists Accuse Military of Targeting Minority Youth Population in Enlistment Campaign
By Carly Katz

In the eyes of the law, military recruiters can have as much of a presence in high schools as college recruiters and prospective employers.

But according to activists and advocacy organizations, military recruiters have set up shop in local high schools where there are disproportionate minority populations, and they often aggressively target minority youth in their enlistment campaigns.

"You fish where the fish are," said Rep. Charles Rangel, D-NY,, who received several questions and concerns about military recruiters in high schools from parents and Harlem residents at a recent town hall meeting at a 155th Street church. In the case of recruitment, the fish are students in rural and inner-city areas-places with high unemployment rates "where young people don't have much of an opportunity," he said.

Lionelle Hamanaka, a member of Military Families Speak Out, an anti-Iraq War organization, was present at the town hall, and agreed. "I grew up in Harlem, and people in the ghettos say it's jail or the army-that's the cliche."

Some students interviewed outside A. Philip Randolph Campus High School on 135th Street were quite conscious of the presence of military recruiters within school walls.

"It's harassment because you can't walk through the hallway without them saying things to you," said Clifton Feurtado, 18 and a senior at A. Philip Randolph, where he says army recruiters approach students in the halls and sit in the guidance office.

Recruiters also pressure students, according to Donny Jackson, 17 and also a senior, who added that they may make remarks such as: "What if you don't have enough [money for college]? What's your plan?"

Representatives for the U.S. Army say that they are within their rights when they visit high schools in Harlem. Captain Charles Jaquillard, commander at the U.S. Army Recruiting Company location on 22nd Street, said the army "targets every demographic." He added, "there's something in it [the army] for anybody," whether it be patriotism, money, or education.

The benefits of army enlistment-help paying for college via the Montgomery G.I. Bill, a steady income, and job networking after discharge with the help of the Partnership for Youth Success Program-can be tempting, especially for low-income high school students.

Matt Sanchez, GS and a member of Columbia MilVets who joined the military after Sept. 11, 2001, said recruiters "will target people who are looking for an alternative to going straight to college, and often those people are minorities." Sanchez received national media attention last year after allegedly being confronted at Activites Day of 2005 by members of the Columbia chapter of the International Socialist Organization, who he said questioned his status as a minority in the military. On the subject of military recruitment, he said that college is not an expectation within some communities and that the military offers "an education that you simply can't get on a college campus."

But Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, said that the U.S. Army employs marketing materials designed specifically to appeal to ethnic and minority groups.

The Department of Defense measures youth opinions of the military every six months and gathers statistics about racial, ethnic, and gender groups' propensity to enlist. The most recent report, issued in June 2005, states that the low propensity of minority groups to join the military "continues to be troubling" and mentions that military recruitment campaigns are important to promoting positive attitudes about the military, which increases the likelihood that civilians will enlist.


But Lieberman said, "there's something wrong, I think, with preying on vulnerabilities and perpetuating stereotypes in order to get people to fight in Iraq."

Under the No Child Left Behind Act, the military can request the contact information of any student who doesn't complete an opt-out form, which can be signed by parents at the beginning of the school year. In a settlement of a recent lawsuit filed by the NYCLU, the Department of Defense agreed to limit the amount of time it would keep students' information and agreed to no longer collect students' Social Security numbers. But the case was unsuccessful at getting the defense department to stop collecting information about students' ethnicities and races. The NYCLU contended in a January 2007 response to the settlement that "the DOD's resistance stems from the military's on-going efforts to target racial and ethnic minorities."

Some students at A. Philip Randolph Campus High School said that they had never heard of the opt-out option.
 
chitownheadbusta said:
i think the reason alot of u veterns get offended by the "types that join the army" comments is because deep inside...once u found out the truth of what u was really fighting for..u felt like an ass...and indeed u should feel that way.
Live And Learn Brotha!!
America had been under serious attacks thoughout war history...but if u really investigate.....majority of the wars...especially the most recent one's, were plain bs.
i commend u on ur Bravery???
if thats why u joined.
but u could have saved that energy for something more important.
much luv to u....but whateva u was fighting for was really no benefit to u or your brothas an sistas

good job on that chi-town

us civilians aint knockin u once again if thats what u had 2 do
but to me the military and the government = deception
i aint fuckin wit it
 
chitownheadbusta said:
well i work in a hotel thats owned by Robert Johnson..so i really work for a black man.
but that dont really matter
ive worked for white men before...but be assured it wasnt a job whereas i had 2 go to kill people or disturb other peopls lives in order to make some white man rich.
i think the reason alot of u veterns get offended by the "types that join the army" comments is because deep inside...once u found out the truth of what u was really fighting for..u felt like an ass...and indeed u should feel that way.
Live And Learn Brotha!!
America had been under serious attacks thoughout war history...but if u really investigate.....majority of the wars...especially the most recent one's, were plain bs.
i commend u on ur Bravery???
if thats why u joined.
but u could have saved that energy for something more important.
much luv to u....but whateva u was fighting for was really no benefit to u or your brothas an sistas


