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fonzerrillii said:
Why do you just assume that we are saying that the X-men are going to be the next movie coming up next.

I'm just saying that this is a way to bring them in with Deadpool.

It would also allow them to have two different types of Skrulls. The ones introduced in Captain Marvel and the ones we are more familiar with.
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I'm not assuming that - what I'm sayingis Eternals is on slate for Phaze 4 -before any possible Xmen movie

What you are describing is what Feige has said is not going to happen
Only Deadpool exists - so yeah maybe multiverse him

The rest are starting completely from scratch

Again in the books the Eternal story contains the mutant genesis- why use multi verse if that story will drops into MCU first?
 
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Can't wait to see it.

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"THE MAN" said:
I'm with you on this one.
Doom is easy. He has just been waiting and watching.
Fantastic Four are easy. Explorers of the quantun realm who got lost and gained powers within it.
X-Men on the other hand is tricky. If you just have mutants appear then its new to everyone. So that means all backstories are dead. No Holocaust for Magneto. No Weapon X for Wolverine. Etc. You would have to start fresh.
Also mutants can't just appear in a world that loves Hulk. They wouldn't be feared or hated. So that's another dilemma. Do we wipe away the hatred for them?
It's a tricky situation. Curious as to how to handle it.
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Thank you for this..

This is exactly what I meant..

You just can't throw them in.... Like you could bring in Mutants after the Eternals movie.. but I don't see how you could bring in the X-men
 
ViCiouS said:
I'm not assuming that - what I'm sayingis Eternals is on slate for Phaze 4 -before any possible Xmen movie

What you are describing is what Feige has said is not going to happen
Only Deadpool exists - so yeah maybe multiverse him

The rest are starting completely from scratch

Again in the books the Eternal story contains the mutant genesis- why use multi verse if that story will drops into MCU first?
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I get your point..

but to me..

I think it depends on when the Eternals movie is based..

If it is based in the past like the Rumor says it is will be... then I still think you have to use multi-verse to bring in the x-men..

If it is a present day movie and an event happens that cuts on the mutant gene inherent in certain people... then I'll agree with you.. that you could bring in the x-men in a present day MCU... but it will be way to weird.

I don't want to see a Non-Holocaust based Magneto.
 
fonzerrillii said:
I get your point..

but to me..

I think it depends on when the Eternals movie is based..

If it is based in the past like the Rumor says it is will be... then I still think you have to use multi-verse to bring in the x-men..

If it is a present day movie and an event happens that cuts on the mutant gene inherent in certain people... then I'll agree with you.. that you could bring in the x-men in a present day MCU... but it will be way to weird.

I don't want to see a Non-Holocaust based Magneto.
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Eternals being based in the past is why the mutant gensis will be explained - making way for Namor, Wolverine Sabertooth Apocalypse all longevity / external mutants etc
and showing how long they have lived among humans undetected or passed off as monsters or legends (werewolf vampire bigfoot leprechaun Achilles, Hercules, King Arthur etc)
personally I'm tired of jewish magneto... its time for a change there have been multiple atrocities and genocides since ww2, I hope Marvel shed some pop culture light on them instead of going back to the same old well

fonzerrillii said:
I don't see how you could bring in the X-men
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what makes you think they need to intro a fully formed team? the book started with 5 kids and their history
an xmen movie could start by showing Scotts father and mother being abducted and Scott's fall
and tell the story of of each of the original 5 being found by x or seeking him out
It could start with x as a young man
They could build to intro Magneto in a sequel - make his history the a plot
 
ViCiouS said:
Eternals being based in the past is why the mutant gensis will be explained - making way for Namor, Wolverine Sabertooth Apocalypse all longevity / external mutants etc
and showing how long they have lived among humans undetected or passed off as monsters or legends (werewolf vampire bigfoot leprechaun Achilles, Hercules, King Arthur etc)
personally I'm tired of jewish magneto... its time for a change there have been multiple atrocities and genocides since ww2, I hope Marvel shed some pop culture light on them instead of going back to the same old well

what makes you think they need to intro a fully formed team? the book started with 5 kids and their history
an xmen movie could start by showing Scotts father and mother being abducted and Scott's fall
and tell the story of of each of the original 5 being found by x or seeking him out
It could start with x as a young man
They could build to intro Magneto in a sequel - make his history the a plot
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Yeah the MCU can make Magneto's father the Holocaust survivor who then started a new family in a another European country that experienced a recent ethnic cleansing....

