Reflection on ADOS

[peterlongshort]

Giving us land is just not going to work. First of all, how are you going to get people to GIVE up their land. Second of all, if you are a black person living in DC, Atlanta, LA, Houston, are you really going to want to re-settle your whole family on some piece of shit land in unincorporated Montana or some shit? I think not.

I'm for reparations but it is going to have to be more comprehensive than just giving black people a check and some land. What happens when that money runs out? We're right back at square one.

Also I think this frenzied movement to relabel ourselves ADOS is redundant for one, and I DO NOT want to self identify my people as SLAVES. We are much more than that. Its redundant because we can have reparation bills that explicitly define who it is for (african American descendants of the enslaved in America) without relabeling ourselves so some youtube hustler can sell us ADOS t-shirts and apparel.

Stop falling for the jig.

It’s a shift in mindset. Back in 1862 land in California was being given away, now it’s worth considerably more. That ship has sailed.

Fast forward to today, wouldn’t it be nice to get some of those weed dispensary licenses? Can that be the new land grab? Or are we just gonna sit back and fall for the okie doke ‘POC’ bullshit? If they distribute the benefits/licensese to Nigerians or Dominicans how has that benefitted the children of slaves?

 

[mangobob79]

Again, for the record, I would do my best to help ADOS get reperations in any way I can.

I see fear tactics being pushed along in the movement so that Im speaking against that but other then that, Im all for it.

thats what im saying, theres alot of xenophobic bullshit getting pushed along with the tenents of the rightful reparation justice claim that Descendents of amerian chattel slavery (DOACS) system deserve to receive but folks r getting caught up & cant see they r bein used to discredit a legit ideology, which, mind u , didnt start with yvette or Tone but just a basic reparation claim gettin repurposed as some new revolutionary ideology which wont be bad if it wasnt being wrapped in xenophobia & a desire to shit on carribean & afrikan immigrants , its as if some folks were waiting for the opportunity to put these other neeguz in their place for daring to even thrive in america !( a deep desire to project WS & american WS exceptionalism outlook on afrikan & carribeans )as thats what im warnin against & folks think people r sayin they shouldnt file a justice claim or that were saying they dont deserve it ,
and some of it is also to cause political division which inturn feed more victories to republicans, like russians did

 

[mangobob79]

Giving us land is just not going to work. First of all, how are you going to get people to GIVE up their land. Second of all, if you are a black person living in DC, Atlanta, LA, Houston, are you really going to want to re-settle your whole family on some piece of shit land in unincorporated Montana or some shit? I think not.

I'm for reparations but it is going to have to be more comprehensive than just giving black people a check and some land. What happens when that money runs out? We're right back at square one.

Also I think this frenzied movement to relabel ourselves ADOS is redundant for one, and I DO NOT want to self identify my people as SLAVES. We are much more than that. Its redundant because we can have reparation bills that explicitly define who it is for (african American descendants of the enslaved in America) without relabeling ourselves so some youtube hustler can sell us ADOS t-shirts and apparel.

Stop falling for the jig.

this is a pat of what im tryin to get folks to see, theres a movement to cause division n sow discord n hand republicans & WS more victories!
this^^

 

[Gods_Debris]

kumbaya my lord, kumbayaaaaa...

And here's this bitch trying to claim access to reparations already by saying all non whites should get it and it should only go back to the new deal in order to qualify.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/22/ocasio-cortez-reparations-germany/

yeeeeeah fuck her. I'm not opposed to justice being sought but I'll be damned if you forcibly coopt some shit.

 

[mangobob79]

Don’t be goofy. This is about resources that are owed to us. Nothing more.

has anyone u r arguing here on this board said resources are not owed?
has anyone here denied the justice claims ?

 

[AllUniverse17]

It ain't possible. I give credit where it's due. I only seen one thus far. Maybe two that spoke out in a way that said they are all for us getting our due. The rest are saying we are being xenophobic.

The problem with the whole affirmative action thing is that if we don't get some legal definition on who is eligible for reparations then just like affirmative action they will get it also. Also stop acting like immigrants and their children don't have access to those programs.

