this thread kinda has FAIL written all over it. 
The NFC East is overrated, over the last decade the NFC West has been better
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The only way to tell is to look at the head to head numbers NFC West vs the NFC East:
Arizona
2000 (Arizona was part of the NFC East) 2-5
2001 (Arizona was part of the NFC East) 2-6
2002 2-2
2003 0-1
2004 1-0
2005 1-3
2006 0-1
2007 0-1
2008 2-3 (includes playoff win vs Philadelphia)
2009 1-0
San Francisco 49ers
2000 2-0
2001 1-1
2002 3-1
2003 1-0
2004 0-1
2005 0-4
2006 0-1
2007 0-1
2008 1-3
2009 0-1
St. Louis Rams
2000 2-1
2001 2-0
2002 0-4
2003 0-1
2004 1-0
2005 1-3
2006 1-0
2007 0-1
2008 2-2
2009 0-1
Seattle Seahawks
2000 (Seattle was part of the AFC West) DNP
2001 1-3
2002 1-3
2003 0-1
2004 0-1
2005 4-1 Includes playoff win over Washington
2006 2-0 Inckudes playoff win vs Dallas
2007 1-0
2008 0-4
2009 0-1
These are the combined head to head divisional records of the current teams in the NFC West vs. the NFC East. If you do the math you'll see that since 2000 the NFC West has 37 victories against 62 defeats when compared against their NFC East rivals. They actually would have four fewer victories if I had not included the Arizona wins from 2000 and 2001. Now I'm no math wiz but...I thing a record of 37-62 is considered a bad record.
Now there were two more teams, the Atalanta Falcons and the Carolina Panthers that played in the NFC West in 2000 and 2001. Even including their records
Carolina Panthers
2000 0-2
2001 0-1
2002 0-1
2003 4-2 includes playoff wins vs Dallas and Philly
2004 0-1
2005 1-1 includes a playoff win vs the Giants
2006 0-4
2007 0-1
2008 0-1
2009 2-2
Atlanta Falcons
2000 0-2
2001 1-0
2002 1-1 Includes a playoff loss to Philly
2003 2-2
2004 1-0
2005 1-0
2006 1-3
2007 0-1
2008 0-1
2009 1-3
that's 15 more victories vs 29 losses for a total of 52 wins and 91 defeats. Hell I can even just give you the wins and not count the losses and the NFC West still can't even get to .500 against the NFC East. Those are the facts when you look at the head to head competition.
Even more telling about how bad the NFC West is over the last decade:
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/01/07/nfl-standings-for-the-decade-colts-patriots-are-the-best-lion/
DIVISION RECORDS
FOR THE DECADE
DIV W L PCT
AFC SOUTH 331 277 .544
NFC EAST 343 296 .537
AFC EAST 337 303 .527
AFC NORTH 320 318 .502
NFC SOUTH 316 323 .495
AFC WEST 310 330 .484
NFC NORTH 302 338 .472
NFC WEST 283 357 .442
The NFC West and NFC East have the same amount of SuperBowl wins and the NFC West has 1 more SuperBowl appearance (4 vs 3). They have 13 Playoff appearances vs 20 for the NFC East. In fact, Philly and the Giants have more playoff appearances than the entire NFC West during the decade. Once again, even if I include Carolina and Atlanta, you get only one more SuperBowl appearance and 8 more Playoff appearances which barely allows them to crack .500 against the NFC East.
Face it, the NFC West's limited success has to do with one thing. They play in an inferior division against inferior opponents. Even with the deck stacked in their favor and fudging the numbers, the NFC West cannot measure up to the NFC East.
However you want to justify it lil buddy, like Jay-Z said, "men lie , women lie, numbers don't."
Arizona
2000 (Arizona was part of the NFC East) 2-5
2001 (Arizona was part of the NFC East) 2-6
2002 2-2
2003 0-1
2004 1-0
2005 1-3
2006 0-1
2007 0-1
2008 2-3 (includes playoff win vs Philadelphia)
2009 1-0
San Francisco 49ers
2000 2-0
2001 1-1
2002 3-1
2003 1-0
2004 0-1
2005 0-4
2006 0-1
2007 0-1
2008 1-3
2009 0-1
St. Louis Rams
2000 2-1
2001 2-0
2002 0-4
2003 0-1
2004 1-0
2005 1-3
2006 1-0
2007 0-1
2008 2-2
2009 0-1
Seattle Seahawks
2000 (Seattle was part of the AFC West) DNP
2001 1-3
2002 1-3
2003 0-1
2004 0-1
2005 4-1 Includes playoff win over Washington
2006 2-0 Inckudes playoff win vs Dallas
2007 1-0
2008 0-4
2009 0-1
These are the combined head to head divisional records of the current teams in the NFC West vs. the NFC East. If you do the math you'll see that since 2000 the NFC West has 37 victories against 62 defeats when compared against their NFC East rivals. They actually would have four fewer victories if I had not included the Arizona wins from 2000 and 2001. Now I'm no math wiz but...I thing a record of 37-62 is considered a bad record.
