6 years too late.
they said the same thing when apple came out with the Colorful iMacs and iTunes.
6 years too late.
good luck with that.
Help us out.. what is Windows 7 and Netbooks doing to Apple?
The macbook air is their netbook.Apple does't even have a Netbook (yet).
In the high end this is somewhat true but even those customers have both.microsoft and apple just have different customers
I'll give you the rush on PS3 for blue ray which is another example of Sony pushing the wrong technoloy but windows 7 can run on a netbook. I'm running 7 right now on athlon xp 1800(released 2001) with 512megs of ram.netbooks were more of a burden on microsoft since you couldnt run vista on them.. sony rushed out the ps3 due to the hd-dvd/blu ray war and microsoft rushed out windows 7 due to the netbook surge...
No, Windows 7 is a legitimate upgrade to XP, thus being a legitimate reason to upgrade the hardware which is cutting into Apple's Market and history is repeating it's self. lol.Wow. So now Windows 7 is a comparable alternative to Mac OS X? And cutting into Apple's Market? WOW... you guys have re-written history.
And when did i say or insinuate that i did? The point is neither has the average Mac buyer/owner. Those purchasing a Mac for high end professional use (whatever the fuck that is) are in the minority. The average Apple customer is buying that Mac for casual personal or business use. Apparently you dont even know my fucking argument. STFU!You obviously never used a computer for "high end" professional use. You're argument is about as asinine as GWCs arguing that a Hasselblad is just "for show".
amajorfucup said:Besides providing a comparable alternative at a 3rd of the price while cutting into their market (if only slightly at this point)? Nothing.
I also disagree with your comment on Apple catering to a highend market. Bullshit. They cater to those willing to follow whats envogue and the popular thing to do. The average Mac owner is not a high income earner by any stretch. Usually just some tool infatuated with its popularity or itunes and willing to pay a premium price for a average product.
not even. The upcoming (rumored) tablet will be their "netbook" but it could blow up the category like the ipod did for mp3 players, or the iphone did for smartphones- so I will say it will be apple's answer to the netbook.brace said:The macbook air is their netbook.
Sony can easily defeat itunes and they could have done it years ago. But they keep pushing the wrong technology. Remember minidisc and what they did to disable high speed downloads in the name of piracy. When itunes was adding movies sony was working on HOME for the PS3. Sony has been outclassed in areas that they actually control. Sony is a record company. Sony is a movie studio. Sony makes entainment products. What is stoppinig sony from developing a device that will combine the errickson, psp, and walkman? Sony is like a sleeping giant.
The sad part is that when they do finally get it right it will be the end of apple. It's only a matter of time.
Look at what windows 7 and the netbooks are already doing to apple.
Da fuck? I ain't no gamer...how they gonna relate that to folks that don't even know what a PSN/PS3/PSP is?
And when did i say or insinuate that i did? The point is neither has the average Mac buyer/owner. Those purchasing a Mac for high end professional use (whatever the fuck that is) are in the minority. The average Apple customer is buying that Mac for casual personal or business use. Apparently you dont even know my fucking argument. STFU!
good luck with that.
The macbook air is their netbook.
Nah bro. My "argument" was that netbooks and windows 7 appeal to those in the market for PC's as well as Mac's. I then used myself as an example. The catering to high end comment was just a comment i made to express my disagreement with jagi's statement to that effect. I admitted that their is a highend clientele there but that the "average" Mac owner, i.e. most owners, are not some highend individual (highend as in high income or financially wealthy/well off). I then told jagi that that the nebooks have had a (slight) effect on the Apple market. He disagreed.Your argument was that Mac doesn't cater to the high end market when in fact it does. Apple produces superior hardware and software, PERIOD. Superior = High End, underdig?
