The Problem With Reparations!!!

[UnoBetter2]

I know there has been many post on this subject but I thought about this and wondered what other BGOL heads would think.

OK, we know that the argument is against reparations is that all of those that were in slavery are dead and that there are not enough records to ensure that ancestors could receive the $$$. Thats fine but what about the last two generations that have worked in a governmental system that discriminated openly against our parents and their parents. If they worked in the system they got taxed like everyone else but was unable to take advantage of any of the services they were paying taxes for.

For example there was a time when black people were not able to get FHA loans to purchase homes. But white people were able too even though we paid taxes just like they did they still was able to benefit. And to this day much of that same property has been passed down from generation to generation and to this day they are still benefiting. They could never say that these things are not track-able because if our people paid taxes during the Jim Crow era that could be tracked and proved.

This is only one example but I'm sure there are many others!!

 

[SupremoDivino]

If they send me reperations, give me your address, and I'll send you my check.

I'll make my own money. To me, that's like someone getting raped, and the rapist leaving money behind. That's like adding insult to injury...

Nah, they've done quite enough. I can get out, and earn plenty on my own.

 

[Arctic Sun]

The problems with reparations is that there are never going to be reparations for black people regardless of how valid your points may be.

It's a dead issue.

 

[Mr. Bizkits]

Reparations need to be 3 things:

1. Tax Exemption

2. Free healthcare

3. Our own casinos

 

[Clever]

You cant "pay off" 400 years of slavery. How much compensatory damages would a court reward for a single person being enslaved their entire lives these days? Even if there was a way to calculate the labor and compensatory damages it was have to be extrapolated and compounded over 400 years. That number would be orders of magnitude larger than the world budget. Its a non issue.

 

[Mentor B]

Reparations need to be 3 things:

1. Tax Exemption

2. Free healthcare

3. Our own casinos

I remember reading about how a law professor back in 2004 at A&M University in Huntsville, Alabama did some research and found out slaves were used as workers there. He demanded the institution give reparations. I think around $5,000,000 in scholarships were given out. But yeah...ultimately, free college tuition should be added to the list.

 

[uptownharlem]

they give it to the fuckin jews til this very day.. .why not us??

 

[uptownharlem]

smh..... i bet you are a broke ass nigga living with your parents, and talking mad shit..

 

[Buttnaked]

it is extremely difficult to have any intelligent discussion about a concept that is so utterly stupid.

consider: a request for a government that operates a country that is built on murder, deception, theft, graft, & deceit, to be honorable and provide financial compensation to a particular group out of the many that have been a part of a long-standing history of victimizing many for the benefit of a few...

why in the fuck would the government ever acquiesce to such a thing?

besides, how do you determine which Africans are actually descendent's of enslaved Africans?

fuck reparations.

if Africans really wanted reparations, they ought do what Europeans have done to even bring about discussion of such issues:

TAKE THAT SHIT!

stop bitchin' about shit that nobody is going to stand up and do anything about...

 

[water]

they give it to the fuckin jews til this very day.. .why not us??

Have you ever seen a revolution start in the middle class?

Middle class black America, who have the means, are NOT interested in rocking the boat that brings the bread crumbs to them.........


They are content and don't give a fuck about anyone else.. real talk.


If only they knew.................

 

[uptownharlem]

Have you ever seen a revolution start in the middle class?

Middle class black America, who have the means, are NOT interested in rocking the boat that brings the bread crumbs to them.........


They are content and don't give a fuck about anyone else.. real talk.


If only they knew.................

sad truth...

 

[Mentor B]

besides, how do you determine which Africans are actually descendent's of enslaved Africans?

I don't think that would too difficult to figure out whatsoever. However, the latter part of your post I cannot argue with...

 

[Buttnaked]

I don't think that would too difficult to figure out whatsoever. However, the latter part of your post I cannot argue with...

that is why you suffer & your descendents will suffer as well. scared people get shit in this society...

 

[Mr. Bizkits]

I remember reading about how a law professor back in 2004 at A&M University in Huntsville, Alabama did some research and found out slaves were used as workers there. He demanded the institution give reparations. I think around $5,000,000 in scholarships were given out. But yeah...ultimately, free college tuition should be added to the list.