There you keep Magneto's Jewish history while adding another layer...

And then we find out Magneto had children and he thought they died but finds out they were adopted/monitored by Hyrda in... Sokovia...

And there you have a family shared history of pain in the MCU...
 
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fonzerrillii said:
Thank you for this..

This is exactly what I meant..

You just can't throw them in.... Like you could bring in Mutants after the Eternals movie.. but I don't see how you could bring in the X-men
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No need to combine them
The x men world is totally different they fear and hate mutants

Take that away and theres little left

99% of the shit that goes down with them is cause someone is studying or scared of them
So either capture or eliminate
 
jasonblacc said:
?????

And that bitch please was out of place and unnecessary.
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Varis said:
Bitch please :smh: why call spiderman a bitch
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How yall watch the trailer and don't get this???????????

When Nick called Peter he got "ghosted". Peter was like "Fuck you I'm going on vacation."

Nick Fury.

Nick FUCKIN Fury.

You think Nick used to gettin dissed? Nigga been bogartin superheroes since Iron Man 1 when he showed up in Tony Stark's home. Now he got this punk ass high school kid straight dissin him. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiittttttttt.

Now he gotta track this lil fucker down across the world. He probly got a small sense of satisfaction shootin fat boy in the back wit da tranq.

That "bitch please" was mild. That shit warranted a couple Pulp Fiction style "Mothafuckas" but the flic is PG.
 
Anyone who doesn't think this is going to hit a billion after all the Endgame hype is fooling themselves. Shit's practically guaranteed, Spidey helped Cap's Civil War numbers go BOOM! Naw I'm predicting Iron Man 3 numbers, this is gonna be huge.
 
I didnt read every post but I dont get why the multiverse answer wouldn't work. I highly doubt that they would do it, but they could do something similar to the end of the Onslaught storyline. At the end of the story most if not all of the non mutant heroes were moved to a pocket universe by Franklin Richards. I don't completely remember how they were brought back to the main universe but a similar situation could more or less be easy to explain and tie things up nicely. There were no mutants in the universe Franklin made and no memory of the real universe existed. I believe the main universe believed the non mutant heroes were killed in that final battle with Onslaught.

Either way a multiverse would be the best solution. Saying some how mutants went unnoticed during this time period would be dumb. It would also be a stretch to say a telepath hid all mutant activity. The only other option that could be interesting would be something like all the non mutant heroes were on Mojo world or something similar, but that may piss off fans if you said what they were watching for years was a big game show.

As far as the merger not working because the Hulk is loved goes, for some reason Marvel has always made it somewhat ok to be superpowered as long as you were not a mutant. At least up until recent time ( I think this changed in the 2000s). As far as I can remember the Avengers and Fantastic Four have never been persecuted because of there powers. However, mutants are hated and feared for their powers. It never made much sense, but maybe it was because most of the non mutant heroes were known to be man made science related.
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
No need to combine them
The x men world is totally different they fear and hate mutants

Take that away and theres little left

99% of the shit that goes down with them is cause someone is studying or scared of them
So either capture or eliminate
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EXACTLY!
The xmen are not adventurers or crime fighters - they are counterterrorism , rescue and sanctuary
so you can't just drop them in without an emerging community, growing public fear, oppression and an underground culture with an increasing population

Multiverse intro doesn't give you the Morlocks nor any of the issues surrounding seemingly normal parents discovering their kids are mutants nor a history of impacting history and hiding
It doesn't provide motive for terrorists / freedom fighters like the Brotherhood

none of the pre "days of future past " characters work as multiverse transplants
 
guyver said:
I didnt read every post but I dont get why the multiverse answer wouldn't work. I highly doubt that they would do it, but they could do something similar to the end of the Onslaught storyline. At the end of the story most if not all of the non mutant heroes were moved to a pocket universe by Franklin Richards. I don't completely remember how they were brought back to the main universe but a similar situation could more or less be easy to explain and tie things up nicely. There were no mutants in the universe Franklin made and no memory of the real universe existed. I believe the main universe believed the non mutant heroes were killed in that final battle with Onslaught.

