$$$$$ ~ 'Surviving (and thriving) on $12,000 a year' - Donna Freedman

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Couple of interesting articles I came across when logging out of MSN a few minutes ago. Fun, quick reads from a woman named Donna Freedman. 'Cuz I know alot of us can relate ... be it through tough(er) times as a student, or self + family members who straight hustle and stretch their dollars properly. Ain't no damn shame in coupons & bargain/deal-hunting.

As my dad says to his girlfriend of 10 years ... "I don't mind using coupons at fancy restaurants. Saving $15 - 20 bucks at a meal ... is great. I'd rather take you out TWICE in the long run instead of just once."

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http://www.osawatch.com/2007/02/can_you_live_on.html
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1) SURVIVING (AND THRIVING) ON $12,000 A YEAR - November 23, 2007
http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/savingsdebt/insight/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5753467
http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/


2) A DAY IN THE (FRUGAL) LIFE - April 02, 2008
http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/savingsdebt/insight/article.aspx?cp-documentid=6659603
http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/


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"Surviving (and thriving) on $12,000 a year

I've made my choices, and they include no more husband, an education and huge changes in the way I spend money.
By Donna Freedman
November 23, 2007

I'll be living on just over $1,000 a month this year. That doesn't sound like much -- and it isn't -- yet I plan not just to live on it, but to build a savings account.

My 2007 "income," the money I can actually count on, will be $12,084. I know this because it consists of alimony and a portion of a school grant. (I went back to school last year; the grant covers tuition and books with a little left over.) I already know my big-ticket annual costs, too: rent of $6,300 and $1,200 for car insurance. Subtract these from my income and I'm left with $382 a month for food, utilities, clothes, medical deductibles and co-pays, gasoline, renter's and life insurance and any help I give my daughter, who lives on even less than I do.

Make no mistake: I'm poor by choice, because I needed to change my life. I chose to leave my marriage, and I chose to become a student. I can live this way because I know it won't be forever. I'll have my degree in two more years, and I'll go back to work.

I survive on economies large and small. I bring my laundry to baby-sitting jobs (yes, I ask permission). I brown-bag my lunch every single day. I combine coupons and rebates to get items for free (I haven't paid for toothpaste, shampoo or other toiletries for years). I drink water, not soda.

But in order to thrive, you have to hustle, too, always looking for ways to save a dime or to make one. I exchange spent ink cartridges for reams of printer paper at Office Max. Whenever I see a candy dish, I put a piece in my coat pocket; if my energy flags midday, those toffees and peppermints keep me from buying snacks. After I won a basket of specialty coffees at a school event, I immediately sold it on Craigslist.org; I sold a "free after rebate" phone that way, too.

If you've never been really broke, all these desperate little economies might seem silly. You're probably thinking, "Why not have a soda? It's only a dollar." Because I've got just 382 of those dollars each month, that's why, and those dollars have other places to go. The insurance runs out in May and I'll need to get student insurance, at $389 per quarter. The car needs a 60,000-mile check-up. My share of a dental crown is going to be $486; I will ask for a discount if I pay in cash.

Jill of all trades
Last year I survived on a number of here-and-there gigs: freelance writing, work-study, baby-sitting, mystery shopping, resident manager (read: janitor and handyma'am) of my apartment building, paid medical research and writing for the community-college newspaper. (I was the oldest living cub reporter.)

There was little downtime; when I wasn't working I was studying, doing homework or writing papers. And I was perpetually weary and frequently ill all year long. Fact of life: A 48-year-old college student simply doesn't have the energy of an 18-year-old college student.

This year I'm dumping most of the part-time gigs. I'll still freelance and baby-sit, but very selectively. My new school means tough classes, a long bus commute and lots of reading and studying. More to the point, it's a great opportunity, and I'd like to take full advantage. So I'm choosing to work less in 2007, focusing instead on getting healthy and getting my education.

That means careful money management and a fair amount of sacrifice. I'm willing to do both. As a freelance writer and recent divorcee, I'm accustomed to lean living. Here are some of the mantras that have kept me going thus far:

It's not what I have, but how much of it I can keep. To paraphrase Ben Franklin, every dollar I don't spend is a dollar I have earned. So when I think I need something, I ask, "Can I do without this?" Often I find I can. If I can't, then my next question is...