This is opinionated and non-substantiated commentary mixed in with horrendous analogies. You even admit you havent tried Windows 7. And if you dont think there are netbooks that can compare with the lowest end macbook, then you are pretty ignorant or far in denial. Its definately a comparable alternative. Didnt say they were as good or better. But a comparable alternative? Hell yes.While I don't have any experience with windows 7, I don't think that a netbook is a comparable alternative to even the lowest end macbook.. someone buying a netbook is primarily concerned with price and portability. Most people buying a macbook are concerned with ease of use, reliability and design asthetic. (imo). These are not the same market segment, and as such should not be compared. It would be like saying that my $1 double cheesburger is a comparable alternative to a steak, and that because it's one third the price and have sold millions of burgers, mcdonalds is cutting into the steakhouse's market.
Yes a significant percentage of Mac owners are sheep. Its a niche product and by definition thats gonna happen. And no i wont argue about your print production, editing layup etc.. I dont care about that. But you would be silly to think that even a significant fraction of mac owners are utilizing those capabilities. They are in the minority my man. Again, the average Mac owner aint doing all that shit. That 7% is a hodge podge or highend clientele, those using it for professional use, those merely wanting to appear cool (sheep), ipod/itune junkies. And guess what, most if not all of them own a windows machine.How do folks claim that mac users are sheep, when macs are what, 7% of the market? so the people using the other 93% aren't sheep?
I guess I don't know as much about the average mac owner as you do, but I do see ads that are directed to people who are concerned about the reliability and security of their machines and about using their machines creatively and intuitively- and you cannot argue the fact that the lions share of professional video/ audio editing and layout/ print production work is being done on macs.
Yea. I was riding with my man until he made that statement. That doesnt negate the other valid points he made though.NO.. it is not. A silly statement like this discredits your entire post.
Talk about your epic Fails. Pound for pound dollar for dollar im not sure i can think of one. I mean these guys are still pouring cash in trying to win over the consumer, who apparently doesnt give a fuck.Sony could be the end of optical media after all that money that they spent on Blu Ray
Talk about your epic Fails. Pound for pound dollar for dollar im not sure i can think of one. I mean these guys are still pouring cash in trying to win over the consumer, who apparently doesnt give a fuck.
and for every 1 person who buys a mac 100 others buy a windows based system and M$ gets a cut from every sale, but I think your confusing microsoft for a hardware manufactor, they only sell the software while hp, lenova, sony, and other hardware manufactors are the ones who are really competing with apple
I tried to let it go but you dragged me back in....NO.. it is not. A silly statement like this discredits your entire post.
The ipod and itunes beat the walkman because there was no high speed downloads and uploads on the minidisc. You had to download the song in real time through the USB. Sony eventually changed their tune but by then it was too late.The ipod beat the walkman because of ease of use and iTunes.
I agree with your statement but your comparing the wrong devices. For the portable market you would compare the walkman to the ipod. For the home market you would compare the PS3 to the Apple T.V.The PSP will never be a force in the portable music market. It's game machine and nobody buy's them to watch movies or listen to music exclusively.
I'm sure that the MP3 tie-in for the PSN will be Amazon which means ease of use plus you can already log into PSN from a computer. No need for a PSP/PS3.PSN is irrelevant to the MP3 market since the price of admission is a PS3or PSP.
Apple has clouds too. And it's better. Not sure where you were going with this.This cloud service thing is nice for Sony customers but it's not enough to choose a Sony product over it's competitors.
The debit incurred by Sony was not pushing Blu-Ray but the whole development behind the CELL processor. Teaming up with Samsung for the HD displays and sharing the cost of CELL with Toshiba was a good move.Sony needs to be figuring out how they are going to pay off debt incurred by pushing Blu-Ray
I'm just not part of the group that feels you should have to pay double to connect to the internet. That's why I have to wait till Thanksgiving to play MW2 on Xbox live...How will they make a profit longterm from PSN considering they don't charge customers.
