Roland Martin fires shots at Tariq, Jason Black and all ‘don’t voters’
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u just contradicted urself while tryin to prove a point about ANTI-intellectualism , u really gotta rethink ur stance, u either wanna principled intellectual solution or u want a ra-ra reality , again Malcolm/DrKing/badlwin were "educated" and still were able to understand how shit works, Roland has never spoken down to anyone i know of on any of his shows, yet Tariq is on record denigrating black folks without economic or educational background/leverage while Roland advocates on their behalf daily.
Roland wouldnt even allow Umar to use the word "Coon" to address another black person on his show, and if only Umar was would've atleast respected the brother's request by respecting his wishes and used the opportunity to voice his opinions and perspective but Umar allowed himself and his childish mindset to get him sidestepped &kicked off the show , where he was given an opportunity to address a different demo about his vision, /.... or maybe, just ,maybe Roland already knew the type of grimy person Umar was and was about to expose him anyway but umar fell for the bait regardless!,
so if u see education & intellectual sound arguments as a weakness then we are obviously working from two different camp.. and ill bow out at that point, we dont need to convince each other about our stances anymore, but i know u can be revolutionary and have an intellectual grounding & understanding of how things work not everyone will have to wield a rifle ,some will wield pens, some will wield mics, some will wield spirit. and Roland aint even that hyper-intellectual-devoid-of-reality-of-black-life type of folks that appear on tv like the marvin sewell's of the world, with all the intellectual ideas but no touch of sound reality , Roland actually has a grip of how things work and how he believes we can use the system & work within the system to achieve SOME of our goals, and i can't knock that, at least he's noble and honest
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How does Roland not speak down to anyone? When someone like Roland or like Baraki Sellers addresses others as Negro, is that not an insult? Baraki said negro when addressing Kayne West and Roland said negro addressing blacks who chose not to vote, he also said negro when addressing Tariq subconsciously when he told others don't vote. Negro, IMO when addressed from people like Roland and Baraki is used mostly as a term stating unintelligence when addressing in their opinion uneducated blacks.
Also, I forgot her name but that Black Feminist chick also uses the word negro to address other blacks who she disagrees with, so also of this issue is an issue of classism and education.
As for Umar, I agree with Umar and no offense but playing by the rules hasn't worked yet and won't, all the professionalism doesn't bring forth the needed change so if Umar needed to go ON-AIR and hurt Roland's brand by screaming COON on live TV then so be, white people know what the word means but it' about time you get serious instead of playing these psychology games with white people when they hold all the cards.
I don't see education and intellectualism as a weakness in black folks, I see classism as a weakness which usually comes from a high amount of education and a strong desire for blacks to get a seat at the table. I got no issues with you at all and I respect your stance and what many of you BGOL brothers have built for yourselves in real life but I think for black politics we need our own stuff and we need to get rid of the need for White Approval and do our own stuff, the money is there right now but the respect isn't there.
And as for Tariq, he talks about dusty niggas all day and he's right but remember he's an uneducated damn near the 50-year-old man who came from nothing, no education of sort so he's gonna look different than a Roland who is Frat Boy certified and so forth. We can take criticism and nothing is wrong with that but it's the lack of respect that will make any man go over the edge.
Democrats completely stop talking about blacks and focus on illegals and gays, when we're brought up always some sort of sympathy shit but the community doesn't change, no one gets married, no one has families and people are tired of the BS.
Regardless of your stance a lot of people feel exactly the way I feel and trust me when I say this, a man who gains the respect of a woman is a lot more fundamentally sound that a man who can't.
Umar is a 40 something-year-old single dad paying child support for I think 2 kids, of course, he's far from perfect, he's still chasing that dream. Nothing to put on blast about, nothing to expose here.
Anyways I'm done, I just don't vote Dem and that's just my choice.
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I have a newfound respect for Roland Martin. 2 weeks ago Roland dropped some Gems on The Karen Hunter's show ... The first 35 minutes of the interview was excellent.
I can't find the full interview
He proved Tariq's point, he said it hisself within the first minute his main need was his own show.
Tariq didn't lie on Roland, nothing against Rollie but he's a opportunist looking out for hisself.
That wasn't a lie and I'm not impressed by his interview, maybe if I had a PHD or something I'll look up to the nigga but I don't. I don't follow these bougie negroes like that.