One maybe two???

Theres at least 3 of us just in this thread already. You a funny dude. Anything to push a bullshit narrative that does not exist.

And AGAIN, we are all for you guys being clearly defined so that you and only you get what is owed.

 

[Famous1]

This ADOS shit is just another attempt to split up black people in America and using the argument of "reparations" is bullshit because America WILL NOT pay black people reparations. This country is as racist as we've always known it was.

No need to argue over "who gets what" when NO ONE is getting shit.

I'd rather die trying bruh... warrior spirit.

 

[Famous1]

has anyone u r arguing here on this board said resources are not owed?
has anyone here denied the justice claims ?

So your argument is???

 

[mangobob79]

I will check him out...my post was just an FYI in case anybody thought people just showed up out of nowhere....reparations from the USA should go to Black Americans only....Jamaicans should request reparations from Britain (we did, they offered to build us a prison) , Haiti from France etc...anybody who is trying to fuck with ADOS and their rights to their own specific reparations from the USA is fuckery

but the fact is NOBODY BLACK (afrikan or carribbean immigrants)is tying to fuck with ADOS and their rights to their own specific reparations from the USA ,!

no afrikan or carribean immigrant is, theres no afrikan or caribbean group or concerted effort from a carribean or afrikan organization that is fighting against it,

so the narrative of hatred, xenophobia & outright lies by Yvettes & her ilk are disingenous and actually point to a more sinister ideology becos Yvette( misery merchant& cac coochie eating lesbian) uses bogus data and insinuation & outright lies to try to push her ideology of hatred for Pan_afrikanism, afrikan & carribean immigrants, thats why i stopped listenin to her & tonetalk

 

[YoungSinister]

has anyone u r arguing here on this board said resources are not owed?
has anyone here denied the justice claims ?

Im not sure what those questions have to do with my posts
Your parents must have done a shitty job of teaching you how to learn, because you process information in a very faulty way
Let this be the last time that you quote me

 

[mangobob79]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe the distinction of ADOS is for purposes of making a claim toward reparations from the United States.

you aint wrong , ure correct, and its not a new concept, Claude Anderson( who Yvette shitted on a while back) discussed this b4 any Yvette or tone appeared on the scene, others have pushed for & moved with the ideology , sandy darity etc & her comrades have even coined the ADOS in the 80s , no one is denying the distinctive claim by ADOACS , those voices r outright lies & fabricated like trump fabricates lies about dangerous distortions about isis immigrants & prayer rugs at the border to stoke fear & xenophobia

 

[Drayonis]

has anyone u r arguing here on this board said resources are not owed?
has anyone here denied the justice claims ?

No one is denying the money is owed. It is owed. I'm telling people this country (as it stands right now) will not pay it. So the argument from ADOS is bullshit and a waste of time. No is taking away from you something you are never going to get anyway.

 

[ankhheru]

One maybe two???

Theres at least 3 of us just in this thread already. You a funny dude. Anything to push a bullshit narrative that does not exist.

And AGAIN, we are all for you guys being clearly defined so that you and only you get what is owed.

OK. So I'll count you in. But here's the thing. Next time I rightfully express my lineage I'd appreciate it if you'd be a better ally and present your position from the jump. Just like I did. Anything else is subversive and I don't view that as an ally. I'm not here to push a xenophobic agenda. I got a right to express my culture just like you do. Yes we are all black but we all don't have similar historical backgrounds and those differences under this national context means that my people have a fight that we have yet to finish. Now you can either join or get on the sidelines but if you get in the way you will be viewed in the same light as those who stood my ancestors on the auction block. I can't be no clearer.

Take it how you want. If you are on the square and respect my right to exist and declare myself in the bloodline of a ADOS as I respect you then we got no problems and can fight a common enemy.

