Oh I know. I'm in no rush, as I have 4 vehicles already. Our family luxury car we'll probably sell if one a spot opens for it next year
Tesla Owners , Do you regret buying because of?
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Oh I know. I'm in no rush, as I have 4 vehicles already. Our family luxury car we'll probably sell if one a spot opens for it next year
Imagine if you had bought that Tesla and were stuck with it...good thing you rented it first and the "shit box" only cost you Turo money
You ain't lied.
But it could have been much worse and it really fucked up my day.
At least I've learned that if I'm going to rent an EV in the future there has to be a charging station on site.
If I could have charged the car for the 10 hours I was there this would have been a very different post. Even the missing mileage would have been a minor inconvenience.
I look at cars as work tools. Uber for the clubs. SUVs and minivans for high school dances. Prius for long distance weddings, etc.
This was just the wrong tool for the job.
So I'm open to renting an EV again, but it won't be a Tesla and it certainly won't be from that host.
Rent from Hertz, not some private owner. You have to go by the battery percentage, not the mileage. I drove the model Y performance to Monterey. I had to charge it three times, so it's definitely not a road trip vehicle.
I've also noticed that it's built for luxury not cargo. Packing speakers in a hatchback is like piling lumber in the trunk of a Benz.
I would have been better to rent a hybrid SUV instead. Probably would have cost the same too.
Hertz, avis, dollar, Enterprise were my go-to's before covid. Since then they slashed their inventory and jacked up the price, especially on insurance. The ones near my house are closed Saturday and Sunday which means you have to keep it for the whole weekend even if you only need it for one night.
Only time I use them now is if I want to cash in some credit card points.
I mainly go through Zipcar now. I'll get to the club on public transit Friday night and pick up the Zipcar from the lot across the street after my set. Use that to play The wedding then drop it off once I get back to the city. It's about $150 including gas and collision.
Yes, poor research.
You would be looking into what happens if you're at a none Tesla charging station, how you charge at home etc...You should be thinking about if the car is a solution for your needs. You would be asking why does Tesla sell adapters? At 70,000 you should be thinking about as much as possible. You know the first question I get asked? How do you charge it and where. Followed by have you driven out of town. You know what normally gets said? I see the stations at malls and my response is there are different stations other than Tesla. Guess what i mention potentially happening. When my girl took my car, i made sure to let her know about the adapters in the event she ran into a none Tesla charging station and really needed to charge.
Would you buy a house without doing research on the house? When you buy a computer, do you not do research and compare it to other brands while considering your needs. People do research on phones before buying them. When you buy a gas car, do you not research common issues with the brand or model? This thread literally has a video with things he didn't like about the car. Does doing research mean you'll find every answer. No, but that is why I recommended renting an EV. Learning in general requires hands on experience. Reading from a text book or watching a video will only take you so far and that's assuming the source can be trusted. My goal was not to get you to buy or not buy an EV. I also don't care about your preference between gas and EVs. I gave my experience as a actual EV driver instead of having people take advice from someone who likely never drove an EV and seemed to be anti-EV. My advice was to formulate your own opinion which you've done based on your experience. Weather I agree without your opinion or not, I can respect someone who is speaking from their own experience vs someone who is just talking.
Instead taking responsibility for your lack of knowledge, you are mad at a car that from what we are being told is working as intended. You also got the car off a peer to peer site, so honestly you get what you pay for in terms of service. We don't even know if the issue is the car or you've literally had the bad luck of pulling into station and every single charger isn't working. Im not even sure that you even tried a Tesla charging station. You have no way of knowing how that person takes care of a car he rents out gas or ev. When you took the car, did the owner ask if you've ever driven an ev before? I'm not going to say renting the car from a respected rental service would have made a difference, but im not renting a car from some random person either.
No, I don't think it's weird to drive to remote locations and run into issues that I may not encounter in populated areas. It doesn't matter what type of car you are driving with a remote location. Would you go to a small town and just carry your phone to make payments or would you keep a small amount of cash on you? Your phone may run into issues in remote locations. Would you go to a remote location that may not be near stores and not bring food? How would you know to bring food or you'll need to drive 45 miles?
The car gave you a warning to reduce your speed inorder to make it to your destination. Your top compliment is potentially getting stranded. Did the car tell you not to stop to charge? The car doesn't factor in the danger of driving 60 around cars that are going 90. It simply let's you know you need to charge and things you can do to reduce energy usage.