How can I get it free, or almost free? The obvious answers are sites like Craigslist.org and thrift shops, especially ones like Value Village that offer coupons and half-off sales. My 99-cent clock-radio wakes me up every morning just as efficiently as a high-tech alarm from The Sharper Image. Rummage sales are swell, too; my church has an annual sale called "Superfluity" (I love that name) at which I bought my desk for $4 and a small chest of drawers for $1. I also buy Christmas and birthday gifts at Superfluity and an annual "500-family" rummage sale. No one has to know that that hardback bestseller under the tree cost you only 50 cents.

Enough is as good as a feast. I love to eat. I don't love paying for it. Because I don't have a "regular" job of at least 20 hours a week, I don't qualify for food stamps. So I shop very, very carefully, and I go to the food bank. Most weeks I can count on potatoes, apples, bread and a can or two of vegetables. Some lucky weeks I get milk, orange juice, pasta, tomatoes, rice or a small package of meat. I cook a lot of beans and stews, and I'm adequately fed -- maybe not as richly or as conveniently as I'd like, but well enough to keep me going.

Every day is casual Friday! When my jeans are in tatters I buy a "new" pair at Value Village (one pair cost me just $1.63, and it was new -- still had the department-store tags on it). I spend $15 or less on running shoes from clearance tables. I've bought a couple of thrift-store tops, but mostly get by with shirts I've had for ages. (Hint: The clothes dryer takes years off the life of your duds. Get a drying rack.) Some days I wish I looked nicer. Most days it doesn't bother me, and I doubt it'll bother anyone else, since students at my school have been known to wear flannel PJs to class. Bonus: When you dress the way I do, panhandlers hardly ever ask you for money.

Announce my intentions. Time and again I have found that when I need something I should "put it out in the universe," which is also known as "prayer." One night last fall, squinting over my homework, I realized I needed more light in the apartment. A day later, a halogen floor lamp landed in the Dumpster outside my window. Recently my umbrella got cranky about opening. The next week I was given a high-quality bumbershoot as a thank-you gift for helping with a campus blood drive. Coincidences? Maybe.

$20 to feel rich
I've decided to increase my monthly church tithe to $20. Sure, I could use that extra $240 a year. It just about equals the university registration fee, or the money I promised my daughter toward the price of her wedding dress. It also represents almost half of the car insurance premium heading my way in April.

But giving that money away makes me feel rich. No matter how straitened my circumstances, I can be a part of services the church provides for the homeless, the impoverished elderly and those living with AIDS. In other words, tithing reminds me that there are lots of people worse off than me, people who'd love to have my so-called "problems."


That's not to say that I wouldn't like to have more cash. It would allow me to help my daughter, to secure my future, to buy more roasts and fewer pinto beans. But I figure I won the cosmic lottery just by being born here, a country where I can not only work on a degree at age 48, but also find scholarships and education grants to help me pay for it. I have a roof over my head, food every day, family and friends, and occasionally even a $10 student ticket to the symphony. Some days I feel like the luckiest person in the world.

If I really am lucky, then I'll make it through 2007 with a positive bank balance. Check back with me next December and I'll let you know how I did."



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A day in the (frugal) life
By Donna Freedman
April 02, 2008

When I wrote "Surviving and thriving on $12,000 a year," some people thought it was a scam. They wrote notes to the editor along the lines of, "Come on, nobody could really live on that." The fact is, plenty of people live on less.

These days, some readers ask whether this part-time writing job changed things. As I noted in the follow-up to the original article, my life changed but my lifestyle didn't. The additional income has let me visit family, invest in decent shoes, and buy the occasional rotisserie chicken.

I still hate to pay retail, though.

Yesterday's errands are a good example. I'm listing a typical day of frugal hacks to show that yes, I do still live this way and that no, it's not onerous. Actually, it's kind of fun.

Body wash, potato chips
Breakfast was the usual oatmeal, from a 42-ounce box that cost 50 cents thanks to a loss-leader price and manufacturer's coupon. While eating I read the Sunday ads and planned the most efficient driving route to preserve that outrageously expensive gasoline.

First stop was Albertsons, for Lay's potato chips at 99 cents a bag with store coupon; I'm stocking up for my daughter's wedding reception, a sandwiches-salads-veggies affair. (Potato chips are vegetables, right?) In the same shopping plaza is Staples, where sale price plus the $3 store credit from a spent ink cartridge meant that a two-pound tub of Anderson pretzel rods cost 98 cents. (With a little mustard these are a low-fat treat.)

Across the street at Rite Aid, I got a bottle of shampoo and some disposable razors for $7.49. I'll get the $7.49 back with store rebates that are filed online -- I don't even have to buy a stamp.

