Oh heck yeah.
If he would have took old buddy to the basket from the one move he did that got past the defender, then no problem from me.
But instead, he pulled him back out and started dancing.
That would not fly of any level of competition.
The Donald Trump Effect: This High School Ref deserves his ass whipped for this bullshit...
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Oh heck yeah.
If he would have took old buddy to the basket from the one move he did that got past the defender, then no problem from me.
But instead, he pulled him back out and started dancing.
That would not fly of any level of competition.
What if he was supposed to be using up the clock?
And why did the ref whistle as he was driving past the defender?
Smells like bs to me.
And why did the ref whistle as he was driving past the defender?
Smells like bs to me.
You can tell who has played on a structured team and who hasn't. ALL of my coaches were black.. You DO NOT take cues from spectators! "You hear your moms or pops calling, I bet not catch you NOT focusing on this game to wave!" Sorry you want to showboat do that on the playground and when you get paid for what you do. There were many a player that changed schools for white coaches that would let them do that shyt. Coaches getting punked out for simple discipline by some punks parents. Problem is he had no control and cats would do shyt like this but then get bulldozed by even weaker teams cause the coach had no control.
Good point
Normal under the context of what? That was John Woodens problem. So, if you have a fast break, it's cool to go between the legs and dunk, or 360 and dunk, or do a behind the back dunk? Are their extra points awarded for the 'showmanship' of the Dunk? Is all that shit necessary to score the 2 points? So, all the shit I just named is normal?!?!?!
Is a chest bump necessary after a score? Why not just get back on defense? How about a single clap between the player and their teammates?
Theres a difference between taunting and entertaining... Did the kid point or show up the other team? Are these things discussed before the game with the coaches? (I coached HS Ball and my Brother in Law coaches one of the best teams in the state and they play a lot of the best competition in multiple states and at NOT time has this type of 'rule' been discussed before a game.... Next thing, cheer leading teams are going to get techs if their cheers don't end in telling the other team good job or their chants don't focus on wishing both teams good luck...
Anybody who doesn't see the motive behind this bullshit tech is either being disingenuous or is seriously not too bright...
Exactly.... Ref took so long to call the tech because he was trying to figure out what to do... So now, footwork is a tech? Slippery slope when Dudes start co-signing on this bullshit! Just because your competition can't do it doesn't make it wrong. Next thing you know, if you shoot a shot from too far away from the basket its a tech! Or if you do more than one crossover and go between the legs more than once on a move its a tech. Lay up? You better NOT tap the back board when you shoot it... Only take 3 dribbles max before you shoot your foul shot... FOH!!
Kid was in the process of driving and the ref stops the play to call that shit...
He was in the process of driving to the basket when it was called. I could see if it was 30 seconds of this shit and he would get past the kid and keep pulling it back out... I take the game seriously as well, have coached it, but ultimately, the game is a balance of entertainment and the game... and it is called a 'GAME' for a reason...
As I said before, we might as well go back to the days of Jimmy Chitwood and Hoosiers style of play if we start censoring kids for this type of bullshit! As I asked B'Turd... all those extra theatrics on Dunks and big play celebrations, we should outlaw all of that stuff too... It's unnecessary and doesn't add to the 'quality' of play or increase the score... All of these variations of Dunks, and dribbling (cross overs, etc) are not NECESSARY and especially the variations are done for what purpose... to entertain... Same difference here...
He was in the process of driving to the basket when it was called. I could see if it was 30 seconds of this shit and he would get past the kid and keep pulling it back out... I take the game seriously as well, have coached it, but ultimately, the game is a balance of entertainment and the game... and it is called a 'GAME' for a reason...
As I said before, we might as well go back to the days of Jimmy Chitwood and Hoosiers style of play if we start censoring kids for this type of bullshit! As I asked B'Turd... all those extra theatrics on Dunks and big play celebrations, we should outlaw all of that stuff too... It's unnecessary and doesn't add to the 'quality' of play or increase the score... All of these variations of Dunks, and dribbling (cross overs, etc) are not NECESSARY and especially the variations are done for what purpose... to entertain... Same difference here...
Consider me of one of those basketball players that do not take kindly to a kat dancing like the OP.
I hated when the And1 craze made it to NC. I pushed a lot of kats down because of that. Thinking its cute and all. Dancing can't stop a hard foul. But that's the type of player I am. I've been dunked on, crossed up (even fell), and even had 40 points dropped on me exclusive. I've been embarrassed before in ball, but nobody has never danced on me. At some point I draw the line on how I get styled on. Lol.
All that dancing is just uncalled for bruh. He spent 10 or so seconds dancing. He even beat dude off the dribbled and pulled him back just so he could dance some more, then then ref hit him with a tech.
