The Americans: The 2nd best espionage/spy show on TV

yeah I was thinking about that.... assuming by the U2 song they played during the train scene, that was 1986, and I think they said Henry was 16, so in that universe, he's 48 now. That would be great to catch up with him and seeing him either contacted by Philip/Liz and to see if Paige had been in touch.

also played that Dire Straits song..was immediately reminded of that Miami Vice episode"Out Where The Buses Don't Run"
 
i got a big hole in my tv viewing and I dont know what can or will ever fill it
only thing close but completely different is Game of Thrones which ends next year

wtf? i might have to start reading or something
"we'll get used to it.."
Second time OLeg goes to prison for trying to do the right thing.
Oleg. His calling to do right just fucked him in the end. it's so sad but damn.
He said they'll trade my son. I can get him back.
He said no. No, you can't get him back.

come on man
well- Oleg should end up being ok... following real history USSR (Gorbachev) should have traded for him within 2 or 3 years via the MER (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) - bypassing the KGB

Here is how the end of the fictional story ties into history: Gorbachev's faction got the intel of the soft coup atempt... (end of fiction)
IRL between 86 and 88 Gorbachev starts exposing KGB history in past purges to the people of the USSR, replacing a portion of KGB leadership including its head by 88

Although Gorbachev continued to rely on the KGB in his drive to purge the party and state apparatus of corrupt officials, toward the end of 1986 signs indicated that his relations with this organization were becoming strained. The KGB cannot have been pleased about the reformist polices promoted by Gorbachev, in particular openness in the media and liberalization of cultural norms. Calls for reform of the judicial and legal systems, voiced with increasing frequency in the autumn of 1986, signified that the Gorbachev leadership was attempting to curtail arbitrary KGB actions against citizens. This attempt became even more apparent in January 1987, when Chebrikov acknowledged, on the front page of Pravda, that employees of the KGB had committed illegalities. Such an acknowledgment of KGB abuses was unprecedented. Even during the Khrushchev era, when the crimes of Stalin's security police were exposed, the KGB was never criticized in the press. Observers speculated that, having depended initially on KGB support to purge the Brezhnevites, Gorbachev decided by early 1987 that he was strong enough to embark on reforms that might antagonize this institution.

It was not long, however, before signs of opposition to Gorbachev's policies arose, and a "conservative backlash" occurred. Although the opposition appears to have been led by disgruntled party leaders such as Egor K. Ligachev, the second-ranking member of the Politburo, the KGB probably joined forces with these conservatives. Chebrikov's comments, in particular his strident speech delivered in September 1987, made it clear that the KGB would not allow the democratic reforms to go too far: "There must be a clear awareness that the restructuring is taking place in our state and society under the leadership of the Communist Party, within the framework of socialism and in the interests of socialism. This revolutionary process will be reliably protected against any subversive intrigues." The subsequent ouster of a leading proponent of Gorbachev's reforms, Moscow party chief Boris El'tsin, was an indication of the strength of the opposition to Gorbachev.

Although he made some strategic retreats in early 1988, Gorbachev continued to pursue his policy of perestroika, and exposures of illegal KGB activities continued. Even more threatening for the KGB were unprecedented revelations about security police terror under Stalin. Although the role of the police in the purges had been discussed since the Khrushchev era, glasnost' resulted in a much more devastating critique of the role of the police during this period. Ethnic unrest of various nationalities, together with increasingly bold political demands by the Soviet intelligentsia, also presented the KGB with significant challenges. In a speech delivered in mid-April, Chebrikov expressed concern that things were going too far and that some individuals were "unleashing a wide-ranging arsenal of methods of social demagoguery and substituting bourgeois liberalism for the essence of the concept of socialist democracy." Subsequently, in October 1988 Chebrikov lost his position as chief of the KGB and was replaced by Vladimir Kriuchkov.

https://fas.org/irp/world/russia/intro/su0513.htm
but of course the KGB got its revenge in 91
 
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The Americans: Here's What (Probably) Happened to Everyone After the Finale

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(The following contains major spoilers for the series finale of The Americans. Read at your own risk.)

The Americans' series finale was one for the ages, a heartbreaking but inevitable end for the Jennings as their family unit pretty much disintegrated. But hey, they all made it out with their lives, at least.

