***The Lie called Evolution***

[Les W]

Now that's out of the way, can we get back to the point? The point is "evolution is a theory, not a fact."
You choose to believe in the theory of evolution... That is OK with me, but don't bash those that don't believe in the evolution theory.

I agree with the bolded and will also add that theory is always changing ... like the theory of motion and all the other "pop science" layman take for granted

Science at the end of the day is a nebulous subject ... and the disciplines themselves are pretty nebulous ... but after so many centuries of religious foolery it was instituted/used for two main purposes:
1. Universal aka global application and unification of knowledge (very important as religion tends to be more regional)
2. Decentralized dogma ... no one person or group can execute edicts and credos to establish a law ... it is largely rule by committee ... which is also very important

with that said it is still dogmatic to some degree and now people are substituting science for religion ... but hey were human right

btw if you don't post "them books"

 

[Blunt]

Blunt,
You are right, it can be tested and has been found to be folly by scientific study. The point is, it is just a theory. It is not a fact. Neither is religion a fact.
Believe what you wish, why must one be bashed for the other? Let the religious believe their theory, and the evolutionists believe theirs, and so on.

Are you on crack?? Religion is based on totally unprovable fantasy while evolution is based on long-term SCIENTIFIC STUDY and fact. There's no comparison.

How do you function in the REAL world, which requires you to acknowledge the existence of medicine and science in order to negotiate the day?

(And I repeat, next time you go to the hospital tell the doctors that you think their efforts to get you well are based on the same theory as religion.)

 

[lightbright]

Shit for all we know, we could have been engineered by an advanced civilization and brought to this planet. We could have been engineered using DNA from primates.

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Where's your evidence of that?

....in the same test tube that created you.....he was just suggesting it....dumbass....



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[Blunt]

.....he was just suggesting it....dumbass....

The question remains, based on WHAT??? Fool. He's equating an absurd fantasy with something that's actually been scientifically studied.

 

[exiledking]

I agree with the bolded and will also add that theory is always changing ... like the theory of motion and all the other "pop science" layman take for granted

Science at the end of the day is a nebulous subject ... and the disciplines themselves are pretty nebulous ... but after so many centuries of religious foolery it was instituted/used for two main purposes:
1. Universal aka global application and unification of knowledge (very important as religion tends to be more regional)
2. Decentralized dogma ... no one person or group can execute edicts and credos to establish a law ... it is largely rule by committee ... which is also very important

with that said it is still dogmatic to some degree and now people are substituting science for religion ... but hey were human right

btw if you don't post "them books"

I totally agree.

It's sad because theres no debate here, but the anti science crowd comes in with absolutes, we end up defending science and coming off as if we think it's totally infallible, which isn't the point.

 

[tical]

I totally agree.

It's sad because theres no debate here, but the anti science crowd comes in with absolutes, we end up defending science and coming off as if we think it's totally infallible, which isn't the point.

Yep! Has "THE SCIENTIST" posted any credibility to his claim yet? Shitt i'm even willing to lower it to a certificate of any science course!

 

[Count23]

Damn Cold! You think he's Halo's Kin? If so you know hes not posting shit right? Because he dont got shit! We also need him to post his Published work(s) since he's a scientist and all! Hell just the title and the basis of his thesis will do!

I'm still trippin on how dude named Dawkins as being against evolution

I agree with the bolded and will also add that theory is always changing ... like the theory of motion and all the other "pop science" layman take for granted

Science at the end of the day is a nebulous subject ... and the disciplines themselves are pretty nebulous ... but after so many centuries of religious foolery it was instituted/used for two main purposes:
1. Universal aka global application and unification of knowledge (very important as religion tends to be more regional)
2. Decentralized dogma ... no one person or group can execute edicts and credos to establish a law ... it is largely rule by committee ... which is also very important

with that said it is still dogmatic to some degree and now people are substituting science for religion ... but hey were human right

btw if you don't post "them books"

 

[donwuan]

Thats unfortunate i have no problem with anyone not "believing" the mechanisms of evolution.However, the problem with that is if they're reasonable, look at the data, look at the experiments, look at its everyday occurrence in those species who have generation times superior to ours, say microbes, its slaps you right in the face! Their is a reason, why microbes from hospital setting tend to be the most resistant? A legitimate fear from the medical community, a new trend in mixing and matching cillin and even higher dosages requirement and strict regulation of those dosages ( does the OP even know the mechanisms that play into this?) Ultimately the point is if you know what your talking about, you wouldn't start threads like this, because it only highlights you have no understanding of what evolution truly is.

