The Adversity Black Women Face

Awwww LD. :( I expected more from you. Something like "internet personalities are not real life". Don't you find it odd that someone I have never even exchanged a comment with here on BGOL, talk less of in person, is so accurately able to judge my personality?

Oh yeah. Thread title "The Adversity Black Women Face". Not "Who do black women blame their problems on"

;) You know you gotta lil' smart mouth on you followup. Admit it. I think your bantu knots are a little tight. Might wanna go with the comb twists next time. :)
 
;) You know you gotta lil' smart mouth on you followup. Admit it. I think your bantu knots are a little tight. Might wanna go with the comb twists next time. :)

I don't call it a smart mouth. But if people come at me with "prove you're a woman with a pic" or use the words bitch & woman interchangeably or say anything else I find offensive, I gotta speak on it in the best way I know how. Otherwise, if I disagree I state my piece and keep it moving.
 
I don't call it a smart mouth. But if people come at me with "prove you're a woman with a pic" or use the words bitch & woman interchangeably or say anything else I find offensive, I gotta speak on it in the best way I know how. Otherwise, if I disagree I state my piece and keep it moving.

You know you got a mouth on you, why you trying to deny it. And prove you're a woman with a pic while you're at it. And White people are superior to Blacks. Especially the women.
 
;) You know you gotta lil' smart mouth on you followup. Admit it. I think your bantu knots are a little tight. Might wanna go with the comb twists next time. :)

for those who know me i got a hell of a smart mouth...i mean smart ass sarcastic ALL THAT! but...there is a time and place for everything....i read ppl, read the situation and i'm able to say what i have to say in a way the ppl i'm dealing with will hear it. i meet ppl where thier at.

with that being said... her mouth on her is prolly very different than in the corporate world.
 
You know you got a mouth on you, why you trying to deny it. And prove you're a woman with a pic while you're at it. And White people are superior to Blacks. Especially the women.
You stoopid

for those who know me i got a hell of a smart mouth...i mean smart ass sarcastic ALL THAT! but...there is a time and place for everything....i read ppl, read the situation and i'm able to say what i have to say in a way the ppl i'm dealing with will hear it. i meet ppl where thier at.

with that being said... her mouth on her is prolly very different than in the corporate world.
Thanks girl ;)
 
Don't even bother addressing this one followup:smh:it's not worth your time

Of course not. Why bother with combating the truth? It's no use.

I found it funny that she said all that about "how hard" it is for her being a professional black woman when today's black women are afforded more education and career opportunities than ever before. Especially in most corporate sectors - finance, accounting, marketing, etc. Even to the point of advancing farther up the org chart as compared to some of their male counterparts because of the "double quota" they fill in these EEO companies.

If she feels like she's being "stereotyped" and looked at sideways by her peers, then maybe it's a personal issue she needs to address. Is she giving them any reason to look down on her or stereotype her from the jump? Some people need to hold up the mirror sometimes instead of making it a problem of everyone else.

Then she goes on to talk about -

A white woman could walk in and it's automatic respect, and oh she must be so brilliant. But with me I always have to prove myself. I also have a problem with social situations where I'm the only black woman. People ask me dumb stuff, or if I say something that is normal to me but different to them they will laugh at me.

That's not true. White males automatically respecting white women :lol: In general, white males are the most misogynistic men on the planet and she is saying that they will look down on her because she's black but give automatic respect to the white woman in a corporate setting? In a lot of cases, the white male is looking down on everyone.

I guess white women were getting so much automatic respect in the work place that they started a big feminist movement back in the 1960's just for the hell of it :rolleyes:

That's why I said that even though their pre-judged assessment of her may not be moral, it certainly wouldn't be in-accurate.

statistically, black women hold more jobs in the business sector. so if there are black men "subjugating" black women, there aren't many.

At least BS knows that black women are getting more jobs, high responsibility jobs in the corporate sectors these days.

[Kayslay]DAMN-MN-MN[/Kayslay]

:lol::lol::lol:

You gotta admit, sometimes there is a bigger pity party going on around here more than Nancy Kerrigan had when she got her knee blown out before the Olympics. I wish people would start holding themselves more accountable than always making it a problem about others all the time.
 
Of course not. Why bother with combating the truth? It's no use.

I found it funny that she said all that about "how hard" it is for her being a professional black woman when today's black women are afforded more education and career opportunities than ever before. Especially in most corporate sectors - finance, accounting, marketing, etc. Even to the point of advancing farther up the org chart as compared to some of their male counterparts because of the "double quota" they fill in these EEO companies.

If she feels like she's being "stereotyped" and looked at sideways by her peers, then maybe it's a personal issue she needs to address. Is she giving them any reason to look down on her or stereotype her from the jump? Some people need to hold up the mirror sometimes instead of making it a problem of everyone else.

