The NFC East is overrated, over the last decade the NFC West has been better

[Black A. Camus]

The NFC East is overrated. The only reason why two NFC East teams play against each other the first Sunday Night Game is because of ad revenue, rather than what most NFL fans actually want to see.

Over the last decade the NFC West has won as many Superbowls as the NFC East, and the NFC West has more Superbowl appearances. The NFC West won the Superbowl with the Rams in 2000, and the NFC East won the Superbowl with the Giants in 2008. More notably, however, is the fact that over the last decade the NFC West has more superbowl appearances than NFC East.

Over the last decade the NFC West had three Superbowl appearances: the Rams in 02, the Seahawks in 06, and the Cardinals in 09. Yet, in the last decade the NFC East only has two Superbowl appearances: the Giants in 01 and the Eagles in 05. Given these facts why is the NFC East allegedly the best division in football? Given these facts why is the Cowboys vs. Redskins the first Sunday Night Game?

It's all market driven, I know. Despite what the overabundance of true NFL fans want to see, the first NFL Sunday Night Game is going to be the Cowboys vs. The Redskins, because those are the biggest markets and they'll collect a lot of ad revenue. Fuck the fans, it's all about money. All of that's why I'll flip back and forth to see how the games going, but there is no way I'll miss new episodes of the Cleveland Show and Family guy to watch those two perpetually Superbowl irrelevant teams play.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Man the NFC West is the worst division in the NFC. I don't know what you're talking about. The only reason any team will come out of the NFC West is because you have to pick a team out of every division. But if not, not one of those teams would be in the post season. How can it be better than the NFC BEAST when two of the teams in the NFC West are two of the worst teams in the league?

 

[Black A. Camus]

Man the NFC West is the worst division in the NFC. I don't know what you're talking about. The only reason any team will come out of the NFC West is because you have to pick a team out of every division. But if not, not one of those teams would be in the post season. How can it be better than the NFC BEAST when two of the teams in the NFC West are two of the worst teams in the league?

There was a post awhile ago about getting emotional instead of dealing with facts. You're doing that now. Over the last decade, the NFC West has produced more Superbowl contenders than the NFC East. I just gave you facts; deal with it.

 

[Mr. Met]

The NFC East is overrated. The only reason why two NFC East teams play against each other the first Sunday Night Game is because of ad revenue, rather than what most NFL fans actually want to see.

Over the last decade the NFC West has won as many Superbowls as the NFC East, and the NFC West has more Superbowl appearances. The NFC West won the Superbowl with the Rams in 2000, and the NFC East won the Superbowl with the Giants in 2008. More notably, however, is the fact that over the last decade the NFC West has more superbowl appearances than NFC East.

Over the last decade the NFC West had three Superbowl appearances: the Rams in 02, the Seahawks in 06, and the Cardinals in 09. Yet, in the last decade the NFC East only has two Superbowl appearances: the Giants in 01 and the Eagles in 05. Given these facts why is the NFC East allegedly the best division in football? Given these facts why is the Cowboys vs. Redskins the first Sunday Night Game?

It's all market driven, I know. Despite what the overabundance of true NFL fans want to see, the first NFL Sunday Night Game is going to be the Cowboys vs. The Redskins, because those are the biggest markets and they'll collect a lot of ad revenue. Fuck the fans, it's all about money. All of that's why I'll flip back and forth to see how the games going, but there is no way I'll miss new episodes of the Cleveland Show and Family guy to watch those two perpetually Superbowl irrelevant teams play.

You're facts are backwards.

The Rams went to one SB in the 2000s and massively choked while Seattle went to one.

The Giants had 2 SBs and the Eagles had one.

Most years your division sucked while one team dominated.

2004 was won by a brutal 9-7 Seattle team that got knocked off by an even worst 8-8 Ram team.

The 2008 Cardinal team dominated your division with a 9-7 record.

9-7.

Our division was so competitive that 3 teams made it to the playoffs two years in a row.

The NFC West is the weakest division in the NFC.

If anything, the South with it's two SB wins ( nearly 3 ) is up there with us.

