Question for African Americans and Black people from different countries..
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We shouldn't have to realize that, all we have to do is realize who we are and it is game over.
I don't know of many Caribbean folks who think they are better than Black Americans... I know a few folks who think they are better than anybody but a stuck up bitch is a stuck up bitch in any culture
There are little beefs within the caribbean community but they are tiny.
Ever since the Fugees came out it OK the be Haitian
When any immigrant comes to this country they come here to EAT
You think these Nigerians Playing Games...Naw .... They are the ones getting into Harvard straight from their country... They droppin they Akon Style on these White women and Going IN
I don't know enough full blooded Black Americans to fully understand the issue the causes a rift that is far greater than what we see between the Caribbean nationalities
I think its maybe as simple as a N.Y nigga coming to a town Downsouth seeing a open lane to hustle making a little paper fucking a couple of bitches and the locals not liking it one bit. (see Belly)
There are little beefs within the caribbean community but they are tiny.
Ever since the Fugees came out it OK the be Haitian
When any immigrant comes to this country they come here to EAT
You think these Nigerians Playing Games...Naw .... They are the ones getting into Harvard straight from their country... They droppin they Akon Style on these White women and Going IN
I don't know enough full blooded Black Americans to fully understand the issue the causes a rift that is far greater than what we see between the Caribbean nationalities
I think its maybe as simple as a N.Y nigga coming to a town Downsouth seeing a open lane to hustle making a little paper fucking a couple of bitches and the locals not liking it one bit. (see Belly)
Most African Americans think this, but the fail to acknowledge, that they have as many disparaging thoughts about us as we them.
We judge each other on based on the worst behaviour of those in our respective communities.
The reality is somewhere in the middle.
If your behavior is appropriate I'm sure you'll be judged appropriately by Africans, as I, as an African will be judged by an African American if my behaviour is appropriate.
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I've had zero problems with the Caribbean fam and only have had problems with African folk that are the overly materialistic or model themselves too much after the white man. Most African folks are cool if you don't come at them with a stereotypical "American" attitude. You have to approach them with a global view in mind, and if you know some shit about their culture or country they will love you and be more willing to help bridge the gap.
The best place to find a helping hand is at the end of your own arm.
? How many people of African descent are allowed in the U.S per year.
What is the percentage of people African descent entering the United States per year?
I had to C/S both of these statements, much of it has to do with stereotypes. The view of African Americans from other countries don't paint us in a positive light. They view us as lazy and confused with no drive for success. Factor in other countries people are dying to get an education much less a free one and African Americans choose to dropout of school. Not the majority and. Of even half but that's the view that they have of us.
They believe we take our opportunities and privileges for granted and they have no respect for that.
"Yall", huh?
You are the mofo that dropped that comment in the thread yesterday.
What was that about?
Are you even black? Or is your motive to sow discord?
Man, I'm a first generation African American, bruh. And don't wax passionate with me about the motive. I just reported that most folks from the Carribbean will "big up" their nationality and hint at their color. Okay, it happens more with the folks of Spanish descent than French and English because there is a greater illusion of acceptance.
Yeah, I dropped "y'all" since I was referring to folks of the Carribean, and I will continue to drop that pronoun however I feel. That's how I talk.
By the way, reread that comment. I told it how it is, NOT HOW I WISH IT TO BE. Now, if whether you want to really respond to that comment is up to you but don't shift out of the topic. (Mind you, I did answer your question.)
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Not at all.
I mentioned my nationality because it is relevant to this particular topic.
Why should i be worried about being misidentified as an AA?
The difference in opportunity is there for all to see.
Doesnt add up to us coming over to eat YOUR food.
Its just not true. We arent pit against each other in this.
We aint taking your customers, we aint moving you out your neighborhoods, we aint devaluing your properties, we aint taking over your jobs...
ALL us blacks trying to make our own lunch.
I think they had a cap on how many can come here every year and its been like that for a few decades.Thats why you see more Africans in European countries.
Bingo... Now what is the cap # I'm thinking maybe 1 percent
Fair enough.
reading all of the comments and than looking at the voting percentages
basically.
I can't relate to most American black males. Buncha quitters
Finger, i'm going to break it down too.....
1. A lot of African Americans have Caribbean and African roots.
Those that do understand the big picture.
Similarly Caribbean and African people who have relatives in the US understand the big picture.