I doubt 5 years from now Blu-ray will even be around which is the whole point of Sony taking on iTunes. Besides, who counts unearned income as revenue besides Enron. lolIf licensing fees from Blu-ray Movie sales don't meet projection in the next 5 yrs how will they make up that revenue.
Sony could be the end of optical media after all that money that they spent on Blu Ray
People actually buying into blu ray as the standard format. no check.less features on dvd releases. check
trade in deals for dvd to blu ray. check
packed in deals (dvd/blu ray/digital copy in same bundle). check
price drop on recordable blu ray drives. check
video game/movie bundles on blu ray. check.
company uses for storage medium. check.
the last known and recognized physical media to be a sony product. check
sony pictures offering free digital copies of their movies for use with sony products. check.
I'm just not part of the group that feels you should have to pay double to connect to the internet. That's why I have to wait till Thanksgiving to play MW2 on Xbox live...How will they make a profit longterm from PSN considering they don't charge customers.
People actually buying into blu ray as the standard format. no check.
Thats the only thing that matters.
Well that was more in reference to the netbook. Netbooks have provided another hardware option for those in the market to purchase lightweight computers.
Thats not true. Im proof of that. Im a constant purchaser of high end electronics and gadgets and was in the market for a mac. Netbooks have changed my mind completely. Obviously they havent taken a significant bite out of Apple's pie but to ignore the fact that they do indeed appeal to "high end" purchasers who may have been in the market for a Mac is flat out a lie. I can get a netbook and mid level Vaio for the same price i was gonna drop on that Mac.
And yes, while they do have different customers to a certain extent, the presence of the netbooks appeals to both.
EDIT: I also disagree with your comment on Apple catering to a highend market. Bullshit. They cater to those willing to follow whats envogue and the popular thing to do. The average Mac owner is not a high income earner by any stretch. Usually just some tool infatuated with its popularity or itunes and willing to pay a premium price for a average product.
I dont hate the blu-ray i just dont think it will ever have mass appeal. The consumer will never choice to support the device as they did other technological format transitions. For all intents and purposes its 2010. We're approaching 4years of high definition DVD yet there is no high consumer demand. And the share hasnt grown every quarter as you stated. In 2008 there was a slight regression before shares slightly increased. As of today they are still less then 10%. And absent a complete stoppage of DVD sales/manuacturing this isnt gonna change. Blu ray players are now comparable to price with DVD players. Guess what? People still have litle to any interest.not sure what your talking about, people are buying them. pretty soon there will be no choice as they will eventually stop making dvd's. every quarter the share is growing.
apple and netflix only provide the meat and potatoes.. extra features are not included in these services and are incomplete on blu ray..
i can only at the blu ray hate.. its pretty much the same as it was in the vhs days.. you remember how people made the switch to dvd? it wasnt only that it got cheaper.. they also stopped making vhs tape releases.. new movie you want out? cant get it on dvd no more, either download the DRM version or buy the blu ray (illegal content is not a part of this conversation we are talking about consumers)
Nah bro. My "argument" was that netbooks and windows 7 appeal to those in the market for PC's as well as Mac's. I then used myself as an example. The catering to high end comment was just a comment i made to express my disagreement with jagi's statement to that effect. I admitted that their is a highend clientele there but that the "average" Mac owner, i.e. most owners, are not some highend individual (highend as in high income or financially wealthy/well off). I then told jagi that that the nebooks have had a (slight) effect on the Apple market. He disagreed
Amajorfucup said:This is opinionated and non-substantiated commentary.... mixed in with horrendous analogies. You even admit you havent tried Windows 7. And if you dont think there are netbooks that can compare with the lowest end macbook, then you are pretty ignorant or far in denial. Its definately a comparable alternative. Didnt say they were as good or better. But a comparable alternative? Hell yes.
