So the guy leading the hard-line owners is His Royal Airness

[Lower9Nupe]

my bad.

There is none. Jordan and his click want a totally victory they have already got nearly everything else they wanted.

Give the players the split.

Jordan is saying fuck these guys. 50-50 is too good for them.

The players came down from 57 they want them at 47???

GTFOH. Now if the season is cancel and that is the offer on the table I see the players taking it but Good Lord can they at least give the players something??

DWade needs to holla at his boy

GTFOH? Let's be real. The owners will lose a TON OF MONEY. At the same time the players (if they haven't saved their money) will lose EVERYTHING. The fact is FEW of them know enough to outearn the average brotha walking off the street. They better take their millions, learn how to save that shit and live the good life....

 

[killa kadafi191]

GTFOH? Let's be real. The owners will lose a TON OF MONEY. At the same time the players (if they haven't saved their money) will lose EVERYTHING. The fact is FEW of them know enough to outearn the average brotha walking off the street. They better take their millions, learn how to save that shit and live the good life....

The owners who want this lockout don't care about losing a season.

The owners who do care are the ones pissed.

Mark Cuban, The Lakers, Heat and especially Dolan.

The small market don't care as Jared Dudley and Billy Hunter said they been preparing for this lockout for years.

In Dallas 2010 they said it was going to get to this point.

Jordan and the rest don't even want 50-50.

Now it's being revealed Jordan is pissed at Stern feeling 50-50 should be off the table right now.

Again Stern gave these guys the matches and it's about to burn

The owners will meet six hours before they meet with the players. The last time that happen Paul Allen was at the meeting telling the Union it ain't shit for him to miss a season.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

why should he??

He has become the same person he criticize during the 90's

why should any player come to charlotte MJ hasn't done shit

Not saying they should but those JB players shouldn't expect any favors from MJ either. MJ's money just as good as everybody elses. He's cleared out all the bad salaries and everyone can't play for LA/Miami/NY/Chicago so he has plenty of cap room to give a couple of franchise players a max deal depending on the salary cap. But he just got to hope he gets lucky like Oak City and get a Durant/Westbrook combo through the draft and build from there...

 

[Mo-Better]

Somebody explain why this doesn't surprise me.

 

[Les W]

why do people even still eff with this Jordan clown?

I mean he don't play no more... the only thing he was good for was hoopin... otherwise this guy is PROUD to be a complete dick...

Jordan/Steve Jobs/Jigga all wouldn't piss on their own mamma if she was on fire to put her out and people would sell they SOUL just to be them for a day

 

[mike123]

When you go from employee to employer interest change...

in other words some people are pieces of shit that show their true colors when the opportunity presents itself
people have been sayin mike is a dick for a while and maybe this confirms it

Exactly.

And you can tell from most of the responses on this board that most people here are employees, not employers!

50/50 is a HUGE concession by the players, the owners should jump on that deal, I'm kinda surprised that it ever got tilted so far towards the players to begin with!

i'll just assume that ur feel that way cause u really wanna see some basketball


in reality the owners only deserve 25-30%
its the fans money and the fans dont pay to see the owners
more often than not the tax payers pay for whatever new stadiums get built
who does all the trainin and ball playin?
and how much money should owners get for spending a small portion of their day makin a couple phone calls an signin a couple forms/contracts in a fancy offices

 

[cuznpete]

Herein lies the problem with the players.

They enjoy all of the assets/profits of playing in the NBA, but NONE has any idea of the liabilities!

MILLIONS, I repeat, MILLIONS would first have to be spent to first set up a league with a schedule, but first arenas would have to be leased/rented, advertising done (easy in the days of Twitter!) refs and how they would get paid, but most importantly, INSURANCE would have to be taken out on all arenas and (hopefully) on the players against injury.

There are SOOO many more liability issues in terms of insurance it would make the common man's head spin!

Players do NOT have any idea of what's involved in setting up and running a league!

Point taken, i wish it was easier i need some b-ball

 

[killa kadafi191]

Somebody explain why this doesn't surprise me.

 

[durham]

bet yall will still go out and spend $200 on a pair of shoes that cost $10 make in some overseas child labor sweatshop

Mike and Nike aint no different than Steve Jobs and the rest of wealthy America lol

 

[BLACKLOOP]

the players want to decertify..the owners dont want 50/50 split any more..hahahah don't u guys see the mind games going on here..Saturday is gonna be another bullshit ass day..nothing new coming out of this meeting

 

[killa kadafi191]

the players want to decertify..the owners dont want 50/50 split any more..hahahah don't u guys see the mind games going on here..Saturday is gonna be another bullshit ass day..nothing new coming out of this meeting

if that is the case the season is a wrap.

