Scalia: Affirmative Action Sends Blacks To Schools Too Advanced For Them

[Amajorfucup]

Nibbs, who is one of our old trolls, is busy trying to convince you that Black people aren't about

education. Yet based on CENSUS DATA. seems Black people care about education:

Nah.. Those stats from 2011. Way too outdated for nibs to take seriously. Neflix was still mailing out DVDs back then. Fucks wrong wit you?

Take a DEEP PAUSE and miss me with that total load or horseshit you just attempted to unload.

I never said black people do not care about education. I never even implied that black people do not care about education.

I never claimed we cannot make it into college - but more than any other ethnic class blacks are often the ones taking a semester or two of remedial coursework. Especially when at colleges and universities that have a strong reputation for putting a premium on the emphasis of academic excellence over other non-scholastic endeavors. That same delineation even happens amongst HBCUs - Howard & Morehouse is "our" Ivy League while say, Bowie St. or anything with an "A&T" at the end generally has a lower academic rigor and standard.

Man this guy is fucking moron.

 

[nibbs]

Man this guy is fucking moron.

You're a moron if you don't understand the difference between the two statements.
One is Qualitative. The other is Quantitative.

 

[BKF]

Also keep in mind that these are usually poor black kids being sent to rich or upper middle class white schools... Parents and class makes a big difference in a kid ability to learn, for example if you were to move poor white kids to a rich white school, I am sure they would suffer from the same problems..
The main problem is that in the poor community the expectations of their children are not as lofty and demanding.. However, the richer white kids are often expected from a very young age to work towards their academic standing in society or risk losing out in family inheritance and respect..
With the poorer families the parents are often just happy that their kids are a big fish in a small lake meaning top dog in a underachieving school..

It's not just a poor kid thing. Many middle/upper class students are struggling for one reason or the other.

 

[Amajorfucup]

You're a moron if you don't understand the difference between the two statements.
One is Qualitative. The other is Quantitive.

And the totality equals idiocy.

Further, you're a complete fool if you think an "A&T" notates a lower academic standard and rigor. And an even bigger dumbass if you make a direct correlation with students taking remedial coursework to those getting and receiving AA benefit and preference.

Again, you're not nearly as bright as you seem to think you are.

Try again.

 

[RoadRage]

I find that the current education system is a an complete scam..
Colleges are now targeting minorities students by lowering their requirements, its at the point were the associates degree is worth exactly what a old H.S. diploma was back in the early 90's.
The scam part is that at least then you got it for free, now you have to become indebted by student loans just to get your 90's diploma equivalency..
Its at the point where colleges in poorer neighborhoods cater more to filling seats and loans than actually producing an educated student..
As long as we are getting medals of participation pats on the back via simple jobs who are more interested in hiring conformist who are capable of following simple commands and protocol rather than a person who is able to critically think, we can expect this factory of pumping out menbot workers to continue.
Now compare that to what goes on in the white universities where only the top tier students are rewarded based on their academics and hard work, where critical thinking is a must, where participation alone gets you nothing, where you are not paying for a 90's equivalency diploma but rather investing in your performance and your future...
Before we begin to think about competing with this system as a whole, we have to first change contempt for being just an average worker... Because until we start dreaming and looking at ourselves as greater we will continue to strive for mediocrity..
The sad truth Black people, we are ok with being average but we want our children and race to excel, sorry but to me that's nothing more than the cart leading the donkey... And this is what the scam plays off of..

 

[BKF]

I find that the current education system is a an complete scam..
Colleges are now targeting minorities students by lowering their requirements, its at the point were the associates degree is worth exactly what a old H.S. diploma was back in the early 90's.
The scam part is that at least then you got it for free, now you have to become indebted by student loans just to get your 90's diploma equivalency..
Its at the point where colleges in poorer neighborhoods cater more to filling seats and loans than actually producing an educated student..
As long as we are getting medals of participation pats on the back via simple jobs who are more interested in hiring conformist who are capable of following simple commands and protocol rather than a person who is able to critically think, we can expect this factory of pumping out menbot workers to continue.
Now compare that to what goes on in the white universities where only the top tier students are rewarded based on their academics and hard work, where critical thinking is a must, where participation alone gets you nothing, where you are not paying for a 90's equivalency diploma but rather investing in your performance and your future...
Before we begin to think about competing with this system as a whole, we have to first change contempt for being just an average worker... Because until we start dreaming and looking at ourselves as greater we will continue to strive for mediocrity..
The sad truth Black people, we are ok with being average but we want our children and race to excel, sorry but to me that's nothing more than the cart leading the donkey... And this is what the scam plays off of..