 

[mangobob79]

Im not sure what those questions have to do with my posts
Your parents must have done a shitty job of teaching you how to learn, because you process information in a very faulty way
Let this be the last time that you quote me

becos u wont admit or cant comprehend that ur lies n projections are weak!

u posted Godfrey quoting incidences of thoughts or ideas from couple idiotic afrikan & caribean coon immigrant with coonish mindsets (who are never named anyway) thats supposed to represent every afrikan & carribean immigrant here in america
so by that logic , i counter urs by askin if a few good whiteman also should represent that all racism is dead since a few decent cac men exist ?

comprehension is key !

yeah u can use ur ignore button if u dont wish to face the fire of ur ignorance! good day

 

[YoungSinister]

becos u wont admit or cant comprehend that ur lies n projections are weak!

u posted Godfrey quoting incidences of thoughts or ideas from couple idiotic afrikan & caribean coon immigrant with coonish mindsets (who are never named anyway) thats supposed to represent every afrikan & carribean immigrant here in america
so by that logic , i counter urs by askin if a few good whiteman also should represent that all racism is dead since a few decent cac men exist ?

comprehension is key !

yeah u can use ur ignore button if u dont wish to face the fire of ur ignorance! good day

Man who the fuck is Godfrey?
You’re rambling about some shit that I never said. Something is wrong with you

 

[mangobob79]

All of those black folks that aren't ADOS understand the ramifications of receiving reparations if we start attaching ADOS to reparations.

what ramifications ?

 

[ankhheru]

what ramifications ?

There's only one ramification to having reparations associated to ADOS. The pie doesn't get cut but one way.

 

[mangobob79]

I'm not a movement type person. Other than BLM, which I supported but didn't actually attend events, I'm just not built for following. I'll take wisdom from anyplace, but I don't assume that because someone is wise in one area they are wise in all things.

I don't have the patience to watch all those youtube videos, if it's not in written form, I normally don't seek it out. There are certain things that just stick out as red flags so I don't usually get caught up in the first place. Most black folks used to be the same way, certain words and triggers used to be an auto rejection, but there are actually groups out studying us and how we respond, and using things we agree upon to suck folks in before gradually changing to more divisive rhetoric.

I am all for putting black folks first, but any ideology telling me to concede power by not voting or voting in a way which will not keep those who are actively trying to harm us (the GOP) out of power is nonsense. Anything telling me I have to hate xyz to get ahead, or I can only win if xyz loses is division and the basis of WS used to fearmonger white folks, and I'm not for it. Anything that tells me I can't have compassion for others or speak out against hate and injustice because the target isn't a black person, all the while expecting outside groups to have compassion for us and do right by us, is nonesense.

I don't want to turn into my oppressor. I don't want to see black people with callous hearts. We can look out for ourselves and stand against hate in all forms at the same time. It's not an either or situation.

I'm not against reparations, but whether or not we ever get them, there is other work that needs to take place at the same time. If black folks want the backing of politicians for stuff like this, we need to PAY to play like the other groups do. We don't financially back candidates en masse. Hell we can't even agree on candidates. Ppl are looking for perfection that doesn't exist.

I can find a superpac, multiples, for every issue or group that folks on here complain about making progress. Women. LGBTQ. Immigrants. Last I searched, I found one superpac for black issues, and I couldn't find a way to donate or detailed info. We want to hate the players, but don't want to learn or play the game. If we want the results others get, we have to organize, lobby and spend like other groups. Politicians see us showing up as begging instead of demanding our money's worth. Even when it comes to just voting we don't use our votes properly when it can make a difference, during primaries. In the general it's too late if we don't want the GOP to maintain power and strip our rights and protections when they have it.

EXACTLY MY SENTIMENT! this all day !
but sometimes i just see shit so obviously setup to take advantage of black folks that i feel i need to get involved in the conversation at every turn to help steer the convo in right direction where my black people dont lose, becos the bs xenophobia bs distractions only help to do one thing and thats to keep the WS winning !

 

[mangobob79]

There's only one ramification to having reparations associated to ADOS. The pie doesn't get cut but one way.

im tryin to understand ur thinkin bruh, okay , now i asked simply, what ramifications ?,
are there any group or organizations of foreign blacks that are organizing & saying REPARATIONS SHOULDN'T BE EXCLUSIVELY FOR ADOS in the US?