As great of an example for how to end a series as the finale was, it didn't answer all the questions you probably have. That was intentional; there were no flashforwards into the future to show us the ultimate fates of each character. Things were left very ambiguous for the viewer to make up their own mind as to what happened next, and in a conference call with The Americans masterminds Joel Fields and Joe Weisberg, they said that over and over.

"We want to walk a sort of fine line there, because we're very reluctant to impose too much of our thought process on that where we really want to let the scene speak for itself and the audience have their own moment with it, because we think everyone is going to view it differently," Fields said of the finale scene. Neither would say what happened to Paige or Henry, either, instead putting it on you to decide.

But just because they left it open to you to figure out what happened to each of these characters, it doesn't mean you have to do all the hard work and think of things yourself. This is where I come in, because I know what happened to every major character in The Americans after the finale.

Philip Jennings

Where he left off: Staring off into a Russian metropolis, collectively sad over the loss of his children with his wife Elizabeth (Keri Russell).

What (probably) happened to him after the finale: Spies who are taken out of the field for good can go a few directions, but it's not uncommon for them to remain in the intelligence field in some capacity. A cushy desk job with the KGB likely had Philip's (Matthew Rhys) name on it, where he'd use his experience behind enemy lines to stay in the Cold War.

But that doesn't mean he took it, and given Philip's waning attitude toward the fight for the Motherland when he was working, it's likely he got out of the sector completely. Philip was becoming fond of America in the pilot episode of The Americans, and those feelings never really left him, no matter how much borscht he ate. No, Philip opened his own line dancing bar, Honky Tonk Phil's, right in the heart of Moscow, where he could robotically step out pre-planned routines to country music all night long. And if you say the passphrase ("Do you have a McDonald's Happy Meal?"), he'll take you in the back room where you can peruse his black market Levi's and cowboy boots.

Elizabeth Jennings

Where she left off: With Philip, back in Russia saying they'd get used to being there.

What (probably) happened to her after the finale: The final line of dialogue in the series belongs to Elizabeth, who in Russian tells Philip, "We'll get used to it." Elizabeth is going to have a much easier time back home than Philip will, and what she tells Philip in those final moments may as well translate to, "Let's get back to business!"

Though she toyed with a change of heart toward the end of Season 6, Elizabeth isn't going to stop working for her country. But a desk job wouldn't work for Elizabeth, who does her best work in dangerous situations. She's continuing the fight by getting involved in training young women to be spies. It's cathartic for her as it's what she was doing with Paige (Holly Taylor), but without the American teen rebelliousness of her daughter. It's a much easier job than before, but she still gets to hit people in the face. Win-win!

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Paige Jennings

Where she left off: The eldest Jennings child stepped off a train while her parents continued on to Canada, choosing to stay in America rather than go to Russia.

What (probably) happened to her after the finale: Paige was my favorite character on The Americans so I am not taking this lightly. Her decision to stay in America was a risky one, to say the least. There's no way that she's not brought in by the Feds, and unlike her naive bro, she not only knows that her parents were spies, she was a spy herself! And she was a witness to at least one of her mom's murders! She has plenty to hide, and there's no guarantee that this brownie scout of a spy can withstand the FBI's interrogation process.

She does, however, have dirt on Stan (Noah Emmerich) as she's the only person in the Western Hemisphere who knows that Stan let them go. Could she reach an agreement behind closed doors with Stan to avoid anything severe by having him protect her? Could she, with Stan's help, sell the idea that she too was unaware of her parents' job? Paige was never dumb — except for that time she hitchhiked and almost got raped (oy, Paige!) — so I wouldn't count out a treaty with Stan.

Paige will certainly visit Henry (Keidrich Sellati) either immediately or after the heat dies down, and then she'll have to face his wrath (assuming Stan also told him that she was a spy). It will be rocky going for a while, but their relationship will heal as they're the only family they have now. After that, it's back to a mostly normal college life for Paige, where she's free to go to bars and talk to cute government interns, or beat the sh*t out of them, without any parents breathing down her neck. Her call. She probably also has "With or Without You" playing on loop.

Henry Jennings

Where he left off: At hockey practice, getting metaphorically checked into the boards by learning the truth about his parents from Stan.

