Russ Westbrook traded to the Rockets for CP3

Is $10 mil a year that much of a hit if it ensures you a lottery pick and ability to let your young pg run the team without any issues?

Edit: Deron Williams left 18 mil on the table to leave the Nets and signed with Dallas. It effected our cap for 5 seasons at five mil a season, not the $21.5 that was owed over the remaining two

https://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/10/brooklyn-nets-deron-williams-buyout-talks

All I'm saying if he has suitor, it's possible. Dallas has space and are looking for a pg. A 3 year contract with a team option for the third with a small guaranteed could make the buyout worthwhile

Not sure where you are getting $10 mill a year. Paul is owed $123M over the next 3 seasons with the final year a player option of $44M!! You think he gonna just walk away from that? That type of contract is gonna hurt any team even if its the final year.
 
Yes, if you buy out or waive a player he still counts against your cap

and even if you stretch it it still counts

The Lakers are still paying Deng and he counts against their cap

But not at 40 a season.. it's spread out
 
Not sure where you are getting $10 mill a year. Paul is owed $123M over the next 3 seasons with the final year a player option of $44M!! You think he gonna just walk away from that? That type of contract is gonna hurt any team even if its the final year.

If he finds a team who will give him a three year/ $54 million contract, OKC can offer him $69 mil to take a buyout a $10 mil a year over 7 years while he still gets the $18 mil for the next three seasons from his new team which in the end still allows him to collect all of the $123
 
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Man.....Rockets fans gonna be pissed by all star break....if they thought CP3 and Harden were bogging down the offense.....wait until they see Westbrook. :lol:
 
Man.....Rockets fans gonna be pissed by all star break....if they thought CP3 and Harden were bogging down the offense.....wait until they see Westbrook. :lol:

I actually think this is going to work out way better than people think and will work much better than CP3...and not because Westbrook is the better pure PG it's because of the system they run... their pace is going to be bananas.
 
But not at 40 a season.. it's spread out

If he finds a team who will give him a three year/ $54 million contract, OKC can offer him $69 mil to take a buyout a $10 mil a year over 7 years while he still gets the $18 mil for the next three seasons from his new team.

Does this sound like a good deal if you're an owner

If you spread it out...it's three years for that one year. And it's $40 over three years left. But you would have to pay the next two to make that even viable. So you're paying $40, $40, $13, $13, and $13 for a player not on your team....who could help your team...that still takes up money on your cap.

You are paying a pretty good player, not to play. Bad contract or not, CP3 isn't a shit player.
 
I actually think this is going to work out way better than people think and will work much better than CP3...and not because Westbrook is the better pure PG it's because of the system they run... their pace is going to be bananas.
Yeah but all that pace is good for is getting scored on. I can see it working but I can see it not. I don't think Westbrook is a consistent enough shooter to make it work. I think they are a much better team now so I get why they made the trade....I personally would've used CP3 and got someone who can compliment Harden at the 3.
 
So Harden and Russ are going to take turns going one on one while the other watches?

Yup. For the entire season, bro. The entire season. And some playoff games. Most likely a first-round flameout.

That is going to be a boring team to watch.
 
Yeah but all that pace is good for is getting scored on. I can see it working but I can see it not. I don't think Westbrook is a consistent enough shooter to make it work. I think they are a much better team now so I get why they made the trade....I personally would've used CP3 and got someone who can compliment Harden at the 3.

Oh. I don't think they're going to come of the west or be that much better because D'Antoni is a bad coach to me and you need to be able to defense to win in the playoffs.. I'm just saying I don't think they'll have an issue because Harden is still going to put up the volume he wants with a faster pace offense..and it will be faster with Westbrook. I think the idea that Westbrook and Harden will be fighting over the ball is going to end up being overblown.
 
Does this sound like a good deal if you're an owner

If you spread it out...it's three years for that one year. And it's $40 over three years left. But you would have to pay the next two to make that even viable. So you're paying $40, $40, $13, $13, and $13 for a player not on your team....who could help your team...that still takes up money on your cap.

You are paying a pretty good player, not to play. Bad contract or not, CP3 isn't a shit player.