At a Walgreens down the road, I used coupons and sale prices to buy six bars of soap, two bottles of mango-pomegranate body wash, two deodorants, two tubes of toothpaste and a 64-ounce bottle of liquid soap for $28.43. After store rebates, the cost dwindled to $10.95. I also transferred a prescription in order to get a $25 store gift card.

Fruits and knowledge
I'd been able to find just one college textbook online for spring quarter, so my next stop was the University Book Store -- taking advantage of free campus parking on weekends. From there I walked to a nearby Jimmy John's and bought a day-old baguette for 50 cents.

Also in the neighbourhood is Office Max, which recently sent out a $10 coupon. With it I got two spiral-bound notebooks and a 400-count box of Sweet'N Low for just $1.

On the way home I swung by another Walgreens for a dozen eggs ($1.50) and a Bertolli frozen pasta dish for two that cost $2.49 with coupon and instant store rebate.

My last stop was a produce stand where items are cheap and also discounted when they're really ripe. For $5.74 I got two mangoes, three on-the-vine tomatoes, four big oranges, four bananas and a pound of strawberries.

Frugal multitasking
Once home, I put two chicken leg quarters and two pork chops in to bake; when I heat up the oven, I like it to be full. The chops were 99-cent-a-pound loss leaders that I'd rewrapped and frozen in pairs; the chicken is always 89 cents a pound at a market a few blocks away.

Next I put two shirts into soapy water in the bathroom sink. While they soaked I put away my purchases, recorded the rebate information, and put some homemade chilli and grated cheese in a microwaveable dish as the basis for the next day's brown-bag lunch. Then I rinsed the shirts and hung them up to dry.

My meal was tasty and cheap: chicken, a sliced tomato, a serving of white corn, a piece of that baguette, strawberries and homemade iced tea. It cost $1.58 plus the electricity to cook the four pieces of meat -- and I now have the basis of three more suppers in the fridge, part of my "one-pot glop" theory of cooking.


How much did I save?
Obviously, I got some great deals. But my hunting and gathering had other benefits. For example, those scented body washes will go into holiday gift baskets with other inexpensive or free-after-rebate items plus a bath sponge from the dollar store.

The frozen dinner will come in handy some night when I'm too tired or harried to cook from scratch. At $1.25 a serving, it's certainly cheaper than takeout.

The errands got me out of the house on a sunny spring day. It was pleasant to walk through university grounds full of cherry blossoms and daffodils.

Pleasanter still was the frugal frisson that I feel when I get a deal like school supplies and three months' worth of iced-tea sweetener for a buck.

Not everyone can or will take frugality to such an extreme. But even a few steps -- packing lunches, clipping coupons, picking up dropped change -- can add up surprisingly fast. Frugal hacks start to feel normal. Paying full price starts to feel irritating. However, even I would stop short of using two-for-one coupons on a first date.

On the other hand, if your guest pulls a BOGO coupon out of his or her wallet, it might be love.
 
FIRE POST! Good drop! Specially with the damn recession and everything

Wifey and I are now learning to save, combine we make 110k a year. last year we had nothing to show for it at the end of the year. Since jan we have save $7,600 and I'm about to get rid of my Baby (bmw 540).
 
This makes a lot of sense. Good post. Thankfully, I don't have to take it to her extremes, but if I did, I can imagine the amount of extra $$$ would be in the bank. Something to think about.

Hot post.

-Z
 
Wifey and I are now learning to save, combine we make 110k a year. last year we had nothing to show for it at the end of the year. Since jan we have save $7,600 and I'm about to get rid of my Baby (bmw 540).

How is getting rid of an old car going to save you money, it should be almost paid for.
 
What are some of ya'lls tips and tricks in regards to saving money on a DAILY BASIS-type format?

Also ... what types of things have you thought about doing, but haven't been able to incorporate into play in your own lives ... but want to later this year, or next?
 
Wifey and I are now learning to save, combine we make 110k a year. last year we had nothing to show for it at the end of the year. Since jan we have save $7,600 and I'm about to get rid of my Baby (bmw 540).

CO-SIGN!

YO! WHEN I GOT OUT OF THE AIR FORCE!
I'D CELEBRATED WITH THE 06 (745) JOINT!
I HAD IT FOR LIKE A YEAR!:smh:

SHIT!
THAT WHIP! EAT A HOLE IN MY POCKET!
ONE OF MY MOST EXPENSIVE LESSONS!
I CONSIDER IT!
A LESSON LEARNED!:lol:

NOW U CAN CALL ME MR. PARSIMONIOUS! :dance:
 
I made it a point in my life to have everything I own paid for no car notes no mortgage. My cars are old but they run I got three a car a truck and a van, I paid cash for my house its paid for.

