The RIAA Is Going Too Fucking Far!!!

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Now we can't even rip CD's we've actually purchased. Hopefully Apple and other MP3 player manufacturers will weigh in on this bullshit.

Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use​

Despite more than 20,000 lawsuits filed against music fans in the years since they started finding free tunes online rather than buying CDs from record companies, the recording industry has utterly failed to halt the decline of the record album or the rise of digital music sharing.

Still, hardly a month goes by without a news release from the industry's lobby, the Recording Industry Association of America, touting a new wave of letters to college students and others demanding a settlement payment and threatening a legal battle.

Now, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer.

The industry's lawyer in the case, Ira Schwartz, argues in a brief filed earlier this month that the MP3 files Howell made on his computer from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings.

"I couldn't believe it when I read that," says Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

RIAA's hard-line position seems clear. Its Web site says: "If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you're stealing. You're breaking the law and you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages."

They're not kidding. In October, after a trial in Minnesota -- the first time the industry has made its case before a federal jury -- Jammie Thomas was ordered to pay $220,000 to the big record companies. That's $9,250 for each of 24 songs she was accused of sharing online.

Whether customers may copy their CDs onto their computers -- an act at the very heart of the digital revolution -- has a murky legal foundation, the RIAA argues. The industry's own Web site says that making a personal copy of a CD that you bought legitimately may not be a legal right, but it "won't usually raise concerns," as long as you don't give away the music or lend it to anyone.

Of course, that's exactly what millions of people do every day. In a Los Angeles Times poll, 69 percent of teenagers surveyed said they thought it was legal to copy a CD they own and give it to a friend. The RIAA cites a study that found that more than half of current college students download music and movies illegally.

The Howell case was not the first time the industry has argued that making a personal copy from a legally purchased CD is illegal. At the Thomas trial in Minnesota, Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, testified that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she said.

But lawyers for consumers point to a series of court rulings over the last few decades that found no violation of copyright law in the use of VCRs and other devices to time-shift TV programs; that is, to make personal copies for the purpose of making portable a legally obtained recording.

As technologies evolve, old media companies tend not to be the source of the innovation that allows them to survive. Even so, new technologies don't usually kill off old media: That's the good news for the recording industry, as for the TV, movie, newspaper and magazine businesses. But for those old media to survive, they must adapt, finding new business models and new, compelling content to offer.

The RIAA's legal crusade against its customers is a classic example of an old media company clinging to a business model that has collapsed. Four years of a failed strategy has only "created a whole market of people who specifically look to buy independent goods so as not to deal with the big record companies," Beckerman says. "Every problem they're trying to solve is worse now than when they started."

The industry "will continue to bring lawsuits" against those who "ignore years of warnings," RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy said in a statement. "It's not our first choice, but it's a necessary part of the equation. There are consequences for breaking the law." And, perhaps, for firing up your computer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html
 
these mothafuckas are stupid, if they would stop releasing bullshit music more consumers would buy their product. not too mention that cds get bootlegged by crackers at record labels before niggas in the street bootleg them.
 
Are these idiots trying to force us back to antiquated technology like CD's and CD players or are they forcing consumers to only be able to purchase music on-line? Will they institute some form of digital reciept for on-line purchases enabling their enforcers to run up on anyone with an Ipod and check for it? Hopefully digital media makers will counter sue for the loss of income they are sure to suffer if it ever becomes illegal for stores to carry blank CD'S.
 
Who needs to rip a CD when they post it online a week before it even hits the stores. I got so much music, I don't need to buy another cd till the next life. fuckem.
 
No matter what they do, bootlegging music and movies will never die...just multipy. Up until recently I was one of the last fools still buying CDs and refusing to watch bootlegged videos. But now...fuck it.:angry:
 
Who needs to rip a CD when they post it online a week before it even hits the stores. I got so much music, I don't need to buy another cd till the next life. fuckem.

Exactly. My iTunes is so full that I make my music COMPETE to get into the iPhone each week.
 
Who needs to rip a CD when they post it online a week before it even hits the stores. I got so much music, I don't need to buy another cd till the next life. fuckem.

I agree. I got all the good shit I can handle. So what if i miss out on the next 'soulja boy'.:lol:
 
And the RIAA wonders why people continue to do what the fuck they want. They think that they can bully people and force people to spend their hard earned money on music when the majority of what's being put out is bullshit. If the music is good people will spend their money. They went after DJ Drama even though the mixtape is the primary reason why the few rappers that have blown up recently got the buzz that led to their platinum status. And now they decide to go after people who share music with their friends. Back in the mid 90's people used to share their cassettes with their friends and no one gave a fuck. But now its a problem because there pockets aren't being filled quickly enough. They need stop trying police the consumers and start policing themselves because it's people in the industry who leak music weeks and months before the actual release date.
 
The solution is simple, stop buying music. Then let the music industry put locks on the RIAA. If consumers were to protest by boycotting all new music releases I bet you the industry would shut down the RIAA. If CDs are sitting on the shelves collecting dust and the reason points to the RIAA and its interfernce in consumer rights, all this bullshit would stop. Some money is better than no money.
 
The only way they can stop downloading is putting music in a form in which it can not be uploaded to the internet.
 
with the exception of ONE album

I aint bought a cd in 10 years


I can't believe they still make cd's....


for what?
 
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The solution is simple, stop buying music. Then let the music industry put locks on the RIAA. If consumers were to protest by boycotting all new music releases I bet you the industry would shut down the RIAA. If CDs are sitting on the shelves collecting dust and the reason points to the RIAA and its interfernce in consumer rights, all this bullshit would stop. Some money is better than no money.