OKC pays the buyout amount not the full contract. Like Brooklyn only paid 25 mil over 5 instead of 43 over 2 once Deron signed with the Mavs. Whatever they agree upon is what's paid
 
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The Rockets’ Russell Westbrook Trade Presents More Questions Than Answers
By Chris Herring
538

So much for the idea of the Rockets standing firm and running things backfor the 2019-20 season.

Houston, after initially being described in reports as a longshot in Russell Westbrook trade talks, landed the Oklahoma City star Thursday night, edging out other suitors like the Miami Heat and Detroit Pistons. The move is undoubtedly a huge one: Westbrook joins the Rockets, while the rebuilding Thunder will take back an aging Chris Paul and pocket first-round picks in 2024 and 2026, along with two future pick swaps. If you’re counting, OKC has now picked up a total of eight first-round picks since this year’s draft alone.

Many will likely struggle to understand this deal for Houston. But let’s not make this more complicated than it is: Rockets general manager Daryl Morey has always prioritized star talent over just about everything else. And Westbrook has that, even if he might make for a questionable fit.

The first question that comes to mind: Is it really worth it to hand the rock to a ball-dominant player who is so much less efficient than James Harden is? Especially when that player occupies the same point-guard position, and can’t shoot the ball nearly as well as Paul, the man he’s replacing? The wide gap in defensive IQ between Paul and Westbrook is also worth pointing out, even if Westbrook’s athleticism is substantially greater than Paul’s ever was. (Maybe there’s a hope that Westbrook and Harden, longtime friends from their time in OKC, will play off each other well because of that prior experience together? Also: It’s hard to believe that the Thunder drafted three MVPs in a row, and now all three are with different teams, and two playing for a division rival.)

In Paul, the Rockets had a pretty steady secondary playmaker who could both play alongside Harden — even when they clashed — and maintain continuity with the same 1-on-1 playing style when the former MVP went to the bench for a breather. Houston mostly lived, and sometimes died, with that strategy — one that would have been tougher to deploy as Paul continued to slow down. One indication that Paul was beginning to lose a step: The cerebral point guard averaged 1.05 points per direct isolation play
in 2016-17 and an NBA-high 1.15 points in 2017-18, according to data from Second Spectrum. But during the 2018-19 season, Paul saw his 1-on-1 numbers fall dramatically, down to 0.88 points per direct isolation.Interestingly, Westbrook averaged 0.88 points per direct iso last season, too.

But even with Paul getting slower, there are two areas where he still outplays Westbrook: He makes far fewer mistakes (Paul has a 4-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio for his career, while Westbrook owns a 2-to-1 ratio), and he is a vastly superior jump-shooter, having hit almost 38 percent from deep the past 10 seasons while Westbrook stands at just 31 percent over that span. That difference in shooting ability is a key distinction, given that the Rockets have been more reliant on the 3-point shot than any other NBA club in recent years.

There are ways in which a move like this could pay off for Morey and the Rockets, though. Westbrook will turn 31 soon, and his relative durability the past few years is an obvious plus compared to Paul’s, who is 34 years old. (Paul’s contract expires a year sooner, but both deals carried roughly a $40 million annual price tag either way.) Westbrook will never be the shooter that Paul is, but Houston is banking on the fact that he’ll be just as good for the offense — if not better — because of his ability to create.

There will be some other areas of concern, too. Harden and Westbrook rank No. 1 and No. 2 in the NBA in turnovers-- Another stat Westbrook and Harden rank No. 1 and No. 2 in: single-season usage rate-- the past three years, with more than 1,100 giveaways each in that window. And Westbrook has a tendency to call his own number at times when he’s ice cold — particularly in the playoffs, even when he has a capable superstar teammate to help shoulder some of the burden.

Still, in our story on Westbrook earlier this week, we mentioned that the OKC star ranked near the top of the NBA in drives per game and shot a career-best 65 percent at the rim, all while throwing an NBA-high 802 passes that led to 3-point attempts. Between the Rockets’ ample spacing and their perimeter scoring threats — two things the Thunder lacked — Houston may benefit from Westbrook’s explosive athleticism on offense.