Then she goes on to talk about -



That's not true. White males automatically respecting white women :lol: In general, white males are the most misogynistic men on the planet and she is saying that they will look down on her because she's black but give automatic respect to the white woman in a corporate setting? In a lot of cases, the white male is looking down on everyone.

I guess white women were getting so much automatic respect in the work place that they started a big feminist movement back in the 1960's just for the hell of it :rolleyes:

That's why I said that even though their pre-judged assessment of her may not be moral, it certainly wouldn't be in-accurate.



At least BS knows that black women are getting more jobs, high responsibility jobs in the corporate sectors these days.



:lol::lol::lol:

You gotta admit, sometimes there is a bigger pity party going on around here more than Nancy Kerrigan had when she got her knee blown out before the Olympics. I wish people would start holding themselves more accountable than always making it a problem about others all the time.


so you equate black women getting more jobs with them not facing adversities?

could the fact that more black women are graduating with degrees have anything to do with them having more jobs? Also, during the course of being in school most will do internships and a good portion of internships hire you when you graduate.

just because you have a "high" position job doesn't mean that you wont face some crap.

and if you feel that some white men are the most "cavemen" towards white women what do u think those men's attitudes are towards black women?

and towards your pity party comment....read my comment in the intro of this thread.
 
Most people make their own disasters (intentional or not), but you absolutely can not deny that there is a glass ceiling for gender and for race in most fields.

Not to the extent that many of us would like to believe. Please provide proof of you assertion.
 
LOL! I was hoping you would have found your answers by now..... Let's keep it simple. Are there more CEOs/business owners who are white or black? Male or female? Who makes more in a given job when a man and a woman have the exact same qualifications and the exact same experience? How much do women earn for every dollar a man earns? That's your answer
 
LOL! I was hoping you would have found your answers by now..... Let's keep it simple. Are there more CEOs/business owners who are white or black? Male or female? Who makes more in a given job when a man and a woman have the exact same qualifications and the exact same experience? How much do women earn for every dollar a man earns? That's your answer

Those are questions, not answers. Post your stats/data. Can you ?
 
There is historical explanation for much of this. The media is still attempting to emasculate and dehumanize the black male. The black woman has always been the "prize" for the white male rulership, and all women in any culture are deemed prizes for conquering nations. There is a reason the word booty is called "booty".

Black males are not blinded by this effort. The intense struggle that we endure pits us against the dominating body of whites as well as ourselves. We really are having a difficult time expressing our manhood. We study the other cultures of men on our planet and are confused as to how to get the same respect and treatment that other males get from their female counterparts. We are a landless group of men who are still playing all angles, so when the topic of "women's issues" comes up, we are stressed. We don't see the issues because we are beset by avoiding labels(i'e' thug, or even gay), by avoiding prisons, poverty, while all along trying our best to make a way in a country that has always negated our masculinity.

We bond through a musical force that teaches us to belittle our women. It would seem that since we can't conquer anything else on a global or even national scale outside of entertainment and sports, why not our women? We rile those who attempt to help women, by calling them "simps" and "captain save a hoes". For no other reason other than our blind pride and fear of not being more than servants of an oppressive system that teaches us to place money before human life.

If Isis is even still able to place the golden phallus on top of this fallen black hero, I would beg that she would...

The children miss us, and I know that black women could do for a strong leadership that stands up for them, no matter the cost....
 
I work in finance for a major corporation. My name is very generic, and I will never forget the look on the interviewer's face when I walked in. He had to be shocked that I was a black girl. When I was hired and I met the rest of the group (I am the only woman), the old white men were very surprised but "pleased" with how well spoken and articulate I was, how quickly I learned, and how hard of a worker I am, even though my qualifications, internships, and educational background on my resume should have been their first clue that I would be all of the above. I know they expected something else. :rolleyes:

It's already hard to be a woman working in finance. It's a field dominated by men; old white men at that (at least in my company). I have to fight two different stereotypes. It's a battle every day.

Only female and black?

You're in prime position to "succeed". Hope you take advantage.
 
so you equate black women getting more jobs with them not facing adversities?

No but most of the adversity faced was in the generations BEFORE. I said that these days black women have more opportunities in education and the corporate sectors than ever before.

could the fact that more black women are graduating with degrees have anything to do with them having more jobs? Also, during the course of being in school most will do internships and a good portion of internships hire you when you graduate.

Yes that is true. And a lot are getting those jobs and promotions because of the DQ they fill.

just because you have a "high" position job doesn't mean that you wont face some crap.

No shit :rolleyes: That applies to white, black, or anyone in a leadership position.

and if you feel that some white men are the most "cavemen" towards white women what do u think those men's attitudes are towards black women?

Probably the same? (contrary to the believe that it is worse - as stated by certain angry black female posters)

and towards your pity party comment....read my comment in the intro of this thread.