 

[Drayonis]

I'm not a movement type person. Other than BLM, which I supported but didn't actually attend events, I'm just not built for following. I'll take wisdom from anyplace, but I don't assume that because someone is wise in one area they are wise in all things.

I don't have the patience to watch all those youtube videos, if it's not in written form, I normally don't seek it out. There are certain things that just stick out as red flags so I don't usually get caught up in the first place. Most black folks used to be the same way, certain words and triggers used to be an auto rejection, but there are actually groups out studying us and how we respond, and using things we agree upon to suck folks in before gradually changing to more divisive rhetoric.

I am all for putting black folks first, but any ideology telling me to concede power by not voting or voting in a way which will not keep those who are actively trying to harm us (the GOP) out of power is nonsense. Anything telling me I have to hate xyz to get ahead, or I can only win if xyz loses is division and the basis of WS used to fearmonger white folks, and I'm not for it. Anything that tells me I can't have compassion for others or speak out against hate and injustice because the target isn't a black person, all the while expecting outside groups to have compassion for us and do right by us, is nonesense.

I don't want to turn into my oppressor. I don't want to see black people with callous hearts. We can look out for ourselves and stand against hate in all forms at the same time. It's not an either or situation.

I'm not against reparations, but whether or not we ever get them, there is other work that needs to take place at the same time. If black folks want the backing of politicians for stuff like this, we need to PAY to play like the other groups do. We don't financially back candidates en masse. Hell we can't even agree on candidates. Ppl are looking for perfection that doesn't exist.

I can find a superpac, multiples, for every issue or group that folks on here complain about making progress. Women. LGBTQ. Immigrants. Last I searched, I found one superpac for black issues, and I couldn't find a way to donate or detailed info. We want to hate the players, but don't want to learn or play the game. If we want the results others get, we have to organize, lobby and spend like other groups. Politicians see us showing up as begging instead of demanding our money's worth. Even when it comes to just voting we don't use our votes properly when it can make a difference, during primaries. In the general it's too late if we don't want the GOP to maintain power and strip our rights and protections when they have it.

Powerful impact BOOM from the Cannon!

 

[mangobob79]

This ADOS shit is just another attempt to split up black people in America and using the argument of "reparations" is bullshit because America WILL NOT pay black people reparations. This country is as racist as we've always known it was.

No need to argue over "who gets what" when NO ONE is getting shit.

i dont have a problem with reparations n justice claim for ADOS, my main issue with the current leaders of those thoughts on YT(Yvette "misery merchant" Carnell & Tonetalk "legal analyst") , not in real life anwyay.
besides the ideology aint new or whatever , its just reparations repackaged as some new idea,
my main issue was with the xenophobic tone it took , its as if folks feel they cant fight for ADOS justice claim without xenophobia against black immigrants ,
like they were waitin for an opportunity to flex their WS xenophobic tendencies on carribean & afrikan immigrants to make themselves feel better as everyone likes to shit on afrikan immigrants anyway

 

[Camille]

EXACTLY MY SENTIMENT! this all day !
but sometimes i just see shit so obviously setup to take advantage of black folks that i feel i need to get involved in the conversation at every turn to help steer the convo in right direction where my black people dont lose, becos the bs xenophobia bs distractions only help to do one thing and thats to keep the WS winning !

I agree. Slavery is one of the sins of America that no one wants to discuss. They want to act like issues we face in our communities are character defects and not the result of systemic oppression that still continues in many ways today. With our history, imo, black folks should be the conscience of America, the first ones to speak out against injustice.

The caging of kids and tearing apart of families? After our families were destroyed? We should have been speaking out AND AT THE SAME TIME drawing attention to the harm done to us and the effects we are STILL dealing with. We don't speak from a place of power, we speak from victimhood.

As long as that continues, we will continue to be treated like shit because there are some who get a perverse satisfaction out of keeping people down just to feel better about themselves. We have a opportunity to advocate for what is good and right, AND help ourselves at the same time.