Even if Westbrook continues to be highly productive — if not triple-double-a-night productive — there are still so many questions we’ll be curious about. Will his contributions on both ends outweigh the steadiness the Rockets generally got from the older Paul? (Especially when our
early projections pegged Houston as the best team in the West still.) Will Houston become an even more predictable two-headed monster than before? And what if this still isn’t enough to put the Rockets over the top?

We know Morey’s gambling tendencies by now, and he’s content to get these answers later and change things down the line if need be. For now, though, the Rockets have another star alongside Harden, and if nothing else, it figures to make the team very interesting — probably even more than before.
 
I think Houston will be fine. Both Westbrook and Paul are good PGs but I think Westbrook fits Houston's system better than Paul.

I wouldn't be surprised if they made it to the Western Conference finals
 
his career is basically over....so OKL play the cards by giving him a max deal in exchange for 1st round picks
 
Sources: OKC trades Russ to Rockets for Paul
The Oklahoma City Thunder have agreed to a blockbuster trade that will send Russell Westbrook to the Houston Rockets, where he'll be reunited with James Harden, league sources told ESPN.

The Rockets will send guard Chris Paul, two protected first-round picks (2024 and 2026, both protected Nos. 1-4) and two pick swaps (2021 and 2025) to the Thunder, league sources told ESPN.


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The Rockets are reuniting two former MVP guards who started their careers together with the Thunder. This was a deal Harden and Westbrook were each enthusiastic about, league sources said.

Thunder general manager Sam Presti worked with Westbrook and his agent, Thad Foucher, to help honor the star guard's hopes of playing with the Rockets, league sources said. The Thunder also discussed a possible deal with the Miami Heat, sources said.

Presti already is working with Paul's agents at CAA Sports -- Leon Rose and Steven Heumann -- to redirect the nine-time All-Star to a new team, league sources tell ESPN. The Heat are prominent in the conversations, but there are other possibilities also being explored, sources said. Presti and Rose worked together last year on a similar situation with Carmelo Anthony.


Paul has three years, $124 million left on his contract -- one year fewer than Westbrook would have had on OKC's books. If the Thunder keep Paul, they'll have a representative lineup that currently includes him, center Steven Adams and forward Danilo Gallinari.

If Oklahoma City wanted to incentivize a trade for Paul, the Thunder could use part of their massive pool of picks to facilitate a deal. Paul has some positive history with Oklahoma City, having played there with the Hornets starting in 2005-06, when Hurricane Katrina forced the franchise to temporarily relocate.

Caesars Sportsbook moved the Rockets' odds to win the 2019-20 NBA title from 10-1 to 7-1, behind only the Los Angeles Lakers (7-2), LA Clippers (4-1) and Milwaukee Bucks (9-2).

"I said at the end of the year, 'We're never gonna stand pat,'" Fertitta said. "We're always gonna try to get better. I think this makes us a better team. I hate to lose Chris Paul, but we felt like we did what we had to do to become a better team.

"I think it'll be very interesting and fun. James and Russell wanted to play together. It ought to be fun this year."


Rockets reporter Tim MacMahon shares why the Rockets agreed to trade Chris Paul to the Thunder for Russell Westbrook.

Westbrook and Harden will be the fourth pair of teammates to play together after each winning an MVP award within the previous three seasons, per Elias Sports Bureau research.

Westbrook has four years and $171 million remaining on his contract, with a player option in the final year of his deal set to pay him $47 million should he opt in.

After Paul George's trade to the Clippers, Westbrook and Foucher worked with the Thunder to find an agreeable path forward on Westbrook's future with the franchise. With free agency effectively concluded, and Westbrook's list of preferred destinations extremely short, the timing made trade negotiations complicated.

Still, the Thunder wanted to accommodate Westbrook's wishes as much as possible, with his first and foremost desire to reunite with Harden in Houston, while also finding a trade that fit OKC's objective of rebuilding.

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Drafted fourth overall by the Thunder (then the Seattle SuperSonics) in 2008, Westbrook leaves as the franchise's all-time leader in points (18,859); second in assists (6,897); third in rebounds (5,760) and steals (1,442); and fourth in games played (821). In the Oklahoma City era, Westbrook ranks first across the board.