Anyone can do it if you can resist the urge to impress people, I spend money on the things that make my life comfortable. And the funny thing about it niggas can talk shit about my raggedy cars but I get more pussy than most cats I know, and I can put my hands on cash whenever I need it. Black people need to really think about how they spend their money. Imagine knowing that all your bills are paid no matter what, You can go out of town whenever you feel like it and theirs no debt on your shoulders, thats when you begin to live your life.

I did it by sacrificing the flashy things my boys was getting for more practical things, see I was cool regardless if I had the lastest shit material shit didn't make me who I am. I saved money for years and paid cash for big items I bought cars for 3k 5k threw engines in them when needed and drove them bitches till the doors came off.

I looked at it like this A bitch don't know what you drive when you are in the club or at work so I learned not to depend on shit like that for my game. Now them same niggas that was like dam Mike you been working and you aint got shit, you should be fresh as hell, they renting apts or houses paying high ass car note and car insurance trying to buy gears and shit but they can't enjoy shit because they work 6 days a week, they can't keep 50 bucks in their pockets and they pussy bill is way too high.

Me I can do what I want eat what I want turn the heat up as high at I need to and say fuck a job in the summer time and just work a lil bit in the winter. Im not braggin at all by no means but we need to work smarter and not harder we make ourselves slaves.
 
I made it a point in my life to have everything I own paid for no car notes no mortgage. My cars are old but they run I got three a car a truck and a van, I paid cash for my house its paid for.

Anyone can do it if you can resist the urge to impress people, I spend money on the things that make my life comfortable. And the funny thing about it niggas can talk shit about my raggedy cars but I get more pussy than most cats I know, and I can put my hands on cash whenever I need it. Black people need to really think about how they spend their money. Imagine knowing that all your bills are paid no matter what, You can go out of town whenever you feel like it and theirs no debt on your shoulders, thats when you begin to live your life.

I did it by sacrificing the flashy things my boys was getting for more practical things, see I was cool regardless if I had the lastest shit material shit didn't make me who I am. I saved money for years and paid cash for big items I bought cars for 3k 5k threw engines in them when needed and drove them bitches till the doors came off.

I looked at it like this A bitch don't know what you drive when you are in the club or at work so I learned not to depend on shit like that for my game. Now them same niggas that was like dam Mike you been working and you aint got shit, you should be fresh as hell, they renting apts or houses paying high ass car note and car insurance trying to buy gears and shit but they can't enjoy shit because they work 6 days a week, they can't keep 50 bucks in their pockets and they pussy bill is way too high.

Me I can do what I want eat what I want turn the heat up as high at I need to and say fuck a job in the summer time and just work a lil bit in the winter. Im not braggin at all by no means but we need to work smarter and not harder we make ourselves slaves.

Great points, brother Mike.

For me ... it's all about the age(d)-old expression of "living WITHIN/BELOW one's means".

- Single
- I have never owed a single penny in debt in my life
- I'm careful and frugal
- I work like hell and save like a sumbitch
- I work in a field wherein we can eat AT WORK. So that saves me thousands annually on grocery bill shit. When I go shopping every 10 - 14 days ... I'm only picking up stuff like dairy / grains + breads / fruits + vegetables / cereals. I never have to buy meats ... in that I get ALL my protein at work
- I make use of coupons / deals
- I don't own anything flashy
- Got a reliable 2000 auto with 114,000km on it. I drive it sparingly and only need to gas up once every 3 - 4 weeks. It's fuel-efficient too.
- I put money into high interest savings and retirement plan accounts
- I do NOT touch the above ^
- I pay my credit card bill off in full IMMEDIATELY and never have an outstanding balance, and plan never to pay a penny in interest
- I make sure to pay my bills from my MINIMAL chequing account (directly at the ATM) and make sure my cash is working for me in the aforementioned UNtouched savings-related content instead
 
Great points, brother Mike.

For me ... it's all about the age(d)-old expression of "living WITHIN/BELOW one's means".