 

[Maleman]

let's see. the last two yrs nfc west teams like ari and sf could get four automatic wins playing the seahawks and the rams twice. wtf r u talking about?
domed stadiums and no cold weather games...?????

 

[yeahman727]

HMMMM I Think they both are overrated. I do not hear the NFC South in this conversation, then again we are seem to never get respect anyways that is why we just take our respect.

 

[Duffle_Bag]

I think the logic in your argument is flawed. Superbowl appearances are a terrible metric to determine a division's strength. By your logic, the AFC East is the best division since they boast the most superbowl appearances in the last decade (4 by the Patriots).

A better metric would be to look at the wildcard playoff seeds since every division winner makes the playoffs, the divisions with strongest teams will have multiple playoff entrants. I'm pretty sure that the NFC East will have had the most wildcard playoff teams in the past decade, in fact I remember some seasons where both wildcard playoff teams came from the NFC East.

 

[Black A. Camus]

You're facts are backwards.

The Rams went to one SB in the 2000s and massively choked while Seattle went to one.

The Giants had 2 SBs and the Eagles had one.

Most years your division sucked while one team dominated.

2004 was won by a brutal 9-7 Seattle team that got knocked off by an even worst 8-8 Ram team.

The 2008 Cardinal team dominated your division with a 9-7 record.

9-7.

Our division was so competitive that 3 teams made it to the playoffs two years in a row.

The NFC West is the weakest division in the NFC.

If anything, the South with it's two SB wins ( nearly 3 ) is up there with us.

My facts aren't backwards, my facts are facts: point out something wrong instead of bumping your gums. You can't. Because no matter what you say in the last decade NFC West has produced more Superbowl contenders than the NFC East, period. You got emotional because you can't stand the truth.

 

[dtownsfinest]

There was a post awhile ago about getting emotional instead of dealing with facts. You're doing that now. Over the last decade, the NFC West has produced more Superbowl contenders than the NFC East. I just gave you facts; deal with it.

NFC West is the worst division in football. There's no getting "emotional" about that shit. If anything the NFC West's actual good team benefits off playing shitty opponents all year long and still can't come up with more than 10 wins. Meanwhile in the NFC BEAST, they all gotta beat up on each other every year.

I'm not really sure what your point is. Are you saying you'd rather watch any combination of the 9ers, Seahawks, Ramslol or Cardinals as the 1st game of NFL Sunday? Yikes. And the Giants have been NFC champs TWICE in the past decade.

At the end of the day the Deadskins and the Cowboys are two of the highest grossing teams in the NFL. To expect anyone else to kickstart NFL Sunday would be foolish which you acknowledge so I don't know what's your actual point.

 

[Black A. Camus]

let's see. the last two yrs nfc west teams like ari and sf could get four automatic wins playing the seahawks and the rams twice. wtf r u talking about?
domed stadiums and no cold weather games...?????

Last year SF and Seattle split their games, wtf are you talking about? Get your facts straight.

 

[dtownsfinest]

HMMMM I Think they both are overrated. I do not hear the NFC South in this conversation, then again we are seem to never get respect anyways that is why we just take our respect.

NFC South gets no respect because the best team in the division(Saints) this past decade hasn't made the playoffs in back to back years.

 

[dtownsfinest]

My facts aren't backwards, my facts are facts: point out something wrong instead of bumping your gums. You can't. Because no matter what you say in the last decade NFC West has produced more Superbowl contenders than the NFC East, period. You got emotional because you can't stand the truth.

Okay but the NFC East has been in the Super Bowl THREE different times as well this past decade so what facts are you looking up? You keep talking about facts but some of these "facts" aren't adding up. The NFC East has just as many Super Bowl appearances this past decade as the NFC West.

 

[Black A. Camus]

NFC West is the worst division in football. There's no getting "emotional" about that shit. If anything the NFC West's actual good team benefits off playing shitty opponents all year long and still can't come up with more than 10 wins. Meanwhile in the NFC BEAST, they all gotta beat up on each other every year.

I'm not really sure what your point is. Are you saying you'd rather watch any combination of the 9ers, Seahawks, Ramslol or Cardinals as the 1st game of NFL Sunday? Yikes. And the Giants have been NFC champs TWICE in the past decade.