Either way a multiverse would be the best solution. Saying some how mutants went unnoticed during this time period would be dumb. It would also be a stretch to say a telepath hid all mutant activity. The only other option that could be interesting would be something like all the non mutant heroes were on Mojo world or something similar, but that may piss off fans if you said what they were watching for years was a big game show.

As far as the merger not working because the Hulk is loved goes, for some reason Marvel has always made it somewhat ok to be superpowered as long as you were not a mutant. At least up until recent time ( I think this changed in the 2000s). As far as I can remember the Avengers and Fantastic Four have never been persecuted because of there powers. However, mutants are hated and feared for their powers. It never made much sense, but maybe it was because most of the non mutant heroes were known to be man made science related.
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what you are ignoring is how much story occured before in order to make the Onslaught story work
almost 30 years of story telling most of it written by one writer, if not for that amount of establishment Onslaught storyline & resolution doesn't work

Like I posted before, mutants were not mentioned in comics before xmen #1 comic - but they were introduced to Marvel Universe seamlessly and the mutant community was built out in writing over time

When they intro Xmen to MCU it will be the same thing - because Feige is doing the Eternals movie first...

Without a hidden community of mutants with embedded history on earth / main timeline - the Xmen do not have the same story nor impact

fyi - the reason mutants are feared and or hated is because the mutations are random and some are dangerous/ lethal, or cause deformity and worse there is no way for average humans to know if their kid is a mutant until the abilities manifest around puberty
 
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Marvel doesn't have the balls to do it..but I wish xmen visually looked like the first matrix... Trinity easily could be rogue, neo trench coat look could easily be gambit, more hand to hand combat, with special abilities featured ever So often..matrix has been the blueprint for an x men movie forever
 
What's next Black panther saying "n please" to falcon
I can see scarlett witch and capt marvel having an argument and scarlett witch mumble cosmic bitch but spider man shouldn't be called a bitch
 
ViCiouS said:
what you are ignoring is how much story occured before in order to make the Onslaught story work
almost 30 years of story telling most of it written by one writer, if not for that amount of establishment Onslaught storyline & resolution doesn't work

Like I posted before, mutants were not mentioned in comics before xmen #1 comic - but they were introduced to Marvel Universe seamlessly and the mutant community was built out in writing over time

When they intro Xmen to MCU it will be the same thing - because Feige is doing the Eternals movie first...

Without a hidden community of mutants with embedded history on earth / main timeline - the Xmen do not have the same story nor impact

fyi - the reason mutants are feared and or hated is because the mutations are random and some are dangerous/ lethal, or cause deformity and worse there is no way for average humans to know if their kid is a mutant until the abilities manifest around puberty
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I didnt ignore anything. You dont need to use 60 years of history. The movies are there own world. The Infinity storyline in the movie is completely different from the comics. Days of future Past was different in the movie than the comic. Age of Apocalypse was just the name of a major Marvel event and clearly the movie had nothing to do with the comic version. these storylines were built over time and clearly the movie adaptations could not fit years of storytelling into 2 to 3 hour movies. In my example the key component is Franklin Richards being the cause of the different worlds.

Going the multiverse route doesn't change the impact of mutants existence. It doesn't even need to use my example, but it works better than no one every mentioning mutants. How would you explain Fury not knowing about mutants or knowing and not recruiting any. We know the reason the word mutants ( marvel didn't have rights at the time) were not used, but from a storytelling perspective it doesn't make sense why they didn't say Quicksilver was a mutant only to bring up mutants later.

I'm perfectly aware of why mutants are feared. The randomness of mutation doesn't explain why mutants are not accepted vs non mutants with powers. Realistically how would anyone know how or what the source of an Avenger's power is or Fantastic Four. Especially since mutants have been Avengers. I dont even think ( could be mistaken) Spiderman is disliked because of his powers.
 
guyver said:
Days of future Past was different in the movie than the comic. Age of Apocalypse was just the name of a major Marvel event and clearly the movie had nothing to do with the comic version. these storylines were built over time and clearly the movie adaptations could not fit years of storytelling into 2 to 3 hour movies. In my example the key component is Franklin Richards being the cause of the different worlds.
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great examples of shit writing - and even worse production and zero fan service
thats why none of these movies made money or had any where near the audience impact of even the weakest in the MCU

