Scalia: Affirmative Action Sends Blacks To Schools Too Advanced For Them

The inferiority complex is so prevalent in that group of people (white) that they made sure unqualified undeserved white people were allowed into schools they had no business attending over black kids who were overqualified. It was so bad that LAWS HAD TO BE MADE to include kids that should have been in the school in the FIRST PLACE

this is how sick the people in charge of "educating" "Equally" our kids are.

The LAW had to tell them to let smart black kids in.

Too advanced for us? No, not too advanced, really beneath us but we like to play your game and beat you at it. Your tears are the perfect refreshment on a hot day.
Tastes as good as cider in the winter time.
 
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Apparently you're playing the silly game right now. Most everyone knows that A&T and A&M, although not in the formal articulation of their names, are interchangeable suffixes.
A&T = Agricultural and Technical
A&M = Agricultural and Mechanical

6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

They are both the same type of university in so much as their early core curriculums and genesis.
Anyway, you've again failed to show me ANY school in the Top-100 with A&T (or A&M) in its name.

Please place [HERE]

K thx buh bye.
The saddest dummy is the one too dumb to know or admit he doesnt know shit. I wont waste the bandwidth with a response... The subsequent replies from others to your horseshit have more than done the job. You've now been exposed as ignorant, uninformed, hypocritical, and an outright liar. Keep digging tho.

You sir, are a blissful fool.
 
I did a year at CW Post, a small private college in NY with a great pre-med program, but after a year I figured this wasn't the direction I wanted to go in my life.
I took a year off from college and worked. Applied and re-matriculated at NYU for undergrad.
Worked for 2 years, then applied for my Masters Program at Georgetown.


My sister has had several teaching positions throughout her career spanning Primary education through College level coursework, but is not teaching full-time at the moment.
She's a Program Director working for an Educational Policy think tank in D.C. and instructs a course on something (I forget) as an adjunct / visiting professor at the University of Maryland and George Washington University from time to time.

Thanks for your input. You can put it in the corner with the other opinions.

But I'll tell you this. My Sister's work and papers have done more to advance the creation and use of charter schools in underserved minority areas and assist in increasing the academic rigor of 'black schools', therein making more black students TRULY college ready than probably any effort on any day that you have walked this earth.

You sound like another chuffing mouth from the sidelines who complains but does nothing to help.




Say your goodbyes.
http://www.bgol.us/forum/index.php?threads/the-death-of-the-poster-named-nibbs-rip-mofo.875244/
Let's top responding to this white dude.

Energy vampire
 
Thanks for your input. You can put it in the corner with the other opinions.

But I'll tell you this. My Sister's work and papers have done more to advance the creation and use of charter schools in underserved minority areas and assist in increasing the academic rigor of 'black schools', therein making more black students TRULY college ready than probably any effort on any day that you have walked this earth.

You sound like another chuffing mouth from the sidelines who complains but does nothing to help.


Does Elaine Weiss know you're talking about her and faking being Black on a Black message board?
 
Why are banks constantly getting sued for outrageous interest rate loans made to black customers with similar credit histories?

There is definitely negative affirmative action with other things where everything is equal your skin color is used.
 
Mindy Kaling's Brother Says He Pretended To Be Black To Get Into Med School but only proved that he was unqualified as an Asian man, he got in but he could not keep up with the other Black students now trying to write a book on his experience ..........SMH
 
Okay, so let's take our athletes back to HBCUs.

That would be a FANTASTIC idea.
Let's see how the ACC/ SEC / Big-Ten / SWAC / Big East fare with no black athletes and thus declining atheltic program revenues from TV , merchandising, and licensing.
HBCUs would be flush with cash.
 
http://madamenoire.com/603775/dear-abby-fisher-i-didnt-get-into-ut-either-and-im-not-suing-anybody/

DEAR ABIGAIL FISHER, I DIDN’T GET INTO UT EITHER–BUT I’M NOT SUING ANYBODY


I’m sure you’ve heard of Abigail Fisher. And if you have, I’m sure you’re tired of hearing about her. She’s like the cricket in the house who just won’t get the f–k out already.

