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ScottyPiffen745 said:
Not even going to bother to try to finish the story before online comes out next week. I'm still at 47% of the story after three weeks.




Like in GTA when you're driving and the NPC cars just suddenly start to subtly drive into you.

I think the pedestrians in Saint Denis be on that same shit, too.
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There's still no trailer. There's a good chance that they're gonna push the online date back.
 
ScottyPiffen745 said:
Like in GTA when you're driving and the NPC cars just suddenly start to subtly drive into you.

I think the pedestrians in Saint Denis be on that same shit, too.
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it’s happened to me a few times w/ NPC riders on horses in saint denis...where the person in front of me is moving slow...I speed up and just when I’m about to pass them they do one of those sharp ass “tron” turns out of nowhere...we both get knocked off our horses and then fuckery ensues...it happened enough that I eventually decided to just ride the train there lol or I’d ride my horse to the outskirts of town...hitch it and just go about on foot lol
 
RoomService said:
Everybody knows Abigail was the camp whore and JM seeded that hoe up...
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And that makes him a better man.

LSN said:
it’s happened to me a few times w/ NPC riders on horses in saint denis...where the person in front of me is moving slow...I speed up and just when I’m about to pass them they do one of those sharp ass “tron” turns out of nowhere...we both get knocked off our horses and then fuckery ensues...it happened enough that I eventually decided to just ride the train there lol or I’d ride my horse to the outskirts of town...hitch it and just go about on foot lol
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:lol: @ "fuckery ensues"

chrislee said:
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This is what happened in Alabama a couple of days ago.
 
I think RDR2 did a disservice to John Marston.

- When I played the first RDR, I had the feeling that John was this bad-ass honorable ex-outlaw but RDR2 kind of makes him out to be the fuck up of the group.

- I don't like how they let Abigail run all over him. She fucked everyone in the gang and she had the nerves to treat John like he wasn't shit most of the time.

- I also think they should have spent more time vilifying Bill and Javier, knowing that John has to kill them a few years after RDR2 ends. Playing RDR and not knowing the full back story you just figure that Bill and Javier were big assholes or more evil outlaws than John (raping women, killing kids, etc.). Therefore you don't think twice about having to kill them to get your ungrateful ass family back. However, after you get to see that the only difference between Bill, Javier, and John is that John seeded up and wifed a whore which allowed the government to use his family to do their bidding; it doesn't make John seem as noble as I thought he was when I first played RDR. What if Arthur had lived or if Charles hadn't escaped to Canada, would John have just as easily killed them as well?

- This may be nitpicking but I think Rockstar messed up the continuity of the story with the whole, "The gang left John for dead during the final train robbery." Bill was on the train when John got shot, so John can't say that Bill left him for dead. However, the first conversation outside of Fort Mercer in RDR John claims that Bill left him for dead during the train robbery.

- Finally, Dutch shouldn't have been in the scene where they finally hunt down Micah because that interaction changes the dynamic between John and Dutch and it pretty much ruins all the dialog between John and Dutch in RDR. John can't really hold on to the, "Dutch left him for dead" grudge when Dutch ends up making amends by shooting Micah and pretty much saving John's and Sadie's life.
 
Solomon said:
I think RDR2 did a disservice to John Marston.

- When I played the first RDR, I had the feeling that John was this bad-ass honorable ex-outlaw but RDR2 kind of makes him out to be the fuck up of the group.

- I don't like how they let Abigail run all over him. She fucked everyone in the gang and she had the nerves to treat John like he wasn't shit most of the time.

- I also think they should have spent more time vilifying Bill and Javier, knowing that John has to kill them a few years after RDR2 ends. Playing RDR and not knowing the full back story you just figure that Bill and Javier were big assholes or more evil outlaws than John (raping women, killing kids, etc.). Therefore you don't think twice about having to kill them to get your ungrateful ass family back. However, after you get to see that the only difference between Bill, Javier, and John is that John seeded up and wifed a whore which allowed the government to use his family to do their bidding; it doesn't make John seem as noble as I thought he was when I first played RDR. What if Arthur had lived or if Charles hadn't escaped to Canada, would John have just as easily killed them as well?