Why would Feige and company choose to follow in the footsteps of a franchise mired in utter and repeated failures?

guyver said:
Going the multiverse route doesn't change the impact of mutants existence. It doesn't even need to use my example, but it works better than no one every mentioning mutants. How would you explain Fury not knowing about mutants or knowing and not recruiting any. We know the reason the word mutants ( marvel didn't have rights at the time) were not used, but from a storytelling perspective it doesn't make sense why they didn't say Quicksilver was a mutant only to bring up mutants later
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it would be VERY lazy writing and limited imagination for a studio that builds story outlines with arcs told over 22 movies

Wakanda and Panter existed as a powerful nation with agents in the US for decades that no one mentioned before Avengers 2
Klaw was fucking shit up decades before Avengers or the first Iron Man movie
the Ancient One was living in NYC during the battle of NY

Its real simple - Fury has been established as an on going vault of secrets
examples where Fury revealed amazing secrets that would have been useful earlier: Avengers, Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War

Where was Captain Marvel during battle of NY? Fury had a pager for 20 years
Captain America First Avenger established the existence of a fighting unit that Wolverine will be a member of
etc
etc

Imagining XMen as multiverse refugees- would misunderstand the core myth - its that kind of arrogance that gave us movies like BvS / or any of the Wolverine movies



guyver said:
I dont even think ( could be mistaken) Spiderman is disliked because of his powers.
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:lol:
yeah you really are not a comic book reader -
J Jonah Jameson... NYC has a love hate relationship with Spidey (as a "freak") that waxes and wanes
 
ViCiouS said:
great examples of shit writing - and even worse production and zero fan service
thats why none of these movies made money or had any where near the audience impact of even the weakest in the MCU

Why would Feige and company choose to follow in the footsteps of a franchise mired in utter and repeated failures?

it would be VERY lazy writing and limited imagination for a studio that builds story outlines with arcs told over 22 movies

Wakanda and Panter existed as a powerful nation with agents in the US for decades that no one mentioned before Avengers 2
Klaw was fucking shit up decades before Avengers or the first Iron Man movie
the Ancient One was living in NYC during the battle of NY

Its real simple - Fury has been established as an on going vault of secrets
examples where Fury revealed amazing secrets that would have been useful earlier: Avengers, Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War

Where was Captain Marvel during battle of NY? Fury had a pager for 20 years
Captain America First Avenger established the existence of a fighting unit that Wolverine will be a member of
etc
etc

Imagining XMen as multiverse refugees- would misunderstand the core myth - its that kind of arrogance that gave us movies like BvS / or any of the Wolverine movies



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yeah you really are not a comic book reader -
J Jonah Jameson... NYC has a love hate relationship with Spidey (as a "freak") that waxes and wanes
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That's my point. It's not about comic book fans alone and truthfully you dont need fan service to sell a movie. The Batman Trilogy is a good example of a series that was self contained and for the most part only used the basic elements of the Batman story.

You really think your magical story about no one being aware mutants exist makes sense, yet a mutiverse based loosely on a comic it event is bad writing? You can't be serious. At no point did I say a mutiverse should take place in one movie.

You still haven't answered the initial question which is why are mutants treated differently from other super powered beings and you're doing a poor job at pitching your idea of a population of superpowered being some of which do not look close to human never gets brought up. I guess mutants like Nightcrawler would be a myth or everyone who couldn't blend in were morlocks living in sewers.

It doesn't matter that JJ relationship with Spriderman is love/hate. What is one of the primary reasons he doesn't like Spriderman? Does it have to do with his powers alone? JJ attitude was more or less centered around heroes wearing mask aka vigilantes. Was never that into Spriderman, but has anyone feared him purely based on his abilities like with mutants?

Also, since when did Infinity War not count as MCU. I guess you were to busy ranting to see that.

You're right. I'm not a comic historian and never made that claim. At this point in my life I'd hardly call myself a fan. That doesn't change the facts that a pocket universe in which non mutants were sent by a mutant happened in the comics and if done correctly could easily explain the current state of the movie verse. Especially if they plan on rebooting the the Xmen again.

I've never said anything about mutiverse mutant refugees and agree that would be poor writing.

