Psst... Hey YOU. Wanna see a UFO??? Then come in Here...

[SaKem]

I see your girl in the pic has a medallion piece of what looks like a skull of one of my kind. We are not amused


I shall be personally inking her in for a "Close Encounter" of another kind.

I wonder if she's got snow on her walkway that needs shoveling.

Ol les stroud simp shovelin ass nigga lol j/p

 

[mk23666]

Mind sweep???? for what???? What the hell are you talking about????? Fuck were all those bright light outside my windows last???? I feel so fucking confused!!!!!!

I dunno what you are talking about ... and if I did I wouldn't admit it anyway.






Ya'll really trying to get me necropsied up in here.

 

[Sango]

If it's those mothafukas, then we're done! Fucking missile turrets don't do shit!

 

[14damoney]

I've seen elsewhere, that claims have been made that this is only "space debris" or "space junk". I doubt that claim, and here is my reasoning why:



Space Debris:

We know that satellites, or anything else in Earth's orbit have to remain at a certain distance from Earth, otherwise they would be pulled in by Earth's gravity. The exception to this rule would be any object that has momentum or any object that "self propels".



Our Earth's orbit is literally littered with objects, much of it is space debris as depicted in the pic below:

Now let's look at some pics of space debris that have actually been recovered:

The above pics are not necessarily the larger-sized examples of junk in our orbit. In addition, they've had to suffer through heat of coming back down through our atmosphere. Some of these pics never even made it past our atmosphere post launch. But they give you somewhat of a gauge to make your own judgment.

NOW COMPARE THE ABOVE PICS TO IMAGES OF THE BLACK KNIGHT:

I don't think the Black Knight is space debris, just doesn't pass the ole' eyeball test for me to it call it that...

If it's only "space junk", then why did the Shuttle Astronauts take pics???

*edit: Is it possible that the pics above are more than one craft captured by lens during the STS-088 Space Shuttle mission ?*

 

[14damoney]

Also ... I don't think we are seeing morphing of the object. Rather, what you most likely are seeing is varying angles/profile/perspectives of the same object. Camera angles in relation to the position to the object can cause weird illusions to the eye. Much is lost trying to put all of a 3D object onto a 2D surface.

I agree...

 

[14damoney]

I remember that ... I found it to be puzzling but thought it was PS or something (no offense) This is an interesting theory ... also heard that the moon was an artificial satellite as well ... which is interesting if they at least dug enormous bases in there ... I could go on about mobile 'planet' theories but I'd rather just drop this vid I found on google:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3726335445296508595&hl=en

the first video itself reminds me of that British UFO on the army base I heard about

I haven't your vid yet, but I've heard that if the moon were placed on an ocean large enough, it would float. I also remember seeing somewhere that after a small asteroid hit it the moon "rang like a bell" per the instruments that monitored the event. Which supposedly leans towards the theory that the moon is somewhat hollow. Right now, I favor that theory, but oh well...

 

[14damoney]

Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams
INTERNATIONAL ASTRONOMICAL UNION
Postal Address: Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams
Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.
Telephone 617-495-7244/7440/7444 (for emergency use only)
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MARSDEN or GREEN@CFA.BITNET MARSDEN or GREEN@CFAPS2.SPAN


1991 VG
J. V. Scotti, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, reports his
discovery with the Spacewatch 0.91-m telescope of a fast-moving
asteroidal object:

1991 UT R.A. (1950) Decl. V
Nov. 6.32553 2 53 38.56 +13 29 58.9 20.7
6.33633 2 53 36.87 +13 29 41.6
6.35398 2 53 34.21 +13 29 10.9
7.18437 2 53 51.41 +13 06 37.6 20.8
7.19491 2 53 50.09 +13 06 21.8
7.20631 2 53 48.71 +13 06 08.8
7.33878 2 53 28.47 +13 02 39.6
7.34932 2 53 26.83 +13 02 20.5
7.36008 2 53 25.19 +13 02 00.5 21.2
8.25231 2 53 33.82 +12 36 21.5
8.26526 2 53 31.74 +12 35 59.3 20.3
8.27777 2 53 29.59 +12 35 38.6
8.29081 2 53 27.53 +12 35 16.1
8.30357 2 53 25.37 +12 34 52.8 20.7
8.31659 2 53 23.25 +12 34 29.3
9.22124 2 53 29.91 +12 06 29.5 20.6
9.26343 2 53 22.98 +12 05 13.6
9.38013 2 53 03.50 +12 01 22.7
9.38854 2 53 02.23 +12 01 03.7 20.8
9.39727 2 53 00.94 +12 00 43.9
11.24590 2 53 08.27 +10 57 24.0
11.25073 2 53 07.44 +10 57 15.6 20.8
11.32859 2 52 53.14 +10 54 23.5
11.40787 2 52 40.05 +10 51 10.0 20.3

