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Don't know if this info has been posted yet. Nevertheless, you be the judge...




















The Ancient Spy Satellite: "Black Knight"


The Black Knight (also known as "Asteroid" BG1991???).
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This, and subsequent pics were taken from Space Shuttle Endeavor during NASA mission STS-088 in Earth's orbit between Dec 3 & Dec 15 1998.


In an interview with Project Camelot, Sgt. Clifford Stone mentions the Alien Probe:
C: Well, I’ll tell you this, I think that by 2016 that something better have happened. Because at 2016 I think that we’re going to have to announce to the world that there’s a probe that comes very close to the Earth every 15 or 20 years. And we’ve been calling it an asteroid. It’s not an asteroid. But it actually in reality is an artificial probe. In other words, somebody else put it here. They have found us long time ago. The technology will probably be pretty much on a par to, say, Voyager. It’ll be old antiquated technology by all their standards.

K: So what are you saying? Is this probe… do you know what race?

C: I’m saying we have already found it. Our paradigm says that it can’t be an artificial craft of any sort, therefore we refuse to accept that and we call it an asteroid. I’m talking about BG1991. Roughly 30 meters in diameter, highly polished surface. Asteroids don’t have a highly polished surface. It took corrective course changes to avoid collision with another asteroid. That don’t happen. This one it did.

K: So where... what race is this from, from what planet? Do you know?

C: I don’t know.
(The corresponding vid of the above interview can be seen at the end of this post. Snippet starts @ 25:25)




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The Black Knight from Space

By John Carter

In "Disneyland of the Gods", John Keel writes of the Black Knight satellite. Never mind the almanac. You won't find it listed with Sputnik or Explorer. Black Knight is the name given to a radar blip discovered in 1960. This mystery satellite was found in a polar orbit, something neither the US nor the Soviets had accomplished. It was several times larger and several times heavier than anything capable of being launched with 1960 rockets. It shouldn't have been there, but it was.

If that weren't enough, ham operators began receiving odd messages from the Black Knight. One operator decoded a series of these messages as a star map. The map centered on Epsilon Boštes as seen from the earth 13,000 years ago. Remember, stars don't move very far even after 13,000 years, and Epsilon Boštes is moving towards us. Only the neighboring stars appear different after that amount of time. Was the Black Knight an alien calling card?

Perhaps the strangest effect associated with the Black Knight is the Long Delay Echo (LDE). The effect observed is that radio or television signals sent into space bounce back seconds (or even days) later, as if recorded and retransmitted by a satellite. They didn't begin with the Black Knight, but they were part of its mystery. Keel places the earliest LDEs in the 1920s.

It's not in Keel's book, but in 1974 another mystery entered earth orbit. No radar saw it. No ham operator listened to it. One man contacted it- or rather, was contacted by it. That man was science fiction author Philip K. Dick (1928-1982).

Dick is probably best known to the public for writing the stories on which the movies "Blade Runner" (1982), "Total Recall" (1990), and "Screamers" (1996) were based. Before the movies, there were the books. That's where we'll find Dick's own encounter with a Black Knight... (continued)


Close up, different angle:
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'The Space Probe Affair'.

The late John Macvey drew our attention to Prof. Ron Bracewell's suggestion that a probe from another civilisation had tried to contact Earth in the 1920's. "I produced a 'translation' of the 1920's signals, suggesting that the probe had come from the star Epsilon Bootis, about 13,000 years ago."

The paper was published by the British Interplanetary Society and caused a considerable stir in the early 1970's: a more popular version was published in "Analog", a more detailed one in "Man and the Stars", and later papers appeared in the "Journal of the Society of Electronic and Radio Technicians", and as a guest chapter in "Extraterrestrial Encounter".

Out of ASTRA's share of the "Man and the Stars" proceeds that a satellite tracking station was built to search for the probe, but a series of major setbacks, including vandalism and hurricane damage, prevented us from commissioning it. In the end most of the 'Epsilon Bootis' translation had to be discarded, but recently it's beginning to seem that there may be something to it after all. A further article 'Epsilon Bootis revisited' appeared in the March 1998 issue of Analog.

View more detail of this story from Time Magazine: Monday, Apr. 09, 1973

View the Star Map translation from the UFO satellite transmissions here:


Some think that the object morphs...
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Notice the three lights on the left and the light on the right. Are they reflections from some other source of illumination or are they being emitted from the craft???