Yes, I'm telling you that using the climate control consumes energy and its likely the reason for you losing miles. If you have the climate control on, the car wasn't off. I dont believe you lost 7 miles from that while loading and loading for ten minutes. I could be wrong, but that has not been my experience. That doesn't mean its not possible.I'm also saying the same is true if you use the air in a gas car which you seemed to ignore.
If I somehow needed a tow, they'd take me home or the nearest station just like you. The time you spend down is irrelevant considering I wouldn't need to fully charge in most cases. If I were irresponsible enough to allow the battery to drain and in turn had to wait around, that's on me; not the car.lets not act like tow trucks show up in ten minutes or less. You could still be sitting around for an hour more waiting for them to bring gas. Again, charging vs gas is a know thing. You are speaking as if your first time considering or hearing this was today.
Instead of reaching out to the owner, you're bitching about Elon as if your complaints are Tesla specific. If you had my 70000 car, I wouldn't care what time of night/day it was, call me with any issues. I maybe sleep or miss your call, but I'd respond sooner than later. Why are you on here venting about your poor experience instead of contacting someone who can help you and would know of any issues with the car.
Miss a payment they electronically shut your shit down
Because nobody should have to do a deep dive on a car just to rent it for the weekend.
I researched the basics. How to fuel it. How to put it in drive, park and reverse, how to find charging stations, read the battery gauge. Stuff that's important for any other car.
If the owner wants to do more research that's smart. But nobody should have to do all that if they already know how to drive a gas-powered car.
New technology has a learning curve, but when you're dealing with something as potentially dangerous as driving on a freeway that curve has to be as small as possible.
Ask yourself, how much research did it take for you to learn how to use a backup camera, a blind spot detector or lane assist? At most you probably watch the short YouTube video or flipped through a couple pages in The manual.
If you were to lend your car to someone who hadn't done any research at all or even used these features before could you reasonably expect them to understand how it works on their own? You probably could.
Now compare that to a fuel gauge that will tell the driver there's 25% more range than they actually have. A system where refueling the car requires understanding voltage, using at least three different types of nozzles, a series of adapters, or being a part of somebody's "network". A system where these factors can make the difference between your car taking 2 hours to charge and 8 hours.
Meanwhile a gas powered car uses the same nozzle at every station and takes the same amount of time to fill.
Tesla has a lot of innovative features that I barely scratched the surface on. If those need to take a bit more study to learn then fine. But basic operations need to be as straightforward as possible.
They really dropped the ball on this and they need to be called out!
He’ll never admit to being wrong so you and all of us are wasting our time.
My recommendation was for people who are interested in potentially owning an EV, so its not too much especially for the price point. That being said, under the circumstance of an EV being different from a gas car you should do more to understand what issues can occur in general. The way you would drive a manual car is different from driving a automatic. I'm not going to rent a manual car and cry about not realizing it's slightly different than an automatic.
Do you even know what your issue was? If it was literally i didn't have an adapter, that isn't a deep dive as much as basic shit you could have easily discovered. Did you actually attempt to charge at a Tesla station? It's not as complex as you are attempting to make it. You literally put the nozzle in the port and it charges. It would make more sense if you said you couldn't get the self driving or some other feature to work right. This is on you and potentially the person who rented you the car. I just went to Hertz. They not only mention the adapter but seem to provide it as well. They literally in bold mention charging a Tesla at a non Tesla station.
You keep trying to make this a Tesla issue, but this is an EV issue. Ford recently made a statement saying moving forward their EV will use the same charging design as Tesla. Point is there isn't a universal mandatory standard in the US. this behavior isn't new. Apple pretty much attempts to silo its products to the point of either not getting full functionality with other products, no functionality or its clunky with other products. They are not alone.
You mentioned something about the mileage not being accurate. Just like with a gas car there are different factors that could impact your mileage. Neither are 100% accurate.its an estimate for Evs and gas cars.