At the end of the day the Deadskins and the Cowboys are two of the highest grossing teams in the NFL. To expect anyone else to kickstart NFL Sunday would be foolish which you acknowledge so I don't know what's your actual point.

If the NFC West is the worst division in football, yet has as many Superbowl wins, and more Superbowl appearances than the NFC East? By correlation doesn't that make the NFC East bad too? GTFOH. At the end of the day, like I said, neither the Cowboys or the Redskins are going to the Superbowl, and there's really no doubt about that. The 49rs will go to the Superbowl before either of those teams do. But because of ad revenue, rather than merit, NFC East teams will get more media attention until the playoffs. That's my point. And my prediction is that the NFC East playoff team (the NFC East won't get a wildcard) won't advance past the first round once the playoffs begin.

 

[Maleman]

Last year SF and Seattle split their games, wtf are you talking about? Get your facts straight.

u aren't getting the point.

the teams are so fuckin weak in that division that sf and ari couldn't even beat stl or sea twice.

my facts are str8>u are wrong.

 

[Black A. Camus]

Okay but the NFC East has been in the Super Bowl THREE different times as well this past decade so what facts are you looking up? You keep talking about facts but some of these "facts" aren't adding up. The NFC East has just as many Super Bowl appearances this past decade as the NFC West.

Really? Is that your argument? O.k., then, if you look at it that way the NFC West has been in the Superbowl FOUR different times this decade. Like I said, in the last decade the NFC West has produced more Superbowl contenders/contestants than the NFC East.

 

[dtownsfinest]

If the NFC West is the worst division in football, yet has as many Superbowl wins, and more Superbowl appearances than the NFC East? By correlation doesn't that make the NFC East bad too? GTFOH. At the end of the day, like I said, neither the Cowboys or the Redskins are going to the Superbowl, and there's really no doubt about that. The 49rs will go to the Superbowl before either of those teams do. But because of ad revenue, rather than merit, NFC East teams will get more media attention until the playoffs. That's my point. And my prediction is that the NFC East playoff team (the NFC East won't get a wildcard) won't advance past the first round once the playoffs begin.

Why do you sound so salty? Like you mad at us and shit? Every year the NFC East produces AT LEAST TWO playoff teams this past decade. That shit is never happening in the NFC West. Correct? And the NFC East has had just as many Super Bowl appearances as the NFC West.

And once again, what two teams from the wack ass NFC West would you put on Sunday Night Football? A game that has to have the best ratings of the WEEK For ANY CHANNEL?

And as far as the 9ers going to the Super Bowl before the Cowboys or Deadskins? Don't you actually have to get into the post season to do that? Don't you actually have to have a quarterback to do that? You the one getting emotional. The Cowboys and Deadskins have just as much of a chance to win a Super Bowl this season as the 9ers. Hell probably even more.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Really? Is that your argument? O.k., then, if you look at it that way the NFC West has been in the Superbowl FOUR different times this decade. Like I said, in the last decade the NFC West has produced more Superbowl contenders/contestants than the NFC East.

I'm not making a argument. You stated some utter bullshit by saying the NFC East is overrated and that the NFC West was actually better when in fact the NFC West has only one contender every year in the playoffs. Now if you said something like, the NFC West has produced more Super Bowl appearances than the NFC East I could hear your argument because it would be valid. But just because the NFC West has had only 3 different teams be good enough to actually contend this past decade doesn't make them better than a division that has been pretty much dominating the competition. The NFC East doesn't have the pleasure of playing the Rams, Seahawks and 9ers 6 times a year. The Deadskins would contend in the NFC West.

 

[Black A. Camus]

Why do you sound so salty? Like you mad at us and shit? Every year the NFC East produces AT LEAST TWO playoff teams this past decade. That shit is never happening in the NFC West. Correct? And the NFC East has had just as many Super Bowl appearances as the NFC West.

Well, there was a year that the NFC won a Wildcard and The Rams and The Seahawks made the playoffs, so as far as the NFC West not producing two playoff teams this past decade your wrong, again.

the NFC East has had just as many Super Bowl appearances as the NFC West.