Monday, Mar. 07, 1960
Time Magazine

Three weeks ago, headlines announced that the U.S. had detected a mysterious "dark" satellite wheeling overhead on a regular orbit. There was nervous speculation that it might be a surveillance satellite launched by the Russians, and it brought the uneasy sensation that the U.S. did not know what was going on over its own head. But last week the Department of Defense proudly announced that the satellite had been identified. It was a space derelict, the remains of an Air Force Discoverer satellite that had gone astray. The dark satellite was the first object to demonstrate the effectiveness of the U.S.'s new watch on space. And the three-week time lag in identification was proof that the system still lacks full coordination and that some bugs still have to be ironed out.

First Sighting. The most important component of the space watch went into operation about six months ago with the construction of "Dark Fence," a kind of radar trip wire stretching across the width of the U.S. Designed by the Naval Research Laboratory to keep track of satellites whose radios are silent, it is a notable improvement on other radars, which have difficulty finding a small satellite unless they know where to look. Big, 50-kw. transmitters were established at Gila River, near Phoenix, Ariz, and Jordan Lake, Ala., spraying radio waves upward in the shape of open fans. Some 250 miles on either side, receiving stations pick up signals that bounce off any object passing through the fans. By a kind of triangulation, the operators can make rough estimates of the object's speed, distance and course.

On Jan. 31 Dark Fence detected two passes of what seemed to be an unknown space object. After detecting several passes during the following days, Captain W. E. Berg, commanding officer of Dark Fence, decided that something was circling overhead on a roughly polar orbit. He raced to the Pentagon and in person reported the menacing stranger to Chief of Naval Operations Arleigh Burke. Within minutes the news was communicated to President Eisenhower and marked top secret.

In the confusion, there was a delay before anyone took the step necessary to positively identify the strange satellite: informing the Air Force's newly established surveillance center in Bedford, Mass. It is the surveillance center's job to take all observations on satellites from all friendly observing centers, both optical and electronic, feed them into computers to produce figures that will identify each satellite, describe its orbit and predict its behavior. Says one top official, explaining the cold facts of the space age: "The only way of knowing that a new satellite has appeared is by keeping track of the old ones."

It took two weeks for Dark Fence's scientists to check back through their taped observations, and to discover that the mysterious satellite had first showed up on Aug. 15. The Air Force surveillance center also checked its records to provide a list of everything else that was circling in the sky, and its computers worked out a detailed description of the new object's behavior. The evidence from both Air Force and Navy pointed to Discoverer V, fired from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif, on Aug. 13.

SOURCE: Time Magazine





High Resolution Pics:
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_STS088_STS088-724-65.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_STS088_STS088-724-66.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_STS088_STS088-724-66_3.JPG
ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_STS088_STS088-724-67.JPG










(I've only skimmed this vid. So I won't vouch for this guy just yet.)






More info to come. In the meantime... :beammeup:
 
hmm ... I remember these pics from another thread. They didn't come with info tho ... hmm.
 
My homeboy told me he saw something that was "shapeshifting" in the sky one day. He aint even the type to talk about stuff like that.
 
hmm ... I remember these pics from another thread. They didn't come with info tho ... hmm.

Don't try to back track now mk23666!!!! You should have cloaked your ship! And don't try that mind trick shit!!! We're on to you now!!!!
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:beammeup::beammeup::beammeup::beammeup::beammeup:
 
Don't try to back track now mk23666!!!! You should have cloaked your ship! And don't try that mind trick shit!!! We're on to you now!!!!
:hmm:

I think we can pencil you in for a mind sweep late tomorrow night. You have been warned. :cool:
 
hmm ... I remember these pics from another thread. They didn't come with info tho ... hmm.

Yeah I posted the pics from NASA's site and a video about a year ago but heard nothing of this story. I have heard of Project Camelot but did not know it had any relation to those images. Let's see how deep this rabbit hole is!
 
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Could the Black Knight be another "Monolith" as described in the following "report"?



Can't confirm this, but it damn sure is interesting...

Apollo 10 Gets Glimpse Of An Extraterrestrial Monolith In Space;

Later A Secret Military Space Shuttle Retrieves the Space Beacon


by

Richard Boylan, Ph.D.