This is not the only discussion board I'm on. We are always viewed as asking for handouts that others see as undeserved. Even when it comes to voting rights, we have a few fighters like Stacey Abraham's and Rev Barber who do it from a position of power, but most don't. It's always seen as something we don't deserve, that we aren't fully American.

We have to change the narrative and I don't think that ignoring the mistreatment of others is the way to do it. How is this any different from white folks who ignore and dismiss our pain and suffering, who say we need to just deal with it? We should be the moral authority in this country when it comes to civil rights. Everything from crime to the conditions of our neighborhoods can be tied back to slavery and Jim crow laws designed to keep us down. The fact it didn't destroy us is a miracle.

 

[mangobob79]

*QUOTING MYSELF FROM ANOTHER THREAD ON THIS TOPIC*

Although I support Black Americans and their movement to classify themselves as a special group who's owed justice and compensation, I fear their approach towards it is further dividing the diaspora. Nonetheless, Black Americans are right on this issue. They have been and are being given the short end of the stick.

As someone who identifies as Afro-Carribean, I do very well to relate to both sides and stay neutral from divisive and separatists ideologies as it does not advanced the greater fight against systemic white supremacy. I do, however, think that my Afro-American brothers and sisters raise good points regarding their case for being a special group whose struggles and needs warrant special attention and care, but some are doing it from a place that creates division rather than unity across the diaspora. As for Native born Africans, they must learn about the struggles of Black Americans and respect the fact that the opportunities being given to them or any form other of advancement is a direct byproduct of the Civil Rights Movement.

This is a brother who gets it.

Hmm...

Is it possible that you are misinterpreting the "undertones" because theres a heavy anti-immigrant narrative being pushed right now?

Cause Im reading the same shit you are and most if not all of us on BGOL said we would ride with you for you to get reparations, and that we agree with the premise that ADOS are the ones who are entitled to it.

Also, just so i know, how does one voluntarily take advantage of affirmative action programs? Or even avoid taking advantage of it? Id like to know how please.

It ain't possible. I give credit where it's due. I only seen one thus far. Maybe two that spoke out in a way that said they are all for us getting our due. The rest are saying we are being xenophobic.

The problem with the whole affirmative action thing is that if we don't get some legal definition on who is eligible for reparations then just like affirmative action they will get it also. Also stop acting like immigrants and their children don't have access to those programs.

okay @ankhheru it seems u might be one of the few who might get a sense of what we @APOPHIS , @AllUniverse17 and @Camille and others are saying.. which is the current movement has taken a xenophobic undertone

i have asked again & again, do u have proof of groups or organizations (not some lone guy somewhere or couple coons online)of immigrant foreign black folks saying they arent for ADOACS getting specifically designated BENEFITS for ADOACS?

i have family on both sides of the divide so i usually have a very nuanced view of these things..
most foreign blacks (ok, 99% , theres always the coons Sheriff clarkes etc in every movement) agree with reparations "SPECIFICALLY" for native blacks DOACS and that they are owed and dont have a problem with saying ADOACS should get specific designation that would specifically benefit only ADOACS JUST LIKE THE NATIVE AMERICANS GET etc,

what u 're not seeing is us saying the current movement has taken a xenophobic undertone which undermines us as a whole black diaspora movement ( why Yvette & Tone ties anti- pan-afrikanism & hateful anti-afrikan & caribbean immigrant narrative into her ideology for justice claim )and that its hard for us to understand being pan-afrikanist and knowing how agents infiltrate legit movements that seek to empower black folks to cause further divisions

 

[slewdem100]

No one is denying the money is owed. It is owed. I'm telling people this country (as it stands right now) will not pay it. So the argument from ADOS is bullshit and a waste of time. No is taking away from you something you are never going to get anyway.