2. Immigrants to any country are generally harder workers than the resident population.
An immigrant to Jamaica from St Lucia would generally work harder than the resident Jamaican.
If you leave your home country, it is not easy to leave behind family and friends.
That mentality translates into focus.
Same shit with eastern europeans who come to america.
An immigrant mentality is like this: I came from another country, I have no support system but I am going to do whatever to make it.
An immigrant understands that everything in life is dependent on what he does cause there is no support system.
I visited Ellis Island and saw this same tension when Polish, Irish, italian etc were coming to this country to work on the railroads.
So it is not necessarily a race or culture thing.
It's an immigrant coming to compete for resources thing.
3. White Americans are slick.
In my experience, they have tried talking shit about African Americans and I have had to check them.
They assume that black immigrants don't know their history of oppressing African Americans and they try to get into your head before you understand their history.
I will give an example that I give some years back.
A white Sr VP told me that he hates when AA talk in ebonics, they should speak proper english.
I told him that americans speak american english and then I asked him if he has problems with Indians, Chinese and other immigrants who don't speak proper english.
He told me that it is ok for them but not for AA because AAs have lived here all their lives and they should know how to speak proper english.
I then told him I have a problem with americans who think they speak proper english such as valley girls etc..
So he eventually threw in the towel.
But not everyone is like me. Not every one is willing to put their neck out.
But it is important for African Americans to understand that there exist to an extent a courting process to fill immigrants head with bullshit so that they could excuse their guilt.
4. Immigrants come from predominantly 2 classes.
Educated class (both rich & poor) and poorer class
The educated class come to go to universities, may stay on completion and go on to professional jobs.
The poorer class come to work and save money for family members back home. Typically work consists of baby sitting, care takers etc.
Typical areas are hoods in New York, Miami, Philly, DC and any other areas with good public transport systems.
They typically assimilate into speech patterns, attitude and behaviors of those environments just to survive.
These environments are the harsher ones and often immigrants are ridiculed in them.
This does not take place (I haven't seen it, may exists) at the professional level. All groups, African Americans, Caribbean, Africans at this level know the game.
So that is my take in a nut shell.
Great summary, man. I'm AA (but with some Caribbean roots) and agree completely. If you don't mind me asking, where are you from?
Personally No, I don't believe their is a disconnection. We are all the same people regardless of nationality. The similarities between us all whether you are American, Caribbean, or African are endless. From music, cuisine, dance culture, religion, arts, physical traits, clothing, language,etc., we are all the same people. The slave ship took some of us to new lands and the rest remained home.
The real issue is black americans in today's society not being used to having a normal black community outside of white society. It is something foreign to most of us whereas to many black foreigners that was the way they came up.
Absolutely. I took an African literature in college and it was taught by a Nigerian man. 
Tell you what he had some of most racist shit come out his mouth bout black Americans are lazy and don't want to do shit and make all blacks look stupid. Meanwhile we are at university leanring trying to better ourselves and he saying we stupid. Regardless to say he almost got his ass whooped and quite a few people dropped his punk ass class.
Tell you what he had some of most racist shit come out his mouth bout black Americans are lazy and don't want to do shit and make all blacks look stupid. Meanwhile we are at university leanring trying to better ourselves and he saying we stupid. Regardless to say he almost got his ass whooped and quite a few people dropped his punk ass class.
I'm a Bahamian, and I admit to having feelings of superiority towards black Americans when I was younger and less knowledgable. But as I got older and educated myself more on the history of blacks in America and began to understand the nature of the 'beast', I realized how foolish I was.
I find myself frustrated on a regular basis, keeping up with american news, my heart literally hurts to see the ass kicking my people are taking over there. I honestly feel an effort needs to be made throughout the diaspora, to educate ourselves on our position in the world as a race, and to move upwards together. I'm gonna start with my own home country, you can bet...
I find myself frustrated on a regular basis, keeping up with american news, my heart literally hurts to see the ass kicking my people are taking over there. I honestly feel an effort needs to be made throughout the diaspora, to educate ourselves on our position in the world as a race, and to move upwards together. I'm gonna start with my own home country, you can bet...
Absolutely. I took an African literature in college and it was taught by a Nigerian man.
Tell you what he had some of most racist shit come out his mouth bout black Americans are lazy and don't want to do shit and make all blacks look stupid. Meanwhile we are at university leanring trying to better ourselves and he saying we stupid. Regardless to say he almost got his ass whooped and quite a few people dropped his punk ass class.