No, the NFC West had two Superbowl appearances: The Giants in 01, and the Eagles in 2005. They had one more if include the Giants Superbowl appearance and win in 08. So that's three Superbowl appearances for the NFC East. The NFC West has four.

The Rams appeared in the 02 Superbowl: the Seahawks appeared in 06; and the Cardinals appeared in 09. The NFC West had one more Superbowl appearance if you include the Rams Superbowl victory in 2000. That's four appearances for the NFC West against the three Superbowl appearances the NFC East has.

And once again, what two teams from the wack ass NFC West would you put on Sunday Night Football?

Most NFL fans wouldn't want to see two NFC West teams play on the firs Sunday night game either. Instead of the Cowboys and the Redskins, the better opening Sunday Night game would have been the Packers vs. the Vikings. Those two teams are better Superbowl contenders than any two teams in the NFC East.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Well, there was a year that the NFC won a Wildcard and The Rams and The Seahawks made the playoffs, so as far as the NFC West not producing two playoff teams this past decade your wrong, again.



Most NFL fans wouldn't want to see two NFC West teams play on the firs Sunday night game either. Instead of the Cowboys and the Redskins, the better opening Sunday Night game would have been the Packers vs. the Vikings. Those two teams are better Superbowl contenders than any two teams in the NFC East.

What year did two NFC West teams made the playoffs? I don't recall. Maybe it did happen. Either way it won't happen again. And the NFC East still brings in two teams a year out of the division. That alone tells me the division is tougher competition.

Okay the Vikings and the Packers would be a good match up but those are not NFC West teams. I thought this thread was about the NFC West? I thought the whole point of this thread was to expose the NFC West's "dominance" on the rest of the league?

 

[Timdawg187]

NFC East has had two teams go to the playoffs every year since 05, and 3 actually went in 06...

 

[Black A. Camus]

... Now if you said something like, the NFC West has produced more Super Bowl appearances than the NFC East I could hear your argument because it would be valid.

I did say that.

I said in the first sentence second paragraph of my original post "Over the last decade the NFC West has won as many Superbowls as the NFC East, and the NFC West has more Superbowl appearances." Those are irrefutable facts.

 

[dtownsfinest]

NFC East has had two teams go to the playoffs every year since 05, and 3 actually went in 06...

Yea I know the latter happened but I thought it wast he Giants, Cowboys and Eagles. I think the NFC East has actually had 3 teams make the post season 2 different times this past decade because I also remember the one you brought up with the Deadskins making it. NFC West will never have 3 teams get into the post season. The only reason one team makes it is because it has to happen.

 

[Black A. Camus]

What year did two NFC West teams made the playoffs? I don't recall.

2004. The Seahawks won the NFC West and the Rams won a wildcard.

 

[code_pirahna]

LMAO....wow...so the 49ers and the St Louis Rams are the class of the NFL????

LOL...wow your NFL logic is extremely flawed.

 

[code_pirahna]

And the deadskins are better than the niners and the rams.....

wow...lmao...the NFC WEST....GTFOHWDBS

 

[dtownsfinest]

I did say that.

I said in the first sentence second paragraph of my original post "Over the last decade the NFC West has won as many Superbowls as the NFC East, and the NFC West has more Superbowl appearances." Those are irrefutable facts.

Yea I know. I'm saying if that was your argument your thread would be valid. But you came out talking about the NFC East is OVERRATED and actually gave the NFC West props for being a good division when every year for the most part they have only one team good enough to contend. When I first entered this thread I actually thought it was about the Packers, Saints and Bears division. NFC West was the last division I thought would come up.

2004. The Seahawks won the NFC West and the Rams won a wildcard.

Looked it up. You are correct. Two teams in the NFC West actually did make it. Right when the Rams were on decline but good enough to get into the post season. A weak year for the NFC altogether.

 

[Black A. Camus]

LMAO....wow...so the 49ers and the St Louis Rams are the class of the NFL????

LOL...wow your NFL logic is extremely flawed.