It's not just a scam on AA. It's a scam on all students graduating with "worthless degrees" that will not help them with employment.

 

[nibbs]

And the totality equals idiocy.

Further, you're a complete fool if you think an "A&T" notates a lower academic standard and rigor.

Find me any university or college that is ranked as one of the Top-100 academic institutions in America with an "A&T" in its title.

That's a pretty wide net I'm giving you here, Fuck Up. Anything in the Top-100.

Place the name [HERE]

Now would you considering anything outside of the top-100 to be academical superior to the anything in the Top-100?
If so, then you have some basic counting issues you may want to address.

And an even bigger dumbass if you make a direct correlation with students taking remedial coursework to those getting and receiving AA benefit and preference.

I've made no correlation between the two. I made a footnote that we find higher incidences of remedial education needed with African American college students.
How could you even begin to correlate that to Affirmative Action in and of itself?

At this point I have ask, do you have a reading comprehension problem?

 

[Amajorfucup]

Find me any university or college that is ranked as one of the Top-100 academic institutions in America with an "A&T" in its title.

Hey, how about this.. You list all the schools with "A&T" in its title. Lets start there. That alone will highlight the sheer idiocy of your original premise.

Now would you considering anything outside of the top-100 to be academical superior to the anything in the Top-100?
If so, then you have some basic counting issues you may want to address.

What kinda arbitrary bullshit is this??? Whats sad (and hilarious), is i dont think you understand just how big a imbecile you are..

I've made no correlation between the two. I made a footnote that we find higher incidences of remedial education needed with African American college students.
How could you even begin to correlate that to Affirmative Action in and of itself?

At this point I have ask, do you have a reading comprehension problem?

Sure you made a correlation dummy. Im also not certain you know exactly what a fucking footnote is.

And no, i dont have a reading comp issue.. But you sure as shit have one with communication, articulation, and basic consistency.

 

[Joe Money]

Nibs, out of curiosity, what university did you attend and where does your sister teach?

 

[nibbs]

Nibs, out of curiosity, what university did you attend and where does your sister teach?

I did a year at CW Post, a small private college in NY with a great pre-med program, but after a year I figured this wasn't the direction I wanted to go in my life.
I took a year off from college and worked. Applied and re-matriculated at NYU for undergrad.
Worked for 2 years, then applied for my Masters Program at Georgetown.


My sister has had several teaching positions throughout her career spanning Primary education through College level coursework, but is not teaching full-time at the moment.
She's a Program Director working for an Educational Policy think tank in D.C. and instructs a course on something (I forget) as an adjunct / visiting professor at the University of Maryland and George Washington University from time to time.

 

[nibbs]

Hey, how about this.. You list all the schools with "A&T" in its title. Lets start there. That alone will highlight the sheer idiocy of your original premise.

I think I enjoy making you my chew toy because you can't seem to read ...

I wrote:
"That same delineation even happens amongst HBCUs - Howard & Morehouse is "our" Ivy League while say, Bowie St. or anything with an "A&T" at the end generally has a lower academic rigor and standard."

Now, find me anyone that would agree that, Howard and Florida A&M (Ne' A&T) have the same academic standards, or Morehouse and Southern University A&M are on the same plateau of academic rigor and standard. Or expand on the concept, that Cornell and Texas A&T are on the same plateau and I'll show you a fool.

There's a reason why colleges are universities are ranked and not everyone can matriculate into any university they desire.

 

[Confucius]

And what is the "it" that you think I'm supposed to get?

I already stated long ago that I support Affirmative Action and don't subscribe to Scalia's hypothesis because on the individual level, his thinking on the matter is sweeping and logically flawed.

The "IT" is that it is not about AA. The issue is that you probably fall into the category he is trying to put us in. You seem to be the "slow" one. His argument just happens to touch on AA. The true issue of his statement is that they truly believe that we are not able to perform on the same level as them or higher. And those stats are BS. I went to school with smart people. I am a smart person. My dad is a smart person (MD). I can tell you from first hand that UT, Stanford, or any other school understands that there are fewer blacks in the country. The ones that do get accepted into the schools perform well.
And WTF do you mean that they had easy high school so they got in? Last time I checked, those schools still utilize the ACT and SAT (standardized tests). If we make the scores needed for entrance, then how can his statement even be remotely true? and what about all of the whites that flunk out of the Ivy League and the State schools? Are they benefiting from AA?