Westbrook won the MVP in 2016-17, making NBA history as the first player since Oscar Robertson in 1962 to average a triple-double. He broke Robertson's mark of triple-doubles in a season with 42, and then went on to average a triple-double in two more seasons. Westbrook ranks tied for second all time with Magic Johnson at 138 career triple-doubles, behind only Robertson (181).

Westbrook is one of just 10 players in NBA history to record 15,000 points, 5,000 rebounds and 5,000 assists with a single franchise, seven of whom are in the Hall of Fame. The remaining two are Kobe Bryant and LeBron James.

Since Westbrook was drafted by OKC, only the Spurs (613) and Rockets (541) have more wins than the Thunder (538). Westbrook was part of a historic run of picks by the Thunder, as the only team in NBA history to select three consecutive future MVPs (Kevin Durant, Westbrook and Harden). Since Westbrook's debut, the Thunder are the only team to have three different players finish in the top three of MVP voting (Durant, Westbrook and George). OKC has had 16 All-NBA selections since 2009, the most in the NBA in that span.

The Thunder made the playoffs in each of Westbrook and Harden's three seasons together, going from the 8-seed in 2009-10 to No. 4 in 2010-11 to No. 2 in 2011-12. They reached the NBA Finals in their final season, losing in five games to Miami, before Oklahoma City traded Harden to Houston that October.

Westbrook will be forever connected to the Thunder as the face of the franchise, pledging his loyalty to the organization in the wake of Durant's departure to the Golden State Warriors in 2016. Westbrook re-upped with OKC, stabilizing the roster and providing a path forward, and then signed a five-year extension in 2017, at the time the largest contract in NBA history.

He appeared at a previously scheduled stand-up comedy event in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on Thursday night, shortly after news of the trade spread, but did not speak to the assembled media.

Information from ESPN's Ramona Shelburne was used in this report.
 
The rise and fall of Oklahoma City, the NBA's small-market miracle

It's Russell Westbrook Day.

It's Russell Westbrook Day every day in Oklahoma City, by a mayoral decree signed in 2017 by then-Mayor Mick Cornett after Westbrook re-upped with a five-year, $205 million extension.




It was Russell Westbrook Day on July 6, when the Oklahoma City Thundershockingly traded Paul George to the LA Clippers. And it's Russell Westbrook Day on July 11, the day the Thunder traded him to the Houston Rockets to reunite with former teammate James Harden.

Westbrook had been the fabric of the Thunder for more than a decade, connecting with the city through his confidence, bravado and underrated charm. Despite his snarling, foul-mouthed intensity on the court, Oklahomans stood up a little taller because Westbrook's unwavering self-belief soaked into the core of the state.

He'd been the last man standing from the league's small-market miracle, but things change quickly. And with little warning.


For the first time in their 11-year history since relocating from Seattle, the Thunder are tumbling headfirst into a reboot. It leaves big questions about how OKC might react to watching a team without superstars, or if it can continue to fill the arena on Tuesday nights in February.

The fall might seem abrupt, but really, the pillars of their foundation have been splintering for years. Fresh off their only NBA Finals berth in 2012, they traded a 23-year-old Sixth Man of the Year in Harden -- but they kept winning. In the summer of 2016, they lost Kevin Durant, the Thunder's first MVP and face of the franchise -- but they kept winning.

Indeed, the Westbrook and George trades are jarring, but there's some optimism for a refresh -- something many in the organization think is necessary, if not overdue. Not that the Thunder wanted this, though, by any means.

When they re-signed George a year ago, it was an achievement for a franchise that bet on itself to overcome the immense gravity of the larger markets. There wasn't just excitement about extending their window, but about the chance to finally exhale.

Every Thunder summer since 2014 centered around star free agents, first with Durant, then Westbrook's future, then George's recruitment. With Westbrook and George under contract for at least the next three years, the fan base could finally experience some stability and assurance for the first time in more than five years.

But behind the scenes, OKC's basketball axis was already tilting toward change.

Steven Adams ($25 million) under contract, OKC was headed for the repeater tax in 2019-20.

But the Thunder believed they would be healthier, better and ready to compete in a reshuffled Western Conference that has finally escaped the Golden State Warriors' stranglehold.

The hard truth for the Thunder, though: The Westbrook-George pairing wasn't working. There was context, sure, like George's shoulder injuries last season, but a team that pricey with that much star power shouldn't have just three playoff wins over the past two seasons.