I stand corrected

4. Free College Tuition

 

[water]

hear what......... let's start with lynching and justice for these families since slavery is too far back right now, right?



how about bring these people and the states that failed to provide security, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to justice, I'm sure some of them are alive:

Postcard depicting the lynching of Lige Daniels, Center, Texas, USA, August 3, 1920.
The back reads, "This was made in the court yard in Center, Texas. He is a 16 year old Black boy. He killed Earl's grandma. She was Florence's mother. Give this to Bud. From Aunt Myrtle." As discussed in the article, lynchings were often motivated by economics, or were retaliations for violations of Jim Crow etiquette, with false accusations of murder made in order to justify them.

A postcard showing the burned body of Jesse Washington, Waco, Texas, 1916. Washington was a 17-year-old retarded farmhand who had confessed to raping and killing a white woman. He was castrated, mutilated, and burned alive by a cheering mob that included the mayor and the chief of police. An observer wrote that "Washington was beaten with shovels and bricks. . .[he] was castrated, and his ears were cut off. A tree supported the iron chain that lifted him above the fire. . . Wailing, the boy attempted to climb up the skillet hot chain. For this, the men cut off his fingers." This image is from a postcard, which said on the back, "This is the barbeque we had last night. My picture is to the left with a cross over it. Your son, Joe."

Lynching 1930

A mob of 10,000 whites took sledgehammers to the county jailhouse doors to get at these two young blacks accused of raping a white girl; the girl’s uncle saved the life of a third by proclaiming the man’s innocence. Although this was Marion, Ind., most of the nearly 5,000 lynchings documented between Reconstruction and the late 1960s were perpetrated in the South. (Hangings, beatings and mutilations were called the sentence of “Judge Lynch.”) Some lynching photos were made into postcards designed to boost white supremacy, but the tortured bodies and grotesquely happy crowds ended up revolting as many as they scared. Today the images remind us that we have not come as far from barbarity as we’d like to think.

September of 1919, Will Brown, an African American man, was arrested and held in the Douglas County Courthouse. Largely due to the newspaper story, a mob gathered. Omaha Mayor Edward P. Smith was nearly lynched himself when he unsuccessfully attempted to disperse the crowd. Then the mob broke into the recently constructed building, tearing off Brown’s clothing as he was being dragged out. He was hanged on a nearby lamppost and then his body was riddled with bullets. Finally the body was burned. Members of the mob tied what remained of his charred body to an automobile, and dragged it around the streets of downtown Omaha.
Pieces of the rope used to lynch Brown were sold as souvenirs for 10 cents apiece.
Although some of the leaders of the lynching were placed on trial, most received suspended sentences, or were convicted of minor offenses such as destruction of public property.

http://www.nathanielturner.com/lynchingindex.htm






Laws

For most of the history of the United States, lynching was rarely prosecuted, and when it was, it was under state murder statutes. In one extraordinary example in 1907-1909, the Supreme Court tried its only criminal case in history, 203 U.S. 563 (U.S. v. Sheriff Shipp). Shipp was found guilty of criminal contempt for lynching Ed Johnson in Chattanooga.
Starting in 1909, over 200 bills were introduced to make lynching a federal crime, but they failed to pass. During the Roosevelt administration, the Civil Rights Section of the Justice Department tried, but failed, to prosecute lynchers under Reconstruction-era civil rights laws. The first successful federal prosecution of a lyncher for a civil rights violation was in 1946, and by that time, the era of lynchings as a common occurrence was over.

http://www.ngbiwm.com/Exhibits/lynching.htm

 

[Arctic Sun]

Have you ever seen a revolution start in the middle class?

Middle class black America, who have the means, are NOT interested in rocking the boat that brings the bread crumbs to them.........


They are content and don't give a fuck about anyone else.. real talk.


If only they knew.................

And what class do you affiliate yourself with?

And outside of posting on a porn board, how are you being a catalyst for this group improvement?

 

[water]

And what class do you affiliate yourself with?

And outside of posting on a porn board, how are you being a catalyst for this group improvement?

Why, what is the problem?

If you have a problem with what I said, then share your alternate position on what I said.

If you want to get to know me then shoot me a PM .

Other than that don't try to attack what I said by attacking me the person.


Cool?

 

[TheKingofVa]

I agree, we shouldn't have to pay taxes, should be able to get decent business and home loans with low interest rates, and free college education. They can keep their blood money.

 

[LennyNero1972]

I'm praying for a complete collapse off this satanic system, FUCK REPARATIONS!!!!!!

 

[Arctic Sun]

Why, what is the problem?

If you have a problem with what I said, then share your alternate position on what I said.

If you want to get to know me then shoot me a PM .

Other than that don't try to attack what I said by attacking me the person.


Cool?