- This may be nitpicking but I think Rockstar messed up the continuity of the story with the whole, "The gang left John for dead during the final train robbery." Bill was on the train when John got shot, so John can't say that Bill left him for dead. However, the first conversation outside of Fort Mercer in RDR John claims that Bill left him for dead during the train robbery.

- Finally, Dutch shouldn't have been in the scene where they finally hunt down Micah because that interaction changes the dynamic between John and Dutch and it pretty much ruins all the dialog between John and Dutch in RDR. John can't really hold on to the, "Dutch left him for dead" grudge when Dutch ends up making amends by shooting Micah and pretty much saving John's and Sadie's life.
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I didn’t complete the first one...interesting points tho
 
Solomon said:
I think RDR2 did a disservice to John Marston.

- When I played the first RDR, I had the feeling that John was this bad-ass honorable ex-outlaw but RDR2 kind of makes him out to be the fuck up of the group.

- I don't like how they let Abigail run all over him. She fucked everyone in the gang and she had the nerves to treat John like he wasn't shit most of the time.

- I also think they should have spent more time vilifying Bill and Javier, knowing that John has to kill them a few years after RDR2 ends. Playing RDR and not knowing the full back story you just figure that Bill and Javier were big assholes or more evil outlaws than John (raping women, killing kids, etc.). Therefore you don't think twice about having to kill them to get your ungrateful ass family back. However, after you get to see that the only difference between Bill, Javier, and John is that John seeded up and wifed a whore which allowed the government to use his family to do their bidding; it doesn't make John seem as noble as I thought he was when I first played RDR. What if Arthur had lived or if Charles hadn't escaped to Canada, would John have just as easily killed them as well?

- This may be nitpicking but I think Rockstar messed up the continuity of the story with the whole, "The gang left John for dead during the final train robbery." Bill was on the train when John got shot, so John can't say that Bill left him for dead. However, the first conversation outside of Fort Mercer in RDR John claims that Bill left him for dead during the train robbery.

- Finally, Dutch shouldn't have been in the scene where they finally hunt down Micah because that interaction changes the dynamic between John and Dutch and it pretty much ruins all the dialog between John and Dutch in RDR. John can't really hold on to the, "Dutch left him for dead" grudge when Dutch ends up making amends by shooting Micah and pretty much saving John's and Sadie's life.
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Yeah I gotta agree with you on all points.
At no point did they make Bill & Javier out to be the villains that deserved to be tracked down. Sure they did side with Dutch and tried to put a bullet in John's head. Bill & Javier were still outlaws and and needed to be put down. I guess it you look at it as John became the righteous man who got out of the outlaw life and made an honorable living and was able to love a woman who was a known whore previously. Dutch really didn't need to be on that mountain. Maybe shooting Micah was the last bit of humanity Dutch had left or something was cut out and R* felt that if you got the bad ending it was a way of giving Micah his just deserts.

Another way to look at it is John's redemption. Wanting to run away from his responsibilities as a man and later on maning up and being a husband & father along with retribution for Authur.
 
chrislee said:
Yeah I gotta agree with you on all points.
At no point did they make Bill & Javier out to be the villains that deserved to be tracked down. Sure they did side with Dutch and tried to put a bullet in John's head. Bill & Javier were still outlaws and and needed to be put down. I guess it you look at it as John became the righteous man who got out of the outlaw life and made an honorable living and was able to love a woman who was a known whore previously. Dutch really didn't need to be on that mountain. Maybe shooting Micah was the last bit of humanity Dutch had left or something was cut out and R* felt that if you got the bad ending it was a way of giving Micah his just deserts.

Another way to look at it is John's redemption. Wanting to run away from his responsibilities as a man and later on maning up and being a husband & father along with retribution for Authur.
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There is dialog in the game that doesn't match what actually happened. On the mountain Dutch says, "You shot at me" if you talk to him long enough, which isn't the case. No one (from the gang) tries to kill each other in the scene where John returns from the train robbery (accept Micah killing Ms. Susan Grimshaw). Maybe the storyline would have had better continuity if there was an actual shootout between the gang where Dutch, Micah, Bill, and Javier were on one side and Arthur and John were on the other just prior to the Pinkerton ambush. However, the only thing you get out of the scene where John returns is Micah killing Susan and Micah, Bill and Javier deciding to stick with Dutch. However at no point did anyone shoot at anyone else during that interaction because they were interrupted and attacked by the Pinkerton gang during their Mexican standoff and John and Arthur ran into the caves at that point. No one really knows what would have happened had it not been for the Pinkerton attack.