Roland Martin In 2008 >>>>>>
I swear the god nobody in this thread mentioned NOLA and deuce all in this bitch talking sideways
he didnt , Roland never had a problem with folks, hes not the one making clown costumes, u talk as if having a PHD is bad or something, folks shouldnt get educated ? u sounding liek one of those cats who automatically thinks any0one with a higher college degree & not in the hood is bougie
I can talk about things other than New Orleans and do it every day on this board.
Also nothing sideways was said.
In the same show Tariq called niggas who make multiple youtube videos about him "his bitches"
Yet if you apply that to Tariq with regards to his issues with Roland, Tariq would be Roland's bitch.
Roland has mentioned Tariq less than 5 times, Tariq keeps Roland's name in his mouth..
I watch Roland daily and Roland goes about his program and talks about the topics of the day.
Tariq will spend extended time on Roland, to the point you have to start fast forwarding to get past it.
You completely wrong, it's not about education, it's classism...
And yes Tariq proved his point about Roland which is to get a job and Roland just stated this in this interview. Roland can't go as deep as Tariq since he's not signing his own checks so yes Tariq is completely right and most you niggas just don't get it.
i like people with facts and facts based reasoning n logic , not everyone is a Malcom X , n tariq certaimly is anything but ,so , id rather a man who has a reasoned and logical tactic than a man who's really just a charlattan and seekin to make a quick buck , i gave him a pass cos of his hidden colors series not that its anything groundbreaking or new, if u grow up in a household or around folks who openly discusssed these things but i gave him the pass becos ,theres never too much out there for the younger ones coming up . but the other shit shit he does ?, i stopped rocking fully with him , now im only in small doses, but ay u have a right to ur own opinion
For those who are short on time allow me to break down Roland's and Tariq's take on the reported Russian interference.
Tariq:
- Black people are beginning to wake up to status quo politics.
- Black people are implementing quid pro quo now
- No one who is intelligent is dumb enough to follow an obvious russian troll bot
- In the end it was Black people who have seen no progress and wanted to leverage their vote's, is the reason why there was low voter turn out and "no votes"
- If it weren't for Russian influence, Black people would of voted for Hillary like we would have always done
- Bernie Sanders+ Russians are the responsible for the "non voters" from the last election cycle
- Russians were the ones who kept bringing up Hillary's baggage.
- Black people are easily influenced by everyone except the people that Roland represents.
Well I did give you props for breaking it down before reading it, I'll openly admit that
But I think you totally disregarded anything that Malcolm Nance brought to the table, despite what motives Roland may have (and yes I know of his association with Hillary the career hopes he pinned on her) but I think you have take anything Nance says about Russia seriously compared to anything Tariq says.
In the video Nance says that Russians specifically targeted a demographic of African Americans would be more susceptible Russian targeting.
Why do people keep saying black women saved democracy and all this other stuff....Last time,I check over 80% of black men vote for the Democrats too...Matter of fact,black people are the only group that vote for the Democrats that high.
I get it that black women vote for the Democrats the most but to say they saved the Democrats and democracy is ridiculous.
Mr. Nance was VERY careful to not be specific on some very particular events I noticed (DNC for example .
And the aforementioned certain demographic that was "targeted " aren't dumb asses. I fall in that group. I'm offended that these dudes are questioning my intelligence honestly.
Homie embodied the attitude why we say they are out of touch.
They think they are the smartest in the room. Won't admit their mistakes . And no mention of addressing why we "aren't voting"
I'm amazed that people take the word of a cat that arches his eyebrows.
Can't knock his hustle but I laugh at him and his followers.
Can't knock his hustle but I laugh at him and his followers.
you referring to Tariq?
this ya'll king?
Well according to David Chapelle he quit his show because white folk were laughing to hard at his nigga jokes. You got Richard Pryor saying it was wrong to use the word. So what exactly did Roland say that was wrong?
Chappelle is on record actually saying that he was basically cooning. Nothing at all about the N word.
Pryor called his albums Nggr this and Nggr that. Not nigga. That was his personal choice.
But I'm not here to get into if two separate words (there, they're, and their are 3 separate words intelligent people can easily identify BTW) should be said. It's way too late in the day.
Roland is essentially giving a pass to those cacs. No homie, when I say "what up my nigga" it is a 180 difference when a cac says "look at that ******". But ya'll know that lol.
If we all agreed to call each other Kings and Queens tomorrow. How does that help end WS?
I'll wait.
