Reflection on ADOS

[d_the_inc]

As seen by the video, the slave trade was an arms length transaction between Africans and European commercial interests. Pan- Africanist want to establish a link with Africans who sold you for weapons to Europeans which does not make sense. When Africans come here, their ancestors sold you to Europeans, their issue with whites is them violating their sovereignty later through colonization attempts. An African and white president of the United States is not ADOS. We should be getting reparations from European and African nations for the slave trade.

Many of these clowns on YouTube that put on African clothes, are ignorant fools, much the same way as the stalkers that bait me into threads on BGOL.

I respect your right to have a perspective, however, i disagree with your over generalizations. You speak of Africa as if it's a singular nation, which it is not. I agree that there were tribes and countries that were complicit in the slave trade, but not the entire continent.

Today, there are blacks who are complicit in the genocide of other blacks, drug dealers, pimps, clergy, prosecutors, scientists and others, but that's not sufficient to paint an entire people.

 

[mangobob79]

Black people immigrate to America and still place the flag of their nation on their cars, homes, tattoos, clothes. But when ADOS decide we want to be become our own cultural group we are xenophobic. Tell that to the Jamaican that waves his flag on his bumper or the hatian. Or the ganian or Ethiopian.

bruh no one is saying ADOS /DOACS becomin a cultural group is xenophobia
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but creating a false narrative about immigrant afrikans & carribeans in a bid to fight for justice claim for ADOS/DOACS by stoking fear & distrust is xenophobia,
lying about getting hated on , lying about government favoring immigrant blacks over native blacks ,
claiming foreign black generally wanna look down on native blacks and steal their opportunities in order to create a fear & distrust of and blame of foreigners is xenophobia
like when folks say foreign blacks can come here & get bank loans to start businesses that are denied to native blacks , which isnt true !
like saying nigerians somehow are more prosperous than the average native black becos of some conspiracy to keep native blacks down is xenophobia man!

 

[mangobob79]

Let me give you a scenario. Tomorrow they give out reparations to all black Americans. Is it fair that an immigrant from a slave trading African nation one generation removed get a share?

so we are making up non-existent scenarios in the future to justify real life modern day xenophobia today?

 

[ankhheru]

"A lot of non ADOS blacks in this country"
do u have an idea of the percentage when u say "ALOT " 5% , 10%, 50% , 90%?

becos i beg to differ , being a part of both communities i strongly beg to differ , what u believe to be true is different from what is true, hearsay and what u might read in some corners of the internets or from YT pundits doesnt make anything true, there's alot of misinformation being thrown into this sphere right now,

Yvette (who i used to be a fan of until i really got into her ideology & started noticin the growing xenophobia & anti-immigrant talk) if u watch & follow from her video & commentaries have been very anti-diaspora immigrants,( thats where the claims of xenophobia have come from and lots of folks r noticing it ,
its not "WITHOUT BASES" as u claim AND NOT BASED UPON A FALSE PREMISE

its very clear in her videos & how she hates & tried to discredit the pan-afrikan movements,

we dont need to create non-existent anti-DOACS scenarios as a prerequisite to push for reparations for DOACS its not necessary

u say : "in their own countries they identify by different ethnic and cultural groups instead of calling themselves black"

i say : identifying as u or ur parent's ethnic tribe is not xenophobia

u say : They come here and still identify themselves by their ethnic and cultural groups and even do commerce and social dealings based on those beliefs even while living among ADOS people:

i say : can u give me some examples of this and also factor in how any group practices group economics based on ethnicity tribe , geography, common interest like even a sports team or religion or sex is different from what u claim they do

creating false narrative to gin up fear of & demonizing other tribes is xenophobia

and u bring up a good point of how affirmative action is currently being used by everyone and thats a good example ,
which is why i try to use DOACS instead of DOS becos DOS can be claimed by different classification of people (native americans, some mexicans, even the irish at a point can argue their indentured servitude was "slavery" but no one can claim CHATTEL SLAVERY in america but descendent of american enslaved afrikans in amerika becos thats how affirmative action got taken over

Stop the bull. There's many enclaves in our communities that do this One in particular IN MY COMMUNITY IS THE ETHIOPIANS. They only do business, socialize and intermarry in my city within their ethnic group. They will sell you shit all day. From cars to gas to food but you can't do any other business with them or get inside their social and business structure. Are they xenophobic?