Jordan and his click feel they should take 50-50 off the table. Stern said if anymore games are cancel the owners next offer would reflect the games missed.

The players might take 50-50 since they already moved down so much but lowered than 50? No.

Players want to decertify look like the same problem in 95 is here too. Majority of players fear the unknown and they are not sure what decertification will lead to

 

[Djmarkxr7]

in other words some people are pieces of shit that show their true colors when the opportunity presents itself
people have been sayin mike is a dick for a while and maybe this confirms it







i'll just assume that ur feel that way cause u really wanna see some basketball


in reality the owners only deserve 25-30%
its the fans money and the fans dont pay to see the owners
more often than not the tax payers pay for whatever new stadiums get built
who does all the trainin and ball playin?
and how much money should owners get for spending a small portion of their day makin a couple phone calls an signin a couple forms/contracts in a fancy offices

Just what exactly do the players spend to make basketball happen???

Just what liabilities do the players take on in terms of money???

Do they pay employees, staff, refs, maintenance???

Do they pay ANY insurance?

If there were no NBA, what would half of these guys be doing?

If basketball players didn't have guaranteed contracts I could agree with you.

Oh, and since it's playing for a team that makes these players famous and since the owners do give them a share of the profits, do the players reciprocate and give the same percentage back to the owners when they sign their own deals with McDonald's?

Adidas?

Nike?

 

[xcluesiv]

basically...but still....

___________________________

your sig is crazy

 

[jasonblacc]

When you go from employee to employer interest change...

C/S If I was Jordan I'd put my hand on their throat as well. I'd be like not one of the big three considered Charlotte, so fuck them? Chris Paul the "hometown" kid is trying to use me as a bargaining chip. Melo my employee through other ventures never considered charlotte either so fuck them.

pretty much

im 100% sure I could have been a better GM

 

[caboverd]

Jordan is the INSIDE MAN for the owners.

He was ALWAYS had in business in order. Most of his career he didn't need the money from his contract due to his outside interests. His last couple of years with the Bulls he made over $60M. He never had anything in common with the average player and wouldn't care for their concerns now.

 

[killa kadafi191]

 

[Nemesis Prime]

I'm beginning to think this is a ploy to scare to players into to accepting the 50/50 split. Owners are leaking MJ's name as the leader of the group of owners that will vote down the 50/50 deal as one last attempt to get the players to bite...

 

[BGLR1212000]

Plain and simple the league needs to kick at least 3 or 4 of those shitty small market teams outta the league. Why hurt the entire league for these teams nobody gives two shits about?

 

[D-TOWN REP]

C/S If I was Jordan I'd put my hand on their throat as well. I'd be like not one of the big three considered Charlotte, so fuck them? Chris Paul the "hometown" kid is trying to use me as a bargaining chip. Melo my employee through other ventures never considered charlotte either so fuck them.

I dont blame his ass either no big names are rushing to play for him even though he is the G.O.A.T. so fuck em

look at those moves he made(especailly with the Wizards) and check my post history since I been here

you telling me you couldn't have done at least that?

he was on Matt Millen status with the GM moves

all the player moves he has made up until recently SUCKED

 

[ifuno]

mike would stab his kids on live tv if he thought it benefited him

 

[Damn Right]

mike would stab his kids on live tv if he thought it benefited him

you do what's in your best interest every day. why should it be any different for jordan?

 

[twillz1]

Exactly.

And you can tell from most of the responses on this board that most people here are employees, not employers!

50/50 is a HUGE concession by the players, the owners should jump on that deal, I'm kinda surprised that it ever got tilted so far towards the players to begin with!

We're talking BRI here. Doesn't the majority of the Basketball Related Income come from jersey sales and memorabilia? That, to me, is a player-driven profit. Why shouldn't they get the lion's share?

 

[horacio]

Hey sheep negros, stop reading this sensationalist bullshit and taking it as truth.

That old sources say shit is the biggest crock in journalism.

This shit makes no sense..

Rich white men letting the newest owner lead them sounds bullshit enough, but they're following the newest owner who is also black now?



You guys are dumb shits.

 

[twillz1]

Hey sheep negros, stop reading this sensationalist bullshit and taking it as truth.

That old sources say shit is the biggest crock in journalism.

This shit makes no sense..

Rich white men letting the newest owner lead them sounds bullshit enough, but they're following the newest owner who is also black now?



You guys are dumb shits.