Fisher is the young woman with the ongoing discrimination lawsuit against The University of Texas at Austin, which she filed in 2008. She claimed that she was denied admission to the elite university, and was passed over while UT accepted other students based on their race. Students she deemed less qualified. As part of theadmissions process, the University applies both an Academic Index, which focuses on the grades, activities and essays of a student, as well as a Personal Achievement Index, which considers the family background, socioeconomic status, and yes, race.

Fisher once said, “There were people in my class with lower grades who weren’t in all the activities I was in, who were being accepted into UT, and the only difference between us was the color of our skin.”

What activities was she in you ask? Well, the orchestra. She was “an accomplished cellist” according to CNN, who was president of her high school orchestra. And Fisher volunteered at a nursing home and with Habitat for Humanity.

Her GPA was reportedly 3.59, putting her in the top 12 percent of her class while her SAT was an 1180 according to the Dallas Observer. There has been no discussion of whether or not her GPA was a weighted one due to AP courses.

Fisher believed that it was the increase in the admission of people of color who she assumed didn’t do as much and didn’t have the same grades as her that held her back. And that is why she has been fighting to win her case since 2008, despite losing twice. She kept appealing, and the Supreme Court is presiding over her case yet again, with arguments having started this week. If she were to finally win her case, Fisher would get her $100 application fee back–and possibly be the catalyst for the end of the use of affirmative action in college admissions…

But I really need her to let that hurt go. And I know it’s hard. Her father went to the school, her sister did as well. And as she said in a video released by her lawyers, “I dreamt of going to UT ever since the second grade.” But she didn’t get in, and that s–t happened more than seven years ago. Plenty of people, some more qualified than Fisher, are rejected from universities for a myriad of reasons every year, and they don’t cry about it, let alone sue anybody. They recognize that they may not have had what it takes for that particular institution and realize that it wasn’t the place for them after all. Trust me, I know.

I applied to the University of Texas at Austin years before Fisher did. As you already know, I’m from Illinois, but my mother was born and raised in Austin. All my relatives from my mother’s side lived down there and in Houston as well as Dallas. And while none of them went to UT, I wanted to go. Interested in magazine journalism, UT’s communications program is a pretty stellar one. I had already made up a dream plan of getting in, staying in my grandmother’s home in Austin, and driving to my classes from her home. I imagined what it would be like to check out campus parties and athletic events, and what it would be like to say that I graduated from UT when all my hard work was done.

But I didn’t get in. Despite having a GPA of more than a 4.0 (and I had taken a few AP courses, including AP English and History), graduating as the 11th student out of 250, being involved in an array of activities, including being on the board for my school’s chapter of the National Honor Society, playing volleyball (all-area, all-state honorable mention), basketball (Varsity by my sophomore year), being on prom court junior year and all that fancy jazz you put in essays and on applications, I was sent a letter of rejection. I was reminded, via my rejection letter, that UT’s Top 10 Law shows favoritism to Texas students, allowing anyone within the top 10percent of their class at a Texas high school to be admitted. The year Fisher applied, 92 percent of the incoming freshman class were brought in by that law, leaving the last eight percent to be picked in an extraordinarily competitive fashion. Considering that she was in the top 12 percent, that’s most likely why she was rejected.

The year I was rejected I could have cried and fussed and sued about the Top 10 Law. And I could have cried and fussed and made up a bogus lawsuit when I was rejected from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill too. But I’m Black. I don’t have the privilege to do all that unnecessary and expensive s–t. So instead, I unpacked all my hopes and plans about attending both schools, accepted that I’d lost about $200 in application fees, sucked it up and carried on.

I had also applied to the University of Maryland at College Park around the same time, as well as Indiana University and the University of Missouri at Columbia and got into all three. After doing campus visits and looking over financial aid packages, I chose Mizzou. Yes, that Mizzou. I was one of the six percent of Black people on that entire lily White campus. And I don’t know if me being Black had a great deal to do with my admission (you know, diversity), but I know I excelled greatly at the University. I made the most of my opportunity at the first and No. 1 journalism program in the world, even through the early rumblings of racial discord on campus (i.e., the cotton balls strewn in front of the Black Culture Center), even restarting a publication for Black students on campus. I moved on from UT because I had no choice, and by doing so, I was able to do greater things.