Reparations should be one of many strategies and objectives...they should certainly try to get it....I agree that there is too much debate focused on making sure non ADOS dont get any of something that is currently non existent ..Mello Mello tried to steer the conversation in the right direction...how do you get reparations and what to do with success or failure of this is the issue....making sure only ADOS get the benefits is an administrative issue and is really not worthy of all this energy at this time....also there should be a lot of debate on compiling a consensus list of what Black America expects from a candidate it throws its support behind....there are different lists out there but I dont hear nearly as much debate on the content of these lists as I should

 

[AllUniverse17]

OK. So I'll count you in. But here's the thing. Next time I rightfully express my lineage I'd appreciate it if you'd be a better ally and present your position from the jump. Just like I did. Anything else is subversive and I don't view that as an ally. I'm not here to push a xenophobic agenda. I got a right to express my culture just like you do. Yes we are all black but we all don't have similar historical backgrounds and those differences under this national context means that my people have a fight that we have yet to finish. Now you can either join or get on the sidelines but if you get in the way you will be viewed in the same light as those who stood my ancestors on the auction block. I can't be no clearer.

Take it how you want. If you are on the square and respect my right to exist and declare myself in the bloodline of a ADOS as I respect you then we got no problems and can fight a common enemy.

Dude.

This is literally my 2nd post in this thread:

Again, for the record, I would do my best to help ADOS get reperations in any way I can.

I see fear tactics being pushed along in the movement so thatIm speaking against that but other then that, Im all for it.

Ya'll can chill with the anti-immigrant narrative. We on your side. I consider you family. You do have unfinished business as it pertains to what is owed in America. Keep pushing for it. The truth is you dont need to shit on people to define yourselves. You dont need to push false narratives to define yourselves. If you believed in your cause you wouldnt get in this bullshit.

 

[ArsenalCannon357]

*QUOTING MYSELF FROM ANOTHER THREAD ON THIS TOPIC*

Although I support Black Americans and their movement to classify themselves as a special group who's owed justice and compensation, I fear their approach towards it is further dividing the diaspora. Nonetheless, Black Americans are right on this issue. They have been and are being given the short end of the stick.

As someone who identifies as Afro-Carribean, I do very well to relate to both sides and stay neutral from divisive and separatists ideologies as it does not advanced the greater fight against systemic white supremacy. I do, however, think that my Afro-American brothers and sisters raise good points regarding their case for being a special group whose struggles and needs warrant special attention and care, but some are doing it from a place that creates division rather than unity across the diaspora. As for Native born Africans, they must learn about the struggles of Black Americans and respect the fact that the opportunities being given to them or any form other of advancement is a direct byproduct of the Civil Rights Movement.

 

[mangobob79]

Some of what she says is true, but alot of what she says is purely narrative driven BS.

and people take it as gospel but we all know, if u want to deceive people u gotta throw some truths in there to rope em in and gain their confidence

 

[mangobob79]

Which is why voting, and running for office, and passing incremental improvements for black people who suffered under Jim Crow is the best way to proceed. Remove roadblocks and promoting avenues of success

again ^^^ this ^^ but the way our current strategy is, it'll only keep splitting the votes n givin WS the upper hand by default everytime,!
unless we become more strategic with our movement & plans , becos at the end of the day short of an armed revolution , reparation for ADOS will only happen thru an act of congress and the government but if u have nobody IN THE GOVERNMENT then u dont even have a starting point

 

[mangobob79]

Which is why voting, and running for office, and passing incremental improvements for black people who suffered under Jim Crow is the best way to proceed. Remove roadblocks and promoting avenues of success

nothing happens w/o group economics.... everything you posted is the same old smoke they have blowing up the asses of black people since revoking the military field order that gave former slaves 40 acres and a mule- reneging on a promises made during the civil war

And without government protection, equal opportunity under the law, and proper recourse to fight wrongs, it makes it an unnecessary uphill battle.

Plus you need both.

exactly example THE JEWS IN GERMANY

 

[ankhheru]

im tryin to understand ur thinkin bruh, okay , now i asked simply, what ramifications ?,
are there any group or organizations of foreign blacks that are organizing & saying REPARATIONS SHOULDN'T BE EXCLUSIVELY FOR ADOS in the US?

That Puerto Rican New York senator is trying to tie reparations to the new deal and all non whites. That's a no for me dawg.

 

[ankhheru]

Dude.