What (probably) happened to him after the finale: How would you feel if your whole life was a lie? BUMMED. He probably finished hockey practice and decked somebody as an outlet for his anger. In fact, Henry definitely went through an angry teen phase after learning the truth, and was no doubt a nightmare for Stan, who was left to watch over him.

And being at a fancy pants East Coast boarding school, Henry fell into underage drinking and drug dabbling while he questioned what his life was worth if his parents and sister couldn't even tell him the truth. He'd get kicked off the hockey team, fail classes and be expelled from school for fighting. What, you thought this would be a happy ending for him? In no universe does Henry shrug this off.

However, with Paige and Stan supporting him, Henry rebounds, gets his stuff together and using his love of video games, becoming an integral part of the coding team that would put out one of the greatest video games of all time: EA Sports' NHL 99! Way to go, Henry!

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Stan Beeman

Where he left off: Sorting through the ashes of his life as everything crumbled around him, but keeping the secret that he let the Jennings escape.

What (probably) happened to him after the finale: Poor Stan. His hunch was right all along, and his best friend and neighbor was a Russian spy. Ouch. Stan would keep that secret of letting them go to his grave, continuing to work with the FBI in counterintelligence. In fact, Dennis would feel so bad for ignoring Stan's hunch that his neighbors were spies that he'd give Stan a promotion!

That would eat away at Stan, and his guilt would be unleashed on Renee (Laurie Holden), who was outed as a maybe-spy by Philip as his parting words to Stan. Renee would end up not being a spy (c'mon, she was only in there to raise your paranoia), but Stan would break up with her anyway because he couldn't take the risk.

With no girlfriend and a turbulent relationship with Henry as he spirals downward following learning the truth about hi parents, Stan goes back to EST and finds himself again, quits the FBI and opens one of D.C.'s first holistic healing centers. His positive mental attitude is key in getting Henry back on track, and he still hosts Thanksgiving with Henry and Paige to this day. Awww!


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Mail Robot

Where it left off: Delivering mail in the FBI offices.

What (probably) happened to him after the finale: New technology would be the Mail Robot's downfall, and it would be decommissioned shortly after the events of the finale. Now it's being used as an ottoman in the FBI's chill out lounge. Truly, the saddest ending of the series.

The Americans is available to stream on Amazon Prime Video and FX+.
 
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"we'll get used to it.."



well- Oleg should end up being ok... following real history USSR (Gorbachev) should have traded for him within 2 or 3 years via the MER (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) - bypassing the KGB

Here is how the end of the fictional story ties into history: Gorbachev's faction got the intel of the soft coup atempt... (end of fiction)
IRL between 86 and 88 Gorbachev starts exposing KGB history in past purges to the people of the USSR, replacing a portion of KGB leadership including its head by 88


but of course the KGB got its revenge in 91
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Yeah that was low as shit... but Elizabeth is so lost in her way right now.

I actually started thinking of something... when it comes to the two of them and i don't know why it took so long for me to see the main reason why they are so fundamentally different when it comes to their loyalty to Old Russia.

Yes it is true they they both grew up poor....

Elizabeth was raised a Patriot her entire life.... She got in the game earlier then Paige. I think she was 16 or 17. Her mother basically called her dad a traitor for deserting during World War 2. Elizabeth was so Young that she never had a chance to really see that the Communist way isn't the best way for the continued growth of their people. Even though she was raised extremely pure..... Her mother had a decent job with the Doctorate. Elizabeth was basically in the middle class for Russia.

Phillip on the hand grew up Dirt poor... Dude was getting into Fights and eating scraps out of back of restaurants. Dude was basically the Poor class of Russia. So Phillip appreciates the life that he is able to provide his children. He doesn't want them to go through what he had to. Elizabeth on the other hand is a Loyalist. In her mind, the American way is a determinate to her kids.. which is why she barely talked to Henry.. which to be honest is true.. She has hardly talked to Henry the entire series and to me I think it's because that Henry is basically a walking monument of everything that she hats about democracy.

This is why I'm dreading the fuck out the ending of this show.... I just don't know what it's going to take to get Elizabeth on the same mindset as Philip. She was almost there last year... but even then.. She wanted all of them to pack up and go to Russia.
I think it is also significant that Phillip was Georgian, not Russian.
 
If Paige does get brought back in a Red Sparrow-show that's fine with me ..