I also moved on because I realized that my inadequacies had nothing to do with who was admitted over me and why. I knew that my ACT score wasn’t as high as it could have been (thanks a lot, math!). I knew I could have done more volunteer work. I knew that my high school was not a respected institution due to low test scores and had been told by faculty numerous times that our diplomas “would mean nothing.” While I knew that I was a top-tier student, there were certain things I hadn’t done, and some things I had no control over, that didn’t show UT or UNC that I truly was one.

And that’s Fisher’s problem. She’s embarrassed that she didn’t follow in her family’s footsteps, and so she’s blaming students of color for why she didn’t get in, and would be okay with keeping future students of color from being able to attend UT and other institutions of higher learning. All that instead of just owning the fact that she was just an okay student with an okay GPA, okay SAT score, and okay activities record. She was hoping the Top 10 Law, which is a form of affirmative action, would allow her to measle her way into the school (but she was top 12 percent and didn’t really stand out). When it didn’t, she turned on the racial aspect of the Personal Achievement Index.

Instead of unpacking that reality about her shortcomings, she packed up her privilege, went ahead and sued the school. All while still managing to go to and graduate from another great university (Lousiana State University), and get a great job as a financial analyst that has an average median annual salary of $76,950 (she probably started at around $60k) at 25 years old. There are Black folks out here still looking for jobs after graduating. And yet, she’s still complaining:

“The only thing I missed out on was my post-graduation years. Just being in a network of U.T. graduates would have been a really nice thing to be in. And I probably would have gotten a better job offer had I gone to U.T.”

All assumptions. Her case from start to finish and her mentality now is based on assumptions. And that’s what makes me cringe. This whole thing reeks of privilege. One White woman doesn’t get into the university of her dreams and life as we know it has to change because she’s shedding White tears. Affirmative action used to help students who aren’t given the same advantages as their counterparts, who have been educated in underperforming and underfunded schools, affirmative action that White women have benefited from most, has to go. The highest court in the land has to hear her case again and again. And we have to see her face and hear her story again and again–all over a discrimination, she didn’t face.
 
http://madamenoire.com/603775/dear-abby-fisher-i-didnt-get-into-ut-either-and-im-not-suing-anybody/

DEAR ABIGAIL FISHER, I DIDN’T GET INTO UT EITHER–BUT I’M NOT SUING ANYBODY


I’m sure you’ve heard of Abigail Fisher. And if you have, I’m sure you’re tired of hearing about her. She’s like the cricket in the house who just won’t get the f–k out already.

Fisher is the young woman with the ongoing discrimination lawsuit against The University of Texas at Austin, which she filed in 2008. She claimed that she was denied admission to the elite university, and was passed over while UT accepted other students based on their race. Students she deemed less qualified. As part of theadmissions process, the University applies both an Academic Index, which focuses on the grades, activities and essays of a student, as well as a Personal Achievement Index, which considers the family background, socioeconomic status, and yes, race.

Fisher once said, “There were people in my class with lower grades who weren’t in all the activities I was in, who were being accepted into UT, and the only difference between us was the color of our skin.”

What activities was she in you ask? Well, the orchestra. She was “an accomplished cellist” according to CNN, who was president of her high school orchestra. And Fisher volunteered at a nursing home and with Habitat for Humanity.

Her GPA was reportedly 3.59, putting her in the top 12 percent of her class while her SAT was an 1180 according to the Dallas Observer. There has been no discussion of whether or not her GPA was a weighted one due to AP courses.