- Single
- I have never owed a single penny in debt in my life
- I'm careful and frugal
- I work like hell and save like a sumbitch
- I work in a field wherein we can eat AT WORK. So that saves me thousands annually on grocery bill shit. When I go shopping every 10 - 14 days ... I'm only picking up stuff like dairy / grains + breads / fruits + vegetables / cereals. I never have to buy meats ... in that I get ALL my protein at work
- I make use of coupons / deals
- I don't own anything flashy
- Got a reliable 2000 auto with 114,000km on it. I drive it sparingly and only need to gas up once every 3 - 4 weeks. It's fuel-efficient too.
- I put money into high interest savings and retirement plan accounts
- I do NOT touch the above ^
- I pay my credit card bill off in full IMMEDIATELY and never have an outstanding balance, and plan never to pay a penny in interest
- I make sure to pay my bills from my MINIMAL chequing account (directly at the ATM) and make sure my cash is working for me in the aforementioned UNtouched savings-related content instead


I am a hooked nose jew!!!!! I said it before I say it again.

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Coupons, bonus cards, etc.

I am a miser.......but I love cars, thats it. Everything else is simple as fuck but I love my cars.

I do not care about when I am 65, at that age all I will be doing is trolling BGOL having to pay for shit I used to get for free.

With the price of gas, my love of cars if fading. :smh:

Now I am even more of a miser. 12k a year? I would probably still have change left over.

Please, I dont even buy toilet tissue I steal it from the gyms, thats how much of a cheap bastard I am. :smh: :smh: :smh: Them Brown paper towels clean the kitchen just fine.

I can afford it but why??? That shit adds up over years. :yes:

And once I found out I can got the channels I wanted of stream.........................fuck cable!!! :lol: :lol:

I love to save money. I even pump the soap from the gym into bottles to put by my bathroom sink, I hate buying shit like that. :lol:
 


Now I am even more of a miser. 12k a year? I would probably still have change left over.

Please, I dont even buy toilet tissue I steal it from the gyms, thats how much of a cheap bastard I am. :smh: :smh: :smh: Them Brown paper towels clean the kitchen just fine.

I can afford it but why??? That shit adds up over years. :yes:

And once I found out I can got the channels I wanted of stream.........................fuck cable!!! :lol: :lol:

I love to save money. I even pump the soap from the gym into bottles to put by my bathroom sink, I hate buying shit like that. :lol:


Lol. I hear you, bro. In my line of work we're allowed to eat at work ... so best believe I appreciate loading up on a solid caloric intake. I figure ... if I'm getting staples like grains / fruits / veggies / protein / chicken-fish-beef when there doing afternoons/nights, I might as well eat solid meals and snacks as often as possible. Certainly cuts down on my already-small grocery tab.
 
part time once a week job at a chain hotel. It will set you right for soap, toilet paper, shaving cream, paper towels, shampoo and conditioner, pens computer paper. You can even get access to their printer/copier/fax machine so fuck kinkos. They dont keep an inventory of those said items.

Next thing you know when its vacation time you can get the friends and family discount on that same hotel. 150 a night vs 45 all for 8 hours once a week.
 
good read
real shit
talk about survival skillz.
this sounds like the daily routine for a lot of black folks i know....both poor and somewhat paid/just cheap.
 
Personally ... I live by a motto my dad's often gone by. He's very frugal, but at the same time quite generous. He'll go and spend a night out of town to get some deals and visit some 2nd relatives ... and come back with gear for the fam'. Gifts, as he puts it. Always looking for bargains, and he's always been good with the ENTERTAINMENT BOOKS (which I'm sure ya'll are all aware of in your many cities, states, and provinces). Pay $45 - 50 (and it's got deals for all types of places/events inside). It's for a good cause too (forget which organization/charities are involved). Anyway ... there's some deals to be had. Some high-end restaurants have deals like $25 off meals for two and whatnot. Real savings (shit's worth half your entire book ... on one single coupon). And his girlfriend would often say to him in the past - "why do you always have to use coupons?" - He'd look at her like :confused: - "$25 is $25 ... and I would much rather take you out to TWO MEALS instead of just one. Or hell ... have money left over to put towards other activities we have in mind ..."
 
Bump...we need this info to start off the year RIGHT!

But how come you don't see no FINE women saving money? Only these Iowa-Nebraska looking broads! :lol:
 
Bump...we need this info to start off the year RIGHT!

But how come you don't see no FINE women saving money? Only these Iowa-Nebraska looking broads! :lol:


FINE women are too busy:

A) Spending random chumps' and simps' money OR ...
B) Spending their own money keeping up with the Joneses (aka - the other fly-ass bitches)

:lol:
 
Some MORE articles from Donna Freedman, for those interested:

http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/smartspending/archive/tags/Donna+Freedman/default.aspx
http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/smartspending/archive/tags/Donna+Freedman/default.aspx?PageIndex=2
http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/smartspending/archive/tags/Donna+Freedman/default.aspx?PageIndex=3
http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com
http://moneycentral.msn.com


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