So when George's agent, Aaron Mintz, informed Thunder general manager Sam Presti of his client's wishes -- more a request than a demand -- it came as a shock, but it also was seen in some ways as a gift.

"Westbrook is the franchise player, the one who stayed, the purified representation of the Thunder's first chapter in Oklahoma City. The highs, the lows, the drama, the tragedy, the beauty, the success, the failure -- he'd been there for all of it."
The Thunder's best bet for the season was a progression of the chemistry between their stars, internal development of their youth and some fringe additions to help steady the team's inconsistency. But if George wasn't completely on board, combined with the fact his offseason shoulder surgeries could force him to miss the first couple weeks of the upcoming season, the request might have become a demand if the Thunder started slowly.

The franchise's leverage, in that case, would be diminished, and the circus of a superstar asking out would follow.

There was no real way to ask George to reconsider. One could try to assign blame -- to George, to Westbrook, to Presti, to head coach Billy Donovan -- but if you want to blame anything, it's geography.

The Thunder have battled against it since their inception, and with George's ties to the Los Angeles area, there was no stopping it a second time around. The Thunder staved off the draw of L.A. once before, but after a yearlong, already successful recruiting effort, there was simply nothing left to sell. The partnership with Westbrook was a big part of it, and Westbrook did his part, with the two building a strong relationship both on and off the court.

But even as George's trade request shook the walls of the organization, Westbrook didn't try to change his mind, according to multiple sources.

Westbrook and George's relationship was probably the most consistent, stable thing about the Thunder these past two seasons, and there was no fracture between the two that led to George's trade request.

the same everything.

So as Kawhi Leonard put the full-court press on George, and with Westbrook not breaking character to re-recruit his star teammate, the Thunder had little to counter it. Presti wasn't as heartbroken by George's request as some might believe, having experienced plenty of star departures before. If anything, there was pragmatic relief.

The disappointment stemmed more from the timing, because the Thunder were already in the middle of trying to execute their free-agency plan (re-signing Nerlens Noel, adding Mike Muscala and Alec Burks, who was allowed to reconsider his deal and sign with the Warriors instead).

The Thunder lost Durant for nothing, but with George, they were going to restock the cupboard and take what would be a three-year rebuilding plan and reduce it to one night. Not only was the haul of assets from the Clippers unprecedented -- and plenty more picks are coming from Houston via the Westbrook trade -- the underrated aspect of the deal was that, suddenly, the Thunder's own draft assets became valuable again.

Those would make the recovery easier to swallow. The Thunder have an ample number of pathways to take, from draft and development to accessing the accumulated assets to acquire the league's next available star. That's the pragmatic view.

But there's also the romantic one, the one that sees the end of an era, the one that puts Westbrook in a different jersey for the second half of his prime, the one that leaves the team that drafted Durant, Harden, Serge Ibaka and Westbrook as the dynasty that never was.

LeBron James to Los Angeles. They pulled Kevin Durant to Brooklyn. And they abruptly ripped Paul George from Oklahoma City.

Westbrook was the last man standing. He couldn't be again.

It was Durant who was always thought to be the superstar next door, the one who would never leave, the player made for a small market like OKC. That connection was real, but it wasn't rooted to the red dirt. After Durant left and Westbrook pledged his loyalty, it was obvious to everyone: It was Russell all along.

"There's nowhere else I would rather be than Oklahoma City," Westbrook said after agreeing to his extension in 2017.

"You guys have basically raised me. I've been here since I was 18, 19 years old. You guys did nothing but great things for me. Through the good and the bad, you guys supported me through it all, and I appreciate it. Definitely when I had the opportunity to be able to be loyal to you guys, that's the No. 1 option.

"Loyalty is something that I stand by."

Westbrook won't be the first number retired -- that honor went to Nick Collison -- but he will be the first statue. He's the franchise player, the one who stayed, the purified representation of the Thunder's first chapter in Oklahoma City. The highs, the lows, the drama, the tragedy, the beauty, the success, the failure -- he'd been there for all of it.

It will be Russell Westbrook Day tomorrow, and all the days after, but it's also a new day for the Thunder, and the chance to finally start again.
 
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