Dude I respect what you do. You drop knowledge all the time. I read all of your topics. I just don't see the point in running the most mindfucked portion of black america under the bus every chance. I know cats who have the similar views and when I hear it, I think to myself....."ok...so what the fuck are you doing?" And in all the cases, they're doing the same thing of your average middle class black....trying to work, trying to eat, trying to compete, and then come home, unwind and get up and do that shit again the next day. That's it.....

Not trying to make it personal

 

[water]

Dude I respect what you do. You drop knowledge all the time. I read all of your topics. I just don't see the point in running the most mindfucked portion of black america under the bus every chance. I know cats who have the similar views and when I hear it, I think to myself....."ok...so what the fuck are you doing?" And in all the cases, they're doing the same thing of your average middle class black....trying to work, trying to eat, trying to compete, and then come home, unwind and get up and do that shit again the next day. That's it.....

Not trying to make it personal

Ok cool...............


I think sometimes we get stuck in jobs and not careers i.e. something we love to do.

Doing a job could be exhausting but doing something you love will only energize you more.

I get home at 6pm and have 4 hrs before bedtime to do all sorts of thinks that not necessarily have to benefit me directly and that's not even counting weekends.

anyone who know me outside of this board know that I am the same person with the same views and opinions expressed here.

I keep it real while at the same time I'm always open to correction.

However when it comes to the love of my people I can become real fierce because to whom much is given, much is expected so I hold myself to a higher standard than I would demand from the people around me.

Thanks for asking anyway.........

Peace.

 

[Jack Spade]

Hey Kaya, you hear about the Moore's Ford case?

http://m.cnn.com/cnn/archive/archive/detail/134574/full;jsessionid=7E867F92AF7597F0C72D18B696117166


ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN)
State and federal investigators said Tuesday that they spent the past two days gathering evidence in the last documented mass lynching in the United States: a grisly slaying of four people that has remained unsolved for more than six decades.

In a written statement, the FBI and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said they collected several items on a property in rural Walton County, Georgia, that were taken in for further investigation.

On July 25, 1946, two black sharecropper couples were shot hundreds of times and the unborn baby of one of the women cut out with a knife at the Moore's Ford Bridge. One of the men had been accused of stabbing a white man 11 days earlier and was bailed out of jail by a former Ku Klux Klan member and known bootlegger who drove him, his wife, her brother and his wife to the bridge.

The FBI statement said investigators were following up on information recently received in the case, one of several the agency has revived in an effort to close decades-old cases from the civil rights era and before.

"The FBI and GBI had gotten some information that we couldn't ignore with respect to this case," GBI spokesman John Bankhead said.

Georgia state Rep. Tyrone Brooks, a longtime advocate for prosecution in the Moore's Ford case, called news of the search encouraging.

"We just hope and pray they can bring some of these suspects to the bar of justice before they die, because they're all getting up in age," said Brooks, the president of the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials.

Investigations like the one into the Georgia slayings may have gotten another boost in the past week. A U.S. senator agreed to unlock a bill that would create a "cold case unit" at the U.S. Justice Department.

The legislation is sponsored by Democratic U.S. Rep. John Lewis of Georgia and passed 422-2 in the House. But Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, used an obscure Senate rule to freeze the bill, just as he routinely does on efforts that require government spending.

The plan would authorize $10 million a year for the next 10 years for the Justice Department to create a unit prosecuting pre-1970 civil rights cases. Another $3.5 million would go annually toward the department's cooperative efforts with local law enforcement.

But last week, a spokesman said Coburn would lift the hold in exchange for a vote on cutting Justice Department spending in other areas.

Law enforcement officials say they face a daunting task prosecuting the deaths of Roger and Dorothy Malcom and George and May Murray-Dorsey.

Many of the dozen or so men who opened fire on the couples with shotguns, rifles and a machine gun are now dead, they say. And in the days following the massacre, residents of the community about 40 miles east of Atlanta, Georgia, were tight-lipped with federal agents sent by President Truman to investigate.

But advocates like Brooks say they think there was enough evidence in FBI files at the time to bring a case against the suspects. He said his group has identified five suspects in the slayings who are still alive.

Morgan County chief sheriff's Deputy Bruce Wright said the 12-acre area searched Monday and Tuesday may have once been a working farm. The written statement said the current residents of the area are not suspects.

Bankhead and Wright said a bomb squad was called in to detonate some old military-style ordnance found on the property, but those explosives were not thought to be relevant to the Moore's Ford case.

The lynchings were officially re-opened for investigation by former Georgia Gov. Roy Barnes nearly eight years ago and were on a list of revived cold cases cited by former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales early last year.