Fisher believed that it was the increase in the admission of people of color who she assumed didn’t do as much and didn’t have the same grades as her that held her back. And that is why she has been fighting to win her case since 2008, despite losing twice. She kept appealing, and the Supreme Court is presiding over her case yet again, with arguments having started this week. If she were to finally win her case, Fisher would get her $100 application fee back–and possibly be the catalyst for the end of the use of affirmative action in college admissions…

But I really need her to let that hurt go. And I know it’s hard. Her father went to the school, her sister did as well. And as she said in a video released by her lawyers, “I dreamt of going to UT ever since the second grade.” But she didn’t get in, and that s–t happened more than seven years ago. Plenty of people, some more qualified than Fisher, are rejected from universities for a myriad of reasons every year, and they don’t cry about it, let alone sue anybody. They recognize that they may not have had what it takes for that particular institution and realize that it wasn’t the place for them after all. Trust me, I know.

I applied to the University of Texas at Austin years before Fisher did. As you already know, I’m from Illinois, but my mother was born and raised in Austin. All my relatives from my mother’s side lived down there and in Houston as well as Dallas. And while none of them went to UT, I wanted to go. Interested in magazine journalism, UT’s communications program is a pretty stellar one. I had already made up a dream plan of getting in, staying in my grandmother’s home in Austin, and driving to my classes from her home. I imagined what it would be like to check out campus parties and athletic events, and what it would be like to say that I graduated from UT when all my hard work was done.

But I didn’t get in. Despite having a GPA of more than a 4.0 (and I had taken a few AP courses, including AP English and History), graduating as the 11th student out of 250, being involved in an array of activities, including being on the board for my school’s chapter of the National Honor Society, playing volleyball (all-area, all-state honorable mention), basketball (Varsity by my sophomore year), being on prom court junior year and all that fancy jazz you put in essays and on applications, I was sent a letter of rejection. I was reminded, via my rejection letter, that UT’s Top 10 Law shows favoritism to Texas students, allowing anyone within the top 10percent of their class at a Texas high school to be admitted. The year Fisher applied, 92 percent of the incoming freshman class were brought in by that law, leaving the last eight percent to be picked in an extraordinarily competitive fashion. Considering that she was in the top 12 percent, that’s most likely why she was rejected.

The year I was rejected I could have cried and fussed and sued about the Top 10 Law. And I could have cried and fussed and made up a bogus lawsuit when I was rejected from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill too. But I’m Black. I don’t have the privilege to do all that unnecessary and expensive s–t. So instead, I unpacked all my hopes and plans about attending both schools, accepted that I’d lost about $200 in application fees, sucked it up and carried on.

I had also applied to the University of Maryland at College Park around the same time, as well as Indiana University and the University of Missouri at Columbia and got into all three. After doing campus visits and looking over financial aid packages, I chose Mizzou. Yes, that Mizzou. I was one of the six percent of Black people on that entire lily White campus. And I don’t know if me being Black had a great deal to do with my admission (you know, diversity), but I know I excelled greatly at the University. I made the most of my opportunity at the first and No. 1 journalism program in the world, even through the early rumblings of racial discord on campus (i.e., the cotton balls strewn in front of the Black Culture Center), even restarting a publication for Black students on campus. I moved on from UT because I had no choice, and by doing so, I was able to do greater things.

I also moved on because I realized that my inadequacies had nothing to do with who was admitted over me and why. I knew that my ACT score wasn’t as high as it could have been (thanks a lot, math!). I knew I could have done more volunteer work. I knew that my high school was not a respected institution due to low test scores and had been told by faculty numerous times that our diplomas “would mean nothing.” While I knew that I was a top-tier student, there were certain things I hadn’t done, and some things I had no control over, that didn’t show UT or UNC that I truly was one.

And that’s Fisher’s problem. She’s embarrassed that she didn’t follow in her family’s footsteps, and so she’s blaming students of color for why she didn’t get in, and would be okay with keeping future students of color from being able to attend UT and other institutions of higher learning. All that instead of just owning the fact that she was just an okay student with an okay GPA, okay SAT score, and okay activities record. She was hoping the Top 10 Law, which is a form of affirmative action, would allow her to measle her way into the school (but she was top 12 percent and didn’t really stand out). When it didn’t, she turned on the racial aspect of the Personal Achievement Index.