The point of this thread is that the NFL should show a better game than the Cowboys and the Redskins for the first Sunday Night game of the season. I think it's bullshit that they let ad revenue determine whats on rather than what fans really want to see. I'm not saying, nor did I mean to imply that a NFC West matchup should be shown instead, but by bringing up the NFC West all I was trying to do was expose the fallacy, and the myth, of the NFC East being the best division in football.

 

[dtownsfinest]

The point of this thread is that the NFL should show a better game than the Cowboys and the Redskins for the first Sunday Night game of the season. I think it's bullshit that they let ad revenue determine whats on rather than what fans really want to see. I'm not saying, nor did I mean to imply that a NFC West matchup should be shown instead, but by bringing up the NFC West all I was trying to do was expose the fallacy, and the myth, of the NFC East being the best division in football.

What division in the NFC is better than the NFC East?

And ad revenue is what pays for TV. Its how TV shows make their money. I mean let's be real here. This game might get the highest ratings of the year. Or contend for it anyway in regards to regular season games. It just came out that the Deadskins and the Cowboys are the two highest grossing teams in the NFL which means they have the most fans. This is the 1st week schedule. Saints and Vikings kickstart the NFL on Thursday so aside from that game what game is actually good enough to be on Sunday Night Football?

Minnesota at New Orleans NOR (82%) NOR
Detroit at Chicago CHI (83%) CHI
Oakland at Tennessee TEN (91%) TEN
Indianapolis at Houston IND (83%) IND
Miami at Buffalo MIA (85%) MIA
Cincinnati at New England NWE (76%) NWE
Carolina at NY Giants NYG (87%) NYG
Atlanta at Pittsburgh ATL (56%) ATL
Cleveland at Tampa Bay TAM (67%) TAM
Denver at Jacksonville DEN (60%) DEN
San Francisco at Seattle SFO (79%) SFO
Arizona at St. Louis ARI (79%) ARI
Green Bay at Philadelphia GNB (82%) GNB
Dallas at Washington DAL (78%) DAL
Baltimore at NY Jets NYJ (54%) NYJ
San Diego at Kansas City SDG (90%) SDG


Ravens and Jets probably is the closest thing but there's no Revis.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

I did say that.

I said in the first sentence second paragraph of my original post "Over the last decade the NFC West has won as many Superbowls as the NFC East, and the NFC West has more Superbowl appearances." Those are irrefutable facts.

2004. The Seahawks won the NFC West and the Rams won a wildcard.

This man typed the word irrefutable on BGOL, for that alone you get props, lol!

But let's get to some more "irrefutable" facts...

1.The NFC East has produced 3 play-off teams twice this past decade, in 2006 and 2007, and has an unmatched string of producing 2 play-off teams the past 5 seasons in a row, NO OTHER DIVISION HAS DONE THIS FOR EVEN 2 SEASONS IN A ROW.

NONE!

Yet you brag about getting two teams in from the NFC West once in 2004?

Really? Once?

The St.Louis Rams Super Bowl victory, while happening in the year 2000, was from the 1999-2000 season which is NOT this decade!

That's like telling people to come to a party on Saturday that actually started on Friday night.

And besides the "Greatest Show on Turf", what team from the NFC West was EVER considered dominant this decade during the regular season?

Dallas, New York and Philadelphia have all had the word "dominant" attributed to their play during the regular season this past decade.

One last tidbit...

The NFC Beast now has 3 Super Bowl head coaches, the NFC West 1.

(Spags from the Rams was not a head coach and Singletary from the Niners was a player.)

In the NFC East, even in a down year, there is NEVER a cream puff on the schedule like the 1-15 Rams of last season!

These facts my friend, are irrefutable!

 

[dirtyd]

Given these facts why is the Cowboys vs. Redskins the first Sunday Night Game?

It's all market driven, I know. Despite what the overabundance of true NFL fans want to see, the first NFL Sunday Night Game is going to be the Cowboys vs. The Redskins, because those are the biggest markets and they'll collect a lot of ad revenue. Fuck the fans, it's all about money. All of that's why I'll flip back and forth to see how the games going, but there is no way I'll miss new episodes of the Cleveland Show and Family guy to watch those two perpetually Superbowl irrelevant teams play.