Brooks said he and other advocates have noticed renewed activity by investigators in the area since then.

"We can feel their presence when we're there," he said. "Every time we do something, people show up that we've never seen before, and we know they're not regular folks who live in Walton County. We don't get in their way, and we don't ask many questions."

Historians say there has never again been a documented case of as many people being lynched -- killed by mob without due process -- in one attack in the United States since Moore's Ford.

 

[Jack Spade]

Another article

http://www.essays.cc/free_essays/d3/bsw119.shtml

The Long Route Home: On July 25, 1946, two young black couples- Roger and Dorothy Malcom, George and Mae Murray Dorsey-were killed by a lynch mob at the Moore’s Ford Bridge over the Appalachee River connecting Walton and Oconee Counties (Brooks, 1). The four victims were tied up and shot hundreds of times in broad daylight by a mob of unmasked men; murder weapons included rifles, shotguns, pistols, and a machine gun. “Shooting a black person was like shooting a deer,” George Dorsey’s nephew, George Washington Dorsey said (Suggs C1). It has been over fifty years and this case is still unsolved by police investigators. It is known that there were atleast a dozen men involved in these killings. Included in the four that were known by name was Loy Harrison. Loy Harrison may not have been an obvious suspect to the investigators, but Harrison was the sole perpetrator in the unsolved Moore’s Ford Lynching case.

The motive appeared to be hatred and the crime hurt the image of the state leaving the town in an outrage due to the injustice that left the victims in unmarked graves (Jordon,31). Many African Americans lived on farms and tended for white landowners. Bob Hester was a landowner, on this farm the Moore’s Ford Lynching began. On July 14, Roger Malcom followed Dorothy Malcom to Hester’s farm, Roger was arguing with her. According to the original FBI report, Hunter 2 Hester’s son, Barney, told Malcom to leave. As he was leaving a fight broke out between Malcom and Hester. Malcom then pulled out a knife and stabbed Hester in the chest.

The reason for the argument is uncertain although at that time Barney Hester may have been having an affair with Dorothy Malcom. One of the neighbors said that the black community felt it had more to do with sex than anything else did (Suggs,C1). After the fight broke out, Barney Hester was taken to the hospital and Roger Malcom was taken to jail. On the morning before the lynchings, Harrison drove to the house of Dorothy Malcom’s parents, who had begged with him to get Roger Malcom out of jail since the stabbing occurred. Harrison refused to pick him up at first, but suddenly changed his mind. Harrison took along with him Dorothy Malcom , who was pregnant at the time, and George Mae Murray Dorsey to Monroe. Their Harrison signed a $600 bond to bail Roger Malcom out of jail. Harrison, with the two black couples in his car, left the county jail at about 5:30 p.m. on July 25, 1946, and headed back along the Athens Highway toward his farm. Authorities said the route he chose was the longest way home, along a winding dirt road (Suggs,C4).

According to Harrison, when he reached the bridge at Moore’s Ford, a car blocked his way (Rivers,1). A mob of twenty to twenty-five unmasked men stopped him at gunpoint (Suggs, C1). Then they took the two couples into the woods, tied them to the trees and shot them. They were so savagely beaten and overwhelmed with bullets that their bodies were ripped to shreds. “ The only way to tell the bodies apart was by their lips.” Investigator Bobby Howard said. When questioning Harrison he told the local authorities and the FBI he could not identify any members of the Hunter 3 mob or explain how they knew which way he was coming home. No one was ever prosecuted for the slayings of the African Americans and why it happened is left too much conjecture (Rivers, 1).

The six month investigation following the incident that came to be known as the Moore‘s Ford lynching garnered sensational headlines that horrified the nation, but yielded nothing (Ford,1). FBI agents eventually left the county unable to break the code of silence that protected the killers. A state official was quoted as saying at the time that the county’s residents were hampering the investigation by refusing to reveal what they knew (Suggs,C1). Over one hundred people were taken before a grand jury, but there was never any key evidence leading to the murderers. Anyone that may have had information was afraid to talk about the situation at that time. The fact that whites had so much power over the justice in Walton County kept people in fear of also being killed if they repeated what they knew. The day that Harrison picked up Roger Malcom from jail was the day him and his family died, but Harrison was never suspected as playing a part in the murder.