Amajorfucup said:Yes a significant percentage of Mac owners are sheep. Its a niche product and by definition thats gonna happen. And no i wont argue about your print production, editing layup etc.. I dont care about that. But you would be silly to think that even a significant fraction of mac owners are utilizing those capabilities. They are in the minority my man. Again, the average Mac owner aint doing all that shit. That 7% is a hodge podge or highend clientele, those using it for professional use, those merely wanting to appear cool (sheep), ipod/itune junkies. And guess what, most if not all of them own a windows machine.
vertigo the first time said:I guess I don't know as much about the average mac owner as you do
article brace linked to said:"When I ask around to friends and colleagues about why they bought a netbook, the answer was always the same: “It was small and cheap.” But when I ask them what they thought of it outside those two factors, I didn’t get much in the way of positive comments. Tiny screen, hard to type on, cheap-feeling hardware, and junkware were a few of the descriptions I heard. I thought perhaps this was due to the fact that most of these people weren’t terribly computer-savvy folks, but apparently it’s more widespread than that.
According to this report from The NPD Group, a leading market research firm, only 58 percent of consumers who bought a netbook said they were satisfied, while 65 percent said they expected the same performance as a regular laptop. Many were so unsatisfied that they returned them. How many? Intel’s Sean Maloney was quoted in this article as saying, “They [netbooks] had very high return rates, and a couple of these guys [retailers] had return rates in the 30 percent range, which is a disaster.” Three out of every 10 get returned? Yikes!"
brace said:My statement would be silly if it weren't for the fact that this topic has been an on going argument for the last YEAR. I didn't make this up myself and I'm on the side that believes Macbook Air is a netbook.
brace said:YOU CAN NOT SAY A COMPUTER IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT MACHINE WHEN THEY HAVE THE SAME CHIPSET.
Sure, macbook air has the top of the line chipset in the Intel 965 family. Sure macbook air has the top of the line in components. Sure macbook air has a lot of kool bells and whisles. Sure, Apple might have something cooking deep inside their labs in Cupertino....
SlimJones said:I am in no way an electronics buff. I know the companies who create them and the lines they create but don't know jack about their performance.
However I do know this: Microsoft has pc USERS and Apple has Mac ENTHUSIASTS. That translates into Microsoft aims at the person who needs something to function, while Apple aims at the market that needs something to perform.
If one considers themselves any type of "artist", a Mac is not the exception, it is the rule. That...that, I DO know.
[UPDATE] Kaz Hirai confirms premium level will be added on top of PS3 and PSP's online service
That isnt true and i disagree. But even if it were true how does that negate my overall point? It seems as if you're responding for the sake of responding at this point. What does this have to do with or how does it counter any points being made in this thread?? Do you even know what the discussion is about at this point? Netbooks appeal to both markets and the netbook has had an impact on Apples market. This is a fact. See the link i provided above for further proof.I'll say it again, less sarcastically this time; You have an awful lot nerve to be making these statements as though they were facts- and at the same time calling my opinions (which I stated were MY opinions) non substantiated commentary. the point I'm making is that netbooks compete at two points and two points only- PRICE and PORTABILITY.
depending on what the premiums are this could be very damaging, for sony. I think that when buyers are making a choice between xbox and ps3, the free to play online is a big selling point. I understand that the core service will still be free, but it'll end up like xbox live silver. Who really uses that?
I have both consoles, so it's not a big deal, I do however, usually buy online multiplayer games on the xbox, and sony has an uphill battle if they are going to change that. if I had neither and was trying to choose, this would be a huge selling point for me.
I dont hate the blu-ray i just dont think it will ever have mass appeal. The consumer will never choice to support the device as they did other technological format transitions. For all intents and purposes its 2010. We're approaching 4years of high definition DVD yet there is no high consumer demand. And the share hasnt grown every quarter as you stated. In 2008 there was a slight regression before shares slightly increased. As of today they are still less then 10%. And absent a complete stoppage of DVD sales/manuacturing this isnt gonna change. Blu ray players are now comparable to price with DVD players. Guess what? People still have litle to any interest.