The following orbital elements, by B. G. Marsden, are remarkably
similar to those of the earth. The minimum geocentric distance
is 0.0031 AU on Dec. 5.4 UT (H = 28.8). Geocentric solutions yield
e > 3. The object might be a returning spacecraft.

Epoch = 1991 Oct. 31.0 ET
T = 1992 Jan. 14.1186 ET Peri. = 260.8887
e = 0.065262 Node = 212.9200 1950.0
q = 0.971470 AU Incl. = 0.3913
a = 1.039297 AU n = 0.9302397 P = 1.060 years


1991 November 13 (5387) Daniel W. E. Green

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/iauc/05300/05387.html

Wow, you've just found a diamond!

 

[Lick]

 

[max-dawg]

so, who shows-up first...

ET & the Predator, or

Jesus Christ?

and if ET & the Predator show-up first, how would the bible thumpers explain them?

 

[Olosi]

This is a returning library with information that might help save the current civilization. At least I hope so. The last war didn't go so good.

 

[NinjaspiT]

so, who shows-up first...

ET & the Predator, or

Jesus Christ?

and if ET & the Predator show-up first, how would the bible thumpers explain them?

...

 

[AtomAnt]

 

[14damoney]

A paper written on the VG-1991. A very interesting read!

FROM A PAPER BY:
Duncan Steel PhD

The Australian Centre for Astrobiology

http://wanderling.tripod.com/1991_vg.html

Funny they would mention the battle of Los Angeles because the upcoming movie begins with what we thought were meteors coming towards earth are really alien crafts. I wonder if the movie is supposed to be retaliation from the 1942 attack?

Another Diamond!


So what do we have so far?

1) We have pics (taken from Space Shuttle Astronauts themselves).

2) We have references to a "dark" object (or probe) from established news agencies (Time Magazine) and journals.

3) And thanks to Black Sapien, we have scientific data charting the "asteroid" as well as a detailed scientific hypothesis as to what it is (which leans toward it being an alien craft).


There's still more ends to tie, but so far the picture seems to be shaping up...

 

[ankhheru]

great post

 

[dbluesun]

bump

 

[14damoney]

A paper written on the VG-1991. A very interesting read!

FROM A PAPER BY:
Duncan Steel PhD

The Australian Centre for Astrobiology

An article discussing Duncan Steel's paper:

THE EVIDENCE FOR AN ALIEN PROBE

... Steel's main point is that an object discovered in late 1991 passing near the Earth is a candidate for an "alien probe". His article is based upon the discovery of a roughly 10-meter object in an orbit around the sun that passed by the Earth in December 1991 and was discovered by the Spacewatch telescope at Kitt Peak Observatory a month earlier. The object was given the name 1991 VG and was later observed in April 1992 by a larger telescope, also at Kitt Peak. These observations allowed a reasonably accurate determination of its orbit. Its size can only be estimated because it was too small to observe as anything but a point source. The size estimate of 10 meters is based on its spectral reflectivity and the assumption that it was an S-type asteroid: if it was a C-type asteroid it would be about 19 meters in greatest dimension. (C-type asteroids have a lower reflectivity, thus it takes a larger object to produce the same level of brightness.) Whatever its exact size, it is clearly a relatively small object.

Steel bases his conclusion on two unusual characteristics of 1991 VG, as well as two other factors. First, it exhibited rapid variations in brightness, which indicates that it has areas with very distinct and different reflectivity. This is highly unusual for small asteroids. Second, 1991 VG has an orbit that is very Earth-like, with low eccentricity and inclination, and an orbital size just slightly larger than Earth's. Additionally, Steel notes that 1991 VG passed close to Earth, slightly under 300,000 miles distant. This may seem quite far - it is greater than the Earth-Moon distance - but it is not far at all on an astronomical scale. Finally, he calculates the a priori probability of discovery of the object as one chance in 100,000 per year, which will become more meaningful below.