I've already mentioned allowing others to use my car and they had no issues charging it. The basics of operation are the same except you need to consider where you are going due to the limited infrastructure. You didn't need the owner to give you access generally speaking. I'm was giving you potential issues and how to resolve it. To this day, my girl is not officially on my account as a driver or have her own account and we live together. All she has is my fob. I have unlimited charging, but my credit card is still linked to my Tesla account from making purchases. It could be that the owner knowingly doesn't have a card linked to a car he is renting out. He's expecting you to pay for your own charging. If you are renting an EV out, I'd think you'd have an adapter in the car as a backup. It's the equivalent of having a spare tire. The adapter is a backup in the event you are not near a Tesla charging station.
He's good. He's just venting. We've all been there and would likely have the same attitude under similar circumstances. If I can keep him from smacking the shit out of the person who rented him the car with no adapter, I've done my good deed for the year.
That’s the problem with all these legacy auto makers trying to push their EV's. The wait time is months long. Then on top of that their dealerships will give you the no Vaseline treatment and add $10k - $20k or more in mark up.
People love the online no haggle experience of buying a Tesla with no mark up & quicker delivery time.
I remember me & the wife test drove the BMW i4 when it 1st came out & the sales experience was terrible. Salesman said it would take almost 6 months for it to be delivered and they tried to add about $15k mark up on top of that
Yeah I was in the Market and loved riding in my sister’s but no I can’t support that MAGA bitch
What Tesla charging partnerships with Ford and GM mean for the EV industry
Ford Motor, General Motors and Tesla appear to have shifted the tide on the electric vehicle-charging infrastructure in North America.
CCS is far superior to Tesla proprietary standard. People keep talking about how heavy the cable and connector, most of them are supported by a retractable attachment to the cable that keeps it off the ground and supports the weight. This is a safety feature if the cable is sabotaged or breached and comes into contact with a pool of water. This could be engineered better plus the installation process should raise the height to keep the cable from dragging on the ground.
Some CCS chargers may support the weight from above. It can also swing out. Once you get rid of the Chademo garbage this should be more intuitive and easier.
Tesla uses a shorter and lighter guage cable to keep their cable off the ground. You can only back up your car to the charger, so the charger will have to be at the back. I am worried about EMF/cancer from using a lower gauge cable leaking out when 350 to 1000 kwh is dumped. It looks all cool and sexy, but I don't want leukemia.
Finally there is also no 1000 volts, tesla connectors are limited to 500 volts for now, but could change in the future, nobody talks about this.
The EU just mandanted that Tesla use CCS ports for its cars. Tesla intentions when they developed this charging network was for properietary self interest and was never to share with other manufacturers to have a competitive advantage.
When he said that having one for a couple of weeks to see if it fits in your lifestyle was a bad idea, that's when everyone should've been done.
I didn't use the supercharger.
They had one right outside my hotel, but because of an inaccurate fuel gauge I didn't know if I could make it there. Also, my online research told me renters can't use superchargers.
Maybe it would have worked. But if it didn't I would have been screwed. So I checked out the chargepoint stations instead.
If Tesla's website specifically addressed renting I could have been better prepared, but they don't! So instead I had to rely on Joe Blow's YouTube videos and websites and hope they were both factual and honest. Turns out they left out a lot of details that I really needed to know.
The charging adaptor was more than a spare tire because of where I live. It's a small island connected to the Bay bridge halfway between Oakland and downtown San Francisco. Using a supercharger in Oakland would mean paying a $7 toll to get back. Most of the charging stations in downtown San Francisco are in paid lots. Meanwhile, there's four free chargepoint stations 5 minutes from my house. Right now I'm using one to top off the car before I bring it back to the owner who also lives on the island.
Bottom line, like I told another poster, I don't own a car and have no intention of buying one. Instead I rent them for work and consider them tools. Wanted to see how well a Tesla would work and learned the hard way that it's just not the right tool for the job.
I think a different EV might work for certain situations, but it won't be a Tesla.
You can use Superchargers as a renter. People or companies who rent Tesla can't use superchargers for free, but technically speaking most people who bought a Tesla around 2019/2020 and after have to pay too. In your case, it's likely that the payments would have gone to the owner. Had you gotten the car from Hertz it would go to them and in return they'd likely bill you.
Tesla doesn't rent cars as a business and you weren't their customer. When potential customers start the purchasing process, they offer to sale you an adapter as well as the at home charger.they also explain what it is used for on the website. You know who did mention this without trying to rent to you first. Hertz the car rental company. Other rental companies likely do the same. Your issue should be with the platform you used or the person you rented from.