Now there were two more teams, the Atalanta Falcons and the Carolina Panthers that played in the NFC West in 2000 and 2001. Even including their records
Carolina Panthers
2000 0-2
2001 0-1
2002 0-1
2003 4-2 includes playoff wins vs Dallas and Philly
2004 0-1
2005 1-1 includes a playoff win vs the Giants
2006 0-4
2007 0-1
2008 0-1
2009 2-2
Atlanta Falcons
2000 0-2
2001 1-0
2002 1-1 Includes a playoff loss to Philly
2003 2-2
2004 1-0
2005 1-0
2006 1-3
2007 0-1
2008 0-1
2009 1-3
that's 15 more victories vs 29 losses for a total of 52 wins and 91 defeats. Hell I can even just give you the wins and not count the losses and the NFC West still can't even get to .500 against the NFC East. Those are the facts when you look at the head to head competition.
Even more telling about how bad the NFC West is over the last decade:
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/01/07/nfl-standings-for-the-decade-colts-patriots-are-the-best-lion/
DIVISION RECORDS
FOR THE DECADE
DIV W L PCT
AFC SOUTH 331 277 .544
NFC EAST 343 296 .537
AFC EAST 337 303 .527
AFC NORTH 320 318 .502
NFC SOUTH 316 323 .495
AFC WEST 310 330 .484
NFC NORTH 302 338 .472
NFC WEST 283 357 .442
The NFC West and NFC East have the same amount of SuperBowl wins and the NFC West has 1 more SuperBowl appearance (4 vs 3). They have 13 Playoff appearances vs 20 for the NFC East. In fact, Philly and the Giants have more playoff appearances than the entire NFC West during the decade. Once again, even if I include Carolina and Atlanta, you get only one more SuperBowl appearance and 8 more Playoff appearances which barely allows them to crack .500 against the NFC East.
Face it, the NFC West's limited success has to do with one thing. They play in an inferior division against inferior opponents. Even with the deck stacked in their favor and fudging the numbers, the NFC West cannot measure up to the NFC East.
However you want to justify it lil buddy, like Jay-Z said, "men lie , women lie, numbers don't."
NFC west sucks ass....last good thing to come outta there was JOE MONTANA
Yes, Joe Montana, the greatest Quarterback to ever play in the NFL, and Jerry Rice, the greatest player EVER to play in the NFL, and another hall of fame QB Steve Young and 5 Superbowl trophies, AND an UNDEFEATED RECORD IN THE SUPERBWOL all courtesy of the San Francisco 49ers.
Let's see, how many trophies do the Philadelphia Pigeons have? Or the New York Overrated Giants? How many GOATS do they have on their teams? Do those 2 teams even have 5 combined?
The Greatest Linebacker to play the game was a New York Giant...
Lawrence Taylor... and the one thing that the Giants can say... The Giants were THE ONLY TEAM to put Joe Montana on his ass... TWICE!!!... With that beins said... Everything you said... is 100% correct... 
The Greatest Linebacker to play the game was a New York Giant...
redskins took an NFC championship from Joe & company too (1983)
The Greatest Linebacker to play the game was a New York Giant...
IMO GOAT LB goes to Ricky Jackson because he had no help on the D-Line and no "coke".
redskins took an NFC championship from Joe & company too (1983)
How many Superbowls have the deadskins won?
The only team in the NFC that can talk shit to the 9ers are the Cowpies. But trust, the 9ers will get #6 before they will.
NFC South gets no respect because the best team in the division(Saints) this past decade hasn't made the playoffs in back to back years.
Are you for real? The Saints are not the best team in that Division the last decade....You just proved you don't know about the NFC South...Panthers Or Bucs are the 2 best teams in that Division followed by Atlanta at 3 and Saints at 4...Don't let the one Super Bowl fool you...
But If we going by logic...NFC South is better than East and West because We got 2 SB Champions....and 3 Appearances in all...(Should have been 3 SB Champions but thats what you get with you got Spy-Gate)
First off the Giants, Cowboys and Redskins are right there with the 49ers as far as NFL dominance is concerned.
