The Americans: The 2nd best espionage/spy show on TV

I disagree we actually know a lot...

(when I got time I need to write a profile of that kid)

but its almost like WE have to spies to catch it

and I got a feeling it will be a BIG payoff.

I'm telling you... I'm binging the entire series before the next season. I need to make sure I'm not missing a single detail.
 
All we know is that henry fucking loves that damn Tandy 1000.

Right. you can try to pick up on things. He's smart. he's independent he's growing up etc etc etc but making leaps about everything else is just pure speculation because he hasn't had enough air time throughout.

Henry imo probably won't be their downfall. if he was going to be it, it would've been younger henry when he complained about them being gone all the time which put stan on them in the first place
this henry is used to the shit and is like whatever.
Stan is never around and won't be around long enough to really get info with these new developments.

The way Henry handles things I think if they told them he'd go "cool" and then ask can he have a new video game. he wouldn't have a crisis on his mind like Paige did. She was searching for something feeling empty.
Henry has always seemed comfortable in his own skin. Really face value type of kid.

Paige was the one curious about the calls. Thinking that Phil was cheating. Taking trips to try and see if there really was an aunt or not. Following her parents and all that shit
Henry was like girl you tripping mom and dad said it, so its so.
 
Right. you can try to pick up on things. He's smart. he's independent he's growing up etc etc etc but making leaps about everything else is just pure speculation because he hasn't had enough air time throughout.

Henry imo probably won't be their downfall. if he was going to be it, it would've been younger henry when he complained about them being gone all the time which put stan on them in the first place
this henry is used to the shit and is like whatever.
Stan is never around and won't be around long enough to really get info with these new developments.

The way Henry handles things I think if they told them he'd go "cool" and then ask can he have a new video game. he wouldn't have a crisis on his mind like Paige did. She was searching for something feeling empty.
Henry has always seemed comfortable in his own skin. Really face value type of kid.

Paige was the one curious about the calls. Thinking that Phil was cheating. Taking trips to try and see if there really was an aunt or not. Following her parents and all that shit
Henry was like girl you tripping mom and dad said it, so its so.

See this is the issue with Henry. At this point, we don't even know if he has a filter. Paige made the great point that they don't know what Henry tells Stan. When I mean downfall, I don't mean that he will be end game for Stan to catch on to them..... but I do think that inadvertently Henry is going to mention something around Stan that is going to lead Stan to start questioning shit about the Jennings. Probably the last season...


Side note.. I think we can all agree that the confrontation between Stan and Phillip is going to be heartbreaking and intense as shit.
 
Right. you can try to pick up on things. He's smart. he's independent he's growing up etc etc etc but making leaps about everything else is just pure speculation because he hasn't had enough air time throughout.

Henry imo probably won't be their downfall. if he was going to be it, it would've been younger henry when he complained about them being gone all the time which put stan on them in the first place
this henry is used to the shit and is like whatever.
Stan is never around and won't be around long enough to really get info with these new developments.

The way Henry handles things I think if they told them he'd go "cool" and then ask can he have a new video game. he wouldn't have a crisis on his mind like Paige did. She was searching for something feeling empty.
Henry has always seemed comfortable in his own skin. Really face value type of kid.

Paige was the one curious about the calls. Thinking that Phil was cheating. Taking trips to try and see if there really was an aunt or not. Following her parents and all that shit
Henry was like girl you tripping mom and dad said it, so its so.
damn right...

my kind of kid...

Cuz remember the spy series you were developing awhile back with the 2 young Black brothers?

Would the tone be similar to THIS or more like Agents of SHIELD or alias or Undercovers?
 
See this is the issue with Henry. At this point, we don't even know if he has a filter. Paige made the great point that they don't know what Henry tells Stan. When I mean downfall, I don't mean that he will be end game for Stan to catch on to them..... but I do think that inadvertently Henry is going to mention something around Stan that is going to lead Stan to start questioning shit about the Jennings. Probably the last season...


Side note.. I think we can all agree that the confrontation between Stan and Phillip is going to be heartbreaking and intense as shit.

a dropped a little clue when Henry told everyone at dinner that Stan was FBI.
 
See this is the issue with Henry. At this point, we don't even know if he has a filter. Paige made the great point that they don't know what Henry tells Stan. When I mean downfall, I don't mean that he will be end game for Stan to catch on to them..... but I do think that inadvertently Henry is going to mention something around Stan that is going to lead Stan to start questioning shit about the Jennings. Probably the last season...