On the flip side a few days ago I had an "african american" highly esteemed post grad professor of afrocentric and cultural studies with multiple phds tell me the Caribbean had "easier slavery" than the US
Also, her lack of knowledge of anything Caribbean was appalling and I couldnt overstand how she got all those PHDs and how she is such a professor. She dismissed all Caribbean literature and everything else Caribbean as "irrelevant" 
So, my friends, those "feelings of superiority" go both ways. There is SOOOO much hate and ignorance from "african americans" I barely even want to bother any more.
Finger, i'm going to break it down too.....
1. A lot of African Americans have Caribbean and African roots.
Those that do understand the big picture.
Similarly Caribbean and African people who have relatives in the US understand the big picture.
2. Immigrants to any country are generally harder workers than the resident population.
An immigrant to Jamaica from St Lucia would generally work harder than the resident Jamaican.
If you leave your home country, it is not easy to leave behind family and friends.
That mentality translates into focus.
Same shit with eastern europeans who come to america.
An immigrant mentality is like this: I came from another country, I have no support system but I am going to do whatever to make it.
An immigrant understands that everything in life is dependent on what he does cause there is no support system.
I visited Ellis Island and saw this same tension when Polish, Irish, italian etc were coming to this country to work on the railroads.
So it is not necessarily a race or culture thing.
It's an immigrant coming to compete for resources thing.
3. White Americans are slick.
In my experience, they have tried talking shit about African Americans and I have had to check them.
They assume that black immigrants don't know their history of oppressing African Americans and they try to get into your head before you understand their history.
I will give an example that I give some years back.
A white Sr VP told me that he hates when AA talk in ebonics, they should speak proper english.
I told him that americans speak american english and then I asked him if he has problems with Indians, Chinese and other immigrants who don't speak proper english.
He told me that it is ok for them but not for AA because AAs have lived here all their lives and they should know how to speak proper english.
I then told him I have a problem with americans who think they speak proper english such as valley girls etc..
So he eventually threw in the towel.
But not everyone is like me. Not every one is willing to put their neck out.
But it is important for African Americans to understand that there exist to an extent a courting process to fill immigrants head with bullshit so that they could excuse their guilt.
4. Immigrants come from predominantly 2 classes.
Educated class (both rich & poor) and poorer class
The educated class come to go to universities, may stay on completion and go on to professional jobs.
The poorer class come to work and save money for family members back home. Typically work consists of baby sitting, care takers etc.
Typical areas are hoods in New York, Miami, Philly, DC and any other areas with good public transport systems.
They typically assimilate into speech patterns, attitude and behaviors of those environments just to survive.
These environments are the harsher ones and often immigrants are ridiculed in them.
This does not take place (I haven't seen it, may exists) at the professional level. All groups, African Americans, Caribbean, Africans at this level know the game.
So that is my take in a nut shell.
Respect.
The majority, blah, blah, blah
There is no studies on the shit so the people who are saying the majority, blah, blah, blah are giving their opinion based on their own interactions.
I have some African American friends that I would ride for faster than another immigrant.
You come correct and other people come correct.
You come with bullshit, you are going to get bullshit.
It's not nationality, it's the person.
I would say this:
If you grew up in a country fucked up by white people...... but the white people left, it's all on YOU.
You run the schools how you like, the work place how you like, the political process how you like.
So you don't see a visible white man even though you are still fighting to change the colonial mindset.
In America, the white man is in your fucking face and he still controls the schools, the work place and the political process.
The battle is double as hard, no apologies about that.
The fact that African Americans could have lived thru that, adapted for survival is a testament to their resilience.
That resilience has sparked other movements around the world including the Caribbean & Africa for human rights and freedom.
The world knows this.
There is nothing that anyone coming from another country could talk shit about because put into the same situation, I don't know too many groups who would not crumble.
Also:
The fact that some African Americans deny thru ignorance and under exposure, the contributions of other immigrant Caribbean and Africans to the struggle here is sad.
People like marcus garvey, kwame toure are under-appreciated solely because they were not born on this piece of dirt.
No mention of their contributions, especially marcus garvey, not even in schools.
I say sad because back then the people engaged all recognized the common enemy, and it wasn't each other.
I don't expect every black person to be on board, hell Harriet Tubman could have hardly convinced everyone, but at least the leaders in the community have to go back, see the bonds and build upon it.
