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Spike Lee Talks "Django Unchained"
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This!
I dont understand the disdain everyone seems to have with Tarantino. Hell, I love Tarantino's movies. Loved Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill series....didn't like Bastards too much.
Spike always had a problem with people coming up with movie ideas before he did. Didn't Spike also have a problem with Steven Spielberg because he did a project that Spike wanted? I think it was Amistad.
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So you're still talking, and have yet to read a single fucking page of the PDF I posted?..
Willful ignorance..
You do know the script as well as reviews and spoilers of it have been out before you posted your magic pdf link right, are you assuming youre the only one with any insight into the movie?
slavery and slave revolts are not some new ideas that tarantino brilliantly envisioned, he just had the clout and box office draw to get his bullshit version made. if it was that easy im sure spike as well as others would have been made one. remember spike had trouble getting malcolm x financed(a powerful, brilliant movie). while Im sure hes bitter about hollywood politics I highly doubt hes jealous of QT's ideas.
Dumb ass! It is all through the show. That's the point I was making you simple fool.
you say this without seeing the movie lol. from what i read it depicts whites as evil but its interesting you have the same opinion as the drudge report. they dont like jamie killing all those white ppl in revenge.
Nah.. I'm saying you haven't read shit.. That's what I'm saying. Basing YOUR opinion on a review is flat out ignorant when you could see for yourself.. If you'd read the script from my "magic link", or anywhere else, you wouldn't be sounding as fucking retarded as you sound right now..
That's the point..
For all of you defending this shit, in IBs' script, the jews were called jews by everyone including the nazis throughout the movie. Why does QT feel a need to refer to blacks as n**rs over 100 times? Why does he have such a fondness for that instead of "blacks" or even in the context of this movie, "slaves"? And you wonder why spike is disgusted 
Do you two want a room...you're just as dumb as he is
For all of you defending this shit, in IBs' script, the jews were called jews by everyone including the nazis throughout the movie. Why does QT feel a need to refer to blacks as n**rs over 100 times? Why does he have such a fondness for that instead of "blacks" or even in the context of this movie, "slaves"? And you wonder why spike is disgusted
You won't get an answer to this.
It's because according to him, black people in 2012 want to see blaxploitation movies and he thinks we don't mind hearing ourselves called that, because we call each other that.
White people stay setting the definition and standards for us, because half of us don't know who the fuck we are and stand for nothing. He would never dare do that shit with Jews, because they have the power in Hollywood to change that shit before the script hits the desk. Everything is a fuckin joke to us, not realizing the joke is on us.
For all of you defending this shit, in IBs' script, the jews were called jews by everyone including the nazis throughout the movie. Why does QT feel a need to refer to blacks as n**rs over 100 times? Why does he have such a fondness for that instead of "blacks" or even in the context of this movie, "slaves"? And you wonder why spike is disgusted
Bullshit... They were called rats and everything in between.. You might want to watch it again fam..
And nobody is calling anybody a ****** over 100 times.. Stop feeding into propaganda, and read the fucking script one page back..
I will see it in a theatre unless a screener becomes available before Saturday
The film is about an ugly and horrific time in history,im sure all involved with the film would agree
How the story of such horrors is shaped in the film shouldnt make someone completely disavow the film.
The film is about an ugly and horrific time in history,im sure all involved with the film would agree
How the story of such horrors is shaped in the film shouldnt make someone completely disavow the film.
Saw trailer, does Jamie Fox character have a lined up haircut during slavery?????????????????????
Bit much if that is throughout the movie....
Bit much if that is throughout the movie....
I'm going to the theater right after I get off
c/s.
So, what if Tim Story or some other black director besides Spike said this? Would it be more effective then?
To the twitter fool that said the slave trade was about tobacco, etc while the "holocaust" was about killing jews: so one was orchestrated by a person who just wanted to get rid of a people while another was orchestrated by a group of people who wanted to make some money before getting rid of a people.