Side note.. I think we can all agree that the confrontation between Stan and Phillip is going to be heartbreaking and intense as shit.

more than likely its going to be coded at dinner. where they figure out they both know the truth and they just talk around it and bring it up and they choose words carefully and all of that shit and there's nothing but tension as elizabeth and paige realize what's going on meanwhile henry and stan's kid are just eating heir meatloaf chilling
 
a dropped a little clue when Henry told everyone at dinner that Stan was FBI.

That just shows that Henry has no clue what is going on around him. I think even Pastor Tim picked that up. But I don't think this is Henry setting up to be an informant.

I would say one thing... I would be interested to see if The Americans will open up more on Henry next year. He is still the wildcard, because the show has intentionally left him as a vague character all season.. while at the same time showing the audience how close he is to Stan Beaman.
 
more than likely its going to be coded at dinner. where they figure out they both know the truth and they just talk around it and bring it up and they choose words carefully and all of that shit and there's nothing but tension as elizabeth and paige realize what's going on meanwhile henry and stan's kid are just eating heir meatloaf chilling

Dude.... ^^^^^^^
I can so see that happening and then Stan comes over after dinner and directly confronts Phillip.

That's the cool way that they set up Stan over the life of the show.... I'm not 100% certain that Stan would turn them in. In the end, I think he would but it wouldn't be immediately unless he was backed into a corner. If Stan was going to turn them in it would because he finds out that Philip was Clark and he blames Clark for what happened with Martha.
 
Phil did for Martha what Stan couldn't do for Nina

its a parallel game going on that Phil has demolished Stan in.
Home life
Kids
Wife
Work.
Phil has outclassed him in every facet.
At his core, Phil is more American than captain America. It's his wife that is the problem. People handle their upbringing differently.
 
DAMN RIGHT

and he COULD have f*cked Stan's ex too.

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was this from a outtake reel..?
 
FINALLY had a chance to see this episode on DVR. So much of this show is over my head...and I respect it for that. I'm going to binge watch the entire season over again. But mark this post...dude snitched on Philip and Elizabeth. Stan knows. He was acting way too weird when he got home and busted the kids making out. And he made a point to emphasize the possibility of marriage, Philip using his yard, and inviting him to some event happening next week. Fuck I'm pissed that I won't know how this show ends until 2018!!! :angry::angry::angry:
 
Dude.... ^^^^^^^
I can so see that happening and then Stan comes over after dinner and directly confronts Phillip.

That's the cool way that they set up Stan over the life of the show.... I'm not 100% certain that Stan would turn them in. In the end, I think he would but it wouldn't be immediately unless he was backed into a corner. If Stan was going to turn them in it would because he finds out that Philip was Clark and he blames Clark for what happened with Martha.

im 50/50 on whether he turns them in. he won't find out he's clark unless phil wants him to though.
 
FINALLY had a chance to see this episode on DVR. So much of this show is over my head...and I respect it for that. I'm going to binge watch the entire season over again. But mark this post...dude snitched on Philip and Elizabeth. Stan knows. He was acting way too weird when he got home and busted the kids making out. And he made a point to emphasize the possibility of marriage, Philip using his yard, and inviting him to some event happening next week. Fuck I'm pissed that I won't know how this show ends until 2018!!! :angry::angry::angry:

stan dosn't know. he's not that good at pretending to not know shit. he would've been acted weird like philip. he was genuinely excited they were making out as a father and as it being his friends...only friends daughter.
he just got through listening to a dude die talk about never having any connections and no family. if you don't think that resonated with him to the tune of actually going home and putting on a cosby sweater in order to try and reconnect with his son you bugging
 
At his core, Phil is more American than captain America. It's his wife that is the problem. People handle their upbringing differently.

I don't think he's American. I think he cares about people more than Elizabeth does. She's the cutthroat one. She would never try to get a martha counterpart out of the country. she's very much the drago of this relationship dynamic "if he dies he dies"
 
I don't think he's American. I think he cares about people more than Elizabeth does. She's the cutthroat one. She would never try to get a martha counterpart out of the country. she's very much the drago of this relationship dynamic "if he dies he dies"
Liz let that black guy she claims she love die. The scientist guy couldn't get his loved one out. When faced with lying to Martha about seeing her again, he choose the truth. Phil is a lantern in a world full of darkness. And Paige hates the light.
 
We didn't even hit on the residency. That shit was the saddest of it all imo. We focused on the main rightfully so but that group was something special. I enjoyed every scene they were in it was never filler.
Now the band is breaking up. You can say what you want but old boy was actually a really good leader for that center in d.c. really good honest upstanding dude.
 
We didn't even hit on the residency. That shit was the saddest of it all imo. We focused on the main rightfully so but that group was something special. I enjoyed every scene they were in it was never filler.
Now the band is breaking up. You can say what you want but old boy was actually a really good leader for that center in d.c. really good honest upstanding dude.