Now forty-six years later there is evidence proving that Harrison could be the answer to justice for Walton County. Decades passed and then dramatic new testimony came forth that shed new light on what might have happened that day (Ford,2). A man named Clinton Adams, now living in Florida, came forth in 1992 with a shocking story. Clinton Adams, who was ten years old at the time of the killings, along with a friend, Emerson Farmer, who is now deceased was laying in a pine thicket just yards away and watched everything that happened. It has taken Adams forty-six years to talk about the situation because he was also in fear of Hunter 4 what society would have done to him at that time. Adam states in front of a Superior Court Justice that Harrison was in fact one of the murderers in the killings (Jordon, 32). All the shooters Adams has named are dead, and he refused to name anyone still living. Therefore the case was still unsolved because of the lack of evidence given to police investigators that reopened the case at that time. Although Adams’ testimony was never led to anyone being charged, it rekindled interest in the case.

The deep emotional and psychological wounds inflicted on the community by this terrible crime can never be completely healed until an honest attempt is made to secure justice (Rivers, 2). This incident led to historic changes that caused the creation of the first ever presidential commission on race, desegregation of the military and passage of and anti lynching legislation (Jordon, 36). With the goal of prosecuting any living person who is found to have been involved as a accomplice in the murders of Roger Malcom, Dorothy Malcom, her unborn child, George Dorsey and Mae Murray Dorsey is the purpose of finding evidence to put an end to this tragic incident (Ford,2). Due to the fact that investigators were completely oblivious to the evidence that was clear in front of their faces has kept this case going on for over fifty years now. Whites had so much power over everyone in town during this period of time that justice became almost impossible to come by for murder cases such as this. “The way I look at it, they say they did it ‘cause they knew nothing was going to be done about it.” Investigator Bobby Howard said. It is quite obvious that Harrison was the organizer of the lynching case that has left Walton County Georgia with little answers to complete the truth, but enough evidence to know he is the sole perpetrator. The facts that conclude this to be in truth Hunter 5 are, first, he completely changed his mind about picking Roger Malcom up within minutes as if the situation had already been arranged along with the fact that he took three other African Americans in relations with Roger Malcom.

Secondly, Harrison took a long route home, which was uncommonly taken for people at this time. The fact that a long the way he was stopped by a dozen men on a bridge fully loaded with weapons and he was the only one not murdered in the car leads to suspicion. Harrison was a white man and this could be an answer to why he was not killed. If Harrison did not have anything to do with these murders then he would have been killed also due to the fact that he could have told police investigators evidence to the murder. Thirdly, if Harrison laid down $600 to get a black person out of jail, which was not accepted at this time in society, it could have led to the closing stages that Harrison would have spent money at any cost to see the African Americans dead. Although Harrison is deceased, the evidence that has been proven thus far concludes that he was the sole perpetrator and if he was still alive, he could answer questions that remain unanswered.

 

[moblack]

If they gave free college education think of how many lil wayne wannabe's would attend.

 

[lexdiamonnyc]

you'll get reparations when the Native Americans get their land back!!



in other words: NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!

 

[UnoBetter2]

I'm praying for a complete collapse off this satanic system, FUCK REPARATIONS!!!!!!

Collapse of the very system your a part of, what the fuck is wrong with you. If the USA collapses the entire economy as we know it will cease to be. We would all be fucked and at the mercy of a world economy that dint give a fuck about us!

 

[UnoBetter2]

Thanks for droppin the knowledge I didnt even know about this!!!!

​

http://www.johnconyers.com/issues/reparations

Reparations

Body:
In January of 1989, Mr. Conyers first introduced the bill H.R. 40, the Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African Americans Act. He has reintroduced H.R. 40 every Congress since 1989, and will continue to do so until it's passed into law.​

One of the biggest challenges in discussing the issue of reparations in a political context, is deciding how to have a national discussion without allowing the issue to polarize our party or our nation. The approach Mr. Conyers has advocated for over a decade, has been for the federal government to undertake an official study of the social, political, and economic impact of slavery on our nation.​

Over 4 million Africans and their descendants were enslaved in the United States and its colonies from 1619 to 1865, and as a result, the United States was able to become the most prosperous country in the free world. It is undisputed that African slaves were not compensated for their labor. More unclear however, is what the effects and remnants of this relationship have had on African-Americans and our nation from the time of emancipation through today.​

Mr. Conyers has requested the number of the bill, 40, as a symbol of the forty acres and a mule that the United States initially promised freed slaves. This unfulfilled promise and the serious devastation that slavery had on African-American lives has never been officially recognized by the United States Government.​