I wouldn't give QT a red cent and I WILL be watching a bootleg of this. Its "just a movie" but its a movie I won't be $upporting. I could have seen the screener already but I was busy last week. Most black folks don't understand the depth of white folks' disrespect via humor. Their subliminals are multi-layered.
OIn the one hand, its just a movie. On the other, I have never liked that smug ass Tarantino mutha fucka. You fanboys can suck his dick but while I respect his skills as a director, that don't mean we have to support his shit. Jews would never support a movie that in any way slights or disrespects their culture, even if it made them out to be the heroes. Any other director would get called out but for some reason, because Tarantino hires a couple of more black actors than other CVAC directors, he seems to get a pass. Fuck him, too. Fuck all of Hollyweird. They hate us.
To the twitter fool that said the slave trade was about tobacco, etc while the "holocaust" was about killing jews: so one was orchestrated by a person who just wanted to get rid of a people while another was orchestrated by a group of people who wanted to make some money before getting rid of a people.
I wouldn't give QT a red cent and I WILL be watching a bootleg of this. Its "just a movie" but its a movie I won't be $upporting. I could have seen the screener already but I was busy last week. Most black folks don't understand the depth of white folks' disrespect via humor. Their subliminals are multi-layered.
OIn the one hand, its just a movie. On the other, I have never liked that smug ass Tarantino mutha fucka. You fanboys can suck his dick but while I respect his skills as a director, that don't mean we have to support his shit. Jews would never support a movie that in any way slights or disrespects their culture, even if it made them out to be the heroes. Any other director would get called out but for some reason, because Tarantino hires a couple of more black actors than other CVAC directors, he seems to get a pass. Fuck him, too. Fuck all of Hollyweird. They hate us.
Just saw the movie. Spike Lee is a fucking clown.
Jamie did his Clint Eastwood throughout the movie and not one CAC was spared.
The only reason on Earth someone like Spike would hate this movie are the Mandingo scenes and Sam Jackson's character.
Otherwise, every wrong against black folk in that movie was avenged, no tricks, no bootlicking by Jamie, nothing.
Christopher Waltz will get an Oscar nod.
Like I said before, Spike couldn't explain in one sentence how this movie negatively affects his ancestors.
I think he's just pissed he never thought of it first.
No wonder black folk get no unique shit put on film.
Jamie did his Clint Eastwood throughout the movie and not one CAC was spared.
The only reason on Earth someone like Spike would hate this movie are the Mandingo scenes and Sam Jackson's character.
Otherwise, every wrong against black folk in that movie was avenged, no tricks, no bootlicking by Jamie, nothing.
Christopher Waltz will get an Oscar nod.
Like I said before, Spike couldn't explain in one sentence how this movie negatively affects his ancestors.
I think he's just pissed he never thought of it first.
No wonder black folk get no unique shit put on film.
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Real shit!
@ all these hurt feelings in this thread. You buggers are so funny.Out of all the movies to take a stance against that has slavery in it you choose this one. The one that actually has a black protagonist having some 'get-back' against these cacs because, it's not the melodramatic piece you think every slave film should be? GTFOH! Last year and earlier this year there were post praising a movie of this magnitude being made with a protagonist such as Django killing slavers during slavery era. Shit I had even started making my own "Southern" as QT calls it. Now it's here and this... Because Spike said so...Spike is a jealous hater. A favorite director of mine but I can see he is.
I understand the hatred for the N word, we know Quentin likes using it in his films but what about the verbal and non-verbal racist content of any other work of fiction? You think this film going to foster more racism or shine light on it? Aren't there bigger fish to fry than the N word? I'm sorry but the ones that really exploit the use of the N word and make it sound cool more than anybody are rappers.
Also, I can't even count the numerous times I've seen jokes about The Roots film, Kunta Kinte and Levar Burton and it's characters on this forum, the Amistad movie too. And those are two movies that deal with the subject matter more realistically and accurately and as melodramatic and traumatic as slavery was. Yeah I guess the ancestors would appreciate that.