I was JUST gonna post this...

I remember when he found Nina was sending stuff back to her family and he made her go down on him...

hated him forever off that but now...

it wasn't even about sex

it was like he was breaking her down much like they did to Philip and Elizabeth when they were in training.

Some of the BEST moments happened in there...I hope this aint over.
 
all this. no super hero stuff. intense drama with a purpose. working towards real actions. nobody has powers. their will is their power.

would it be MODERN with flashbacks?

Or a period peace with small flashbacks...

or like 24 or Jason Bourne

or homeland?

I'm trying to get the tone right.
 
Interesting thoughts Fonz
Imo i think Paige's feelings are more on the genuine side and dont think Phil was upset cause she is like her mom.

I think this is the worst possible time for Paige to get even more involved in their life. They getting squeezed from all directions and their daughter is metaphorically sleeping with the enemy.

With that said Paige does see the value of a relationship with Matt. It helps her keep tabs on Stan. But she was feeling Matt from the series premiere as the new boy across the street and they have alot in common as kids of spies (although Matt doesnt know that).

If i had to put a percentage on it i would say 75% are legit feelings (she is a teenager) and 25% taking one for the team.

And yeah Matthew fucking kills it in the acting departure . Loved all the emotion he had to demonstrate in the scenes with stan and pure rage with paige although she did nothing wrong (he said himself he was ok with them being friends if it were for the right reasons in the previous episode only to pull a 180)

The Americans: Did Philip and Elizabeth Do TOO Good of a Job With Paige?

http://www.tvguide.com/news/the-americans-did-philip-and-elizabeth-do-too-good-of-a-job-with-paige/
 
I was JUST gonna post this...

I remember when he found Nina was sending stuff back to her family and he made her go down on him...

hated him forever off that but now...

it wasn't even about sex

it was like he was breaking her down much like they did to Philip and Elizabeth when they were in training.

Some of the BEST moments happened in there...I hope this aint over.

yea it wasn't about sex it was about servitude. which we see now.
 
would it be MODERN with flashbacks?

Or a period peace with small flashbacks...

or like 24 or Jason Bourne

or homeland?

I'm trying to get the tone right.

The only flash backs would be had when solve another piece of the puzzle. honestly there isn't a show to compare it to. its something new and different. the fighting of bourne. the intensity of americans/homeland.
the test of human spirit for a just cause.
the twist is that they are doing it for the reasons you remember but to everyone else they're just terrorists.

there will be no side characters as far as on their end. they only trust each other and contacts of people who worked with their parents that's it.
but on the outside they're the brother's next door that are doing good. go to the gym. go grocery shopping. all that. but nobody really knows them
think when a serial killer has 1000 people in the basement and the neighbors go "he was always quiet never made a noise never had any trouble"
 
FINALLY had a chance to see this episode on DVR. So much of this show is over my head...and I respect it for that. I'm going to binge watch the entire season over again. But mark this post...dude snitched on Philip and Elizabeth. Stan knows. He was acting way too weird when he got home and busted the kids making out. And he made a point to emphasize the possibility of marriage, Philip using his yard, and inviting him to some event happening next week. Fuck I'm pissed that I won't know how this show ends until 2018!!! :angry::angry::angry:

Naw I don't think William snitched. He was way more loyal to the cause then he let on.
 
We didn't even hit on the residency. That shit was the saddest of it all imo. We focused on the main rightfully so but that group was something special. I enjoyed every scene they were in it was never filler.
Now the band is breaking up. You can say what you want but old boy was actually a really good leader for that center in d.c. really good honest upstanding dude.

Man I was just to talk about Arkady. All of the old heads from the Residency are leaving... but I don't see Olg being gone for long.
 
Dylan Baker on His Americans Character’s Tragic Backstory

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Most of the characters on The Americans have to bury nearly all their emotions to get the job done. That is, until the arrival of Dylan Baker’s William Crandall this season, a sardonic undercover Russian agent who had spent 25 years in America and accomplished, in the words of his supervisor, “literally nothing.” But in Wednesday night’s finale, William did accomplish something, even if it wasn’t all that heroic. Instead of surrendering to Noah Emmerich’s Stan Beeman, he infected himself with a deadly virus and died in the hands of his American captors. Vulture caught up with Baker to talk about his character’s increasingly tragic backstory, what might have been waiting for William back home in Russia, and what it’s like for him and his wife, Becky Ann Baker (who stars on Girls as Hannah's mom), to shoot in the same New York neighborhood.