Oh the irony. The theory of microbe evolution is so far fetched I can't believe you would bring this up as a counter to the OP's post.

All known mutations in animal and plant germ cells are neutral, harmful, or fatal. To make any lasting change, a beneficial mutation would have to spread through a population and become fixed.

Now explain how you microbe theory proves evolution. You post that generalized statement and it's suppose to just debunk the facts the OP stated. Explain to us "the mechanisms that play into this". Don't worry we'll wait.

 

[NewyorkRealTalk]

Are you on crack?? Religion is based on totally unprovable fantasy while evolution is based on long-term SCIENTIFIC STUDY and fact. There's no comparison.

How do you function in the REAL world, which requires you to acknowledge the existence of medicine and science in order to negotiate the day?

(And I repeat, next time you go to the hospital tell the doctors that you think their efforts to get you well are based on the same theory as religion.)

 

[donwuan]

you guys are un fucking real. You go from contesting evolution because you must've heard someone say "missing link" before, again a question thats been answered 100 times and doubting it to saying that being made by an advanced civilization WHO YOU'VE NEVER SEE OR CAN EVEN NAME is just as possible.

Please say you don't have kids..

You never say shit. You're a professional commenter. All you have is fucking more questions.

 

[donwuan]

Charles Darwin had a glimpse of the problem in his day. He wrote in his book On the Origin of Species: "The number of intermediate varieties which have formerly existed on Earth must be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory."

 

[tical]

Oh the irony. The theory of microbe evolution is so far fetched I can't believe you would bring this up as a counter to the OP's post.

All known mutations in animal and plant germ cells are neutral, harmful, or fatal. To make any lasting change, a beneficial mutation would have to spread through a population and become fixed.

Now explain how you microbe theory proves evolution. You post that generalized statement and it's suppose to just debunk the facts the OP stated. Explain to us "the mechanisms that play into this". Don't worry we'll wait.

Interesting, where to begin...

1) Theory of microbe evolution is so far fetched? Really! Lets start simple, the example i gave in relation to more drug resistant microbes, what's your explanation for that? or am i making that up? I'll wait...

2) The term is "Deleterious" not fatal! Provides a "Selective Advantage" not beneficial

3) A Selective Advantage is only as "Fixed" as its selective pressure, I'll help you see RED QUEEN THEORY

4) How my microbe theory PROVES evolution? First, science proves nothing! If you can answer 1) then we'll continue..... Enlighten Me/Us...I'll forward your post to the medical community thats desperately seeking a solution to these super bugs! Well not according to you! or at least not by an evolutionary mechanism!

 

[Midnight Studio Comics]

WITHOUT WAR THERE IS NO EVOLUTION

Meaning in order for evolution to be triggered, something has to attack or endanger the target to force it to evolve. Why the hell do you think certain speacies have defense mechanisims. These muthafuckas were threatened. Look at cockroaches and the evolution of bug spray. Cockroaches eveolve almost every other breeding cycle with an imunity to a certain spray.

In order for something to evolve it must feel threatened. In order for us humans to evolve, something has to put us in a "OH shit" mode for us to advance. Certain things threaten us, but not on a global level.

 

[tical]

WITHOUT WAR THERE IS NO EVOLUTION

Meaning in order for evolution to be triggered, something has to attack or endanger the target to force it to evolve. Why the hell do you think certain speacies have defense mechanisims. These muthafuckas were threatened. Look at cockroaches and the evolution of bug spray. Cockroaches eveolve almost every other breeding cycle with an imunity to a certain spray.