I get the whole entertainment part of basketball. Watching Steph and dumbass Kyrie style on people is fun. But dancing bruh? Dancing all that time and not even get a shot off. Passed it once just to get it right back?
He need to take that shit to street courts where just about anything is allowed.
I feel you... and I still ask the question, so all that extra shit on dunks and post big play celebrating is cool? Is that a necessary part of the game? All of that stuff is under the 'look at me' persona in my opinion... and I for one don't have an issue with it...
Again, its a GAME, and when we take a game too seriously, we take the joy out of the GAME! Also this is a different time and generation... I'm of the thought process, in ANY context when it comes to a GAME, just like Cam or somebody else said when people were bitching about his TD celebrations... If you don't like what I'm doing, stop me from getting into the end zone... If they don't like what this kid is doing, stop him from doing it... Steal the ball from him, shut him down, force him to stop doing it....
To call a tech on that shit was weak as fuck...
I get it, but just because it's a GAME doesn't mean that people can't incorporate their own standards of it should played. Some people will see it more than just a GAME.
If the kid would have scored, then I wouldn't have as much problem. But he was losing the ball and wasn't doing anything.
Plus, these athletes arent the same. We would stop a player from acting dumb. Folks would get ejected but the message was sent.
But to point out. I treat street ball and organized ball totally different. I'm ok with that shit in street ball.
So again, all the extra stuff I named, which techs are NOT called, that stuff is acceptable, necessary and not showboating?
It is showboating but at least they scored.
Didn't know if this kid would have scored because he called the tech on him... so, theoretically, what you are saying is, showboating is ok as long as a score is attached to it?
Kid wasn't trying to score.
And Yes, because scoring is something to celebrate.
So... if a player tries a between the legs dunk, or a 360 dunk, etc. and misses, the referee should stop play and call a tech?
A kat trying a 360 in a game doesn't take 10 seconds to do, bruh.
Little dude was doing nothing but dancing. Wasn't even trying to score.
White niggas gat u niggas trained well
Half this thread woulda told Harriet Tubman she doing Too much
Fuk em
Plus, the refs don't say shit when we go into a hostile environment and get called monkeys and other illicit Bullshit
Divide and conquer ass niggas
"No Harriet, u gonna git us in trouble"
Half this thread woulda told Harriet Tubman she doing Too much
Fuk em
Plus, the refs don't say shit when we go into a hostile environment and get called monkeys and other illicit Bullshit
Divide and conquer ass niggas
"No Harriet, u gonna git us in trouble"
We don't know what he was doing...running down the clock...about to try to score...cause the whistle was blown at a very suspect moment.
We do know he was dancing and that ain't trying to score.
And frankly, that's a shitty coach if that's his idea of running down the clock.
Celebrating dunks isn't cool if it costs you points. Cats want to celebrate over a quick two points then that takes away from them playing defense on the other end. It is similar to Green Bay the other teams player wants to walk off the field and Aaron Rodgers wants to get a play off with too many players on the field. It's dirty, but because you want to drag ass you cost us field position.
Why is this a debate? We are now comparing this to The Underground Railroad, it is one thing to have a friendly conversation, but seriously?!?!? Cats gotta have a House knee-grow mentality over what seems to be Middle School officiating?!?! You know what I am wrong you are right. I have bills, and a family to take care of. Sorry for the disagreement.
The play wasn't allowed to play out... could have ended up with an assist, or a score, the other team was in a zone....
While I understand the point you are trying to make, unless there are clearly defined rules, this tech was still a bullshit tech call. All fans don't see things the same way, some enjoy the entertainment aspects and then you have the 'John Wooden' type of fans who don't like the new generation stuff. My whole point is, basketball evolves, generations evolve, and to 'force' kids to adapt to and not be able to evolve will always be detrimental to the progression of the game. Even with us, when we were this kids age, we didn't have kids as athletic, 6-8 PGs and the ability to shoot 30 foot jumpers... Handles weren't as pronounced, etc., so there were limitations then that don't exist now...
When you start using unwritten 'rules' like the length of time, if things end in a score or not, etc. at that point in my opinion that's reaching and starting down a slippery slope. Also, a lot of this type of thinking is confined to limiting our people and isn't across the board fair. You don't see too many white kids with the ability to do this type of thing, which is why when we do they become celebrities whereas a black kid with the same skill level is not as celebrated and normal...
This was a bullshit tech call... maybe a warning to the coach, etc. but to call that tech at that point was not cool and unacceptable. Rules are there for a reason, and should be followed as they are written. If we leave it up to interpretation why have rules in the first place? The game would be played in accordance to the likes and dislikes of the referees...
You aren't psychic...you have an opinion.
Usually when someone is driving thru the paint towards the basket they are making a play. They might be trying to score or pass for the score...so why blow the whistle THEN?