Let's start at the beginning. How did you first get involved with The Americans? Had you watched it beforehand?
The two producers [creators Joe Weisberg and Joel Fields] came to my agent and said, "We're possibly interested in working with Dylan for this character we're developing." I didn't know the show at all, so my wife and I started binge-watching the first season, which, as you know, was really easy to do. We just got totally wrapped up with it in no time, and by the end of the day I think we'd watched half of the season and the next day we watched the other half. Once I started talking to Joe and Joel, I was devastated — well, devastated isn't the right word — I was really excited, and so I thought, "Okay, this is fantastic." After I agreed to it, I watched season two, and then season three wasn't available yet so they got me some DVDs, and I was watching it like crazy. I was floored, I just thought it was an excellent program.

Your character has a specific tone that you don't see a lot in the series — he's a little more aware. Did they talk to you about what they were looking for in the character?
It was interesting, they talked about a guy who had been here for quite a while — and, you know, it's so hard to think of 1982, 1972, ’62, ’52 — of getting, at that time, a person who would go and set up their life, and have to find a job, get training. To report back or get any kind of information could take weeks and weeks, and would just be perhaps a message or a quick meeting between someone, and you're not even sure who they are. What they felt was that William was a guy who had been there for over 20 years just setting himself up to be in a position to work in this facility, that perhaps the Department of Defense would turn to them and outsource some work. Indeed, they did, so all of the sudden he was in a position where he could get his hands on some of these deadly viruses. The thought of the commitment to that, and the total frustration of being someone that really has succeeded not at all up to this point.

There was something wonderfully sardonic about the Russian character of a person who just kept beating their head against a wall. By now, he's seen it all, and done it all, and nothing's worked. So meeting Philip and Elizabeth one night, it all just comes spilling out, like, "I don't trust you, you don't trust me. We're not going to help each other. This is not really going to accomplish anything."

Then there's the fact that William is alone, while Elizabeth and Philip are at least in their mission together.
He clocks into a certain feeling that he had at one point with his wife [in "The Rat," William mentions his wife was sent back to Russia], which was that there was a certain inability to have a real relationship because you're both continually working for the Centre, and you're both competing with each other to work for the Centre. Finally, it came to a head in some way or another, we decided, and the wife was sent back to Russia. Very soon, William realized that meant he had no one, and no ability to have anyone. There's no way he could reach out to anyone. There is a jealousy there [in meeting Philip and Elizabeth], but there's also just a delight that somebody could be in this profession and have someone to talk to.

There's the scene in the second-to-last episode where Frank Langella's character says that if you do this one last job, you'll get to go back to Russia. Who would he see? Who would he come back to?
It's fascinating, isn't it? To think that after 25 to 30 years, he must still have family who have no idea what's happened to him. His wife is back there, has she got a whole new life? Or is it just that you'll come back and be able to talk to people? The thing that stuck out to me was hearing them say, "You'll be a hero. If you get this, if you accomplish this, you'll be lauded as a hero." I asked Joe and Joel, and they said there's real truth to that. When someone came back and had worked that hard, the Soviet state did laud them, they really gave them hero status, because you have done this for the state. There's a modicum of possibility that this could happen, and William is loath to believe it, but he also is this far in, and so maybe it would happen. [Laughs.]

In the finale, as he's captured, William decides to infect himself with the Lassa virus. Did you know that that was going to be the fate of William's character going in, that he would essentially commit suicide?
No, I didn't know that. I did know that I was going to be finished off in the last episode, but I had no idea how. I have to say, I was just flipping pages going forward thinking, "What in the world is going to happen now?" When all of the sudden I took the stuff and injected it, I was as blown away, as hopefully the viewers are. It was such an amazing arc they wrote for the character, and I have been blessed to be able to play it.

The threat of these weapons coming out was very real. Did you talk about the biology of the virus?
We did. None of us quite understand it. We all have the same grasp on it that Noah Emmerich's character has, which is "stay the hell away from him, I know that there's something really bad going on here and we don't want to spread this around." All of us have a rudimentary knowledge of what something like that would be like, but it's really into the land of what-if, and what would it be if your internal organs started boiling and then found a place to secrete through your legs? You have to get to the magic land of "if" and go with it.

I remember reading interviews when Nina died on the show and the showrunners knew all the details of the execution, that it had to be a burlap sack for instance. In the scene where they're all in the contamination chamber, how specific was that setup, and how much of it was speculation?
With the props, they had to be right. We would start a scene and then we would say, "No, no, it's got to be right with this..." Early on in the season, we had that whole thing where we got infected, and I had to do a lot of injections [with] rubber gloves. All of that had to be approved and proper to the time period and whatnot. It's a fascinating show that way.