I will say this. My interpretation of Roland comment is what I have been saying for awhile. It makes no sense for black people to use (co-sign) any version of the word for any reason. You said what's up my nigga. Why is it so hard to say what's up yo, what's brother, what's up fam? Why does nigga have to be the word of choice? No one has really been able to explain why nigga (er) or whatever version you feel the need to justify... needs to be in OUR vocabulary.
I don't think Richard Pryor made that distinction (a or er) once he openly stated he wasn't going to use the word in any shape or form.
Side note--I think it is absolutely ridiculous to have a rapper or comedian use the word knowing that people who enjoy the work are going to recite the line in question. Suddenly I'm supposed to get pissed that someone white is quoting words from a song or comedic bit a black person had no problem selling to them.
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folks like selective outrage
sounds like words that come from a republican-lite midset , anytime people start using that kinda logic,
just cos u dont like the FACTS doesnt mean people r talking over u ,
just like when u start tryin to claim Roland is Classist becos he favors higher education n upward mobility thru educated engagement,?
Roland never speaks down to anyone! he likes to engage folks in educated discussions (why Tucker Carlson would rather invite Tariq than Roland on his show..wonder why?
Roland doesnt use the N word (i do )(cant say the same for TARIQ) and asks his guest not to on his show, he gave Umar the boot becos of the Umar callin another guest a COON , if Umar is so smart & revolutionary he would've honored the simple gentleman's agreement he made with Roland , No? ,
Roland, (the only black somewhat Mainstream host who gave him a platform
Roland is engaged thru the political process , Tariq is not,,
so Tariq shouldnt complain, he should stay out completely and not have an opinion on it, but best believe Tariq will be affected by the laws the winning candidates put in effect by those voters who participate in the process.
so if we didnt push out the the black vote do u think those record number of Black female DAs wouldve been elected ? n start punishing all these racist cops look, we could go & on
If you want to take it there lets go there.
Negus means African royalty.
The true root in the etymology comes from West Africa.
So can say that why its okay for Black people to use it.
Negro comes from Latin orgin meaning black property or object.
Which is probably why cacs use it Nggr.
Also don't forget we really started using the word more heavily in the last 50 years or so among ourselves.
Are you saying that if we stopped using it (Nigga) today, white people would treat us better tomorrow (you would have to forget the last 399 years of WS of course, but carry on)?
If it is about african royalty as you are trying to pretend like that is the real reason it came into our common vocab. You shouldn't have any issues if a white person says what up nigga, because by your logic he/she is acknowledging your African Royalty. Why get mad at anyone who addresses you as royalty?
For the record, you keep bringing up white people. I don't care what white people think about this issue. They are going to think and say what they want. Fuck them. Like I said in a previous post, I am talking about how WE address each other.
I would immediately check a white dude for saying Nigga
I would immediately choke a white dude for saying Nggr.
It's that simple.
You're projecting a whole lot of nothing.
He hates that 'epitat' because he gets called coon daily.
Also don't forget they were mad at Umar because he said he was AGAINST interracial dating on a called Black show and station lol.
im projecting for reading & callin out the bullshit? lol
why wouldnt Umar honor a simple gentlemans agreement , ? u dont see that as a character flaw?? if Umar doesnt respect roland why go on his show to disrespect him?
everything Roland stands for is legit ,it might not be revolutionary but its legit and commendable , those other wanna be revolutionary wanksta
reminds me of folks who complained that Cosby Show was "Boujiee" becos he "didnt keep it real? with drugs , gangs , teen pregnancy and showing black degradation
I have no idea what this "gentleman agreement" is or was.im projecting for reading & callin out the bullshit? lol
why wouldnt Umar honor a simple gentlemans agreement , ? u dont see that as a character flaw?? if Umar doesnt respect roland why go on his show to disrespect him?
everything Roland stands for is legit ,it might not be revolutionary but its legit and commendable , those other wanna be revolutionary wanksta
reminds me of folks who complained that Cosby Show was "Boujiee" becos he "didnt keep it real? with drugs , gangs , teen pregnancy and showing black degradation
And yes you are projecting lol. Youre literally swinging at strawmen here.
My initial statement that has you in your feelings is what i mean. Yall think that people are uneducated on this topic (voting).
And I'm not even mad at Roland. He thinks that the salvation of Black people is delivering their votes blindly to the Dems without any promises.
I however disagree with that method 100%.
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