 

[ankhheru]

so we are making up non-existent scenarios in the future to justify real life modern day xenophobia today?

I'm wondering what's your intent.

 

[mangobob79]

Only thing thats happening is the Democratic Party is losing Black Americans at a rapid rate.

well okay ,i hope & pray the repubs will come thru and pick up the slack and allow us the space to even voice our concerns to begin with, n will fight to defend the little things that we have been able to acquire thru the democrats platform before we can even advance on other issues without first losing housing, healthcare , education, welfare access etc

 

[mangobob79]

Stop the bull. There's many enclaves in our communities that do this One in particular IN MY COMMUNITY IS THE ETHIOPIANS. They only do business, socialize and intermarry in my city within their ethnic group. They will sell you shit all day. From cars to gas to food but you can't do any other business with them or get inside their social and business structure. Are they xenophobic?

thats alot ot unpack
first let start with
"They only do business, socialize and intermarry in my city within their ethnic group: ? : so...who & where would they buy from ?

u say "They will sell you shit all day. From cars to gas to food but you can't do any other business with them "
what other business structure do u want to get if u buy & sell to Ethiopians?
and on social structure,..well ,..... so ur concern is to socialize or intermarry ?
so u dont see Ethiopins socializing outside their circles?
and the issue of marrying, ,people marry outside their ethnicity all the time but some r more intermarried than other but that isnt xenophobia,

or are u just tryna get some Ethiopian shawty and not getting success? i dont know, maybe ur game is to blame!

so does that amount to xenophobia? shit some Ethiopians wont marry Eritreans or Somalians and they are neighboring countries!!

xenophobia is hatred & fear mongering and lies and propaganda about another group !

one group not wantin to marry another group aint xenophobia , thats choice and it dont bother me none!
white jews, some black hebrews ,muslims,etc brown arabs etc green or whoever do it, it doesnt bother me!

i have enough disaporic black folk at my disposal to be worried about a few who have a right to practice majority intermarry
, folks have a right to want to marry within their groups thats not xenophobia!
if an appalachian southern girl says she only wanna marry a southerner appalachian who is catholic , that isnt xenophobia!

 

[mangobob79]

I'm wondering what's your intent.

im Pan-africanist , my intentions r clear ,
i want ALL black folks to succeed, i want ADOS /ADOACS to succeed in america and to help fight for get reparation SPECIFICALLY for ADOS?ADOACS
without the belief that xenophobia is a prerequisite for ADOS/DOACS getting the reparations & justice claims that is way overdue met !
i just dont want to traffic in BS made up scenarios ,lies & distortion that will only weaken the rightful justice claim becos more hands involved in the fight is more power to the struggle! and side distraction n unwarranted xenophobia will weaken the movement and poison it and leave a scarlet mark on ADOS /DOACS in the eyes of the black diaspora world and will only make us collectively worse off and WS will again win ! its so easy to see

im wonderin whats urs!

 

[ankhheru]

thats alot ot unpack
first let start with
"They only do business, socialize and intermarry in my city within their ethnic group: ? : so...who & where would they buy from ?

u say "They will sell you shit all day. From cars to gas to food but you can't do any other business with them "
what other business ?
so ur concern is to socialize or intermarry ? so u dont see Ethiopins socializing outside their circles?
and the issue of marrying,
people marry outside their ethnicity all the time but some r more intermarried but that isnt xenophobia,

or are u just tryna get some ethiopian shawty and not getting success? i dont know, maybe ur game is to blame!

so does that amount to xenophobia? shit some Ethiopians wont marry Eritreans or Somalians and they are neighboring countries!!

xenophobia is hatred & fear mongering and lies and propaganda about another group !

one group not wantin to marry another group aint xenophobia , thats choice and it dont bother me none!
white jews, some black hebrews ,muslims,etc brown arabs etc green or whoever do it, it doesnt bother me!

i have enough disaporic black folk at my disposal to be worried about a few who have a right to practice majority intermarry
, folks have a right to want to marry within their groups thats not xenophobia!
if an appalachian southern girl says she only wanna marry a southerner appalachian who is catholic , that isnt xenophobia!