Initially, it seems like William would be the kind of character who would get back at people and be snarky, but then there's this whole sad backstory and his sympathy with Philip. How much of that did you discuss with the creators as you went along?
He never could have had that relationship with Keri's character. I still am glowing over that episode where she turned on her daughter and said, "This is your fault and you are going to go to those church meetings." It was the scariest thing I've ever seen, and in that moment you say "no American mom would ever do that, ever." It was a Russian sensibility. This is the hand you've been dealt, and you're going to play it out. You see her daughter get that.

In order to commit to this life of desperation for 25 years, would Will have to have that very Russian upbringing?
Yeah, very strong sense of duty, and of staying the course. But he sees in Philip somebody who is also chafing at the bit, and therefore they can connect.

Then, in that final scene, William reveals a lot about Philip and Elizabeth to Stan. Do you think he's closer to piecing everything together?
Stan got some crucial evidence there. Can he put that together, or is that just something that does not compute in his head? It's not possible that all these years the spies he's been looking for live right next to him and is his best friend. [Laughs.] It's just too crazy. I also loved when Pastor Tim all of a sudden says, "What do you do? ... You're an FBI agent?" [Laughs.] It's just amazing.

With the finale of The Good Wife, do you imagine any future for your character, Colin Sweeney? They're talking about a spinoff.
Whoever does the spinoff, they certainly need Colin as a client. You never know. He's out there watching his wife perform She Loves Me eight shows a week. Currently, I think Laura Benanti's character is still alive. It could happen.

Living in New York, you get the chance to move between doing stage performances and these guest stints on TV shows. Did you make the choice to say in the city?
I had a job that was in Los Angeles about ten years ago. It was a TV show, Drive, that was very short-lived, on Fox. When that ended, I said to my agents that I really wanted to pursue work in New York because I wanted to be in New York for my daughter's high-school years. And in those ten years, there has been a huge upswing of work in New York in television and film. That, I think, went along with a tax incentive and really smart economic management of the city and of the state in terms of TV and film. Because of that, Becky, my wife, and I have been able to pursue things here. She of course has been doing Girls all these years.

Girls, which also shoots in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, like The Americans sometimes does, and The Good Wife.
We keep bumping into each other. Well, Greenpoint's big enough that you don't actually bump into each other, but you never know.

It would be a strange crossover episode.
William on the set of Girls, that would be strange. I think he and Adam Driver's character would get along well.
 
FINALLY had a chance to see this episode on DVR. So much of this show is over my head...and I respect it for that. I'm going to binge watch the entire season over again. But mark this post...dude snitched on Philip and Elizabeth. Stan knows. He was acting way too weird when he got home and busted the kids making out. And he made a point to emphasize the possibility of marriage, Philip using his yard, and inviting him to some event happening next week. Fuck I'm pissed that I won't know how this show ends until 2018!!! :angry::angry::angry:

im still wondering if they going to save Phillp's Russian son meeting his dad for next season's finale..
 
damn...guess I am in the minority.
I cant get behind Paige being that down for the cause.

rember this was the same chick that snitched on her own parents and herself not too long ago to pastor tim. I think whatever she does at this point is fueled by self preservation (for herself and her family) and normal teenager shit.

alot of ppl comparing to Elizabeth but she is a mix of both Phil & Elizabeth. She is all about fighting the man( thats why she joined the church and got behind their agenda) but she is all feelings and doing whats right like Phil


Elizabeth is the HARDEST BITCH we have ever seen on TV (i mean that as complete and utter compliment). Her dad died for the cause, her mom was bout it and she got RAPED only to keep it moving. I dont see all that in Paige. Paige just trying her best to keep the fam head above water.


on a sidenote I watch alot of tv there is the trope about the annoying tv kid. Paige breaks that convention. She does shit to get in the way but the actress portraying her is a hell of an actress and all her actions make sense.

i just realized the Americans is on the short-list of my favorite Dramas of all time

in no order

the Americans
the Wire
the Sopranos
breaking bad
& Game of Thrones


Props to FX for letting this show breathe. The only mistake they made was liscening it Amazon instead of Netflix cause I see alot flixster Binge watching this and catching that Red Fever

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GOD BLESS AMERICA​
 
damn...guess I am in the minority.
I cant get behind Paige being that down for the cause.

rember this was the same chick that snitched on her own parents and herself not too long ago to pastor tim. I think whatever she does at this point is fueled by self preservation (for herself and her family) and normal teenager shit.

but that's the thing. she is a teenager. she ain't 1 way. so she lashed out reacted and did something bad. now she's had time to cool off and think about it and she's decided on being a spy
 
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