I feel like R* tried to give you a complete stand-alone ending with RDR2 by having Micah being the bad guy that gets what he deserves in the end, Dutch gets to walk away with some redeeming qualities after shooting Micah, and Bill and Javier become footnotes to the RDR2 ending. It's like they totally forgot that John is going to end up tracking down and killing Bill and Javier, and that Dutch tries to kill John on sight every time he sees him from now on. Dutch even shoots John the first time he sees him in RDR, although it is from so far of a distance that it doesn't kill him. They pretty much ruined the storyline of RDR for the sake of wrapping things up in RDR2. The OG RDR players know what happens next and everyone else can either play RDR after finishing RDR2 or go on YouTube to see how things played out with Bill, Javier, Dutch and John.

You should want to play RDR again after finishing RDR2, but after the way they ended RDR2 I kind off feel like John got what he deserved at the end of RDR. He turned his back on his former homeboys that were really no worse than he was by hunting them down and killing them for the government. Why wouldn't he expect that the government would merk him once he'd taken out the remainder of his old crew?
 
Solomon said:
I think RDR2 did a disservice to John Marston.

- When I played the first RDR, I had the feeling that John was this bad-ass honorable ex-outlaw but RDR2 kind of makes him out to be the fuck up of the group.

- I don't like how they let Abigail run all over him. She fucked everyone in the gang and she had the nerves to treat John like he wasn't shit most of the time.

- I also think they should have spent more time vilifying Bill and Javier, knowing that John has to kill them a few years after RDR2 ends. Playing RDR and not knowing the full back story you just figure that Bill and Javier were big assholes or more evil outlaws than John (raping women, killing kids, etc.). Therefore you don't think twice about having to kill them to get your ungrateful ass family back. However, after you get to see that the only difference between Bill, Javier, and John is that John seeded up and wifed a whore which allowed the government to use his family to do their bidding; it doesn't make John seem as noble as I thought he was when I first played RDR. What if Arthur had lived or if Charles hadn't escaped to Canada, would John have just as easily killed them as well?

- This may be nitpicking but I think Rockstar messed up the continuity of the story with the whole, "The gang left John for dead during the final train robbery." Bill was on the train when John got shot, so John can't say that Bill left him for dead. However, the first conversation outside of Fort Mercer in RDR John claims that Bill left him for dead during the train robbery.

- Finally, Dutch shouldn't have been in the scene where they finally hunt down Micah because that interaction changes the dynamic between John and Dutch and it pretty much ruins all the dialog between John and Dutch in RDR. John can't really hold on to the, "Dutch left him for dead" grudge when Dutch ends up making amends by shooting Micah and pretty much saving John's and Sadie's life.
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chrislee said:
Yeah I gotta agree with you on all points.
At no point did they make Bill & Javier out to be the villains that deserved to be tracked down. Sure they did side with Dutch and tried to put a bullet in John's head. Bill & Javier were still outlaws and and needed to be put down. I guess it you look at it as John became the righteous man who got out of the outlaw life and made an honorable living and was able to love a woman who was a known whore previously. Dutch really didn't need to be on that mountain. Maybe shooting Micah was the last bit of humanity Dutch had left or something was cut out and R* felt that if you got the bad ending it was a way of giving Micah his just deserts.

Another way to look at it is John's redemption. Wanting to run away from his responsibilities as a man and later on maning up and being a husband & father along with retribution for Authur.
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Solomon said:
There is dialog in the game that doesn't match what actually happened. On the mountain Dutch says, "You shot at me" if you talk to him long enough, which isn't the case. No one (from the gang) tries to kill each other in the scene where John returns from the train robbery (accept Micah killing Ms. Susan Grimshaw). Maybe the storyline would have had better continuity if there was an actual shootout between the gang where Dutch, Micah, Bill, and Javier were on one side and Arthur and John were on the other just prior to the Pinkerton ambush. However, the only thing you get out of the scene where John returns is Micah killing Susan and Micah, Bill and Javier deciding to stick with Dutch. However at no point did anyone shoot at anyone else during that interaction because they were interrupted and attacked by the Pinkerton gang during their Mexican standoff and John and Arthur ran into the caves at that point. No one really knows what would have happened had it not been for the Pinkerton attack.