Let's look at this another way:
MJ gets placed in front of this money-grabbing movement. If it works, the owners get what they want. If it fails, and ends up looking like it's the white billionaires vs the black millionaires, the owners simply point to Mike. It's a 'win-win' for them.
It reminds me of the closet racist who always says that some of his best friends are 'colored'.

 

[BigATLslim]

Sounds like Mike is just being, well......himself.

 

[killa kadafi191]

Hey sheep negros, stop reading this sensationalist bullshit and taking it as truth.

That old sources say shit is the biggest crock in journalism.

This shit makes no sense..

Rich white men letting the newest owner lead them sounds bullshit enough, but they're following the newest owner who is also black now?



You guys are dumb shits.

not paying attention to what's been happening okay MJ comments months back saying the league needs a hard cap

Jordan, majority owner and operations boss for the Charlotte Bobcats, is banned from elaborating on the rift between owners and players that threatens to destroy the upcoming season.

But he insists small-market teams, such as the Bobcats and Bogut's Bucks, will never be able to compete while the system allows clubs such as the Miami Heat to effectively pounce on free agents with blank cheques.

"The model we've been operating under is broken. We have 22 or 23 teams losing money, (so) I think we have gotta come to some kind of understanding in this partnership that we have to realign," Jordan said.



"I can't say so much ... but I know the owners are not going to move off what we feel is very necessary for us to get a deal in place where we can co-exist as partners. We need a lot of financial support throughout the league as well as revenue sharing to keep this business afloat.

"We have stars like Bogut who are entitled to certain type of demands. But for us to be profitable in small markets, we have to be able to win ballgames and build a better basketball team."

Jordan said small-market teams would benefit greatly from a "hard" salary cap, and it would allow clubs such as Milwaukee to plan a future on key players including the Australian centre.

"Bogut is a good piece to build around for Milwaukee," Jordan said.

since then it's been known Jordan was in favor for a hard cap. Also the newest owner.

Do you know how many new owners are in the NBA??

These guys had the Wizards Owner telling them what to do before. He came in after Jordan. Again it's the new owners that David Stern promise the world to kicking up shit

 

[RoomService]

C/S If I was Jordan I'd put my hand on their throat as well. I'd be like not one of the big three considered Charlotte, so fuck them? Chris Paul the "hometown" kid is trying to use me as a bargaining chip. Melo my employee through other ventures never considered charlotte either so fuck them.

how much will this hurt his Brand

 

[mike123]

Just what exactly do the players spend to make basketball happen???

Just what liabilities do the players take on in terms of money???

Do they pay employees, staff, refs, maintenance???

Do they pay ANY insurance?

If there were no NBA, what would half of these guys be doing?

If basketball players didn't have guaranteed contracts I could agree with you.

Oh, and since it's playing for a team that makes these players famous and since the owners do give them a share of the profits, do the players reciprocate and give the same percentage back to the owners when they sign their own deals with McDonald's?

Adidas?

Nike?

fans and tax payers cover most if not all the expenses
the owners get their insurance money back when they file their taxes
liabilities
only thing them owners ( atleast the smart ones ) put on the line is there rep
at most some throw away money. how many owners go broke cause their team sucks
if there was no basketball all the athletes would go to other sports and the non athletes would get other jobs whats ur point
the players make the teams famous not the other way around
it not like the fans will pay to see any fucker in a jersey dunk a ball

 

[killa kadafi191]

how much will this hurt his Brand

not much I mean CP3 is part of the NBPA and he is still advertising for the guy trying to fuck him over.

Same with D Wade and Melo.

If anything he might have to draft his own superstar knowing mike he will fuck it up

 

[Djmarkxr7]

fans and tax payers cover most if not all the expenses
the owners get their insurance money back when they file their taxes
liabilities
only thing them owners ( atleast the smart ones ) put on the line is there rep
at most some throw away money. how many owners go broke cause their team sucks
if there was no basketball all the athletes would go to other sports and the non athletes would get other jobs whats ur point
the players make the teams famous not the other way around
it not like the fans will pay to see any fucker in a jersey dunk a ball

Not taking anything away from the players but it is a mutually benefitting relationship.

Players come and go, the league is the business, NOT the players.

Hard as it is to think it there will always be another Kareem, another Magic, another Kobe, but only one Lakers team.

And yes, most fans DO pay to see "any fucker in a jersey" dunk the ball, while the league is definitely superstar driven the majority of players are just role players, why do you think college bball does so well?!?