(c)1998

The following information was disclosed to me by a reliable confidential informant, who previously worked on contract for the National Security Agency, and maintains connections within the Intelligence community. This informant, whom I shall call 'Jesse", has over 40 years of notes from a very close relative, who served as CIA liaison to the National Security Council on UFO/Star Visitor matters.
This information has been confirmed by a second source, Dr. Michael Wolf of the National Security Council's unacknowledged subcommittee, the ["MJ-12"] Special Studies Group. I have talked with Dr. Wolf about the notes' author, Jesse's relative. Dr. Wolf said that that CIA official "was like an uncle to me."

The reports which follow are thus not "leaks", but rather based on planned releases of information. These releases are part of a Public Acclimation Program, an official though unacknowledged U.S. Government policy of "processed release of information", as Dr. Wolf described it.

According to "Jesse", in 1969 the Apollo 10 astronauts Stafford, Cernan and Young were the first to film a Star Visitors' space beacon, dubbed "The Monolith", somewhat like, but smaller than, the one in Arthur C. Clarke's book/movie "2001". They were not, however, the first astronauts to spot this Star Visitor beacon. The Monolith was first sighted by Russian cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin, the first man in space, in 1961. He was followed into space that same year by American astronaut Alan Shephard, who also sighted the beacon. Apollo 10 went to it, and filmed it from every angle. The Monolith acted like a communication beacon. Jesse said, "It sort of acts like the message received in the movie "Contact". It had a message on it, in addition to a map of the extraterrestrial civilization which placed it there, and how to get to them."

The Apollo 10 astronauts brought back the message captured on film. The Monolith's energy affected Apollo 10's instrumentation, so that its crew almost didn't get back. As soon as the film which Apollo 10 took came back to Earth, those Intelligence compartments which deal with UFOs were busy poring over information from the Monolith.

The government then used an early secret military space shuttle to go get the Monolith itself. This covert military spacecraft flew years before the first "official" NASA Shuttle's public flights in 1981. The spaceplane is operated by a secret military astronaut program out of Vandenburg Air Force Base, California, among other locations.
The second flight mission of this unacknowledged military shuttle retrieved the Monolith, and brought it back to Earth in 1972 for study. [1]

After being retrieved, the Monolith was then transferred to a secret research facility. Scientific analysis of the Monolith was conducted at this domed underwater facility located north of Abaco, the northernmost of the Bahamas Islands. RCA Corporation is in charge of that experimentation research, Jesse says. Jesse stated, "They did it underwater, after they saw people dropping like flies. They figured that there would be better containment [of the Monolith's suspected cosmic energy emanations] underwater."
He noted that the space beacon "has a sound to it, like it talks. It also gives off a light show."
Dr. Michael Wolf shed additional light on the beacons. "They are 'postcards from the rim'. They emit both light and tone signals, sending a mathematical language. There may be five or more ET civilizations involved in setting up these beacons."

Among the scientists who worked on it were famed astronomer Dr. Carl Sagan, U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command General William Stubblebine, (ret.), National Security Council consultant Dr. Michael Wolf, and a former division head of CIA. Everyone who had prolonged close physical contact with the Monolith got cancer, Jesse says. "And those who tried to dissect it [the Monolith] died right there on the spot." The CIA Counter-Intelligence official and Dr. Wolf got colon cancer. The CIA man required surgery, but Dr. Wolf's cancer later went into a spontaneous remission. Dr. Sagan eventually died of his cancer. And Dr. Wolf later developed pancreatic cancer, from which he died eventually.

Jesse feels that there are many more space beacons out in space, acting as "postcards". "I'm sure Mother Russia had one." [2]

Jesse also revealed a 1973 formula for gravity control, used by the military to construct antigravity aerospace vehicles.[a] He disclosed that a quantum physicist, Jack Sarfatti was in a position to be familiar with this gravity formula used by the government. Jesse observed, "With regard to Sarfatti, as I can determine it [from the notes], he was on site doing work on the relationship between downed UFO's and back-engineering, to the degree that he assisted in the gravity makeup formulae."

Jesse added that Sarfatti noticed that the captured UFO's field propulsion guidance was focused on the Star Visitor pilot. "[The UFO pilot console] had the hand placement with micro holes and light-emitting senses [sensors] to feel the impulse of the sudden hand movement; hence it [pilot and UFO] became as one. The driver always feels the outer skin's 'road feel', so it [the UFO] can handle better than a Corvette at 125 mph in fifth gear in the big curve."
Jesse added, "Then again, Sarfatti has these [formula] numbers...he can attest to the numbers and even affirm that [antigravity field propulsion] is in use today! Matter of fact, the formulae even tell a story of the skin association between flyer and craft." [3] They [Star Visitor pilots] think [a command]...and go. Sort of like...point-click and ship! Boom...you're there."