In order for something to evolve it must feel threatened. In order for us humans to evolve, something has to put us in a "OH shit" mode for us to advance. Certain things threaten us, but not on a global level.

A bit on the simplistic side...But your definitely on the right track! Stay Tuned "donwuan" is about to explain to us why when your doctor says make sure you take "all your medication" he's full of shit and dont know what the hell he's talking about!

 

[Count23]

Oh the irony. The theory of microbe evolution is so far fetched I can't believe you would bring this up as a counter to the OP's post.

All known mutations in animal and plant germ cells are neutral, harmful, or fatal. To make any lasting change, a beneficial mutation would have to spread through a population and become fixed.

Now explain how you microbe theory proves evolution. You post that generalized statement and it's suppose to just debunk the facts the OP stated. Explain to us "the mechanisms that play into this". Don't worry we'll wait.

You make it sound as though all of this is suppose to happen in a single generation.

 

[tical]

You make it sound as though all of this is suppose to happen in a single generation.

Count23, i got this! "He already Been served"....he doesn't even know it yet!

 

[Count23]

Count23, i got this! "He already Been served"....he doesn't even know it yet!

He's nothin compared to Ninjaspit. That dude's a headcase.

 

[tical]

He's nothin compared to Ninjaspit. That dude's a headcase.

You not lying.. theirs no seeing reason with that cat! He truly is embarrassing, i stay way clear, in fear of being infected somehow! Man.

 

[Brotlov]

Xking:

Obviously you didn't read the info contained in the lit. review I gave you. Also, gravity is not a theory, it is a fact that has been proven. You jump first to prove my point that it is a fact.

Obviously, you are not a scientist either, or you would know this is a longstanding argument in the scientific community. Why are you so adamant about denying evolution is a theory?

Each of these authors express that evolution is a theory and not a fact. They may work or are working to prove evolution, but they admit that the facts are not there to support evolution theory.

Feel free to stop reading when the argument does not suit your needs.

 

[tical]

I gave you a list of them in a previous message.

Here are the scientists, their literature where they prove evolution is bunk, and the page numbers of the literature where it can be found.

I have the info, but you asked for WHO. I gave you who and a lot more. You go look up the literature for the answers. I am not your TA or research assistant.

Assassin214: Science is a study, not a destination. You can't prove or disprove science, but you can prove or disprove the theories contained in science. A theory must be proven, and evolution is a theory that has NEVER been proven.

Feel free to look up the same info I gave to the board.

Dr. your presence is required in this thread, stat!

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=583405

 

[Count23]

I gave you a list of them in a previous message.

Here are the scientists, their literature where they prove evolution is bunk, and the page numbers of the literature where it can be found.

I have the info, but you asked for WHO. I gave you who and a lot more. You go look up the literature for the answers. I am not your TA or research assistant.

Assassin214: Science is a study, not a destination. You can't prove or disprove science, but you can prove or disprove the theories contained in science. A theory must be proven, and evolution is a theory that has NEVER been proven.

Feel free to look up the same info I gave to the board.

Dude your argument was flawed the minute you mentioned Dawkins. Try again sir.

 

[donwuan]

All you niggaz do is ask more questions. And you ain't got shit homie.

Dumb Ass said:

Lets start simple, the example i gave in relation to more drug resistant microbes, what's your explanation for that? or am i making that up? I'll wait...


Ummm? How does drug resistance show evolution? How does a single cell species compare to humans with trillions of cells? There's no connection here. Far fetched at best.

Dumb Ass said:

The term is "Deleterious" not fatal! Provides a "Selective Advantage" not beneficial.

The Double Edge of Deflection. Notice he had no fucking answer.

Dumb Ass said:

How my microbe theory PROVES evolution? First, science proves nothing! If you can answer 1) then we'll continue..... Enlighten Me/Us...I'll forward your post to the medical community thats desperately seeking a solution to these super bugs! Well not according to you! or at least not by an evolutionary mechanism!