So an ADOS wanting to ensure that reparations and any other earnings due by the government because of the blood, sweat, tears and actual death of their ancestors remained in their community wouldn't fall under xenophobia correct? According to your argument here it would be them just doing them and what's right and correct behavior.

 

[mangobob79]

You can start with the homestead act of 1862 which gave away free land to any citizen or immigrant. Over 10% of US land was given away before slavery ended.

The most glaring example of unearned benefits is the affirmative action program. The original legislation was intended for african americans only. The final draft was changed to include historically disadvantaged groups. Gays, Nigerians, women, asians, pretty much anyone but a white man. This is where you get Native Americans like Elizabeth Warren.

okay now we talkin but why add the lies tho?
. "The final draft was changed to include historically disadvantaged groups. Gays, Nigerians, women, asians, pretty much anyone but a white man "
where does it say "NIGERIANS" ? which particular affirmative action decree targetted NIGERIANS?

 

[Drayonis]

Let me give you a scenario. Tomorrow they give out reparations to all black Americans. Is it fair that an immigrant from a slave trading African nation one generation removed get a share?

Well they aren't going to pay up so your scenario along with your "black immigrant" argument is a waste of time. You arguing over reperations you'll never see.

 

[Drayonis]

the lesbian cac coocohie lover misery merchant & agent she is dead wrong ,

I fucking hate this squirrely bitch

 

[Drayonis]

this is what most don't get

if you don't have a realistic answer to this - you have no power

most times when negotiating against power you have to show the stick before you can offer the carrot

They have yet to answer me. They think the payday is coming from sympathetic white people

 

[mangobob79]

So an ADOS wanting to ensure that reparations and any other earnings due by the government because of the blood, sweat, tears and actual death of their ancestors remained in their community wouldn't fall under xenophobia correct? According to your argument here it would be them just doing them and what's right and correct behavior.

wait... i dont understand ur question. what??? how does reparation due to ADOS require u to be xenophobic ?
are u saying black foreigners dont have a right to live & work in the USA becos ADOS fought for civil rights here? i dont understand the question , can u be clearer?
so by that logic r u saying black american enterpreneurs and black american expatriates living in England/spain/portugal/west indies/south america-Brazil etc south afrika /west afrika shouldnt live and participate in those countries economies becos those native blacks in those lands fought for their civil rights that american expatriate would have to take advantage of if they lived there?

 

[ankhheru]

wait... i dont understand ur question. what??? how does reparation due to ADOS require u to be xenophobic ?
are u saying black foreigners dont have a right to live & work in the USA becos ADOS fought for civil rights here? i dont understand the question , can u be clearer?
so by that logic r u saying black american enterpreneurs and black american expatriates living in England/spain/portugal/west indies/south america-Brazil etc south afrika /west afrika shouldnt live and participate in those countries economies becos those native blacks in those lands fought for their civil rights that american expatriate would have to take advantage of if they lived there?

You're not stupid. You understood what I said. Now your sounding like white people. I'm not saying you're white but you're playing the confusion game. You understood full well what I said. If you didn't read it again.

 

[mangobob79]

The arguments on this board. Just read the undertones. The arguments on other social media boards. Just read the undertones. Nobody's going to come out and say it outright. That's not how people work. However people work towards their own agendas. When you have immigrants taking advantage of affirmative action programs already what makes you think they won't take advantage of free money

Black american expatriates & their families who live in foreign lands also take advantage of whatever affirmative actions those native blacks fought for, should ADOS in foreign lands not take advantage of that ? getting jobs which blacks didnt get in those lands, school, healthcare, business loans before those black fought for and won some rights etc?
now if u want to totally wipe it out becos u r mad that foreign blacks can somehow access the little mercies while here in america, then u should be finen okay with blacks in foreign countries asking black american expatriates & their families in those lands to not take advantage of the little mercies those blacks civil right brought too..

or we can push to restructure it or even create a new & specific program that Targets ADOS/DOACS and make sure only ADOS get those benefits .
alot can be done without xenophobia if thats what we really wanna do !!
unless we just wanna flex like we the only ones who have anything of importance in the whole black world diaspora to offer



i feel i must ask , just curious
have u seen YVETTE Carnell's page & the shit she spews about afrikan & carribean immigrants n the comments on her YT page?