Mr. Conyers legislation does four things: (1) acknowledges the fundamental injustice and inhumanity of slavery; (2) establishes a commission to study slavery and its subsequent racial and economic discrimination against freed slaves; (3) studies the impact of those forces on today's living Africa Americans; and (4) would allow the commission to make recommendations to Congress on appropriate remedies to redress the harm inflicted on living African-Americans.​

H.R. 40 has strong grass roots support within the African-American community, as well as major civil rights organizations, religious organizations, and academic and civic groups from across the country. This support is very similar to the strong grassroots movement that proceeded another major legislative initiative, the Martin Luther King, Jr. Holiday bill. It took 15 years for this legislation to pass. It was introduced during the Spring of 1968 and was finally enacted during the Fall of 1983. Throughout most of those 15 years, the idea of a federal holiday honoring an African-American civil rights leader was considered radical.​

Like the King Holiday bill, Mr. Conyers has seen the support for H.R. 40 increase each year. There are currently 37 co-sponsors. Support also extends outside of the Congress as various city councils and other local jurisdictions have supported his bill. The city councils in Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Dallas, Washington, DC, and Atlanta have passed bills supporting H.R. 40.​

It is a fact that slavery flourished in the United States and constituted an immoral and inhumane deprivation of African slaves' lives, liberty, and cultural heritage. As a result, millions of African-Americans today continue to suffer great injustices. Our country can no longer afford to leave slavery in the past and the issue of reparations for African-Americans must be resolved.​

​

 

[Mentor B]

If they gave free college education think of how many lil wayne wannabe's would attend.

Just imagine if all philanthropists who are supporters of the Black community thought like this.

When I think of free college tuition, I think of all the brothers and sisters I knew who would of opted to go to college but couldn't afford it. So instead, they enlisted in the military as their last resort. But negative niggas could never relate to that particular thought.

Some posters should omit the word "Black" from their names.

 

[BIGGSARGE]

 

[Buttnaked]

that is why you suffer & your descendents will suffer as well. scared people get shit in this society...

hear what......... let's start with lynching and justice for these families since slavery is too far back right now, right?



how about bring these people and the states that failed to provide security, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to justice, I'm sure some of them are alive:

Postcard depicting the lynching of Lige Daniels, Center, Texas, USA, August 3, 1920.
The back reads, "This was made in the court yard in Center, Texas. He is a 16 year old Black boy. He killed Earl's grandma. She was Florence's mother. Give this to Bud. From Aunt Myrtle." As discussed in the article, lynchings were often motivated by economics, or were retaliations for violations of Jim Crow etiquette, with false accusations of murder made in order to justify them.

A postcard showing the burned body of Jesse Washington, Waco, Texas, 1916. Washington was a 17-year-old retarded farmhand who had confessed to raping and killing a white woman. He was castrated, mutilated, and burned alive by a cheering mob that included the mayor and the chief of police. An observer wrote that "Washington was beaten with shovels and bricks. . .[he] was castrated, and his ears were cut off. A tree supported the iron chain that lifted him above the fire. . . Wailing, the boy attempted to climb up the skillet hot chain. For this, the men cut off his fingers." This image is from a postcard, which said on the back, "This is the barbeque we had last night. My picture is to the left with a cross over it. Your son, Joe."

Lynching 1930

A mob of 10,000 whites took sledgehammers to the county jailhouse doors to get at these two young blacks accused of raping a white girl; the girl’s uncle saved the life of a third by proclaiming the man’s innocence. Although this was Marion, Ind., most of the nearly 5,000 lynchings documented between Reconstruction and the late 1960s were perpetrated in the South. (Hangings, beatings and mutilations were called the sentence of “Judge Lynch.”) Some lynching photos were made into postcards designed to boost white supremacy, but the tortured bodies and grotesquely happy crowds ended up revolting as many as they scared. Today the images remind us that we have not come as far from barbarity as we’d like to think.

September of 1919, Will Brown, an African American man, was arrested and held in the Douglas County Courthouse. Largely due to the newspaper story, a mob gathered. Omaha Mayor Edward P. Smith was nearly lynched himself when he unsuccessfully attempted to disperse the crowd. Then the mob broke into the recently constructed building, tearing off Brown’s clothing as he was being dragged out. He was hanged on a nearby lamppost and then his body was riddled with bullets. Finally the body was burned. Members of the mob tied what remained of his charred body to an automobile, and dragged it around the streets of downtown Omaha.
Pieces of the rope used to lynch Brown were sold as souvenirs for 10 cents apiece.
Although some of the leaders of the lynching were placed on trial, most received suspended sentences, or were convicted of minor offenses such as destruction of public property.