No one is offended, well at least I'm not i'm just trying to share my point of view with some of the misguided people on this board. At the end of the day our money does not end up in the hands of a Black man, why? Because we do not own any banks, fortune 500 companies etc. and the ones that do eventually end up selling them to big corporations owned by whites,(ie. famous amos). African Americans are slowly getting there, but until we wake up and realize that we have no control of our money, mortgages, cars we buy or food we eat, we will always be 1 step behind everyone else. Its easy to sit back and fault and critique every black person about the way they live their lives. But ask your self what am I doing thats better? Why would you want to stop an African American from doing what he or she wanted in life? Look around the "whites only", "No coloreds allowed" and "blacks to the back of the bus" signs are down. As I tell the 7 people working for me 5 white, 1 black and 1 hispanic, anyone can complain but the one that brings a solution is the one that gets heard.
 
Its good to see that Brothers and sisters are now telling these white folks to go and fuck themselves in those stupid wars. I am always curious on why they are more interested in recruiting blacks...fuck it now Blacks want to push pens and some see they have more options than fighting in a WHITEYS military

nice one



Military sees big decline in black enlistees
Iraq war cited in 58% drop since 2000


By Joseph Williams and Kevin Baron, Globe Staff and Globe Correspondent | October 7, 2007

WASHINGTON - African-Americans, whose longstanding relationship with the US military helped them prove their abilities and offered a way to get ahead, have turned away from the armed forces in record numbers since 2000, a period covering the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and the start of the Iraq war.

Defense Department statistics show the number of young black enlistees has fallen by more than 58 percent since fiscal year 2000. The Army in particular has been hit hard: In fiscal year 2000, according to the Pentagon statistics, more than 42,000 black men and women applied to enlist; in fiscal year 2005, the most recent for which a racial breakdown is available, just over 17,000 signed up.

The unpopular Iraq war is the biggest reason, according to military analysts, Pentagon surveys, and interviews with young African-Americans. But they say mistrust of the Bush administration is adding to the problem - along with the notion that black soldiers are being steered to combat jobs, a lingering perception from the Vietnam War.

The decline in enlistment applications among blacks is by far the fastest of any demographic group. Between fiscal 2000 and 2005, white applicants declined by more than 10 percent. Hispanic applicants dropped by almost 7 percent.

The Army Recruiting Command acknowledged that the Iraq war has presented special challenges in the African-American community, but said it continues to reach out to black recruits.

"The main thing everyone has to realize is that an all-volunteer force is just that," said S. Douglas Smith, public affairs officer for the US Army Recruiting Command. "We try to make sure we communicate to every part of society and let them know what we have to offer. We try to be as open as we can about the risk of service and the benefits of service. After that, it's a matter of people choosing if they want to come in and serve."

But some military specialists worry that the trend could persist long after the current administration and war are over.

"African-Americans have been such a key part of the modern military," said Michael O'Hanlon, military analyst for the liberal-leaning Brookings Institution. "There's obviously been a degree where the black community in the United States has seen [military service] as culturally valuable and promoted it. That whole culture and value system is at risk in the black community. That is a big, big change. To me, it portends the possibility of a longer-term loss of interest. It can be tough to get it back."

Interviews with young African-Americans confirmed a lack of faith in the president and the war.

Nathaniel Daley, a young African-American from Atlantic City, N.J., said he doesn't believe in the Iraq war and won't enlist because of it. Daley, 28, and two friends, Brian Jackson, 27, and Eddie Mickle Jr., 26, talked one recent afternoon at the Pentagon City Mall in Arlington, Va., a vast shopping complex just blocks from the military's nerve center. As they talked, uniformed servicemen and women, some wearing battle fatigues, passed by.

In high school during the late 1990s, Daley said, he signed a letter of intent to join the Army upon graduation, "to pay for my college, get a better job, and better myself." He said he broke that commitment for a higher-paying job at a nearby casino.

Though the Army would likely consider them ideal recruits - young, fit, high school-educated - each said the Iraq war and Bush's presidency, particularly after the Hurricane Katrina disaster in 2005, has kept them out of uniform.