I can't go a day without meeting an African American who didn't have a connection to the Caribbean or Africa.
At the end of the day, we are all the same, share the same struggles, share the same dreams and face a common enemy hidden by a common system of racism.
My 2 cents, it ain't much difference, its just cliques.....Do Ethiopians get along with Caribbeans ? do Caribbeans get along with East Africans, do East Africans get along with West Africans, do French or Canadian blacks get along with American blacks, do American Blacks even get along with themselves ? Just like someone stated earlier its to somebody's international advantage to maintain the bickering......Willie Lynch on a world scale.
Think about this.....all black people from all nations have something positive and major to offer everyone but just like in this thread an argument will break things up and we will never realize the potential.
Think about this.....all black people from all nations have something positive and major to offer everyone but just like in this thread an argument will break things up and we will never realize the potential.
A whole of bullshit and ignorance in this post.I have no problem with West Indians...usually. Well, not in the past years I have not. In Boston, Southern black folks who are from the South call them West Indians. Both my parents are from the South. I never really heard my parents or grandparents speak negatively about West Indians. I actually thought we were the same people but I have sometimes got this vibe that they did think they were better.
I am already reading posters ignorance of West Indians coming to America and advancing. I don't know what they mean by that. If they cannot provide stats then they should be quiet. I cannot stand people who boast.
I can be cool with West indians it's just many Africans I don't like. What I never understood is why so many blacks in America feel they own Africa and Africans so much respect when they don't deserve none of it. Africa could careless about blacks over here.
I have always noticed that it has been blacks in America who are always reaching out to those Africans. Africans, from what I see, don't reach back. I feel that many Africans are opportunist. They take advantage of black American ignorance by playing like they're brothers to make money off of us.
Also, I don't refer to myself as an African. African is a European term. Also, those Africans are a different bloodline from the blacks brought here in cargo slave shits. Africans are Hametic people. We are of Shemitic blood which connects to Abraham.
Bottom line, I will work with whoever will work with me. If those West Indians or Africans got a problem with me because of my nationality, I will tell them to go back to where they came from.
On the flip side a few days ago I had an "african american" highly esteemed post grad professor of afrocentric and cultural studies with multiple phds tell me the Caribbean had "easier slavery" than the US
So, my friends, those "feelings of superiority" go both ways. There is SOOOO much hate and ignorance from "african americans" I barely even want to bother any more.
Peace
I know it goes both ways... Sad that we dislike others that look like us for what? Because of the imagery you see portrayed in the media. Most people never met the people they dislike, yet they dislike them
Just like a post I seen on here the other day stating that the little towns where there is almost 0% minorities living there... The white residents exhibited the most racist behaviors. They didn't grow up around blacks... Yet they hate them.
Thank you media
Though I was born here family is Jamaican We don't understand the lazy demeanor of AA's. I know Jamaica has it's issues, but AA's just don't care to progress it seems. The new generation seem to be going backwards.
And what makes you believe that?
It's a media perception thing.
Racism needs to justify the treatment of non-white peoples.
So while whites are judged by their best,
Blacks are judged by their worst
That includes:
1. Images of starving Africans
2. Nigerian scammers
3. Failed state countries
4. Ignorant rappers
5. Over representation of black crime even though white commit far more crimes
6. The black rapist even though most sexual assaults are intra-racial
7. The over sexed black woman even though most strippers and porn "actresses" are white
8. Delinquent black youth even though white youth stats on drug use, sex etc far exceed that of black kids
I can go on all day..........
So you have most people including ourselves judging ourselves by our worst.
And despite the amount of white pedophiles, white domestic terrorists, white "white" collar criminals, failed Wall Street CEOs, trailer parks even with white privilege........... we non-wites still perceive whites to be the standard to aspire to.
Fucked up I tell you.
I'm getting a little tired of the ignorance in here though.
I'll have to peace out soon and let some one else step in here.
It's 2012, I would have thought we would have figured out the game by now especailly with the internt available to fact check the shit you believe.
Oh well......
It's a media perception thing.
Racism needs to justify the treatment of non-white peoples.
So while whites are judged by their best,
Blacks are judged by their worst
It's 2012, I would have thought we would have figured out the game by now especailly with the internt available to fact check the shit you believe.
Oh well......
I hear you man and agree, but seeing is believing for most people. What is your suggestions for what I highlighted.