Maybe I'm just an old ass, but the little "skip" move as he's bringing the ball up is one thing...
the tippytoes shit and the underhand pass, I'm subbing someone in for him
after the moonwalk shit, I would have his ass running laps after the game.
all this and 1 and sportscenter shit got these kids in a whole different mentality about how the game is/should be played
do I agree with the tech? no, but I'm pulling any of my players showing his ass like that. When you get in the league and get payed to do that shit, have at it
We will have to chalk it up as "I'm the Coach and you doing too much."
the tippytoes shit and the underhand pass, I'm subbing someone in for him
after the moonwalk shit, I would have his ass running laps after the game.
all this and 1 and sportscenter shit got these kids in a whole different mentality about how the game is/should be played
do I agree with the tech? no, but I'm pulling any of my players showing his ass like that. When you get in the league and get payed to do that shit, have at it
We will have to chalk it up as "I'm the Coach and you doing too much."
The fact that you got so tender and sensitive over a discussion we wee having is actually more indicative of your current state of mind and issues you have than the individuals having a discussion. Seem a bit tight so you may need a laxative or maybe talk to somebody because you are either trying to hard here, or you have issues to deal with...
Not that serious bruh... go on ahead and get those bills paid...
I totally agree with your assessment Bro, it's up to the coach, who is responsible to the team, to discipline the player. The ref calling that tech was bullshit... As I said before, I wouldn't have a problem if the ref talked to the coach, coaches during a time out or called a timeout himself to address it, and allow the coaches to handle that. Team loses a game by 1 point and that missed possession could have an impact because of an overzealous ref...
Going between the legs or a fancy dunk is part of the game. Taunting by dancing which is a none basketball play deserves a Tech.
High fives and chest bumps are acceptable celebrations. You are a smart guy so you know the difference between acceptable celebrations and over the top taunting
SO showboating is now a part of the game. Over exuberant celebrations are part of the game? Again, if we are talking about excess, which is what the biggest complaint of this kid was, you have a break away dunk, what is the need for all of the theatrics, if its not to showboat and show up the other team and entertain the crowd?
So, the only people with the ability to 'showboat' in the context of the game are people who are tall enough or athletic enough to perform fancy dunks? A smaller person like this kid, can't use the level of talent and ability they have to entertain?
You're team is up 20, you get a break, and pull out a dunk contest dunk, thats cool?
Like I said before, Cam gave the perfect response to this whiny shit... You don't like how he does it, stop him from doing it. If a player has issues with being danced on, D the Dude up, steal the ball, cause a turnover, whatever but STOP HIM FROM DOING IT!!! Because the other player isn't capable of stopping him, now its 6 on 5...
Basically you are caping for a movement to 'keep the game white' because this type of logic PRIMARILY will only impact and handcuff black players... White kids don't flow like this so, lets do whatever we can to keep the game as 'Hoosiers' like as possible...
Bullshit ass tech call...
Nigga they lost the game. So this was not about a white man trying to help a white team. They won the game while dude out there dancing catching Meek Mills
Sure it was... don't want to see the poor white kid get embarrassed so lets get the lil Nigga in line...
Edit they did win
I get your point as well.
I just don't agree with the dancing and think is totally uncalled for. Unnecessary and in little man's case, pointless.
Not really seeing the progression, but I do understand evolving aspect.
A bullshit call, probably but lesson learned to the young man. Not everyone is going to be cool with the shit he does or think it's cute.
Lol.
Bruh, everybody was just standing around watching him dance and not do shit. Who was moving around looking for a pass or cutting to that basketball. All of 10 seconds worth.
He walked up the court dancing (I'm cool with that). Lost the ball. Passed it to his teammate who passed it immediately back to him where he began dancing again. Beat the dude off the dribble, pulled the defender back out and started dancing AGAIN. Then got hit with a tech.
And you're talking about "they might be trying be to score or pass for the score."
You're right, not a psychic. I can agree that much. And I do have an opinion. That's also true, but I highly doubt he was trying to make a play.
The reason this whole tech situation is even psuedo news is because its bullshit... If it wasn't, or if it was the acceptable thing to do, the situation wouldn't be being discussed...
What we are saying is at that level of basketball that kind of play is not acceptable.
No doubt Bro, and as I said before, if I'm his coach, I would have pulled his ass from the game, chewed him out, and he would spend the entire next practice running sprints and other shit! My issue is, the ref if he had a problem with it, at the next dead ball, or timeout, should have spoken to both coaches and addressed it and leave the discipline to the coaches.
A tech can change the entire momentum and outcome of a game, and that was not an offense that warranted that, especially if it wasn't specifically spoken at the beginning of the game...
clown shit.
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