Quentin isn't making fun of slavery in this film. Django Unchained is action packed, hilarious, horrifying and even somewhat poetic. Most of the comedic scenes come from the banter between Django, King Schultz and Stephen. Django is a character of dignity and you see it in the film. It has all the ups and downs a film should have. Yeah Tarantino takes small liberties with history as Inglorious Basterds did, but he also faces the historical truths of slavery and deals with the harsh reality head-on. The reality is that slavers, plantation owners, and most white people were cruel back then. Even still less slaves die in this movie than white people. The only exploiting that Tarantino riffs on is the violence which was cartoonishly gory as it was in Kill Bill. He doesn't trivialize slavery or diminish the plight of slaves in this film even though this isn't a film about slavery but retaliation/get-back/revenge/vengence/retribution.
Shit niggas in here angry, but if Tarantino made this film during slavery era and didn't show any aspects of slavery you would be complaining about "How can you make a movie taking place during slavery and not show slaves? That's disrespecting and ignoring our history." What's even funnier is a lot of you liked that Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter film and paid money to see it but have a problem with this film? The fuck...how you do that? And that movie pretty much glossed over slavery like that shit wasn't going on where the black character Anthony Mackie played was more pigeonholed into second fiddle category than a mutha fucka.
If you just looking for another melodramatic "slavery is bad" film "look how down-trodden we were" and "look how harsh conditions were for my ancestors", "I can barely watch because I'm so angry how they treated us", then Django isn't for you. Movie are about entertainment. If you want a history lesson pick up a book or watch a documentary. Acting like depictions of slavery can't be used in fiction. It's that kind of closed minded mentality that keeps us from having a platform to make our own Django-esque movies.
Like the Spaghetti Westerns and '70s blaxploitation pictures Django Unchained takes it's cues from this movie deals with a lot of anger, righteous anger at that and really provided an entertaining outlet for it. This was about a fight against social injustice and how old habits of superiority die-hard.
A lot of you may be boycotting this movie because you not a fan of Tarantino's or because it wasn't made by a black director or whatever, that's your prerogative. But you can't accurately judge a movie until you've seen it and I'm sure many of you will watch this movie on bootleg or otherwise despite your protest. I think once you give this movie a chance your opinion might actually change.
I've said enough. That's my .02
Saw it, pretty good. couldnt wait to get home and look up that "submission" shyt.
The Ben soliloquy. Ain't no truth to that Phrenology has long been discredited and proven as pseudoscience. You heard what Ol'boy said about The Count of Monte Cristo and the Three Musketeer's.
It's about nurture not nature.
MAybe people didn't complain about Lincoln vampire hunter BECAUSE it didn't use slavery/plantation life as a backdrop for the story. That movie was pure fantasy and as such rightly avoided any references or recreations to a horrible episode of american history that could derail it from that purpose.
Out of all the movies to take a stance against that has slavery in it you choose this one. The one that actually has a black protagonist having some 'get-back' against these cacs because, it's not the melodramatic piece you think every slave film should be? GTFOH! Last year and earlier this year there were post praising a movie of this magnitude being made with a protagonist such as Django killing slavers during slavery era. Shit I had even started making my own "Southern" as QT calls it. Now it's here and this... Because Spike said so...Spike is a jealous hater. A favorite director of mine but I can see he is.
I understand the hatred for the N word, we know Quentin likes using it in his films but what about the verbal and non-verbal racist content of any other work of fiction? You think this film going to foster more racism or shine light on it? Aren't there bigger fish to fry than the N word? I'm sorry but the ones that really exploit the use of the N word and make it sound cool more than anybody are rappers.
Also, I can't even count the numerous times I've seen jokes about The Roots film, Kunta Kinte and Levar Burton and it's characters on this forum, the Amistad movie too. And those are two movies that deal with the subject matter more realistically and accurately and as melodramatic and traumatic as slavery was. Yeah I guess the ancestors would appreciate that.