Notice he had no fucking answer again just more questions. Why do the one's that claim to know so much have the lesser of us to answer their dumb ass questions? Science gathers evidence and tests ideas. It becomes an accepted fact after there has been so much testing there is no longer a reason to continue because no evidence is likely to turn up to show otherwise. Thus proof.

 

[Brotlov]

Here is the Dawkins quote:
“And we find many of them [Cambrian fossils] already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say, this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists.” (Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker London)

In response to the lack of a link between the sudden appearance of what he calls "advanced" fossils with no fossil history preceding them. This GAP in fossils is used as an argument for "design."

The use of Hawkin is to show that he accepts this gap in the fossil record as significant. Not that he is against evolution.......

It is apparent the responses in this thread are designed to go after the member instead of reading the post. I never said Dawkins was against evolution, but someone drew that conclusion and others ran with it.

I am done with this post. I thought it was an interesting read, in the beginning. I don't know what the "end game" is.

I made my point a long time ago, evolution is a theory and should NOT be presented as a fact...... That was it.

 

[tical]

All you niggaz do is ask more questions. And you ain't got shit homie.

Dumb Ass said:

Lets start simple, the example i gave in relation to more drug resistant microbes, what's your explanation for that? or am i making that up? I'll wait...


Ummm? How does drug resistance show evolution? How does a single cell species compare to humans with trillions of cells? There's no connection here. Far fetched at best.

Dumb Ass said:

The term is "Deleterious" not fatal! Provides a "Selective Advantage" not beneficial.

The Double Edge of Deflection. Notice he had no fucking answer.

Dumb Ass said:

How my microbe theory PROVES evolution? First, science proves nothing! If you can answer 1) then we'll continue..... Enlighten Me/Us...I'll forward your post to the medical community thats desperately seeking a solution to these super bugs! Well not according to you! or at least not by an evolutionary mechanism!

Notice he had no fucking answer again just more questions. Why do the one's that claim to know so much have the lesser of us to answer their dumb ass questions? Science gathers evidence and tests ideas. It becomes an accepted fact after there has been so much testing there is no longer a reason to continue because no evidence is likely to turn up to show otherwise. Thus proof.

Wow! I should have known! Well, "donwuan" you got me proved me to be a "dumb ass" Taught me:

1) Single Cell species can't evolve! Only multi-cell organisms
2) Science has FACTS, because " Science gathers evidence and tests ideas.It becomes an accepted fact after there has been so much testing there is no longer a reason to continue because no evidence is likely to turn up to show otherwise. "

Thank you for the lesson, you won!

 

[donwuan]

You make it sound as though all of this is suppose to happen in a single generation.

It has to be more than one dumb ass. It has to sweep. Most people have 10 fingers. But a few have 9. But 10 fingers is the dominate trait. For evolution to happen there would have to be a sweep of people with 9 fingers for that trait to evolve. It's not only about time. It's not that simple.

 

[donwuan]

Wow! I should have known! Well, "donwuan" you got me proved me to be a "dumb ass" Taught me:

1) Single Cell species can't evolve! Only multi-cell organism
2) Science has FACTS, because " Science gathers evidence and tests ideas.It becomes an accepted fact after there has been so much testing there is no longer a reason to continue because no evidence is likely to turn up to show otherwise. "

Thank you for the lesson, you won!

I never expected your dumb ass to answer one fucking question. I have gain nothing from you so what is there to win. Clown.

 

[AtomAnt]

Where's your evidence of that?

The Sumerian Tablets

 

[Count23]

It has to be more than one dumb ass. It has to sweep. Most people have 10 fingers. But a few have 9. But 10 fingers is the dominate trait. For evolution to happen there would have to be a sweep of people with 9 fingers for that trait to evolve. It's not only about time. It's not that simple.

slow down tranny lover. The environment could change leaving 9 fingered people with a significant survival advantage over 10 fingered people, meaning that they would have a better chance of breeding. Depending on the size of the populations of the 2 groups, the 9 fingered people could end up outbreeding the 10 fingered population.

or they could simply branch off from the 10 fingered people and over the course of several mutations/generations later become a separate species.

i still don't understand your point about single microbes tho.