49ers and Cowboys have 5 SB wins, the Giants and Redskins have 3.
But that's the point.
Throughout the 90's, you coould pretty much pencil in the 49ers winning all 6 games in their shitty division because the division sucked so badly.
Put them in the NFC East and the results are much different.
And the fact that Steve Young could step in and have the same success as Montana in that system is an indictment on Joe Cool.
It very well could have been the West Coast system and not Joe himself.
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redskins took an NFC championship from Joe & company too (1983)
True... But the Giants KNOCKED Montana clean out... courtesy of Jim Burt and Leonard Marshall...
I liked Ricky Jackson... but he was NO LT...
and who says he wasn't fuckin around with the 'White Horse'... 
Are you for real? The Saints are not the best team in that Division the last decade....You just proved you don't know about the NFC South...Panthers Or Bucs are the 2 best teams in that Division followed by Atlanta at 3 and Saints at 4...Don't let the one Super Bowl fool you...
But If we going by logic...NFC South is better than East and West because We got 2 SB Champions....and 3 Appearances in all...(Should have been 3 SB Champions but thats what you get with you got Spy-Gate)
I'm not speaking about the past. I'm speaking about the current. And currently the Saints are one of the best teams in football if NOT the best team. He asked why don't the NFC South get any respect i'm assuming he's talking about presently and that's one reason why. The NFC South is inconsistent. Buc's went to the Super Bowl and fell the fuck off. Same shit goes for the Panthers. And same goes for the Falcons. And the best team right now IMO is the Saints and they can't even say they've been in the playoffs back to back years. That will probably change this year however.
Yea by the time the playoffs come around the NFC east has beaten up on each other. You gotta take that into consideration. Its a tougher road to the playoffs through the NFC East than any other division in the NFC.
Joe is not the greatest QB, he's the greatest playoff QB maybe but greatest? No. Jim Brown is the greatest player ever.
Bullshit. The 9ers put together 2 of the most dominant teams in NFL history (89/94) and has the 2nd greatest 18-1 team of all time (84) plus the 9er playoff runs left no question that they were the best of the best.
The redskins put together ONE dominant team, the Giants, ZERO.
Bullshit. If that were the case the 9ers wouldn't have been able to whoop the Giants asses and the Deadskins asses in the playoffs. Sure, the Giants got lucky in ONE GAME against the 9ers, but look at history, the 9ers OWN the NFC EAST. Hell, the 9ers started their dynasty on defeating the Cowpies.
If you think that then you don't know Steve Young, He was going to be a hall of famer where ever he went...
This is a crock of bullshit because if that was the case the Philadelphia pigeons should have had 5 Lombardi trophies during the Mcnabb era, what offense do you think they are running up there?
The only coaches who productively run the west coast offense are Holmgren and Shanahan, oh, wait, they were the offensive coordinators for Joe and Steve in 89 and 94 respectively.
GTFOH. YOU OBVIOUSLY NEVER SAW JOE PLAY. 3 TIMES SUPERBOWL MVP. NEVER THREW A PIC IN A SUPERBOWL EVER. THREW 5 TOUCHDOWNS IN ONE SUPERBOWL GAME.
Guess who threw more?
STEVE YOUNG THREW 6, COUNT'EM, 6 TOUCHDOWNS and ZERO INTERCEPTIONS IN ONE SUPERBOWL GAME. AND CHECK THIS; SHANAHAN CHEWED HIM OUT FOR NOT THROWING 8 TOUCHDOWNS.
Where's WAS Elway, Marino, and where IS Brady and Peyton with these numbers?
*waiting for the Peyton and Brady nut swingers who will roll up in here talkin about "Peyton's job is tougher, he has to play in a dome" or "Brady got Adam Veneteri in field goal range, that counts"*
What Giant fans like to forget:
In a January 1994 divisional playoff, Watters set an NFL postseason record with five rushing touchdowns in the game, as the 49ers trounced the New York Giants 44-3.
Nothing in their inconsistent season, or in their first 40 minutes against the New York Giants, suggested the Niners were capable of the second-biggest comeback in NFL playoff history.
The 49ers stayed making "history" off the NFC EAST
In a January 1994 divisional playoff, Watters set an NFL postseason record with five rushing touchdowns in the game, as the 49ers trounced the New York Giants 44-3.
Nothing in their inconsistent season, or in their first 40 minutes against the New York Giants, suggested the Niners were capable of the second-biggest comeback in NFL playoff history.