Quentin isn't making fun of slavery in this film. Django Unchained is action packed, hilarious, horrifying and even somewhat poetic. Most of the comedic scenes come from the banter between Django, King Schultz and Stephen. Django is a character of dignity and you see it in the film. It has all the ups and downs a film should have. Yeah Tarantino takes small liberties with history as Inglorious Basterds did, but he also faces the historical truths of slavery and deals with the harsh reality head-on. The reality is that slavers, plantation owners, and most white people were cruel back then. Even still less slaves die in this movie than white people. The only exploiting that Tarantino riffs on is the violence which was cartoonishly gory as it was in Kill Bill. He doesn't trivialize slavery or diminish the plight of slaves in this film even though this isn't a film about slavery but retaliation/get-back/revenge/vengence/retribution.
Shit niggas in here angry, but if Tarantino made this film during slavery era and didn't show any aspects of slavery you would be complaining about "How can you make a movie taking place during slavery and not show slaves? That's disrespecting and ignoring our history." What's even funnier is a lot of you liked that Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter film and paid money to see it but have a problem with this film? The fuck...how you do that? And that movie pretty much glossed over slavery like that shit wasn't going on where the black character Anthony Mackie played was more pigeonholed into second fiddle category than a mutha fucka.
If you just looking for another melodramatic "slavery is bad" film "look how down-trodden we were" and "look how harsh conditions were for my ancestors", "I can barely watch because I'm so angry how they treated us", then Django isn't for you. Movie are about entertainment. If you want a history lesson pick up a book or watch a documentary. Acting like depictions of slavery can't be used in fiction. It's that kind of closed minded mentality that keeps us from having a platform to make our own Django-esque movies.
Like the Spaghetti Westerns and '70s blaxploitation pictures Django Unchained takes it's cues from this movie deals with a lot of anger, righteous anger at that and really provided an entertaining outlet for it. This was about a fight against social injustice and how old habits of superiority die-hard.
A lot of you may be boycotting this movie because you not a fan of Tarantino's or because it wasn't made by a black director or whatever, that's your prerogative. But you can't accurately judge a movie until you've seen it and I'm sure many of you will watch this movie on bootleg or otherwise despite your protest. I think once you give this movie a chance your opinion might actually change.
I've said enough. That's my .02
Qt said he wanted to make a WESTERN but using the antebellum south with a slave plantation as his setting THATS where the point of contention comes in.
again..something like that you did not see in his big WW2 The Jews Strike Back epic Inglorious Basterds.
THAT is the point I'm making. Jews wouldn't not only tolerate using the holocaust as a backdrop for an action film it wouldn't even occur to most people to do something like that. It either didn't occur to tarantino or he consciously avoided staging his war film in an Auschwitz setting.
In the beginning I was kinda hyped to see django unchained but my position now is evolving and I can see how people can take offense to it on principle. The native american community wouldn't appreciate an action/fantasy movie that used The Trail Of Tears as a backdrop.
Somethings should be seen for what they were and not used for escapist entertainment purposes...thats why Schindler's List was done almost documentary style and not as a thriller/drama. And when people talk about the holocaust in entertainment media its in hushed respectful tones.
Now QT THINKS he's being respectful by portraying the brutality of slavery in america but his concept of doing a western but with slavery in the background as a motivating force for the characters is out of pocket at best regardless of good intentions.
I mean if we're going to use horrible episodes of human history as settings for fictional action stories then lets do them all..if django unchained can be made and win major awards then when is the big holocaust action film going to be made (complete with emaciated jews with hollowed eyed stares and hopeless look about them?)
How about 911 with a recreation of the towers being hit and coming down..while we're at it I'm sure theres a great thriller story that can use the Newtown Massacre as its setting..26 kids still get killed but this time the principal of the school gets into an exciting john woo style shootout with adam lanza and they both kill each other.
Now if you think ANY of those ideas are offensive but stlll think django unchained is just a movie then sherlock holmes couldn't give you a clue
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You are wrong Sir, I don't think that he said that the film, "negatively affects his ancestors"... it's not about "AFFECTING"... Damn!