http://www.nathanielturner.com/lynchingindex.htm






Laws

For most of the history of the United States, lynching was rarely prosecuted, and when it was, it was under state murder statutes. In one extraordinary example in 1907-1909, the Supreme Court tried its only criminal case in history, 203 U.S. 563 (U.S. v. Sheriff Shipp). Shipp was found guilty of criminal contempt for lynching Ed Johnson in Chattanooga.
Starting in 1909, over 200 bills were introduced to make lynching a federal crime, but they failed to pass. During the Roosevelt administration, the Civil Rights Section of the Justice Department tried, but failed, to prosecute lynchers under Reconstruction-era civil rights laws. The first successful federal prosecution of a lyncher for a civil rights violation was in 1946, and by that time, the era of lynchings as a common occurrence was over.

http://www.ngbiwm.com/Exhibits/lynching.htm

BUMP!!!

the majority of the humans suffering on this planet right now are too fucking scared to remove or alleviate the cause of their suffering. in fact, the true cause of much of their suffering can be found in reflective surfaces on a regular basis.

apathy, fear, laziness, ignorance, & just plain stupidity, coupled w/gullibility leads to the society that currently exists.

keep it up. watch how the shit just continues to get better on its own...

go say some prayers or something & watch the neigborhoods stop deteriorating...

WAKE THE FUCK UP...

 

[RoomService]

the sad thing about alot of this is there are kids in most of the photos

hear what......... let's start with lynching and justice for these families since slavery is too far back right now, right?



how about bring these people and the states that failed to provide security, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to justice, I'm sure some of them are alive:

Postcard depicting the lynching of Lige Daniels, Center, Texas, USA, August 3, 1920.
The back reads, "This was made in the court yard in Center, Texas. He is a 16 year old Black boy. He killed Earl's grandma. She was Florence's mother. Give this to Bud. From Aunt Myrtle." As discussed in the article, lynchings were often motivated by economics, or were retaliations for violations of Jim Crow etiquette, with false accusations of murder made in order to justify them.

A postcard showing the burned body of Jesse Washington, Waco, Texas, 1916. Washington was a 17-year-old retarded farmhand who had confessed to raping and killing a white woman. He was castrated, mutilated, and burned alive by a cheering mob that included the mayor and the chief of police. An observer wrote that "Washington was beaten with shovels and bricks. . .[he] was castrated, and his ears were cut off. A tree supported the iron chain that lifted him above the fire. . . Wailing, the boy attempted to climb up the skillet hot chain. For this, the men cut off his fingers." This image is from a postcard, which said on the back, "This is the barbeque we had last night. My picture is to the left with a cross over it. Your son, Joe."

Lynching 1930

A mob of 10,000 whites took sledgehammers to the county jailhouse doors to get at these two young blacks accused of raping a white girl; the girl’s uncle saved the life of a third by proclaiming the man’s innocence. Although this was Marion, Ind., most of the nearly 5,000 lynchings documented between Reconstruction and the late 1960s were perpetrated in the South. (Hangings, beatings and mutilations were called the sentence of “Judge Lynch.”) Some lynching photos were made into postcards designed to boost white supremacy, but the tortured bodies and grotesquely happy crowds ended up revolting as many as they scared. Today the images remind us that we have not come as far from barbarity as we’d like to think.

September of 1919, Will Brown, an African American man, was arrested and held in the Douglas County Courthouse. Largely due to the newspaper story, a mob gathered. Omaha Mayor Edward P. Smith was nearly lynched himself when he unsuccessfully attempted to disperse the crowd. Then the mob broke into the recently constructed building, tearing off Brown’s clothing as he was being dragged out. He was hanged on a nearby lamppost and then his body was riddled with bullets. Finally the body was burned. Members of the mob tied what remained of his charred body to an automobile, and dragged it around the streets of downtown Omaha.
Pieces of the rope used to lynch Brown were sold as souvenirs for 10 cents apiece.
Although some of the leaders of the lynching were placed on trial, most received suspended sentences, or were convicted of minor offenses such as destruction of public property.

http://www.nathanielturner.com/lynchingindex.htm






Laws

For most of the history of the United States, lynching was rarely prosecuted, and when it was, it was under state murder statutes. In one extraordinary example in 1907-1909, the Supreme Court tried its only criminal case in history, 203 U.S. 563 (U.S. v. Sheriff Shipp). Shipp was found guilty of criminal contempt for lynching Ed Johnson in Chattanooga.
Starting in 1909, over 200 bills were introduced to make lynching a federal crime, but they failed to pass. During the Roosevelt administration, the Civil Rights Section of the Justice Department tried, but failed, to prosecute lynchers under Reconstruction-era civil rights laws. The first successful federal prosecution of a lyncher for a civil rights violation was in 1946, and by that time, the era of lynchings as a common occurrence was over.

http://www.ngbiwm.com/Exhibits/lynching.htm

 

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Have you ever seen a revolution start in the middle class?