The 49ers stayed making "history" off the NFC EAST
I would enter this debate, but that would mean I have acknowledged the cowgirls fans as an ally. That my friend..I cannot do....Goodday
I feel where you coming from...that's my argument against Jerry Rice. However, Joe made his legend against my Coogs @ Notre Dame...then damn near took the Chiefs to the Super Bowl playing Marty-Ball. Hell the Chiefs aint been shit since he left
I feel where you coming from...that's my argument against Jerry Rice. However, Joe made his legend against my Coogs @ Notre Dame...then damn near took the Chiefs to the Super Bowl playing Marty-Ball. Hell the Chiefs aint been shit since he left
@ "Marty-Ball"
So uh, JD, when you finish living in the past maybe you can hop into the Delorean and join us here in the present and re-read what the OP originally posted.
Here, I'll help you...
See, the last decade would refer to the years 2000-2010, not the 1990s, which you so fondly remember, but that's in the past now JD.
In other words what have the Niners, or anybody else for that matter, in the NFC West done lately?
Hey, niggas was talkin that "awwww nigga, the NFC West is weak nigga..." bullshit back in the day too.
And hey, I've acknowledged on several occasions that the 9ers organization was fuckin up. John York and Terry Donahue did a "W" on the 9er organization. NOBODY wanted to play for the 9ers until John stepped down and handed the reigns to Jed. Singletary is STILL cleaning up the mess Mike Nolan made by trying to salvage Alex Smith's career. And Eddie isn't blameless either, if that muthafucka didn't get caught up in that river boat gambling bullshit he'd still have the 9ers.
All I'm saying is that Giants and Pigeon fans need a reality check, they actin' like their teams dominated the double o's n shit.
LOL, I hear ya!
Not forgetting the past at all, it's the OP that's on some ish!
We know that the balance of power shifts but in this decade there is no question that the NFC East is better than the NFC West and everyone here has brought in the numbers to prove it just like you brought in the numbers to show San Fran's dominance in the last century (lol).
No matter how you stack it, head-to-head, winning percentage, number of teams that go to the play-offs, the NFC East dominates during the regular season.
What Giant fans like to forget:
In a January 1994 divisional playoff, Watters set an NFL postseason record with five rushing touchdowns in the game, as the 49ers trounced the New York Giants 44-3.
Nothing in their inconsistent season, or in their first 40 minutes against the New York Giants, suggested the Niners were capable of the second-biggest comeback in NFL playoff history.
The 49ers stayed making "history" off the NFC EAST
I guess you forgot about '86.
New York Giants 49 - San Francisco 49ers 3
But you got us back on your way to a 3-peat................
whats ur point? aside from those great 49er teams of the late 80s early 90s, NFC west aint shit. the 9ers suck. the seahawks suck. cards are a cinderella team. the rams? lol.
What Giant fans like to forget:
In a January 1994 divisional playoff, Watters set an NFL postseason record with five rushing touchdowns in the game, as the 49ers trounced the New York Giants 44-3.
Nothing in their inconsistent season, or in their first 40 minutes against the New York Giants, suggested the Niners were capable of the second-biggest comeback in NFL playoff history.
The 49ers stayed making "history" off the NFC EAST
ONE team...
I guess you forgot that the NFC EAST won 4 straight Super Bowls in the 90s...THEN the 9ers won one THEN the Cowboys won another...so that's 5 in 6 years, Cowboys 3, Skins 1, Giants 1. But we are talking about the past decade not two decades ago...Skins did go to the bowl 5 times tho, just came up short twice, one was an undefeated team, the Miami Dolphins...the other lost to the Raiders (which would've been back to back SB wins they they were takin too much shit and the raiders puhished em) man i'm gettin off topic
Arizona 0-1 in SB
Seattle 0-1
St Louis 1-2
San Fran 5-0 6-3 SB not bad not bad...
Washington 3-2
New York 3-1
Dallas 5-3
Philly 0-2
11-8 hmm... NFC EAST has and will always be better than the NFC WEST...
LMBAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
jd and fagboys fans....still livin in the past.
jd and fagboys fans....still livin in the past.
True... But the Giants KNOCKED Montana clean out... courtesy of Jim Burt and Leonard Marshall...
i remember that vicious-ass hit too
You have the Disney movie bag boy led team and two ass teams that you're bragging about here. The Arizona Cardinals have to be one of the worst teams to ever make the Superbowl in history.
Weren't they just a game over .500? Playing in a bullshit division is the only reason that team made the playoffs to begin with.
True... But the Giants KNOCKED Montana clean out... courtesy of Jim Burt and Leonard Marshall...
I remember the Burt hit. I was very young and only used to watch playoff games.
They thought Jim Burt killed Montana.
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