The RAND Corporation (a CIA think tank) holds the key to the [gravity-control] formulae." Jesse revealed. "Our Navy even set up the United Earth Space Naval Forces. I believe this group to be in existence today." [4]

U.S. Government's old gravity-control formula:

[a] phi(x) =<0lphi(x) l0 > + ?(x), where <0lphi(x)l0> is the vacuum expectation value, and
m2^<0lphi(x)l0>^2 represents the particle's density of the ground state in the non-realtivistic limit. The action of this field in the presence of gravity is...intrinsic gravitational cosmological constant Lambda/ 8piG receives a contribution (1/2) m2^<0lphi(x)l0>^2.
{It was later revealed too me that this formula is somewhat incomplete and cannot be used by itself to create one's own antigravity engine.]


(Additional; revelations appear in the follow-on Article: "Extraterrestrial Base On Earth, Sanctioned By Officials Since 1954, Now Revealed; Also Disclosed, a Secret U.S.-USSR Manned Space Station Positioned In Orbit For Past 30 Years" )


Dr. Richard Boylan is a behavioral scientist, university instructor, certified clinical hypnotherapist, and researcher into extraterrestrial-human encounters.
Richard Boylan, Ph.D., LLC,
Post Office Box 1009, Diamond Springs, California 95619, United States of America.
E-mail: drboylan@sbcglobal.net
WEBSITE: http://www.drboylan.com

You are invited to join the UFOFacts internet reports-and-communications list; moderated by Dr. Boylan: (subscribe at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufofacts).

http://www.drboylan.com/monolith2.html




Like I said, can't confirm any of this. I'm not even sure if it ties in. Just thought it would be an interesting before we continue on...






:beammeup:
 
My homeboy told me he saw something that was "shapeshifting" in the sky one day. He aint even the type to talk about stuff like that.

Yeah, I've seen vids of similar anomalies...

See this before but good drop.

c/s
cool post fam

Thanks...

Yeah I posted the pics from NASA's site and a video about a year ago but heard nothing of this story. I have heard of Project Camelot but did not know it had any relation to those images. Let's see how deep this rabbit hole is!


From what I understand, Project Camelot only did an interview with the guy (in the vid I posted) who seems to know something about this. I still haven't seen the whole vid yet, but I'll check it out within the next 12 hrs or so.

There's not a whole lot out there about the Black Knight. So I'm trying to add what I've come across already about it, and will probably also include other interesting additions I can find regarding the theme of this thread...

Feel free to join in...
 
Welp there's no denying this one. I wonder if those guys who are in denial will come post in this thread. How will they rebuttal this one? Will they say NASA is lying and releasing fake photos? Or that the aircraft is a secret government project the morphs and most at "impossible" speeds?
 
It's strange, but until the other day this was totally new to me. Never thought I'd miss out on something of this magnitude...

Back then I thought it might be some promotional shots of a movie coming out. I could be wrong, but still think this way.

Also ... I don't think we are seeing morphing of the object. Rather, what you most likely are seeing is varying angles/profile/perspectives of the same object. Camera angles in relation to the position to the object can cause weird illusions to the eye. Much is lost trying to put all of a 3D object onto a 2D surface.
 

I see your girl in the pic has a medallion piece of what looks like a skull of one of my kind. :smh: We are not amused :hmm:


I shall be personally inking her in for a "Close Encounter" of another kind. :yes:

I wonder if she's got snow on her walkway that needs shoveling.:lol:
 
Yeah I posted the pics from NASA's site and a video about a year ago but heard nothing of this story. I have heard of Project Camelot but did not know it had any relation to those images. Let's see how deep this rabbit hole is!