Middle class black America, who have the means, are NOT interested in rocking the boat that brings the bread crumbs to them.........


They are content and don't give a fuck about anyone else.. real talk.


If only they knew.................

In a thread about reparations for a people, it is funny how one class is singled out. Who is to say that middle class blacks don't give a fuck about anyone else? What is up with the generalization based off of your perception? Is it fair for me to say that lower class blacks don't give a fuck about themselves because they aren't bettering themselves? Hell no, because I don't walk in their shoes. I don't know what they do on a day to day basis. I think blacks in America are treated wrong and should have the playing field leveled. Is there a solution? One thing I and many other middle class blacks do is go to work every day. The next time you walk into a job interview, consider this. Maybe there was a middle class black man that was there before you. Maybe his good work ethic left a positive influence on the hiring manager. Maybe this was his way of making a path for another black man/woman.

 

[water]

In a thread about reparations for a people, it is funny how one class is singled out. Who is to say that middle class blacks don't give a fuck about anyone else? What is up with the generalization based off of your perception? Is it fair for me to say that lower class blacks don't give a fuck about themselves because they aren't bettering themselves? Hell no, because I don't walk in their shoes. I don't know what they do on a day to day basis. I think blacks in America are treated wrong and should have the playing field leveled. Is there a solution? One thing I and many other middle class blacks do is go to work every day. The next time you walk into a job interview, consider this. Maybe there was a middle class black man that was there before you. Maybe his good work ethic left a positive influence on the hiring manager. Maybe this was his way of making a path for another black man/woman.

The scenario you painted depends on the goodwill of white people on that panel.

While that maybe a short term solution, you mean to tell me your children and grand-children will have to jump over the same barriers that you jumped over because you did NOT assist in breaking down not one row of brick?


Come on Bro.............


Do you think Rosa Parks should have been a nice little misses so that she could continue being "allowed" to sit at the back of the bus?


Come on...............

There is a call to service and the middle class is slipping........ I'm calling it as I see it.

We always call out the lower class, so i'm starting to call out the middle class.

It is the middles class that should be actively involved in local politics, jury duty as Leeeee quite rightly points out, getting involved with school boards, getting involved in municipal meetings etc.....

We know what the issues are on a policy level.......... why not get involved?

I have been to municipal meetings and we are way under-represented.

Maybe if we get more involved then through the same municipality, we can work with local precincts to help curb crime in our neighborhoods as well as work on economic initiatives.............


I'm just saying.......... those things don't make sense?

 

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The scenario you painted depends on the goodwill of white people on that panel.

While that maybe a short term solution, you mean to tell me your children and grand-children will have to jump over the same barriers that you jumped over because you did NOT assist in breaking down not one row of brick?


Come on Bro.............


Do you think Rosa Parks should have been a nice little misses so that she could continue being "allowed" to sit at the back of the bus?


Come on...............

There is a call to service and the middle class is slipping........ I'm calling it as I see it.

We always call out the lower class, so i'm starting to call out the middle class.

It is the middles class that should be actively involved in local politics, jury duty as Leeeee quite rightly points out, getting involved with school boards, getting involved in municipal meetings etc.....

We know what the issues are on a policy level.......... why not get involved?

I have been to municipal meetings and we are way under-represented.

Maybe if we get more involved then through the same municipality, we can work with local precincts to help curb crime in our neighborhoods as well as work on economic initiatives.............


I'm just saying.......... those things don't make sense?

Again, until you walk in my shoes... You have been to a municial meeting, but because you didn't see me there, I am not doing my part. Perhaps at that time, I was sitting on the corner talking to some young cats about pooling their money together to support their family. I am not knocking your actions but rather your judgements on everyone else. It is unfair for you to say that I am not breaking down barriers because I don't choose your exact methods. As far as my methods depending on the goodwill of the whites on the panel, I guess your municipal meetings is an all black affair. The problem is that we all have our own methods. Perhaps my short tem methods only get 20 black young men to chase a career and become succesful and have productive families. Is that not the goal?

 

[divine]

Reparations need to be 3 things:

1. Tax Exemption

2. Free healthcare

3. Free Education

fixed.