The other thing you mentioned was knowing about the navigation and it's ability to show you chargers but going with a third party option. I was under the impression you tried a Tesla charger ran into issues and then discovered you needed an adapter for the third-party charger or worse there was no Tesla station near by. You basically said this shit is broke without trying to use it with its in-house solution that apparently was very near by. You still have not answered this but did you ever reach out to the owner of the car for help?
You don't want to compare the adapter to a spare tire. What about a donut instead. You aren't supposed to drive on a donut long term. Its a backup until you can replace your tire. It's similar with the adapter. It's a backup device. You don't need it to charge the car unless you are using a third party.
Most importantly you literally proved my point. You drove an EV for three days and learned things about EVs that you had not considered. You then decided that you were unsure about EVs, but you were definitely not interested in a Tesla. You even said the youtube video didn't provide you with the information to make an informed decision. The resource you used literally gave you advice that turned your experience into a shit show.
I'm giving you grace because I understand you're pissed about the situation, but you can't possibly be serious about advice to test something out before making a large investment. why do 30 day money back guarantees or test driving exist?
Just to be clear, this has nothing to do with some type of fan boy loyalty. I don't care what EV you use or if you use gas cars. I've not only criticized Tesla cars but Elon as well.its documented on this site. My only point from the start was for individuals to self educate/experience a product instead of listening to others blindly including myself.
Reason I didn't ask about the Tesla charger after I got back is because by then I didn't need it. The rest of my trips were local so taking it to the charge point station near my house was good enough. No sense bothering him unnecessarily.
You're right about one thing. He easily could have added me to his network and billed me later. I use his toll pass to cross the bridge a couple of times and when that bill comes in he'll send me an invoice. Could have done the same with the fuel. But that's why I'm not renting from him anymore.
That said, I drove nearly 500 miles last weekend and only paid $7 for fuel. Can't be mad about that!
Oh at to answer the question my next car will most likely not be a Tesla. I’m thinking about a Mach E or maybe the new cheaper Volvo or polestar.
I meant before you got back. You said you bearly made it back.had you asked for help you could have avoided the stress. If you only paid $7 for 500 miles, what's to complain about in the grand scheme.
He didn't need to add you to use the charger. Assuming he had a card on file he would have been billed and you would have used the charger without issue. I was initially saying he could add you as a driver and you creating your own account would allow you to pay for it yourself. From what you said, the payment method likely was not a factor as you never used a Tesla charger. At 7 for 500 miles I'm going to assume most people don't care and factor in the expense as a part of their rental price. Regardless it overall seems to have worked out.
It all worked out. Gig went great. Made my money, learned some life lessons, on to the next.
But if I see Elon walking down the street he still getting touched for that.
I was considering it initially but those cars/suvs are so damn common in Toronto that it turned me off....I ain't trying to look like everybody else. That plus the fact that the owner started exposing his true nature as a CAC born in South Africa during Apartheid is enough to make me stay the fuck away. I'll cop a Taycan
I’m loving my Model Y and buying another to take advantage of the tax incentives. I got Full Self Driving and it’s crazy how much it keeps improving with every update.
What Tesla charging partnerships with Ford and GM mean for the EV industry
Ford Motor, General Motors and Tesla appear to have shifted the tide on the electric vehicle-charging infrastructure in North America.www.cnbc.com
CCS is far superior to Tesla proprietary standard. People keep talking about how heavy the cable and connector, most of them are supported by a retractable attachment to the cable that keeps it off the ground and supports the weight. This is a safety feature if the cable is sabotaged or breached and comes into contact with a pool of water. This could be engineered better plus the installation process should raise the height to keep the cable from dragging on the ground.
Some CCS chargers may support the weight from above. It can also swing out. Once you get rid of the Chademo garbage this should be more intuitive and easier.
Tesla uses a shorter and lighter guage cable to keep their cable off the ground. You can only back up your car to the charger, so the charger will have to be at the back. I am worried about EMF/cancer from using a lower gauge cable leaking out when 350 to 1000 kwh is dumped. It looks all cool and sexy, but I don't want leukemia.
Finally there is also no 1000 volts, tesla connectors are limited to 500 volts for now, but could change in the future, nobody talks about this.
The EU just mandanted that Tesla use CCS ports for its cars. Tesla intentions when they developed this charging network was for properietary self interest and was never to share with other manufacturers to have a competitive advantage.