 

[mangobob79]

It’s a shift in mindset. Back in 1862 land in California was being given away, now it’s worth considerably more. That ship has sailed.

Fast forward to today, wouldn’t it be nice to get some of those weed dispensary licenses? Can that be the new land grab? Or are we just gonna sit back and fall for the okie doke ‘POC’ bullshit? If they distribute the benefits/licensese to Nigerians or Dominicans how has that benefitted the children of slaves?

okay thats what im fightin for
i dont have any issues with this idea ! shiiiit ill be in the Forefront to pushing for the act like the way 1862 california was given away, to do somethin similar for ADOS .. sign me up !!


but i wanna ask......... why do u feel u need to bring up whether the licenses would be given to NIGERIANS OR Dominicans ,?
if the licenses are to be for ADOS why must we bring in a fear of possible NIGERIANS getting it ,if it will be CLEARLY LABELLED FOR ONLY ADOS LIKE THE CASINOS FOR NATIVES ARE, and ONLY ADOS WILL REGULATE IT STRICTLY?
why must we always find away to bring the cloud of xenophobia into it, promote what u love and ignore what u dont right ?

 

[ankhheru]

Black american expatriates & their families who live in foreign lands also take advantage of whatever affirmative actions those native blacks fought for, should ADOS in foreign lands not take advantage of that ? getting jobs which blacks didnt get in those lands, school, healthcare, business loans before those black fought for and won some rights etc?
now if u want to totally wipe it out becos u r mad that foreign blacks can somehow access the little mercies while here in america, then u should be finen okay with blacks in foreign countries asking black american expatriates & their families in those lands to not take advantage of the little mercies those blacks civil right brought too..

or we can push to restructure it or even create a new & specific program that Targets ADOS/DOACS and make sure only ADOS get those benefits .
alot can be done without xenophobia if thats what we really wanna do !!
unless we just wanna flex like we the only ones who have anything of importance in the whole black world diaspora to offer



i feel i must ask , just curious
have u seen YVETTE Carnell's page & the shit she spews about afrikan & carribean immigrants n the comments on her YT page?

Don't act like we didn't get involved in the liberation of other nations through the pan African movement. Right now my concern is here and WHAT'S GOING ON. If those ex patriots don't respect what's going on over there then correct them. That's between them and those folks. My fight is here.

 

[mangobob79]

That Puerto Rican New York senator is trying to tie reparations to the new deal and all non whites. That's a no for me dawg.

thats that Puertorican sentors Bs and she should be lit up for that, thats a no

 

[mangobob79]

Don't act like we didn't get involved in the liberation of other nations through the pan African movement. Right now my concern is here and WHAT'S GOING ON. If those ex patriots don't respect what's going on over there then correct them. That's between them and those folks. My fight is here.

and dont act like foreign blacks haitians /west indians ,etc didnt bleed for this nation too, and that doesnt negate ADOS getting their justice claim in this land either,

 

[ankhheru]

thats that Puertorican sentors Bs and she should be lit up for that, thats a no

You said that already. Are you on that sauce tonight?

 

[ankhheru]

So an ADOS wanting to ensure that reparations and any other earnings due by the government because of the blood, sweat, tears and actual death of their ancestors remained in their community wouldn't fall under xenophobia correct? According to your argument here it would be them just doing them and what's right and correct behavior.

Let's get back to this.

 

[mangobob79]

You said that already. Are you on that sauce tonight?

theres alot of sauce in my house.. i got sheridans liquer on deck

 

[mangobob79]

Let's get back to this.

ok fire on

 

[ankhheru]

ok fire on

I'm waiting for an answer that ain't trying to push confusion. I followed your logic. Everybody else can do what they want because it's good for them so why can't ADOS?

 

[ankhheru]

theres alot of sauce in my house.. i got sheridans liquer on deck

BTW I got some henny

 

[mangobob79]

I'm waiting for an answer that ain't trying to push confusion. I followed your logic. Everybody else can do what they want because it's good for them so why can't ADOS?

its cool, we building ,

ok so ,answer to what in particular ?