IJS, I haven't seen the movie yet but why is it so hard for blacks to give any1 else credit (including other blacks( for ANNNYYYYYTHHHHINNG. If we spent less time worrying about everyone else and focussed fixing us from the inside we'd be so much further ahead. Stupid as niggas will spend all this time blogging about dislike for this movie but won't make moves better our condition, maybe some free education, maybe telling the cops where that community killing criminal is next door to them, yadda. Don't tell me about QT's poor taste when sorry assed niggas know crack dealers, murderes, thieves and won't make moves to get these NIGGAS outcha neighborhoods. Just doesn't make sens. It's almost like the system has cultured us to complain about shit but do nothing to better the condition.
MAybe people didn't complain about Lincoln vampire hunter BECAUSE it didn't use slavery/plantation life as a backdrop for the story. That movie was pure fantasy and as such rightly avoided any references or recreations to a horrible episode of american history that could derail it from that purpose.
Qt said he wanted to make a WESTERN but using the antebellum south with a slave plantation as his setting THATS where the point of contention comes in.
again..something like that you did not see in his big WW2 The Jews Strike Back epic Inglorious Basterds.
THAT is the point I'm making. Jews wouldn't not only tolerate using the holocaust as a backdrop for an action film it wouldn't even occur to most people to do something like that. It either didn't occur to tarantino or he consciously avoided staging his war film in an Auschwitz setting.
In the beginning I was kinda hyped to see django unchained but my position now is evolving and I can see how people can take offense to it on principle. The native american community wouldn't appreciate an action/fantasy movie that used The Trail Of Tears as a backdrop.
Somethings should be seen for what they were and not used for escapist entertainment purposes...thats why Schindler's List was done almost documentary style and not as a thriller/drama. And when people talk about the holocaust in entertainment media its in hushed respectful tones.
Now QT THINKS he's being respectful by portraying the brutality of slavery in america but his concept of doing a western but with slavery in the background as a motivating force for the characters is out of pocket at best regardless of good intentions.
I mean if we're going to use horrible episodes of human history as settings for fictional action stories then lets do them all..if django unchained can be made and win major awards then when is the big holocaust action film going to be made?
How about 911 with a recreation of the towers being hit and coming down..while we're at it I'm sure theres a great thriller story that can use the Newtown Massacre as its setting..26 kids still get killed but this time the principal of the school gets into an exciting john woo style shootout with adam lanza and they both kill each other.
Now if you think ANY of those ideas are offensive but stlll think django unchained is just a movie then sherlock holmes couldn't give you a clue
Thank you.
You never heard of Naziploitation films? Love Camp 7, She Wolf Ilsa, SS Experiment Love Camp, SS Hell Camp. I swear there are far far too many Holocaust movies. Most of them take place in concentration camps or death camps or brothels during WWII. The Pianist, Defiance, The Holocaust, The Round up. They all deal with depictions of concentration camps as the backdrop to tell their stories. Even stories about Jewish girls being prostituted in Auschwitz camps were popular in Israel. Schindler's List was a drama, documentary style what do you mean the cinematography? If so yeah it was. And a lot of Jewish people even took issue with that film for deifying the use of slave labor. I mean how many action WWII movies have we seen showing graphic depictions of concentration camps. What was that series that was on HBO band of brothers, was that it about the army guys killing up Nazi's and saving Jews. And that's just the ones we know of here in the states. If you do a search you will find BEAUCOUP films using the painful parts of history. They have every storytelling about Jews and the holocaust told from every angel.
Further have you seen many westersn and how they did Native Americans? Did you see Last of the Mahicans? It ain't like they just do this to black people.
That's what movies are, escapist entertainment, that's why we go see them. Tell me why any part of history should be off limits in fantasy filmmaking? This idea that it's disrespectful to include painful parts of history in film because the jews don't or the Native Americans wouldn't is misplaced and fallacious. If this was a spoof it would be different. Mel Brooks comes to mind and mofos loved Blazing Saddles and that Hitler spoof he did that has become an Internet meme.