This is literally my 2nd post in this thread:



Ya'll can chill with the anti-immigrant narrative. We on your side. I consider you family. You do have unfinished business as it pertains to what is owed in America. Keep pushing for it. The truth is you dont need to shit on people to define yourselves. You dont need to push false narratives to define yourselves. If you believed in your cause you wouldnt get in this bullshit.

That's your own personal thing going on if you see it that way. Not mine and I can't be worried about that. I can only be real with you and play my cards face up. What you do with that and how you take it is up to you. I wouldn't go into your home and take offense to your views and customs because I don't know your history and how you do what you do. I can only try and understand you and rock with it. Like I said bruh I ain't your enemy. I'm not xenophobic. I don't tip toe either in my own home. Just like you don't.

 

[ankhheru]

How is it anti pan African to be pro ADOS? Even in African nations people are separated by tribes, cultures and ethnic groups. Globally melanated people are recognized by tribes, cultures and ethnic groups. Yet when it comes to the United States it's considered xenophobic to even think about the idea only when ADOS is concerned. What's wrong with this picture?

 

[ankhheru]

Black people immigrate to America and still place the flag of their nation on their cars, homes, tattoos, clothes. But when ADOS decide we want to be become our own cultural group we are xenophobic. Tell that to the Jamaican that waves his flag on his bumper or the hatian. Or the ganian or Ethiopian.

 

[AllUniverse17]

That Puerto Rican New York senator is trying to tie reparations to the new deal and all non whites. That's a no for me dawg.

Thats gonna be a no for me too.

 

[mangobob79]

I wouldn't get a penny from any US reparations to descendants of slaves, but I would fight for it to happen because its right and I believe that infusion of capital would improve the communities I live in, in similar manner to how the New Deal created a real middle class in America

A lot of non ADOS blacks in this country don't see things in this light. They may not openly say it but they don't because they see that penny as something they can benefit from. In fact one of the biggest arguments put forth with no bases what so ever is that it will create xenophobia among blacks in this country but in their own countries they identify by different ethnic and cultural groups instead of calling themselves black. They come here and still identify themselves by their ethnic and cultural groups and even do commerce and social dealings based on those beliefs even while living among ADOS people. It's a double standard and it's rooted in being able to grab those pennies if and when reparations are allotted out. They know it but they refuse to speak the truth.

"A lot of non ADOS blacks in this country"
do u have an idea of the percentage when u say "ALOT " 5% , 10%, 50% , 90%?

becos i beg to differ , being a part of both communities i strongly beg to differ , what u believe to be true is different from what is true, hearsay and what u might read in some corners of the internets or from YT pundits doesnt make anything true, there's alot of misinformation being thrown into this sphere right now,

Yvette (who i used to be a fan of until i really got into her ideology & started noticin the growing xenophobia & anti-immigrant talk) if u watch & follow from her video & commentaries have been very anti-diaspora immigrants,( thats where the claims of xenophobia have come from and lots of folks r noticing it ,
its not "WITHOUT BASES" as u claim AND NOT BASED UPON A FALSE PREMISE

its very clear in her videos & how she hates & tried to discredit the pan-afrikan movements,

we dont need to create non-existent anti-DOACS scenarios as a prerequisite to push for reparations for DOACS its not necessary

u say : "in their own countries they identify by different ethnic and cultural groups instead of calling themselves black"

i say : identifying as u or ur parent's ethnic tribe is not xenophobia

u say : They come here and still identify themselves by their ethnic and cultural groups and even do commerce and social dealings based on those beliefs even while living among ADOS people:

i say : can u give me some examples of this and also factor in how any group practices group economics based on ethnicity tribe , geography, common interest like even a sports team or religion or sex is different from what u claim they do

creating false narrative to gin up fear of & demonizing other tribes is xenophobia

and u bring up a good point of how affirmative action is currently being used by everyone and thats a good example ,
which is why i try to use DOACS instead of DOS becos DOS can be claimed by different classification of people (native americans, some mexicans, even the irish at a point can argue their indentured servitude was "slavery" but no one can claim CHATTEL SLAVERY in america but descendent of american enslaved afrikans in amerika becos thats how affirmative action got taken over