"Why would we go over there and help them [Iraqis], when [the US government] can't help us over here?" he said, referring to the cleanup after Katrina.

The war "is unnecessary," Jackson said. "It's not our war. We got our own war here, just staying alive," he added, noting his hometown of Philadelphia has racked up more than 200 homicides so far this year, most involving young black men.

Eager to bolster its stretched-thin ranks - and meet a congressional mandate to increase its force by about 65,000 troops within five years - the Army has launched an aggressive recruiting campaign targeted at young black people like Daley and his friends, with ads featuring a young black man convincing his parents that enlistment is a good choice. The Army has also raised its enlistment bonuses, highlighted its access to college tuition money, and loosened its age and physical fitness standards.

But Damon Wright, a senior at Anacostia High School in Southeast Washington, was not impressed. "There's no guarantee I wouldn't have to go over there," he said. "I'm trying to play football in college. I might go over there and lose a leg."

The Pentagon and military analysts say the downturn in enlistments partly reflects the fact that young African-Americans have broader options, pointing to the growing number of black students in college. But the decrease in enlistment also comes amid high dropout rates among African-American youths and a 7.7 percent unemployment rate in the black community, almost twice that of whites.

Negative opinions about Iraq - and attitudes like Wright's - have overshadowed the military's efforts to highlight the positives about military service.

A recent CBS News poll showed 83 percent of African-American respondents said the Iraq invasion was a mistake. In addition, the president's approval rating has hit rock-bottom with black voters at about 9 percent, according to a 2006 Pew Research Center poll.

The relationship between African-Americans and military service is complex, dating back to the 1700s. Both freedmen and slaves joined colonists in the fight against British rule. A century later, the all-black corps known as the Buffalo Soldiers helped settle the West.

Meanwhile, during the Civil War, black Union regiments won acclaim for heroism. In World War I, more than 350,000 black troops served in segregated Army units but few were allowed to fight, dashing hopes that courage under fire in Europe would help them defeat Jim Crow laws at home.

In World War II, African-Americans were again assigned mostly to support duty, but they made up 75 percent of truck drivers for the Red Ball Express - a dangerous, nonstop supply convoy that fueled General George H. Patton's sweep across Europe.


When President Harry S. Truman desegregated the military in 1948, African-Americans saw the Army as a key avenue for advancement. Joining up became "a way out of a worse situation," said Gregory A. Black, a retired Navy dive commander and creator of blackmilitaryworld.com, a website devoted to the history of African-Americans and the military.

By the Vietnam War, the Army had a full complement of black combat troops, including Colin Powell, who did two combat tours as a captain and major and later became secretary of state. But civil-rights leaders complained about the disproportionately high casualty rate among black soldiers, arguing that the Pentagon was drafting young black men and sending them directly into combat.

"A lot of African-Americans are still messed up over Vietnam,"
said Black. Yet Defense Department statistics show African-American soldiers today are more likely to work in clerical or support jobs than fight on the front lines.

Despite the sharp decline in enlistments, the percentage of blacks in the military still slightly exceeds that of the general population: 14.5 percent in the military, as of 2005, versus 12.8 percent in the US population. Nonetheless, recent Pentagon-sponsored surveys suggest that attitudes among military-age African-Americans may have changed for good.

Adult influencers of all youths, such as parents, sports coaches, or mentors, say Iraq makes them less likely to recommend military service, according to Pentagon surveys. Of all racial groups, African-American influencers are the least likely to suggest enlistment, according to the surveys.

At Oxon Hill High School, located in a predominantly black Washington suburb, guidance counselor Kabir Tompkins is also an Army National Guard sergeant wounded in Iraq. He tells interested students the Army can lead to better life: a good salary, health benefits, and tens of thousands of dollars for college. But their parents are harder to convince, he said.

"They see it from the aspect of . . . 'I don't care about the benefits, I don't care about the money, I don't care about nothing. I don't want my child going to Iraq,' " Tompkins said.


Lieutenant Colonel Irving Smith, a sociologist at the US Military Academy at West Point, isn't surprised the war "has had its toll" on black enlistment. But Smith, who is black, said he fears that a proud legacy of black men and women is at risk, and could be lost in a generation.

"We fought for many reasons, we enlisted for many reasons," Smith said. "Particularly in early times, we fought because we thought we'd get all the opportunities of citizenship . . . The fewer African-Americans that enlist, the fewer African-Americans there are that can tell their stories in the future. The fewer that get commissioned as officers, the smaller the leadership pool will be in the future."


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