Yeah... But you knew it was going to happened didn't you? How many women are going to admit that most of what they "worked" for was handed to them?
 
black women ain't got no fucking adversity.....all they gotta do is get a degree and walk they thick ass in the room and the job is theirs.
 
As much as many of ya'll going to hate me saying this, but majority of complaints I hear *outside of the internet* tend to be overexaggerated. There are women, that are in good situations, still complaining about random shit. So my question is this, to the women of this board, are you sure that you are truly dealing with adversity thats worth complaining?
 
The Loud Silence of Feminists: Why aren't more feminists defending Michelle Obama?

The Washington Post

Michelle Obama has become an issue in the presidential campaign even though she isn't running for anything. An educated, successful lawyer, devoted wife and caring mother has been labeled "angry" and unpatriotic and snidely referred to as Barack Obama's "baby mama."

Democrats, Republicans, independents, everyone should be offended.

And this black woman is wondering: Where are Obama's feminist defenders?

It's not as though they're out of practice. In 1992, Hillary Clinton was deemed too assertive and not first lady material. Similar, and worse, claims were made this year. But just as you didn't have to be for Clinton to decry the sexism in the coverage of her campaign, you don't have to be an Obama supporter to defend Michelle Obama against similar treatment.

So I want to know: What does Gloria Steinem think? She was out front with her support of Clinton, promoting the importance of a female president. She has even endorsed Barack Obama. What's her reaction now that the knives are out for another strong woman?

How about Geraldine Ferraro, the former vice presidential nominee whose racially tinged denunciations of Barack Obama sparked a media firestorm?

Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women, has said: "We're going to keep watching because we think Michelle Obama will be the recipient of the same kind of attacks that Hillary was."

A feminist ray of hope.

The campaign against Michelle Obama -- who went on "The View" this week to prove her everywoman bona fides -- has not caused a rift between black and white women so much as it has exposed it.

I've long been frustrated, as a black woman and a feminist, with our national conversation. I didn't hear the cause speaking up for women of color or for women who have always worked in blue-collar or service jobs. Choice was not their issue.

The woman who employed my educated mother to clean her house never quite saw her as a sister in the struggle for equality.

Still, I cheered Steinem when she spoke at my college. Her message could have been more inclusive, but it was a start.

I'd like a little of that solidarity back now, not suspicion because someone of my race defeated someone of our sex.

Michelle Obama is being demonized for things she allegedly said on tapes that are rumored to exist. She is a victim of sexism and racial stereotypes.

Just as the Rutgers women's basketball team was miscast by Don Imus, Obama is being labeled something she clearly is not. Her achievements are being dismissed.

But in America, there's seldom a cost for disrespecting black women.

I'm waiting for feminists who speak of second-class citizenship and being pushed to the back of the bus to remember the civil rights movement that gave birth to those words. After all, it was a black woman, Rosa Parks, who took her seat up front and pulled others there, too.

I'm not holding my breath, though.

As a journalist, I have stayed neutral about political candidates. But as an American, I would have been excited about the historic first had Hillary Clinton emerged victorious from the Democratic primary battle. Yet when an African American made a different kind of history, it seems that feminists can't share in the triumph.

They don't have to vote for the husband to defend the wife.

Okay, I get it: Your candidate lost. You're angry.

But frankly, I'm getting a little peeved myself.
 
If ya'll think you are facing adversity you should try talking to some of the sisetrs in the caribbean or latin american countries. The next time you take a trip to Jamaica stop looking down your noses at those sisters and have a conversation with those sisters and see what real adversity is.
 
If ya'll think you are facing adversity you should try talking to some of the sisetrs in the caribbean or latin american countries. The next time you take a trip to Jamaica stop looking down your noses at those sisters and have a conversation with those sisters and see what real adversity is.

Co-sign.
 
If ya'll think you are facing adversity you should try talking to some of the sisetrs in the caribbean or latin american countries. The next time you take a trip to Jamaica stop looking down your noses at those sisters and have a conversation with those sisters and see what real adversity is.



Wow, someone dug this thread up hahaha.

Hmmm interesting comment.

What makes you think that people look down on the women of Jamaica?

Also, sistas ALL around the the world face adversity. Is there a adversity competition and/or scale that invalidates others adversities based on people's ideas of whose facing worse?

With that being said, can you elaborate on the bold please?
 
Wow, someone dug this thread up hahaha.

Hmmm interesting comment.

What makes you think that people look down on the women of Jamaica?

Also, sistas ALL around the the world face adversity. Is there a adversity competition and/or scale that invalidates others adversities based on people's ideas of whose facing worse?

With that being said, can you elaborate on the bold please?

Well I'm not going to elaborate this dudes comment, however, I would say that the same women who are complaining about adversity is the same women who do not count their blessings. MEANING, sometimes just look at your "so-called" adversity, and see if you truly have a real problem. *funny that i feel like im repeating myself...since noone answered my original post*
 
Wow, someone dug this thread up hahaha.