 

[donwuan]

slow down tranny lover. The environment could change leaving 9 fingered people with a significant survival advantage over 10 fingered people, meaning that they would have a better chance of breeding. Depending on the size of the populations of the 2 groups, the 9 fingered people could end up outbreeding the 10 fingered population.

or they could simply branch off from the 10 fingered people and over the course of several mutations/generations later become a separate species.

i still don't understand your point about single microbes tho.

Dumb ass. What you're describing is Natural Selection not Evolution. A 9 finger mutations is a loss of genetic information from the genetic code. Mutations cannot generate new genetic information making 9 fingered people have 9 fingered babies even though the chance of the mutation slight increases. For Evolution to occur the code would have to change causing the sweep I mention earlier.


It's not single microbes. It's single cell microbes so obviously you don't understand it. Evolutionist believe humans evolved from single cell microbes coming together in the trillions to form the human species over billions of years. It's a pretty far fetch theory being that we are made up of trillions of cells and microbes are only one cell. There are many microbes that are harmful to us so the odds of trillions of cells coming to together with out flaw is highly not probable.

 

[Eclipse99]

To answer everyone's question, "WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE DIE"

 

[hsm2448]

It makes much more sense that a magical being in the sky that is a god but has human qualities created everything in the world in 6 days.

 

[Blunt]

To answer everyone's question, "WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE DIE"

You won't know what??

 

[Eclipse99]

You won't know what??

Why are we here...

which is the real reason for all this God/evolution debate. Just ask yourself this question, if you knew exactly what happens when you die or if knew exactly why you're on this earth would it change the way you live your life right now?

More than likely it would, but since we cannot actually answer this age old question there will ALWAYS be debates on religion,science,evolution,etc...to "try" and answer this question. so I say just let it ride man and live your life, but the discussions are very interesting

 

[Count23]

Dumb ass. What you're describing is Natural Selection not Evolution. A 9 finger mutations is a loss of genetic information from the genetic code. Mutations cannot generate new genetic information making 9 fingered people have 9 fingered babies even though the chance of the mutation slight increases. For Evolution to occur the code would have to change causing the sweep I mention earlier.

You really aren't bright aren't you? I guess I have to color inside the lines for you too huh? @ REd bolded which is why I said

The environment could change leaving 9 fingered people with a significant survival advantage over 10 fingered people, meaning that they would have a better chance of breeding.

which may lead to...

Depending on the size of the populations of the 2 groups, and other factors the 9 fingered people could end up outbreeding the 10 fingered population.


BTW how can you say that mutations cannot produce new genetic information yet in the same damn sentence say that there is a higher chance the the offspring will be born with the mutation. WTF are the parents passing on if its not new genetic information?

It's not single microbes. It's single cell microbes so obviously you don't understand it. Evolutionist believe humans evolved from single cell microbes coming together in the trillions to form the human species over billions of years. It's a pretty far fetch theory being that we are made up of trillions of cells and microbes are only one cell. There are many microbes that are harmful to us so the odds of trillions of cells coming to together with out flaw is highly not probable.

Actually, "evolutionists" argue that humans came from a long line of "human-like" ancestors, who came from an ape like ancestor, who came from an early mammalian like ancestor....blah blah blah, eventually leading to the single celled microbes.

If you want, plz tell the class how and why this doesn't make sense, or better yet, what are the viable alternatives for the diversity of life on this planet? Then again you said that no new genetic material is generated by mutations yet somehow magically, any descendants born from the mutant has a higher chance of being born with the mutation. You're the one saying that I'm arguing natural selection not evolution even tho everyone as far as i can tell is arguing about evolution via natural selection. Shit you're even confused about whether or not you like trannies, so whatever the fuck.

 

[harlem1nyc]

a little knowledge is called stupidity...