I want liquid or cryogenic cooling of a cable with a thick gauge almost unmovable cable to plug into my car before they dump one megawatt. The car manufacturers might take the short road to make EV more attractive and sellable to the public with some flimsy streamline cable that is cancer causing with ionic radiation.
It is like having a nuclear reactor without coolant, you wouldn't last a minute near that thing.
This is a time to be vocal because I have seen where they have cut corners or made mistakes and it's impossible to shut it down. They do all this retarded nonsense to cover up their mistakes. Another thing is there is a switch the detects AC versus DC with Tesla's, there is bound to be defects with the switch what would happen if AC goes into your car battery thinking it's DC.
It just seems like corners are being cut to sell EV and make them sexy and attractive with a thin cable. All the dummy work that can go defective is being moved from the person to some sensor.
After having rented a Model Y extended range for the first time I can say with confidence that electric cars are not ready for "renting."
Owning might be a better experience especially if you can install a super charger at home. But keeping that EV charged is a bitch and is nowhere near as convenient as filling up an ICE vehicle.
I rented from Hertz at MDW. It was an awful customer service experience. Had I not researched and been prepared I would have been screwed. The people at Hertz clearly hate their lives and did the least possible. Hertz charges a surcharge of $35 if you return the EV under 70%. It was my goal to keep the EV charged near or above 70%. I was spending time in Oakbrook, Aurora and Naperville, IL.
I knew everything I needed to know about charging the car and the locations of the "free" charging and the Super Chargers. it was still a pain. It takes too long to charge a vehicle at the free chargers. And if you have to catch a flight you will risk missing the flight in an effort to have the EV charged upon return. It took 2 hours to get just 15% at the Charge Point chargers. 15% fucking percent in 2 hours! GTFOH!
With all of that said I am renting another EV from MDW when I go back next. They have a Model 3 available that is the least expensive thing to rent at the moment.
That gives you an indication of how many people are renting the EV's. They aren't.
EV's are not ready for renting. it is too complicated a process to keep charged. And there are not enough places to charge unlike the vast network available for ICE vehicles.
Owning might be a better experience especially if you can install a super charger at home. But keeping that EV charged is a bitch and is nowhere near as convenient as filling up an ICE vehicle.
I rented from Hertz at MDW. It was an awful customer service experience. Had I not researched and been prepared I would have been screwed. The people at Hertz clearly hate their lives and did the least possible. Hertz charges a surcharge of $35 if you return the EV under 70%. It was my goal to keep the EV charged near or above 70%. I was spending time in Oakbrook, Aurora and Naperville, IL.
I knew everything I needed to know about charging the car and the locations of the "free" charging and the Super Chargers. it was still a pain. It takes too long to charge a vehicle at the free chargers. And if you have to catch a flight you will risk missing the flight in an effort to have the EV charged upon return. It took 2 hours to get just 15% at the Charge Point chargers. 15% fucking percent in 2 hours! GTFOH!
With all of that said I am renting another EV from MDW when I go back next. They have a Model 3 available that is the least expensive thing to rent at the moment.
That gives you an indication of how many people are renting the EV's. They aren't.
EV's are not ready for renting. it is too complicated a process to keep charged. And there are not enough places to charge unlike the vast network available for ICE vehicles.
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but got damn thats a good looking mutha.... in all black.That’s the problem with all these legacy auto makers trying to push their EV's. The wait time is months long. Then on top of that their dealerships will give you the no Vaseline treatment and add $10k - $20k or more in mark up.
People love the online no haggle experience of buying a Tesla with no mark up & quicker delivery time.
I remember me & the wife test drove the BMW i4 when it 1st came out & the sales experience was terrible. Salesman said it would take almost 6 months for it to be delivered and they tried to add about $15k mark up on top of that
but got damn thats a good looking mutha.... in all black.
Have you seen the i5?
This thing is nice.
That is a trip that the ev1's and ev2's were great cars and they outlawed them until they figured out to take over the market. They would not allow the owners to keep them. And they kept 4 of them to put in museums but took out the motor and ignition so no one could duplicate them. Strange shit that we have to live with. And how all this technology is coming out but it was here for generations. They just had to make sure they introduce it to the public from a white perspective denying where the technology actually came from.
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