That's cool but the industry is under the assumption that ripping Cd's is how the music gets on-line. They know that if they shut down every file sharing service currently in existence new ones would just replace them. They are desperately trying to stem the trend as close to the source as possible. Since they cannot devise an effective copy proofing method they've decided to fuck with the consumers again.
 
Yea, CD's really don't sell. I buy em if I really like the artist, but artist now are gonna have to start making money by, you know, actually performing.
 
People Need To Stop Buying Cd's And Let The Artists Suffer Cause There Are No Good Music Coming Out These Days Anyway.
 
People Need To Stop Buying Cd's And Let The Artists Suffer Cause There Are No Good Music Coming Out These Days Anyway.

Not true. There is tons of good music. It's just hard to find it. Music that gets played on radios and TV is poppy shit "MOST" of the time, but that's what gets heard.

You don't hear all the creative artist who aren't signed to major record labels.
 
with the advent of the internet these record companies thought that they would be immune.it reminds me of the hoopla hollywood made when vcrs became popular.they actually said the would lose money. have any movie companies gone bankrupt?
 
You don't hear all the creative artist who aren't signed to major record labels.

A buncha hatin ass backpackers talking bout what real hiphop is, and complaining about why they can't get signed, and then if they do get signed, they will do a total 360 on everything they fucking do.
 
If the music industry started putting out quality albums I'd buy. Now we have 17 songs, 1 or 2 good ones, the rest are fillers. Who'd want to buy that? Back in the day you had from 6 to 10 songs. Over half were good with about 3 or four hits.
 
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The only way they can stop downloading is putting music in a form in which it can not be uploaded to the internet.

I agree with that but you know where there's a will there's a way! Some geek will create a program and upload it!!!:yes::yes:
 
So was the dude sharing his collection online? Otherwise how would the RIAA know he had copied his CD collection on to his computer? And if he was sharing, why would he take the shit to court?
 
If the music industry started putting out quality albums I'd buy. Now we have 17 songs, 1 or 2 good ones, the rest are fillers. Who'd want to buy that? Back in the day you had fron 6 to 10 songs. Over half were good with about 3 or four hits.

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The good old days! :yes::lol:
 
Not true. There is tons of good music. It's just hard to find it. Music that gets played on radios and TV is poppy shit "MOST" of the time, but that's what gets heard.

You don't hear all the creative artist who aren't signed to major record labels.

C/S. The industry chooses who to promote and who gets played instead of allowing us to decide who we like. Remember when DJs used to break new artists? It was too hard for them to judge what we might like at any given time so they removed our right to choose by taking over all media like TV and radio and doling out their choices. That way trends don't change unlrss they want them to. It's funny how the government regulates big business mergers like google's and microsoft's but viacom can have a monopoly on entertainment. They shoot themselves in the foot and want us to pay for it.
 
what the fukkahs dont think about there is a lot of GARBAGE on the radio today and they wonder why their numbers are sliding into the toilet.

Also, the same can be said for the movie industry, these idiots don't even realize if they would look at the interest of the buying public and develop a solid marketing plan for personal use they would get more from the buying public at large.

What we have now is the RIAA telling us that we can buy their garbage but if we rip it to an MP3 player or store it on a hard drive (detached from a computer) you are going to sue us for astronomical amount of money per track.

R U FUKKING KIDDING ME!!!

RIAA violates every private ownership rule in the books!!!


FUCK THEM AND THE MPAA!!!! :hmm::hmm:
 
I agree with that but you know where there's a will there's a way! Some geek will create a program and upload it!!!

cosign


The internet and technology has surpassed the music industry "old heads", and because of this they are unable to adjust or come up with a business model that works for them. So they basically decide that the best option is to just sue the consumer? WTF...I dont care how many of those letters u send out, the masses are still gonna dload free stuff.

It would be in their best interest to get some young bloods in their to assist them in thinking "outside" the box on other ways of making money, besides putting out bullsh!t cd's and expecting ppl to buy them.

With that being said, i do feel that there are some profitable models out there, but the music industry is gonna have to be willing to give up some of that profit margin they have been accustomed too.
 
Yeah the RIAA is trippin. create better music and people would buy the album instead of coppin the bootleg. Theres not many cds out there that i would risk spendin 10bucks on and the cd end up being garbage. Then if it is garbage what can we do, nothin just keep it on the cd rack at the crib. What they need to do is a CD buyback program, we cant resell the cd cause thats breaking the law. If they do CD buyback, ill buy the real thing instead of downloading a screening copy to see if its worth it.
 
Yea, CD's really don't sell. I buy em if I really like the artist, but artist now are gonna have to start making money by, you know, actually performing.

You can't perform if venues won't book you b/c you don't have good record sells.....or even itunes downloads. Then you're stuck doing niteclub stops at 1 and 2 in the morning. You've good a lot of venues that will only book Indie Rock acts nowadays. And why even take the risk of traveling when you don't know if the people are going to support. These cats might as well do live shows on youtube in their living rooms. Shit, I don't buy cd's like I used to either, but if I'm feeling the record I'll go out and support it.

Shit I remember when I could see at least 1 hip hop act at a major venue in the city at least once a month. Now, you might get 3 hip hop acts a year and one of them is always going to be that Bow Wow/Chris Brown/ B2K tour shit (kids actually buy shit). And it's pretty much a wrap for smaller named acts just trying to headline....
 
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