I remember that ... I found it to be puzzling but thought it was PS or something (no offense) This is an interesting theory ... also heard that the moon was an artificial satellite as well ... which is interesting if they at least dug enormous bases in there ... I could go on about mobile 'planet' theories but I'd rather just drop this vid I found on google:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3726335445296508595&hl=en

the first video itself reminds me of that British UFO on the army base I heard about
 
Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams
INTERNATIONAL ASTRONOMICAL UNION
Postal Address: Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams
Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.
Telephone 617-495-7244/7440/7444 (for emergency use only)
TWX 710-320-6842 ASTROGRAM CAM EASYLINK 62794505
MARSDEN or GREEN@CFA.BITNET MARSDEN or GREEN@CFAPS2.SPAN


1991 VG
J. V. Scotti, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, reports his
discovery with the Spacewatch 0.91-m telescope of a fast-moving
asteroidal object:

1991 UT R.A. (1950) Decl. V
Nov. 6.32553 2 53 38.56 +13 29 58.9 20.7
6.33633 2 53 36.87 +13 29 41.6
6.35398 2 53 34.21 +13 29 10.9
7.18437 2 53 51.41 +13 06 37.6 20.8
7.19491 2 53 50.09 +13 06 21.8
7.20631 2 53 48.71 +13 06 08.8
7.33878 2 53 28.47 +13 02 39.6
7.34932 2 53 26.83 +13 02 20.5
7.36008 2 53 25.19 +13 02 00.5 21.2
8.25231 2 53 33.82 +12 36 21.5
8.26526 2 53 31.74 +12 35 59.3 20.3
8.27777 2 53 29.59 +12 35 38.6
8.29081 2 53 27.53 +12 35 16.1
8.30357 2 53 25.37 +12 34 52.8 20.7
8.31659 2 53 23.25 +12 34 29.3
9.22124 2 53 29.91 +12 06 29.5 20.6
9.26343 2 53 22.98 +12 05 13.6
9.38013 2 53 03.50 +12 01 22.7
9.38854 2 53 02.23 +12 01 03.7 20.8
9.39727 2 53 00.94 +12 00 43.9
11.24590 2 53 08.27 +10 57 24.0
11.25073 2 53 07.44 +10 57 15.6 20.8
11.32859 2 52 53.14 +10 54 23.5
11.40787 2 52 40.05 +10 51 10.0 20.3

The following orbital elements, by B. G. Marsden, are remarkably
similar to those of the earth. The minimum geocentric distance
is 0.0031 AU on Dec. 5.4 UT (H = 28.8). Geocentric solutions yield
e > 3. The object might be a returning spacecraft.:eek:

Epoch = 1991 Oct. 31.0 ET
T = 1992 Jan. 14.1186 ET Peri. = 260.8887
e = 0.065262 Node = 212.9200 1950.0
q = 0.971470 AU Incl. = 0.3913
a = 1.039297 AU n = 0.9302397 P = 1.060 years


1991 November 13 (5387) Daniel W. E. Green

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/iauc/05300/05387.html
 
A paper written on the VG-1991. A very interesting read!

FROM A PAPER BY:
Duncan Steel PhD

The Australian Centre for Astrobiology



Abstract: A 10-metre object on a heliocentric orbit, now catalogued as 1991 VG, made a close approach to the Earth in 1991 December, and was discovered a month before perigee with the Spacewatch telescope at Kitt Peak. Its very Earth-like orbit and observations of rapid brightness fluctuations argued for it being an artificial body rather than an asteroid. None of the handful of man-made rocket bodies left in heliocentric orbits during the space age have purely gravitational orbits returning to the Earth at that time. In addition, the small perigee distance observed might be interpreted as an indicator of a controlled rather than a random encounter with the Earth, and thus it might be argued that 1991 VG is a candidate as an alien probe observed in the vicinity of our planet.


The approach taken in this paper is to investigate the different probabilities regarding the nature of the near-earth pass of the object designated 1991 VG.

Three distinct possibilities are apparent. The first is that it was a natural asteroid, to which we assign a probability P(n), that is, Probability natural. The second is that it was a man-made spacecraft, probability P(s), or Probability spacecraft. The third is that it was an alien artifact, probability P(a), Probability artifact. If we assume that there are no other possible explanations then the three taken together and written in formula P(n) + P(s) + P(a) = 1. The scepticism of a scientist (myself included) leads one to assume that P(a) = 0, but that assumption, it will be seen, is not supported by our knowledge of 1991 VG and its discovery circumstances. I show below that these indicate both P(n) and P(s) to be small, implying that P(a) , Probability artifact, is significant.