You're smart enough to know that there is a difference between Wakanda and the other events you mentioned and a entire race not be brought up one time especially when ( to comic fans) a mutant was shown in the world. Fury could have all the secrets he wants, but there are very few ways to hid the existence of mutants from the general public.

You mentioned Captain Marvel being in the MCU and alot of people consider that a plot hole to the MCU, so the current MCU team is not perfect.
 
guyver said:
That's my point. It's not about comic book fans alone and truthfully you dont need fan service to sell a movie. The Batman Trilogy is a good example of a series that was self contained and for the most part only used the basic elements of the Batman story.

You really think your magical story about no one being aware mutants exist makes sense, yet a mutiverse based loosely on a comic it event is bad writing? You can't be serious. At no point did I say a mutiverse should take place in one movie.

You still haven't answered the initial question which is why are mutants treated differently from other super powered beings and you're doing a poor job at pitching your idea of a population of superpowered being some of which do not look close to human never gets brought up. I guess mutants like Nightcrawler would be a myth or everyone who couldn't blend in were morlocks living in sewers.

It doesn't matter that JJ relationship with Spriderman is love/hate. What is one of the primary reasons he doesn't like Spriderman? Does it have to do with his powers alone? JJ attitude was more or less centered around heroes wearing mask aka vigilantes. Was never that into Spriderman, but has anyone feared him purely based on his abilities like with mutants?

Also, since when did Infinity War not count as MCU. I guess you were to busy ranting to see that.

You're right. I'm not a comic historian and never made that claim. At this point in my life I'd hardly call myself a fan. That doesn't change the facts that a pocket universe in which non mutants were sent by a mutant happened in the comics and if done correctly could easily explain the current state of the movie verse. Especially if they plan on rebooting the the Xmen again.

I've never said anything about mutiverse mutant refugees and agree that would be poor writing.

You're smart enough to know that there is a difference between Wakanda and the other events you mentioned and a entire race not be brought up one time especially when ( to comic fans) a mutant was shown in the world. Fury could have all the secrets he wants, but there are very few ways to hid the existence of mutants from the general public.

You mentioned Captain Marvel being in the MCU and alot of people consider that a plot hole to the MCU, so the current MCU team is not perfect.
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unlike your other examples Infinity War maintained the core myth (while also working around unavailable properties)
They changed Thanos' motivation not his methods or goals
Galactus could easily be written as a destroyer of stars instead of planets, but would never work as a broken heart on quest to find his lost love across the galaxy

1. the box office totals say you are wrong - your examples are stories told over 3 movies not 22 movies and 10 years of revenue
None of your examples come close to bring in even 10% of MCU revenue
None of them are close to replicating the success and fan engagment Marvel found by just doing pure fantasy based on comic book stories
Batman trilogy vs Infinity War / Endgame - guess which one of these every studio head wishes he/she had and has been plotting to replicate?

2. I explained why mutants are treated differently - you just chose to ignore the explanation and allegory contained in your own examples - at the base: mutants are different, humans distrust and vilify those that are different from themselves
Avengers F4 etc are one offs accidents or visitors - the mutant population is an evolutionary threat of extinction for non mutant humans
similar irl to Trump supporters being terrified that they will soon be out numbered by brown people

3. JJJ has no problem with masked heros except Spiderman - and Spideys problems in NYC public perception is because he works mostly at night - Hangs upside down from web and sticks to walls and ceilings - and Peter keeps supplying endless photos to papers of him... in comparison celebrity masked heros seem very "normaL "

4. without context and established history via storytelling your idea of a pocket universe would come across as power ranger material- Onslaught couldn't exist as a good story w/o Secret Wars 2, Days of Future past, The Mutant Massacre, and Inferno
Without writing that respects the core myths the MCU just becomes half ass flops like Sony and Fox and maybe WB movies

5 Urban legends and myths still exist - writing in mutants will require more work and story development but at its core its no different than introducing Wakanda

6. Xmen were never done properly at Fox- the same minds that were groomed to accept Ivan Ooze as an Apocalypse stand in - would be ok with Xmen as refugees from a pocket universe or other timeline


Core fans of fantasy novels, comics anime etc are the evangelist that get good buzz going on these movies - they are also the ones that push repeated viewings - so yes its about them along with compelling story telling to grab the non fan
w/o both of those.... studios are not crossing a billion - HBO does not break records with Game of Thrones etc
 

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