Instead of unpacking that reality about her shortcomings, she packed up her privilege, went ahead and sued the school. All while still managing to go to and graduate from another great university (Lousiana State University), and get a great job as a financial analyst that has an average median annual salary of $76,950 (she probably started at around $60k) at 25 years old. There are Black folks out here still looking for jobs after graduating. And yet, she’s still complaining:

“The only thing I missed out on was my post-graduation years. Just being in a network of U.T. graduates would have been a really nice thing to be in. And I probably would have gotten a better job offer had I gone to U.T.”

All assumptions. Her case from start to finish and her mentality now is based on assumptions. And that’s what makes me cringe. This whole thing reeks of privilege. One White woman doesn’t get into the university of her dreams and life as we know it has to change because she’s shedding White tears. Affirmative action used to help students who aren’t given the same advantages as their counterparts, who have been educated in underperforming and underfunded schools, affirmative action that White women have benefited from most, has to go. The highest court in the land has to hear her case again and again. And we have to see her face and hear her story again and again–all over a discrimination, she didn’t face.
 
NCAT at #1? Until I see otherwise, I'm going to have to disagree.
Fisk, Morehouse, Hampton, Howard, Spelman, and Tuskegee have almost always traded positions for the Top 5.
The key word is "public". All the other schools you mentioned are private. Overall it ranks around 9th in HBCUs. Especially known for their school of Engineering. Which is not the "lower academic standard" of HBCUs.
 
The key word is "public". All the other schools you mentioned are private. Overall it ranks around 9th in HBCUs. Especially known for their school of Engineering. Which is not the "lower academic standard" of HBCUs.

Gotcha.
If they were only isolating on Public, then yes, it would be among the top given the number of truly Publicly funded HBCUs is on the decline.
FAMU, Bowie St., NCAT, Langston, Central State Ohio, and Elizabeth City are the only ones that come top of mind. I'm sure there are more though.
 
So explain Barack Obama.

Don't know if you are asking me this or just asking in general, however as a milestone point remember Obama did not start his collegiate matriculation in the Ivy Leagues.

He went to Occidental College, rather objectively a less rigorous college, for 3 years before transferring to Columbia University wherein he spent another 2 years getting his BA/BS in PolySci.

This does not confirm Scalia's assumptions although Obama ended up as our POTUS. I'm sure Scalia's soul is burning since Obama has now stacked the SCOTUS deck with two new liberal SC Judges - both women - one a minority and the other a lesbian.


Scalia probably goes back to his chambers and smashed his fat ole cannoli eating head into his wonderful taxpayer paid desk after each session.
 
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I'm reminded of commentary from Gus T. Renegade of the C.O.W.S. and Mr. Neely Fuller Jr. bashing and squabbling about black people:



'This should serve as a lesson. You can come out and bash black people, talk about how dumb, stupid and ignorant we are and we just need to get our act together and if we weren't so cowardice or stupid or whatever else. At the end of the day, you can do that and you might get a few nuggets of cornbread or "chitlins" from white people. We're still in a system of white supremacy. As long as you are non-white and have a high melanin content, that hammer come back on you real quick. It is astounding how quickly once white people decide that "We're done! You've filled whatever agenda that we had at that time. We're done and we're ready to go back to treating you like a regular old n*gger", MAN! THAT HAMMER CAN COME DOWN HARD!' - Gus T. Renegade



"What is your solution? All you have to ask is what is that person going to do? Just one question. Not a whole lot of questions and a whole lot of shouting matches . . . You've made your assessment, what are you going to do? What do you recommend that everybody does or somebody does? What's your recommendation? The doing part, not the assessment. The doing part."

"I wouldn't spend ten seconds trying to disprove supposed Black inferiority." - Mr. Neely Fuller Jr.


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I've seen it in school. I've seen in the military. I've seen it when I worked a 9 to 5. That hammer is no joke. Just be mindful.

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Arguments for and against. HIs statements are sweeping but not entirely without merit or untrue.