You are white SIMPLY. I know because you cant even get at the crux of what he said. Your white lenses won't let you see that

 

[Confucius]

Take a DEEP PAUSE and miss me with that total load or horseshit you just attempted to unload.

I never said black people do not care about education. I never even implied that black people do not care about education.

I did say that often the academic rigor of their pre-secondary education coursework, a deft lack of mastery of the the fundamentals, and often laissez-faire parental involvement leaves many of them at a disadvantage when they make it into a secondary education institutions.

I never claimed we cannot make it into college - but more than any other ethnic class blacks are often the ones taking a semester or two of remedial coursework. Especially when at colleges and universities that have a strong reputation for putting a premium on the emphasis of academic excellence over other non-scholastic endeavors. That same delineation even happens amongst HBCUs - Howard & Morehouse is "our" Ivy League while say, Bowie St. or anything with an "A&T" at the end generally has a lower academic rigor and standard.

If this site can accept PDF's I'd be happy to upload my Sister's studies and white papers. She's a lifelong educator and dealt intimately with the two top standardized test design companies.

BTW, again, you're using DATED information and a static histogram. 2011?
First, go look at a calendar and then tell me what year we are in.

I believe I linked you the data aggregator for all the most recent studies and metrics. Watch the overall trend for Black Males between 2005 - 2015, both college enrollment and college graduation rates.
A ten year window not a one year snapshot.

fuck your sister's paper...she is probably as dumb as you...

 

[nibbs]

fuck your sister's paper...she is probably as dumb as you...

Thanks for your input. You can put it in the corner with the other opinions.

But I'll tell you this. My Sister's work and papers have done more to advance the creation and use of charter schools in underserved minority areas and assist in increasing the academic rigor of 'black schools', therein making more black students TRULY college ready than probably any effort on any day that you have walked this earth.

You sound like another chuffing mouth from the sidelines who complains but does nothing to help.

 

[Lehigh]

Thanks for your input. You can put it in the corner with the other opinions.

 

[Amajorfucup]

I think I enjoy making you my chew toy because you can't seem to read ...

I wrote:
"That same delineation even happens amongst HBCUs - Howard & Morehouse is "our" Ivy League while say, Bowie St. or anything with an "A&T" at the end generally has a lower academic rigor and standard."

Now, find me anyone that would agree that, Howard and Florida A&M (Ne' A&T) have the same academic standards, or Morehouse and Southern University A&M are on the same plateau of academic rigor and standard. Or expand on the concept, that Cornell and Texas A&T are on the same plateau and I'll show you a fool.

There's a reason why colleges are universities are ranked and not everyone can matriculate into any university they desire.

I almost wanna say you cant be this stupid but apparently you are. And with each hit of the "post reply" button you cement that truth.

Now, not only have you failed to list more than one institution with A&T... - while glaringly and purposely ignoring the most common one that will debunk and collapse your entire house of cards- you have been reduced to including all vowel starting acronyms while pulling out one obscure institution and comparing it to an ivy league as if that exception represents the rule. Honestly, you are quite possibly the most intransigent dullard to litter this board with such crap in quite a while. No small feat.

Congrats.

 

[nibbs]

The "IT" is that it is not about AA. The issue is that you probably fall into the category he is trying to put us in.

Go back and read my first statement in this thread.
I believe I was the first to reply. I said, he was unequivocally incorrect because he tried to sweep us ALL into the same bucket and paint us all with the same brush. There was some metric based merit to what he said at the overall aggregated level of data and performance but when one drills down to the more granular and individual levels, his claims tend to lose substance.

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And WTF do you mean that they had easy high school so they got in? Last time I checked, those schools still utilize the ACT and SAT (standardized tests). If we make the scores needed for entrance, then how can his statement even be remotely true?

Many underperforming black schools are teaching kids to score well on the test by preparing them very very early. They're teaching to the test itself and now to pass - not testing their knowledge and application of such, which produces a false diagnostic.
This is a symptom though of educator compensation and reviews which is often tied to school wide / district wide scores and passing rates.

and what about all of the whites that flunk out of the Ivy League and the State schools? Are they benefiting from AA?