I feel like R* tried to give you a complete stand-alone ending with RDR2 by having Micah being the bad guy that gets what he deserves in the end, Dutch gets to walk away with some redeeming qualities after shooting Micah, and Bill and Javier become footnotes to the RDR2 ending. It's like they totally forgot that John is going to end up tracking down and killing Bill and Javier, and that Dutch tries to kill John on sight every time he sees him from now on. Dutch even shoots John the first time he sees him in RDR, although it is from so far of a distance that it doesn't kill him. They pretty much ruined the storyline of RDR for the sake of wrapping things up in RDR2. The OG RDR players know what happens next and everyone else can either play RDR after finishing RDR2 or go on YouTube to see how things played out with Bill, Javier, Dutch and John.

You should want to play RDR again after finishing RDR2, but after the way they ended RDR2 I kind off feel like John got what he deserved at the end of RDR. He turned his back on his former homeboys that were really no worse than he was by hunting them down and killing them for the government. Why wouldn't he expect that the government would merk him once he'd taken out the remainder of his old crew?
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Clearly, there was a degree of retconning going on with the story. Arthur Morgan isn't even mentioned in RDR1.

This can become a good convo but I'd prefer it we move it to a separate thread. These spoiler tags are annoying and are bound to fuck up the story for ppl who haven't or won't finish the main story. And I want to counter some of what you're saying, especially concerning John, because I think you're overlooking a critical point.
 
question...in the epilogue when you go to buy the pre-cut house...the guy “shows” you what it looks like but there’s nothing there to look @ ...it’s like he’s pointing to nothing lol...just wanted to know if that was a common glitch for others or just me
 
Solomon said:
There is dialog in the game that doesn't match what actually happened. On the mountain Dutch says, "You shot at me" if you talk to him long enough, which isn't the case. No one (from the gang) tries to kill each other in the scene where John returns from the train robbery (accept Micah killing Ms. Susan Grimshaw). Maybe the storyline would have had better continuity if there was an actual shootout between the gang where Dutch, Micah, Bill, and Javier were on one side and Arthur and John were on the other just prior to the Pinkerton ambush. However, the only thing you get out of the scene where John returns is Micah killing Susan and Micah, Bill and Javier deciding to stick with Dutch. However at no point did anyone shoot at anyone else during that interaction because they were interrupted and attacked by the Pinkerton gang during their Mexican standoff and John and Arthur ran into the caves at that point. No one really knows what would have happened had it not been for the Pinkerton attack.

I feel like R* tried to give you a complete stand-alone ending with RDR2 by having Micah being the bad guy that gets what he deserves in the end, Dutch gets to walk away with some redeeming qualities after shooting Micah, and Bill and Javier become footnotes to the RDR2 ending. It's like they totally forgot that John is going to end up tracking down and killing Bill and Javier, and that Dutch tries to kill John on sight every time he sees him from now on. Dutch even shoots John the first time he sees him in RDR, although it is from so far of a distance that it doesn't kill him. They pretty much ruined the storyline of RDR for the sake of wrapping things up in RDR2. The OG RDR players know what happens next and everyone else can either play RDR after finishing RDR2 or go on YouTube to see how things played out with Bill, Javier, Dutch and John.