Steel considers these facts by determining how compatible they are with what he suggests are the only three visible possibilities for the nature of 1991 VG. These possibilities include an asteroidal body, a man-made spacecraft, and an alien artifact of some type.

The orbit of 1991 VG, calculated backwards, indicates that it closely approached Earth in 1975 and also sixteen years earlier in the late 1950s. By looking at spacecraft launched during these earlier periods, Steel concludes that no known man-made object could currently be following the orbit of 1991 VG (he looked both at spacecraft and at the expended rocket bodies that launched the craft, since some of these escape Earth's gravity).

Given the low probability of detection mentioned above, Steel further concludes that a priori chances of 1991 VG being a returning rocket body are small. Since only a few man-made objects have been injected into orbits around the sun, the likelihood of the Spacewatch telescope detecting one of these, given the small probability of detection each year of one in 100,000 of a similar object, is remote. This is statistical evidence that the object is not likely to be man-made.

As for the probability that 1991 VG is an asteroid. Steel argues against it for two reasons. The brightness of the object fluctuated rapidly, which is characteristic of artificial satellites rather than asteroids (satellites often have angled, highly reflective surfaces, and they rotate for stability, both of which together cause brightness fluctuations). Second, the orbit of 1991 VG would be unstable over a period of a few thousand years because of its similarity to Earth's orbit and close approaches to our planet. Consequently, 1991 VG can be in its current orbit only if it recently (in astronomical terms) entered that orbit. This makes its identification as an asteroid unlikely, and Steel estimates a low probability that 1991 VG is an asteroid.

This leaves the third hypothesis: that the object is alien in origin. Steel admits he has little evidence that 1991 VG is an alien artifact (what would one look like?), but he believes the prior probability of detection of such objects, including 1991 VG on its other conjectured near passes in the mid-1970s and late 1950s, was so small as to be nonexistent. This is chiefly because efforts like that of Spacewatch were just begun recently, and astronomers otherwise made few systematic searches for small objects passing near the Earth.

Steel is a cautious investigator, so he does not conclude the article by arguing that 1991 VG is definitely an alien probe. He calls for further investigation, especially an increase in surveillance programs to determine whether other asteroids have similar orbits and light curves as 1991 VG. He also suggests that candidate man-made objects be examined in more detail, since nongravitational forces might have altered their flight path sufficiently to bring them back to Earth in an orbit identical to that of 1991 VG (an example of a nongravitational force would be fuel leaking from a rocket body).

Steel goes on to state his personal bias that 1991 VG is a terrestrial object - an expendable rocket body launched some time ago and now returning to Earth - but he clearly enumerates the conditions Jthat must be met if such a hypothesis is correct, and those conditions are quite stringent and unlikely, as detailed above.

INSTRUMENTAL DETECTION OF UFOS

A UFO is a UFO, whether seen on the ground, flying in Earth's atmosphere, or detected in outer space. As the years have passed since 1947, the beginning of the modern era of UFO reports, the capability of scientific instruments to detect small objects in Earth orbit or near-Earth space has rapidly advanced.

The ability to detect such objects has been further enhanced because of the recent concern over the possibility that an asteroid or comet may strike the Earth and cause widespread devastation. Some argue that a similar event caused dinosaurs to become extinct about 65 million years ago. This concern led directly to the creation of the Spacewatch program, whose telescope detected 1991 VG. Any alien probe passing nearby much before the present era was extremely unlikely to be detected. To give you`an example of the difficulties,`1991 VGl at its closest approach, was about one million times too faint to be seen with the naked eye, and is now beyond the detection of the largest telescopes.

Nevertheless, since man's capability to detect small objects near Earth has increased by many magnitudes in recent years, its not too surprising that an alien probe passing near the Earth could be detected. This suggests that the UFO community has potentially fruitful links with the scientists conducting the Spacewatch program. And if there truly are alien probes passing near Earth, which some argue must be true given the likely number of extraterrestrial civilizations, then it should only be a matter of time until a more unequivocal detection is made.

http://www.astrosurf.com/lunascan/Setprobe.htm