Sorry, I don't understand the question?

 

[Confucius]

Go back and read my first statement in this thread.
I believe I was the first to reply. I said, he was unequivocally incorrect because he tried to sweep us ALL into the same bucket and paint us all with the same brush.


Many underperforming black schools are teaching kids to score well on the test by preparing them very very early. They're teaching to the test itself and now to pass - not testing their knowledge and application of such, which produces a false diagnostic.
This is a symptom though of educator compensation and reviews which is often tied to school wide / district wide scores and passing rates.


Sorry, I don't understand the question?

you wouldnt understand the question. you are a CAC...it is not possible for you

 

[nibbs]

you wouldnt understand the question. you are a CAC...it is not possible for you

Ok. Well I answered your questions.
Thanks for your input.

 

[King Natty]

They going the fuck in on that Abby chick on twitter #staymadabby

 

[nibbs]

I almost wanna say you cant be this stupid but apparently you are. And with each hit of the "post reply" button you cement that truth.

Now, not only have you failed to list more than one institution with A&T...

Apparently you're playing the silly game right now. Most everyone knows that A&T and A&M, although not in the formal articulation of their names, are interchangeable suffixes.
A&T = Agricultural and Technical
A&M = Agricultural and Mechanical

6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

They are both the same type of university in so much as their early core curriculums and genesis.
Anyway, you've again failed to show me ANY school in the Top-100 with A&T (or A&M) in its name.

Please place [HERE]

K thx buh bye.

 

[da_monumental_1]

Apparently you're playing the silly game right now. Most everyone knows that A&T and A&M, although not in the formal articulation of their names, are interchangeable suffixes.
A&T = Agricultural and Technical
A&M = Agricultural and Mechanical

6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

They are both the same type of university in so much as their early core curriculums and genesis.
Anyway, you've again failed to show me ANY school in the Top-100 with A&T (or A&M) in its name.

Please place [HERE]

K thx buh bye.

*cough* Texas A&M *cough*

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I say get rid of AA myself. I don't know anyone black personally that got a job or acceptance to a college because of it. I never got mad when someone white didn't want me to play in their "sandbox". I kicked the sand in their face, said "Fuck yo sandbox" and built my own. When I stomp on any white competition, I want it to burn their souls knowing that a n*gger bettered them and they don't have any outlet or excuse they can rely to lie to themselves and others on how they lost. Maybe I'm just weird like that.

 

[BKF]

Many underperforming black schools are teaching kids to score well on the test by preparing them very very early. They're teaching to the test itself and now to pass - not testing their knowledge and application of such, which produces a false diagnostic.
This is a symptom though of educator compensation and reviews which is often tied to school wide / district wide scores and passing rates.


Sorry, I don't understand the question?

That's not a black school thing. That is an American school system thing.
Have you been asleep all of this time..the only people being pushed beyond the test are those in AP courses and/or those with excellent teachers.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

he look like a mafia baby!!

 

[RoadRage]

And another thing.

I have ivy league subordinates

They are not impressive whatsoever

Can think themselves out of a wet paper bag.

They are good at following process and procedures.

Repeat what is thought

But we are now coming into an age where the ability to adapt is the competitive advantage.

Their age is done.

They are killing themselves off at higher and higher rates particularly the more affluent ones including their kids

If they are so advanced then why are they killing themselves at such a high rate?


Let us stay focused people.

They are their own worse enemy.

Preach on Bro!!!! Naturally knows how to create and critically think outside the box... Its a damn shame that out naturaly gifted ability is being wasted trying to mold our minds into some conformist, rule following manbot for so many brain dead jobs..
And they wonder why we are often rebellious and don't bow down to authority....
The board of education way of teaching, converts minds into female thinking brains, minds who conform to authority rather than a masculine mind, one who is able to come up with their own conclusions, this is why traditionally women and gay black men tend to do better in school than black strait males. and may be yet another reason why feminism and gay males are on the rise..
White males have no problems because most of them have been breeded for over two thousand to have homosexual tendency minds and the ones who don't usually wind up as white trash!!!

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

To any silly person that thinks AA aint help

beckys more than anyone else..

Ask yourself a simple simple question..

What was white women doing BEFORE the Civil rights Movement...??

What happend to them AFTER the civil rights movement??

it totatlly destroyed black wealth..