 

[ankhheru]

its cool, we building ,

ok so ,answer to what in particular ?

It's cool bruh. We chopped it up enough tonight. Enjoy your drink and I'll enjoy what I'm sipping on. We can pick this up later or we can call it what it is.

 

[SPECTRE1]

I respect your right to have a perspective, however, i disagree with your over generalizations. You speak of Africa as if it's a singular nation, which it is not. I agree that there were tribes and countries that were complicit in the slave trade, but not the entire continent.

Today, there are blacks who are complicit in the genocide of other blacks, drug dealers, pimps, clergy, prosecutors, scientists and others, but that's not sufficient to paint an entire people.

http://discoveringbristol.org.uk/sl...nvolved/east-indies/east-african-slave-trade/

There are no records for the number of enslaved Africans sold before the 17th century from the Savannah area of Africa (which includes countries such as Mali, Niger, Chad and Sudan) and the Horn of Africa (which covers Djibouti, Somalia and Ethiopia). It is estimated that in the 17th century, about 10,000 slaves per year were sold to North Africa and the Middle East. There was a large domestic slave population in this area and slavery was an accepted form of labour amongst the rulers of the different kingdoms. Small numbers of enslaved Africans were sold from the east coast to other areas including the Persian Gulf and India for hundreds of years. (The Persian Gulf is today the area including Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Oman and the United Arab Emirates). The numbers of enslaved Africans sold to these areas increased in the late 18th century. This was because French merchants bought slaves from East Africa for the growing sugar plantations on the French owned islands in the Indian Ocean. Brazilian merchants also began buying slaves from the same area for the sugar plantations in Brazil, after 1800. Then, trade to the Persian Gulf and India increased rapidly. By the early 19th century about 30,000 people were being sold into slavery from this eastern area of Africa. They were being bought and sold through the main centre of the trade on the island of Zanzibar (off the east coast of Africa, of what is now the country of Tanzania).

Not every white person was involved in slavery, however, they came from cultures that tolerated it.

The slave trade took place all over Africa, on the west and east coast. It is sad because other racial groups would not sell their people like that to be exploited to that extent. They may do it to each other but not let me come in and snatch one of them up and turn them into my slave. This sort of mentality is common among us, we will turn one of us over to a white slaver, for a job promotion or some trinkets.

Once other groups saw you in this light of an inferior server or field worker, this laid the groundwork for their bizarre white supremacist beliefs. If I saw whites as servants or fieldworkers, it could foster a supremacists belief about them seeing them in that light.

Somebody coming from Kenya may have bloodlines that were involved in selling slaves can't really speak out on it without talking bad about their ancestors. Many Blacks falsely wonder why Africans didn't come to the United States to rescue them and the answer is that they participated in it.

 

[ArsenalCannon357]

 

[Autobot8655]

This ADOS movement is such a beautiful thing.



My folks are waking the fuck up!

I trace my lineage at least to the early 1800s from AL and MS.

Trace your Genealogy.

If anything does occur, you will have to show evidence....your family history is the key.

 

[Autobot8655]

and dont act like foreign blacks haitians /west indians ,etc didnt bleed for this nation too, and that doesnt negate ADOS getting their justice claim in this land either,

wait.....did they (or their ancestors) immigrate to the United States or were they kidnapped?

Just answer that question.

 

[mangobob79]

wait.....did they (or their ancestors) immigrate to the United States or were they kidnapped?

Just answer that question.

i said haitians/west indians fought wars on this country's behalf !
what is the question ?

 

[mangobob79]

wait.....did they (or their ancestors) immigrate to the United States or were they kidnapped?

Just answer that question.

i said haitians/west indians fought wars on this country's behalf ! & many stayed here , many went back,
im not sure what the question is..
care to rephrase ?

 

[ArsenalCannon357]

This ADOS movement is such a beautiful thing.



My folks are waking the fuck up!

I trace my lineage at least to the early 1800s from AL and MS.

Trace your Genealogy.

If anything does occur, you will have to show evidence....your family history is the key.

Dick Gregory called it in one of his last few interviews