QT tells his stories how he wants to tell them. If you don't like you don't watch. Slave depictions do little to derail the story of Django from it's purpose as a fictional Western. The only argument that should be made about using historical subject matter is did you do it dignity in it's portrayal and you can't do that unless you watch the movie.
Inglorious bastards was a joke about the Holocaust.. I figured this movie would be something like that.
All of this may be true but i have to see for myself. I have yet to see a Tarintino movie i didnt like. Even more, yet to see a black character portrayed in any of the movies that offended me. I find it hard to believe jaime foxx and samuel L would sign on for a movie that challenged their dignity. Just because its a movie about slaves in slave time doesnt mean its automatically exploitive just because a white man wrote it. Ill be sure to let my opinion known when i see it tonight (theatre was sold out yesterday)
I respect Spike Lee and his life plights. But have no time for the opinions of militant black " righteousness" . Cuz its just as much of a gimmick as anything else. Often times they cant even see the brilliance of an idea, if it doesn't depict blacks and kings and queens. Jackie Brown was a complexed character. Did that character have dignity? or was she just a silver tongued slick whore? or possibly a mix of both? In most good movies characters are gonna be a mix of both.
Naziploitation films were low budget grindhouse flicks from the poor taste era of the 70s and early 80s..there were number of plantation slave films done then as well...But tell me what A-list director and major film studio like Tarantino and Miramax did something like that then or in the last 30 years? The later examples you mentioned The Pianist, Defiance, The Holocaust, The Round up were all heavy dramas that took their subject matter very seriously they didn't mix genre elements such as action and comedy in with it. And if Jewish people had issues with Schindler's List then you tell me what theyre reaction would have been to a Django Unchained treatment of the Holocaust today? I would actually like an answer to that because I've asked it before and people keep avoiding answering. DO YOU THINK THE JEWISH COMMUNITY WOULD BE OKAY WITH A DJANGO UNCHAINED LIKE TREATMENT OF THE HOLOCAUST? DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF A FILMMAKER WENT TO AN ACTUAL CONCENTRATION CAMP SITE AND FILMED SCENES?Thank you.
You never heard of Naziploitation films? Love Camp 7, She Wolf Ilsa, SS Experiment Love Camp, SS Hell Camp. I swear there are far far too many Holocaust movies. Most of them take place in concentration camps or death camps or brothels during WWII. The Pianist, Defiance, The Holocaust, The Round up. They all deal with depictions of concentration camps as the backdrop to tell their stories. Even stories about Jewish girls being prostituted in Auschwitz camps were popular in Israel. Schindler's List was a drama, documentary style what do you mean the cinematography? If so yeah it was. And a lot of Jewish people even took issue with that film for deifying the use of slave labor. I mean how many action WWII movies have we seen showing graphic depictions of concentration camps. What was that series that was on HBO band of brothers, was that it about the army guys killing up Nazi's and saving Jews. And that's just the ones we know of here in the states. If you do a search you will find BEAUCOUP films using the painful parts of history. They have every storytelling about Jews and the holocaust told from every angel.
And Native americans aren't happy about that shit either. They just don't have a big enough lobby and juice to do anything about it.
There isn't any limit on subject matter but that doesn't mean there wouldn't be any backlash. And how do you portray historical subject matter with dignity if the overall story is something of an action comedy?
Those examples I mentioned...How about 911 with a recreation of the towers being hit and coming down..while we're at it I'm sure theres a great thriller story that can use the Newtown Massacre as its setting..26 kids still get killed but this time the principal of the school gets into an exciting john woo style shootout with adam lanza and they both kill each other. Do you think theyre good subjects to use for fantasy fiction action films? Do you think they would be well received by the public at large if they were done some time in the future?
Also I'm not saying tarantino or anyone else doesn't have the right to make whatever kind of film they want but they need to understand that people have a right to express their disapproval or objections to their work since its in the public.
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