You should want to play RDR again after finishing RDR2, but after the way they ended RDR2 I kind off feel like John got what he deserved at the end of RDR. He turned his back on his former homeboys that were really no worse than he was by hunting them down and killing them for the government. Why wouldn't he expect that the government would merk him once he'd taken out the remainder of his old crew?
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Rockstars should re release 50% of Red Dead as a DLC for Red Dead 2
 
RoomService said:
Rockstars should re release 50% of Red Dead as a DLC for Red Dead 2
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it’s under $10 if you have gold...I’m surprised tho they didn’t package it w/ RDR2 like bethesda did w/ fallout 4 and 3...speaking of wishlists they need to hurry up and make max payne 3 backwards compatible
 
LSN said:
it’s under $10 if you have gold...I’m surprised tho they didn’t package it w/ RDR2 like bethesda did w/ fallout 4 and 3...speaking of wishlists they need to hurry up and make max payne 3 backwards compatible
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I was talking about a remake of the of the original and integrate the content into RD2... we already have most of the territories from the original game in RD2
 
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LSN said:
question...in the epilogue when you go to buy the pre-cut house...the guy “shows” you what it looks like but there’s nothing there to look @ ...it’s like he’s pointing to nothing lol...just wanted to know if that was a common glitch for others or just me
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ok...the catalogue showed up when I went to look @ a barn lol
 
VAiz4hustlaz said:
Clearly, there was a degree of retconning going on with the story. Arthur Morgan isn't even mentioned in RDR1.

This can become a good convo but I'd prefer it we move it to a separate thread. These spoiler tags are annoying and are bound to fuck up the story for ppl who haven't or won't finish the main story. And I want to counter some of what you're saying, especially concerning John, because I think you're overlooking a critical point.
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Then create the spoiler discussion thread.
 
RoomService said:
I was talking about a remake of the of the original and integrate the content into RD2... we already have most of the territories from the original game in RD2
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Saw people asking for it on the Reddit sub. Said they would pay full price $60 for a RDR 1 add on DLC. Can't imagine it would take too much other than updating some characters models. I'll rather have the cowboys and aliens DLC I talked posted about.

Everyone wants to be able to play as Authur again. So give us a DLC and bring back Lenny, Shaun, & Horsea. Let Authur settle down with Mary or even Saddie at the end of the dlc.
 
chrislee said:
Saw people asking for it on the Reddit sub. Said they would pay full price $60 for a RDR 1 add on DLC. Can't imagine it would take too much other than updating some characters models. I'll rather have the cowboys and aliens DLC I talked posted about.

Everyone wants to be able to play as Authur again. So give us a DLC and bring back Lenny, Shaun, & Horsea. Let Authur settle down with Mary or even Saddie at the end of the dlc.
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I don’t know about $60...
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I'm thinking $20
 
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LSN said:
no it’s definitely not an ending...I thought it was @ the time when I saw the video bcuz I was in chapter 4...I can’t find the vid again so I was just trying to wonder what it is in relation to...it looked like a passenger liner they were getting on and this person had arthur dressed in a long red tailcoat...it wasn’t the mission were he played poker on the boat
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I finally realized the video I saw was of the port in blackwater...I seen the port last nite while playing but there was no ship there @ the time but I remembered the area...still strange tho bcuz arthur couldn’t have made it that deep into blackwater cuz the town was still in lockdown while he was alive...wish I could find that clip again
 
VAiz4hustlaz said:
Clearly, there was a degree of retconning going on with the story. Arthur Morgan isn't even mentioned in RDR1.

This can become a good convo but I'd prefer it we move it to a separate thread. These spoiler tags are annoying and are bound to fuck up the story for ppl who haven't or won't finish the main story. And I want to counter some of what you're saying, especially concerning John, because I think you're overlooking a critical point.
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We all know why Arthur isn't mentioned in RDR. No one knew it would be as successful as it was so no one thought about the idea of a sequel or prequel at the time. They had to come up with a new protagonist. I'm good with that. My critiques were about them ruining the storyline of RDR throughout RDR2. Start the thread and let's discuss it.
 
LSN said:
Red Dead Online’s beta starts tomorrow

https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/26/18112314/red-dead-redemption-2-online-beta-release-date-ps4-xbox
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‘Those who purchased the “ultimate edition” of the game will have access to the Red Dead Online beta starting on Tuesday, November 27th, and on Wednesday, it will open up to anyone who played Red Dead Redemption 2 when it launched on October 26th. On Thursday, anyone who played the game between October 26th and 29th can access the beta, and it will finally open up to everyone on Friday, November 30th.’

I should easily finish the epilogue today...guess I’ll save the hunting and shit for online
 

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