Only thing thats happening is the Democratic Party is losing Black Americans at a rapid rate.
Reflection on ADOS
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Only thing thats happening is the Democratic Party is losing Black Americans at a rapid rate.
That's not what I asked you. Can you answer #1 and #2 bro?
and how does that equate to xenophobia & telling lies & distortions that demonizes continental afrikans & carribean immigrants.?
what does any of that have to do with "getting what is owed"
can u name these unearned benefits that immigrants get, that ADOS have been locked out of ?
I just did. The conversation is already on the table. If that's the case the funding is already being discussed. The problem is they are discussing it in a way that divides it so we are not only sharing what's rightfully ours but they aren't going to go back to slavery as the starting point.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/22/ocasio-cortez-reparations-germany/
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i dont see how fighting for whats owed to ADOS has to do with demonizing other black people who are recent immigrants from the carribean & afrika
Brother. Democrats aren't Congress. They are one-half of Congress. Do you honestly think Congress (as a whole) would vote for reparations? DO you honestly think a president whoever they may be in the future won't veto any such bill put in front of him?
Democrats "talking about something" is about as realistic as me talking about quantum phasing through my art desk.
this post perfectly explains why the ados debate is the most pointless in the history of black people.
i don't know what check mate refers to. yall can have this dumb ass debate.
one narrative from one or even few misguided black person = every black person from the diaspora
just as one good white person doesnt equate = no racism
just as native black americans looking down & spewing dehumanizing vitriol about carribeans & immigrant afrikans & thinking all afrikans r dumb n live on trees still doesnt = all native black americans have superiority complex against afrikans becos they learned these ideologies from white folk
I said the political conversation is going on. That's what I said. It's one that's being taken seriously by the democrats. How far does it go depends on several things but we have to make sure we stay in front of this so we don't end up as another "poc or minority" when this finally gets some real traction.
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its not about the dems
How are ADOS and or the black community as a whole going to MAKE anyone (congress, pres candidates etc) do anything?
After they get your vote - how will you keep their feet to the fire so they won't sellout or break promises?
What penalty will you exact on them after a broken promise? voting them out isn't it -
because they now have a guaranteed 6 figure job for life no matter if in gov't or private sector
Isn't that always been the risk we've taken with politicians that we've voted for as a people? Name me one politician that we can say we actually held sway over.
Where are you getting this from?
They were never slaves, or directly disenfranchised. Historically everytime a black community rose up economically it was cut down, without recourse. We must have a two track approach because we are unique.
I'm not a movement type person. Other than BLM, which I supported but didn't actually attend events, I'm just not built for following. I'll take wisdom from anyplace, but I don't assume that because someone is wise in one area they are wise in all things.
I don't have the patience to watch all those youtube videos, if it's not in written form, I normally don't seek it out. There are certain things that just stick out as red flags so I don't usually get caught up in the first place. Most black folks used to be the same way, certain words and triggers used to be an auto rejection, but there are actually groups out studying us and how we respond, and using things we agree upon to suck folks in before gradually changing to more divisive rhetoric.
I am all for putting black folks first, but any ideology telling me to concede power by not voting or voting in a way which will not keep those who are actively trying to harm us (the GOP) out of power is nonsense. Anything telling me I have to hate xyz to get ahead, or I can only win if xyz loses is division and the basis of WS used to fearmonger white folks, and I'm not for it. Anything that tells me I can't have compassion for others or speak out against hate and injustice because the target isn't a black person, all the while expecting outside groups to have compassion for us and do right by us, is nonesense.
I don't want to turn into my oppressor. I don't want to see black people with callous hearts. We can look out for ourselves and stand against hate in all forms at the same time. It's not an either or situation.
I'm not against reparations, but whether or not we ever get them, there is other work that needs to take place at the same time. If black folks want the backing of politicians for stuff like this, we need to PAY to play like the other groups do. We don't financially back candidates en masse. Hell we can't even agree on candidates. Ppl are looking for perfection that doesn't exist.
I can find a superpac, multiples, for every issue or group that folks on here complain about making progress. Women. LGBTQ. Immigrants. Last I searched, I found one superpac for black issues, and I couldn't find a way to donate or detailed info. We want to hate the players, but don't want to learn or play the game. If we want the results others get, we have to organize, lobby and spend like other groups. Politicians see us showing up as begging instead of demanding our money's worth. Even when it comes to just voting we don't use our votes properly when it can make a difference, during primaries. In the general it's too late if we don't want the GOP to maintain power and strip our rights and protections when they have it.
The arguments on this board. Just read the undertones. The arguments on other social media boards. Just read the undertones. Nobody's going to come out and say it outright. That's not how people work. However people work towards their own agendas. When you have immigrants taking advantage of affirmative action programs already what makes you think they won't take advantage of free money
hmmmmm - Why is it only us (black) and rednecks that take a risk when voting?
Haven't you noticed Jews don't ever take a risk? If a politician even has a fevered dream of crossing Israel or a jew supporter - he wakes up twisted drenched and apologizing
Shit asians - esp chinese don't take a risk, catholics, italians etc etc - they never seem to have a problem cracking a politician that crosses them
I only see us, poor white trash, and non chicano / non-mexican latinos taking a risk in voting booths and getting screwed time n again
If you're taking about economic arm twisting I know where you're going. The point is when have any politician every felt beholden to us? Even when they looked like us?