1. Because it's cowboys redskins so it's an automatic ratings win.

2. Oh no Black A. Camus is not watching sunday night, i'm sure goodell is losing sleep over this

 

[Timdawg187]

This man typed the word irrefutable on BGOL, for that alone you get props, lol!

But let's get to some more "irrefutable" facts...

1.The NFC East has produced 3 play-off teams twice this past decade, in 2006 and 2007, and has an unmatched string of producing 2 play-off teams the past 5 seasons in a row, NO OTHER DIVISION HAS DONE THIS FOR EVEN 2 SEASONS IN A ROW.

NONE!

Yet you brag about getting two teams in from the NFC West once in 2004?

Really? Once?

The St.Louis Rams Super Bowl victory, while happening in the year 2000, was from the 1999-2000 season which is NOT this decade!

That's like telling people to come to a party on Saturday that actually started on Friday night.

And besides the "Greatest Show on Turf", what team from the NFC West was EVER considered dominant this decade during the regular season?

Dallas, New York and Philadelphia have all had the word "dominant" attributed to their play during the regular season this past decade.

One last tidbit...

The NFC Beast now has 3 Super Bowl head coaches, the NFC West 1.

(Spags from the Rams was not a head coach and Singletary from the Niners was a player.)

In the NFC East, even in a down year, there is NEVER a cream puff on the schedule like the 1-15 Rams of last season!

These facts my friend, are irrefutable!

Grand opening, grand closing.
Hopefully the redskins won't be the laughing stock of the nfc east anymore...

 

[Yogi Bear]

NFC East Wild Card Teams

2000 - Philadelphia Eagles
2001 - None
2002 - New York Giants
2003 - Dallas Cowboys
2004 - None
2005 - Washington Redskins
2006 - Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants
2007 - New York Giants****, Washington Redskins
2008 - Philadelphia Eagles**
2009 - Philadelphia Eagles

** - the 2008 Eagles lost to the Arizona Cardinals
**** - won that season's Super Bowl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nfc_east



NFC West Wild Card Teams

2000 St. Louis Rams 10-6-0 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs
2001 San Francisco 49ers 12-4-0 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs
2002 None -- --
2003 Seattle Seahawks 10-6-0 Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs
2004 St. Louis Rams 8-8-0 Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
2005 None -- --
2006 None -- --
2007 None -- --
2008 None

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFC_West

 

[wr4329]

DIVISION RECORDS FOR THE DECADE 2000-2009

DIV W L PCT
1. AFC SOUTH 331 277 .544
2. NFC EAST 343 296 .537
3. AFC EAST 337 303 .527
4. AFC NORTH 320 318 .502
5. NFC SOUTH 316 323 .495
6. AFC WEST 310 330 .484
7. NFC NORTH 302 338 .472
8. NFC WEST 283 357 .442

 

[Mr. Met]

DIVISION RECORDS FOR THE DECADE 2000-2009

DIV W L PCT
1. AFC SOUTH 331 277 .544
2. NFC EAST 343 296 .537
3. AFC EAST 337 303 .527
4. AFC NORTH 320 318 .502
5. NFC SOUTH 316 323 .495
6. AFC WEST 310 330 .484
7. NFC NORTH 302 338 .472
8. NFC WEST 283 357 .442

 

[wr4329]

The bottom 11 teams record wise for 2000-2009
The NFC West has 3 teams in the bottom 11. The NFC East has 1. As good as the Cardinals have been lately they are the 4th worst of the decade.



22. St. Louis Rams 71 89 0 .444
23. Kansas City Chiefs 70 90 0 .438
24. Washington Redskins 70 90 0 .438
25. Cincinnati Bengals 68 91 1 .428
26. San Francisco 49ers 68 92 0 .425
27. Buffalo Bills 66 94 0 .413
28. Oakland Raiders 62 98 0 .388
29. Arizona Cardinals 62 98 0 .388
30. Houston Texans 49 79 0 .383
31. Cleveland Browns 57 103 0 .356
32. Detroit Lions 42 118 0 .263