My Sister is an educator at an elite institution and often sees what happens when minority students from underperforming or less academically rigorous schools who gained A's and such mostly because lower standards were at these school, or whose teachers began prepping the standard rounds of admittance tests very early on giving them a false diagnostic, and are in turn admitted under minority target goals set by the University administration who for the best of reasons were trying to ensure heterogeneity in the student body.

A statistically significant number - not all - but a % that is much higher than their non-minority counterparts end up having to spend the 1st academic year in remedial college courses ... mostly in Math and the Language & Communication arts (English, grammar, sentence structure, how to write a paper and cite, etc.). Then comes the mental challenge itself of the highly rigorous coursework.

Many struggle for years until they get up to speed. Some will drop out realizing they were not properly equipped and head to a less challenging university. Some will become completely crushed and leave school not returning because they know they didn't have the "smarts" to hack that level of work and were basically being lied to by their teachers and charter schools.

It is a dicey thing Affirmative Action. I personally would still rather have it in place and not need it, then to need it and not have it.

You would have a point IF this ONLY happened to minority students but this is not the case. ANY student that gets into an institute of higher learning from a less rigorous high school struggles. This is not unique to minorities. To position it as being so is a Red Herring.
 
You would have a point IF this ONLY happened to minority students but this is not the case. ANY student that gets into an institute of higher learning from a less rigorous high school struggles. This is not unique to minorities. To position it as being so is a Red Herring.

Which is why I said they were sweeping statements. Only on the aggregate basis is there some truth, but on the individual basis - looking at each AA on a case by case standard , the platform he stands on falls apart rather quickly.

His statement, as an analogy, is like the difference between watching the post game highlights vs. watching the entire game then making an assessment of both team's performance.

It's a fairly shallow depth of field problem which I personally find troubling for someone who sits on a seat in the highest court in the United States. Scalia has made some statements I can agree with in the past regarding the Constitution and arguments on other business case issues that reach the SCOTUS, but on this one, his public statement raises a question if SCOTUS judges should not in fact have a mandatory periodic "Fitness for Use" review.
 
White women benefited more from Suffrage and the Women's Lib movement, not AA.

Wait a minute... are you kidding? Affirmative Action DEFINITELY benefited white women MOST.

About 50 years ago, President Johnson amended the first affirmative action law to extend its protection to women. There was a realization that women, along with minorities, dealt with obstacles in the job market and in other areas. Today, women are benefiting from affirmative action more than people of color. According to past research, six million women—who were mostly white—got their jobs through affirmative action.
 
Wait a minute... are you kidding? Affirmative Action DEFINITELY benefited white women MOST.

About 50 years ago, President Johnson amended the first affirmative action law to extend its protection to women. There was a realization that women, along with minorities, dealt with obstacles in the job market and in other areas. Today, women are benefiting from affirmative action more than people of color. According to past research, six million women—who were mostly white—got their jobs through affirmative action.

You missed my earlier point.
Women wouldn't even have the ability to take advantage of AA had it had not first been for Suffrage and Women's Lib.
You cannot build a home without first establishing the base.

AA was an enhancement and protection of rights already largely extended to women.
AA for our people was damn near a proxy establishment of rights which were denied to black people. We had no base to work from outside of 1865 and Jim Crowe.

That was my point. But someone took it way way out of context.
 
You missed my earlier point.
Women wouldn't even have the ability to take advantage of AA had it had not first been for Suffrage and Women's Lib.
You cannot build a home without first establishing the base.

AA was an enhancement and protection of rights already largely extended to women.
AA for our people was damn near a proxy establishment of rights which were denied to black people. We had no base to work from outside of 1865 and Jim Crowe.

That was my point. But someone took it way way out of context.

The issue at hand, however, was not whether white women benefited from AA more than they benefitted from Suffrage and or Women's Lib but whether white women benefited from AA more than Black Women benefited from AA.
 
The issue at hand, however, was not whether white women benefited from AA more than they benefitted from Suffrage and or Women's Lib but whether white women benefited from AA more than Black Women benefited from AA.

I'm not sure that was a point being brought up at all, but if it was in another reply that occurred before mine, then I missed it and can see why everyone took it out of context.
 
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