*QUOTING MYSELF FROM ANOTHER THREAD ON THIS TOPIC*
Although I support Black Americans and their movement to classify themselves as a special group who's owed justice and compensation, I fear their approach towards it is further dividing the diaspora. Nonetheless, Black Americans are right on this issue. They have been and are being given the short end of the stick.
As someone who identifies as Afro-Carribean, I do very well to relate to both sides and stay neutral from divisive and separatists ideologies as it does not advanced the greater fight against systemic white supremacy. I do, however, think that my Afro-American brothers and sisters raise good points regarding their case for being a special group whose struggles and needs warrant special attention and care, but some are doing it from a place that creates division rather than unity across the diaspora. As for Native born Africans, they must learn about the struggles of Black Americans and respect the fact that the opportunities being given to them or any form other of advancement is a direct byproduct of the Civil Rights Movement.
Although I support Black Americans and their movement to classify themselves as a special group who's owed justice and compensation, I fear their approach towards it is further dividing the diaspora. Nonetheless, Black Americans are right on this issue. They have been and are being given the short end of the stick.
As someone who identifies as Afro-Carribean, I do very well to relate to both sides and stay neutral from divisive and separatists ideologies as it does not advanced the greater fight against systemic white supremacy. I do, however, think that my Afro-American brothers and sisters raise good points regarding their case for being a special group whose struggles and needs warrant special attention and care, but some are doing it from a place that creates division rather than unity across the diaspora. As for Native born Africans, they must learn about the struggles of Black Americans and respect the fact that the opportunities being given to them or any form other of advancement is a direct byproduct of the Civil Rights Movement.
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This is a brother who gets it.
its crazy how some of you niggas process info
edit: actually don't tell me what you're talking about. you simple mind
Hmm...
Is it possible that you are misinterpreting the "undertones" because theres a heavy anti-immigrant narrative being pushed right now?
Cause Im reading the same shit you are and most if not all of us on BGOL said we would ride with you for you to get reparations, and that we agree with the premise that ADOS are the ones who are entitled to it.
Also, just so i know, how does one voluntarily take advantage of affirmative action programs? Or even avoid taking advantage of it? Id like to know how please.
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folks r being used and dont know it , there are agents at work & now u wonder why on Joy Reid's show it was mentioned how there might be BOTS within the ADOS movement?
Bro...it...WON'T....get...traction.
That's the problem. You believe something is/will happen and I'm telling you it won't. I'm trying to help you out of your delusion
the conversation been goin on in every generation , but yes we should push it more & even make a dedicated effort to make it a sticking point to every democrat & republican candidate, becos yes we need to uplift descendants of american chattel slavery thru specific reparations in america
its not bots that are dragging Kamala Harris' record
its not bots that are using old video clips of Angela Rye and Joy others to make a point
nice video but Tone or Yvette did not CREATE the ADOS philosophy or movement, they just labelled teh ideology with a cute moniker & created an intellectually dishonest precipice, theres no difference between REPARATION CLAIM in the US and the fundamental demand of the ADOS movement repackaged other than the ADOS movement tries to hate & shit on Pan-Afrikans & carribbean & afrikan immigrants
that vid has more to do with directly refuting claims by Joy and Angela Rye about ADOS being "bots"
This ADOS shit is just another attempt to split up black people in America and using the argument of "reparations" is bullshit because America WILL NOT pay black people reparations. This country is as racist as we've always known it was.
No need to argue over "who gets what" when NO ONE is getting shit.
No need to argue over "who gets what" when NO ONE is getting shit.
It ain't possible. I give credit where it's due. I only seen one thus far. Maybe two that spoke out in a way that said they are all for us getting our due. The rest are saying we are being xenophobic.
The problem with the whole affirmative action thing is that if we don't get some legal definition on who is eligible for reparations then just like affirmative action they will get it also. Also stop acting like immigrants and their children don't have access to those programs.
You can start with the homestead act of 1862 which gave away free land to any citizen or immigrant. Over 10% of US land was given away before slavery ended.
The most glaring example of unearned benefits is the affirmative action program. The original legislation was intended for african americans only. The final draft was changed to include historically disadvantaged groups. Gays, Nigerians, women, asians, pretty much anyone but a white man. This is where you get Native Americans like Elizabeth Warren.
Giving us land is just not going to work. First of all, how are you going to get people to GIVE up their land. Second of all, if you are a black person living in DC, Atlanta, LA, Houston, are you really going to want to re-settle your whole family on some piece of shit land in unincorporated Montana or some shit? I think not.
I'm for reparations but it is going to have to be more comprehensive than just giving black people a check and some land. What happens when that money runs out? We're right back at square one.
Also I think this frenzied movement to relabel ourselves ADOS is redundant for one, and I DO NOT want to self identify my people as SLAVES. We are much more than that. Its redundant because we can have reparation bills that explicitly define who it is for (african American descendants of the enslaved in America) without relabeling ourselves so some youtube hustler can sell us ADOS t-shirts and apparel.
Stop falling for the jig.
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