Hmmm interesting comment.

What makes you think that people look down on the women of Jamaica?

Also, sistas ALL around the the world face adversity. Is there a adversity competition and/or scale that invalidates others adversities based on people's ideas of whose facing worse?

With that being said, can you elaborate on the bold please?


Simple... I spent a lot of time in Jamaica. I was engaged to a woman who lives in Hopewell and I have seen first hand the things these woman are subjected to... and I am in no way just singling out Jamaican woman but latin woman as well are treated very badly. I can't count the number of Jamaican woman who have been abused by men and when I say abuse I mean cut by a machete... my ex's son's father hit her with one and thankfully turned his wrist and hit her with the flat part and bruised her thigh bone! I've seen men with them chasing woman around the street hell it got to the point if a chick just got smacked by her man she was lucky. Jamaican men treat american woman bad here in this country so just imagine what they do in their country. I've seen woman getting beat in front of cops who do nothing but look the other way. Face just about everywhere in the Caribbean and latin america woman are treated like 2nd class citizens and when american woman take their trips they definitely look down their noses at these woman!
 
Well I'm not going to elaborate this dudes comment, however, I would say that the same women who are complaining about adversity is the same women who do not count their blessings. MEANING, sometimes just look at your "so-called" adversity, and see if you truly have a real problem. *funny that i feel like im repeating myself...since noone answered my original post*

I agree, some women do need to count there blessings about what they have, what they avoided and WHAT THEY HAVE OVERCOME. What you may consider adversity I may not and vice versa but that doesn't invalidate your experience and perception.

When it comes to issues like that...to each is own.

Simple... I spent a lot of time in Jamaica. I was engaged to a woman who lives in Hopewell and I have seen first hand the things these woman are subjected to... and I am in no way just singling out Jamaican woman but latin woman as well are treated very badly. I can't count the number of Jamaican woman who have been abused by men and when I say abuse I mean cut by a machete... my ex's son's father hit her with one and thankfully turned his wrist and hit her with the flat part and bruised her thigh bone! I've seen men with them chasing woman around the street hell it got to the point if a chick just got smacked by her man she was lucky. Jamaican men treat american woman bad here in this country so just imagine what they do in their country. I've seen woman getting beat in front of cops who do nothing but look the other way. Face just about everywhere in the Caribbean and latin america woman are treated like 2nd class citizens and when american woman take their trips they definitely look down their noses at these woman!

Wow...1st let me say I'm glad ur ex survived that ordeal...and for those women who look down on other woman...fuck em....they suck. As I said, sistas n cousins from all around the globe face adversities and I do agree the CULTURES in some place are way more allowing of women being treated as 2nd class citizens....BUT that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen in the US.

1) The US is a melting pot..so some of that culture is brought here by both the men and the woman...one of my aunt's from Jamaica told my cuzzin once to smack his girl if she acted up :smh:

2)Also, just b/c the 2nd class citizenship and bad treatment aren't as overt doesn't mean they don't exist

3) like i said b4....this thread is NOT about an adversity competition, or scale...one person's adversities don't invalidate another

the purpose of the this thread was to share, praise/give advice, connect and grow

that is all
 
Look, I'm just trying to let you know that the adversity that sistas THINK they face is not much! Your sistas in other countries have it a lot worse. Yes woman here get treated badly but there is help for them if they want it not so in other countries. Hell the problems you face at work don't compare to noto being able to get the job you want because you are a woman and having a degree but having to work as a secretary because that is considered "womans" work.
 
Look, I'm just trying to let you know that the adversity that sistas THINK they face is not much! Your sistas in other countries have it a lot worse. Yes woman here get treated badly but there is help for them if they want it not so in other countries. Hell the problems you face at work don't compare to noto being able to get the job you want because you are a woman and having a degree but having to work as a secretary because that is considered "womans" work.

hmmmm so ur trying to discredit someone's experience? which is the antithesis of this thread?

NO ONE IN HERE said woman in other places didn't have it hard so y the need to state that? i'm just curious. cuz IMO it seems like ur saying..American women hush ur good cuz women other places have it worse....that is what it seems like ur saying.

so what about the women in which jobs are stacked against b/c its seem man's work is that not an issue..actually imma back it up.

im not going to go tit for tat w/ u over what is worse and what not

all im going to say for what feels like the 9 millionth time

sistas n cousins all over have it hard on VARYING levels and one doesn't invalidate/compete w/ the other.


now if u want to make a comparison thread about adversity between American and Carribean/ Latin American woman...please feel free

BUT

this thread is NOT about that
 
Not discredit, everybody faces adversity but what makes you think that the adversity that black woman face is more important/ worse that what other people have to face?
 
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