But peep in corporate america, and tell me what was becky doing in corporate america before civil rights....

and what were they doing after civil rights.....

if they get rid of AA beckys and many immigrants aka new blacks.... would be devastated....

btw

I bet scalia wears womens clothing like j edgar hoover did...

he looks the type

 

[BKF]

To any silly person that thinks AA aint help

beckys more than anyone else..

Ask yourself a simple simple question..

What was white women doing BEFORE the Civil rights Movement...??

What happend to them AFTER the civil rights movement??

it totatlly destroyed black wealth..

But peep in corporate america, and tell me what was becky doing in corporate america before civil rights....

and what were they doing after civil rights.....

if they get rid of AA beckys and many immigrants aka new blacks.... would be devastated....

btw

I bet scalia wears womens clothing like j edgar hoover did...

he looks the type

The fact that white women are even considered a "minority" says everything.

 

[FLoss]

Good read here (scientific based study):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-affirmative-action-thrive-at-elite-colleges/

Scalia was wrong: Students admitted through affirmative action thrive at elite colleges

 

[Confucius]

Apparently you're playing the silly game right now. Most everyone knows that A&T and A&M, although not in the formal articulation of their names, are interchangeable suffixes.
A&T = Agricultural and Technical
A&M = Agricultural and Mechanical

6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

They are both the same type of university in so much as their early core curriculums and genesis.
Anyway, you've again failed to show me ANY school in the Top-100 with A&T (or A&M) in its name.

Please place #70 Texas A&M http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandr.../texas-a-m-university-228723/overall-rankings

K thx buh bye.

I will just leave that here...idiot

 

[BlkStrength]

I think I enjoy making you my chew toy because you can't seem to read ...

I wrote:
"That same delineation even happens amongst HBCUs - Howard & Morehouse is "our" Ivy League while say, Bowie St. or anything with an "A&T" at the end generally has a lower academic rigor and standard."

Wat!!?!

"North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University ranked No. 1 in the nation among public historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs), according to U.S. News & World Report’s 2014 Best Colleges rankings. "

"North Carolina A&T State University has been ranked in the top tier of national universities in several categories in the 2013 U.S. News & World Report college rankings."

 

[nibbs]

I will just leave that here...idiot

Congratulations. You found one.
In over 100 colleges only ONE.
All the way down at position 70.

Humor me, where does the next one appear.

 

[Confucius]

Congratulations. You found one.
In over 100 colleges only ONE.
All the way down at position 70.

Humor me, where does the next one appear.

 

[nibbs]

Wat!!?!

"North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University ranked No. 1 in the nation among public historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs), according to U.S. News & World Report’s 2014 Best Colleges rankings. "

"North Carolina A&T State University has been ranked in the top tier of national universities in several categories in the 2013 U.S. News & World Report college rankings."

NCAT at #1? Until I see otherwise, I'm going to have to disagree.
Fisk, Morehouse, Hampton, Howard, Spelman, and Tuskegee have almost always traded positions for the Top 5.

 

[nibbs]

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But what does this mean?
If anything you underscored my overarching point that the A&M/T's have a lower academic bar and strength of program.
You don't even see a A&anything until 69 other colleges have gone before it. Where does the next one appear? In the hundreds?


Let me make a further statement for the avoidance of doubt. This DOES NOT mean these are bad schools. They're just not as scholastically competitive as the others for any number of reasons.
Student body, faculty, program type, selection criteria...

Everyone has a natural level of achievement and intelligence IRRESPECTIVE OF COLOR / ETHNICITY and there is a school for everyone to suit them and that their latent achievement level provided you have trained, studied, and worked to maximize that level.

In some ways it's amusing that people would be so hostile as to think that not everyone has the same level of cognitive abilities IRRESPECTIVE OF COLOR / ETHNICITY but give not a second care if this were perhaps a look at college sports. Why some D1 programs are just better all around and attract the best athletes while some cannot compete on this level and end up at D2 schools.

However, in the end both the D1 and the D2 athlete can end up in the same professional arena. There's no barrier to entry in the professional world provided you have the requisite skills, knowledge, training, and certifications. Success on the other hand is a totally different scope.

 

[Joe Money]

They going the fuck in on that Abby chick on twitter #staymadabby

They're posting some good info as well. Abby's weighted GPA was 3.59, and her SAT was 1180/1600 (75 percentile). Only 47 students admitted to UT that year had lower stats than her. 42 of them were white.