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(oh and fuck Phillip and Elizabeth,they cant do shit now ) :lol:

I may be wrong but from seeing her type and her face - she has a very small window of attractiveness - by 30 years old - she will look 40 and playing moms if she is not out of the business altogether.
 
I may be wrong but from seeing her type and her face - she has a very small window of attractiveness - by 30 years old - she will look 40 and playing moms if she is not out of the business altogether.

not sure what she can do but she has the look to pull off playing a teenager for the next 5-10 years
the chick that plays Kimmy is 24
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or the female lead from End of the Fucking World (jessica barden) is 26
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the chick that plays age has gotten older during the run of the show but she looks almost the same
 
not sure what she can do but she has the look to pull off playing a teenager for the next 5-10 years
the chick that plays Kimmy is 24
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or the female lead from End of the Fucking World (jessica barden) is 26
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the chick that plays age has gotten older during the run of the show but she looks almost the same

I JUST watched the Martha in Russia episode...

WOW just WOW
 
Good god man you are late...

Are you sure you want to be in this thread right now... we spoil alot

Oh I KNOW

I aint read nothing really...

I'm binging the last 3 episodes THEN slowly watching the LAST SEASON.

I cannot believe I actually know NOTHING.

But I think my prediction that the son will be a SURPRISE will come true...

If THAT happens?

I'm doing a victory lap.
 
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Wow...I REALLY missed this show...

REALLY.

TUAN setting up the suicide?????



PHILIP...

you can't call him shook, cause he risked EVERYTHING to run to that kids house.
 
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/star-wars-episode-ix-keri-russell-1202861343/

Star Wars: Episode IX’ Eyes Keri Russell (EXCLUSIVE)
By Justin Kroll
@krolljvar

Keri Russell is headed to a galaxy far, far away.

Sources tell Variety that the “Felicity” alum is in early talks to join J.J. Abrams’ “Star Wars: Episode IX,” which Abrams is writing and directing. Russell and Abrams last collaborated on 2006’s “Mission: Impossible III.”

The role calls for action-heavy fight scenes. Russell has shown her ability to perform tough stunts in projects like FX’s “The Americans,” “Mission: Impossible,” and “Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.”

Abrams and Lucasfilm execs met with several actresses for the role in the past two months and settled on Russell right before the Fourth of July holiday. Abrams will likely cast two more actors by the time the film begins production at the end of the month. Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, and Adam Driver are all expected to return.






Abrams helmed “Star Wars: The Force Awakens,” and was asked to come back to direct this latest installment after Colin Trevorrow exited following creative differences. Abrams filled the role last fall and has spent most of that time working on the script with Chris Terrio.

It’s unknown at this time whether Russell will be on the side of the rebels or the evil empire.

Russell recently wrapped the final season of “The Americans.” She is repped by WME and manager Joannie Burstein.
 
Can't believe we are reaching the end so far everything is connecting perfectly

Again Keri was giving a acting symposium...
Deserved a nomination

Little surprised the tuituon is so much and they can't find the money somewhere else.
 
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/star-wars-episode-ix-keri-russell-1202861343/

Star Wars: Episode IX’ Eyes Keri Russell (EXCLUSIVE)
By Justin Kroll
@krolljvar

Keri Russell is headed to a galaxy far, far away.

Sources tell Variety that the “Felicity” alum is in early talks to join J.J. Abrams’ “Star Wars: Episode IX,” which Abrams is writing and directing. Russell and Abrams last collaborated on 2006’s “Mission: Impossible III.”

The role calls for action-heavy fight scenes. Russell has shown her ability to perform tough stunts in projects like FX’s “The Americans,” “Mission: Impossible,” and “Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.”

Abrams and Lucasfilm execs met with several actresses for the role in the past two months and settled on Russell right before the Fourth of July holiday. Abrams will likely cast two more actors by the time the film begins production at the end of the month. Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, and Adam Driver are all expected to return.






Abrams helmed “Star Wars: The Force Awakens,” and was asked to come back to direct this latest installment after Colin Trevorrow exited following creative differences. Abrams filled the role last fall and has spent most of that time working on the script with Chris Terrio.

It’s unknown at this time whether Russell will be on the side of the rebels or the evil empire.

Russell recently wrapped the final season of “The Americans.” She is repped by WME and manager Joannie Burstein.

Hopefully,if she does get cast,her character wont get merked in the second half of the film..
 
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