The owners are the ones with the capital investment, and while the caliber of players they get DO directly determine what their bottom line is, the owners splitting the BRI profits with their "employees" (and that's all they are @ the end of the day) anything less than 50/50 just doesn't make good business sense.

If YOU took your money and opened a restaurant and you contract a world class chef to cook for you and the restaurant does well, would you then give the chef not only his contracted money but 70% of YOUR profits selling T-shirts and mugs with the restaurant name on them as well?

It's the same thing.

And as I asked earlier, when the players sign their side deals with Nike, Adidas or Gatorade, do they then share that money with the owners?

 

[Spectrum]

Not taking anything away from the players but it is a mutually benefitting relationship.

Players come and go, the league is the business, NOT the players.

Hard as it is to think it there will always be another Kareem, another Magic, another Kobe, but only one Lakers team.

And yes, most fans DO pay to see "any fucker in a jersey" dunk the ball, while the league is definitely superstar driven the majority of players are just role players, why do you think college bball does so well?!?

The owners are the ones with the capital investment, and while the caliber of players they get DO directly determine what their bottom line is, the owners splitting the BRI profits with their "employees" (and that's all they are @ the end of the day) anything less than 50/50 just doesn't make good business sense.

If YOU took your money and opened a restaurant and you contract a world class chef to cook for you and the restaurant does well, would you then give the chef not only his contracted money but 70% of YOUR profits selling T-shirts and mugs with the restaurant name on them as well?

It's the same thing.

And as I asked earlier, when the players sign their side deals with Nike, Adidas or Gatorade, do they then share that money with the owners?

This guy gets it. And he is not being pro-owner or anti-player. It just makes the most sense for the overall health of the league.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

We're talking BRI here. Doesn't the majority of the Basketball Related Income come from jersey sales and memorabilia? That, to me, is a player-driven profit. Why shouldn't they get the lion's share?

In theory you are 100% correct however, it's the new owners that are getting squeezed out, this is why Jordan, as a new small market owner, is @ the forefront of the hard-liners that want the lions share.

While I don't think that it should go less than 50/50, small market teams just don't make the money of the big market teams in terms of revenue, worse, they to a large extent, can't hold on to top quality superstars when they get them.

Everybody here keeps whining about not enough Black owners in sports but peeps need to realize that traditionally owning a sports franchise was much more of a bragging rights/prestige/trophy purchase type of thing for owners, profits were secondary to winning, however when TV became involved franchise values across the board shot thru the roof, this is why older owners didn't really care about BRI profits, they'd already made their money back tenfold.

New owners (read: Jordan) are on the other side of this and have to seek their profits elsewhere, other than that it's a loss for them.

Who goes into ANY business venture to lose money?

Nobody.

 

[SickMyDuck]

Just when the Knicks thought they had a bright future, Jordan fucks them again

 

[Nemesis Prime]

Bri...

13. What is included in basketball related income (bri)?

Basketball related income (bri) essentially includes any income received by the nba, nba properties or nba media ventures. This includes:

Regular season gate receipts
broadcast rights
exhibition game proceeds
playoff gate receipts
novelty, program and concession sales (at the arena and in team-identified stores within proximity of an nba arena)
parking
proceeds from team sponsorships
proceeds from team promotions
arena club revenues
proceeds from summer camps
proceeds from non-nba basketball tournaments
proceeds from mascot and dance team appearances
proceeds from beverage sale rights
40% of proceeds from arena signage
40% of proceeds from luxury suites
45% - 50% of proceeds from arena naming rights
proceeds from other premium seat licenses
proceeds received by nba properties, including international television, sponsorships, revenues from nba entertainment, the all-star game, the mcdonald's championship and other nba special events.

 

[MadWun]

Bri...

A shitload of fucking money that BRI is.

Gat damn!!!

13. What is included in basketball related income (bri)?

Basketball related income (bri) essentially includes any income received by the nba, nba properties or nba media ventures. This includes:

Regular season gate receipts
broadcast rights
exhibition game proceeds
playoff gate receipts
novelty, program and concession sales (at the arena and in team-identified stores within proximity of an nba arena)
parking
proceeds from team sponsorships
proceeds from team promotions
arena club revenues
proceeds from summer camps
proceeds from non-nba basketball tournaments
proceeds from mascot and dance team appearances
proceeds from beverage sale rights
40% of proceeds from arena signage
40% of proceeds from luxury suites
45% - 50% of proceeds from arena naming rights
proceeds from other premium seat licenses
proceeds received by nba properties, including international television, sponsorships, revenues from nba entertainment, the all-star game, the mcdonald's championship and other nba special events.