Chapman-Rietschi 1 has noted, following Arkhipov2, that much work and discussion of SETI tends to overlook the possibility of discovering alien artifacts within the Solar System. Such a pursuit is normally known as SETA (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Artifacts3,4). Over the past two decades various authors have debated whether the best place to look for such artifacts is in the asteroid belt5, in the outer Solar System6 on planetary surfaces7, or as extraterrestrial probes in the inner Solar System8-10, whereas the famous Fermi Paradox argument is based upon the understanding that such probes have not been detected, and thus extraterrestrial intelligent beings do not exist11,12. The aim of this communication is to point out (very tentativeIy) that an extraterrestrial spaceprobe may have been detected in late 1991 in near-Earth space.


The 0.91-m Spacewatch telescope of the University of Arizona commenced operation in 1989, since when it has been used to detect asteroids of an unprecedentedly small size in the Earth's vicinity13, On 1991 November 6 Spacewatch observer Jim Scotti discovered a body initially described as being a "fast-moving asteroidal object" at a geocentric distance of 0.022 AU, a month before its closest approach (at 0.0031 AU) to the Earth14. Its heliocentric orbital elements at discovery were a = 1.04AU, e = 0.065, i = 0°.39, so that the suggestion was soon made that "this might be a returning spacecraft" (ref. 14). The fly-by of the Earth-Moon system resulted in slight changes in its osculating elements15-17. Assuming the albedo of an S-type asteroid is appropriate its spectral reflectivity was not dissimilar to main-belt S-type asteroids13 it would be about 9 m in size, or 19 m with the albedo of a C-type. However, observations by Richard West and Olivier Hainaut from ESO, close to the time of nearest approach, indicated a non-asteroidal nature for the object, with strong, rapid brightness variations which can be interpreted as transient specular reflections from the surfaces of a rotating spacecraft18,19. Contrary to this, Wieslaw Wisniewski at Kitt Peak found only a slowly-varying brightness18 but under poor observing conditions. The question of the nature of this object might have been answered by radar observations, but radar sounding attempts failed16,20 1991 VG was also observed in 1992 April with larger telescopes at Kitt Peak21, but it is unlikely to be observed again soon (see below). However, that recovery allowed an improvement of the ephemeris (in both cartesian and frequency space) for the time of the radar observations, which may make identification of 1991 VG in those data possible when they are fully analyzed20.


As outlined in the opening quote at the top of the page, the approach taken here is to investigate the different probabilities for the nature of this object, given our incomplete knowledge. Three distinct possibilities are considered apparent. The first is that it was a man-made spacecraft. The second is that it was a natural asteroid. The third is that it was an alien artifact.


I. THE PROBABILITY THAT IT WAS A MAN-MADE SPACECRAFT:

First the probability that 1991 VG, was a returning spacecraft is considered. There have been few large rocket bodies released onto heliocentric orbits by homo Sapiens. A reported backwards integration, using only gravitational effects, indicated that 1991 VG came within 0.07 AU of the Earth-Moon svstem in 1975 February-March (ref. 16), and also into our vicinity sixteen years earlier in the late 1950s. Without detailed knowledge of the orbit in 1975-1991, and thus the actual approach distance, it is not possible to extrapolate the orbit back to that earlier approach to define the year, even if only gravitational forces are significant. According to the standard references22,23, there are few candidates. For the earlier period one can list Pioneer 1 (launched 1958 October), Pioneer 3 (1958 December), Luna 1 (1959 January), Pioneer 4 (1959 March), Luna 2 (1959 September), Luna 3 (1959 October), and Pioneer 5 (1960 March), but these are generalIy small objects (some of which are known to have re-entered the atmosphere, with Luna 2 having apparently hit the Moon), and all have launch dates later than the nominal extrapolation of 1991 VG back to the first half of 1958. In the mid-1970s, Luna 23 was launched in 1974 October but landed on the Moon, its launcher stages having soon re-entered the atmosphere; Helios 1 was put into a heliocentric orbit in 1974 December along with two associated rocket bodies fragments (1974-097C and 097D), and there were no other launches escaping the Earth until Venera 9 was sent to Venus in 1975 June. Identification with any of the above would require the action of non-gravitational forces, such as radiation pressure or leaking fuel18, but these agencies are not known to have acted; in any case, it does not seem to be possible definitely to identify 1991 VG as having originated on the Earth.


The next step is to estimate the a priori probability that 1991 VG would be detected by Spacewatch. Having a very Earth-like orbit, at least prior to the late-1991 close approach, this object has an exceptionally high collision probability with our planet. In calculating the mean terrestrial impact probability for all 169 known Apollo and Aten asteroids (which has a value of 9.3 x 10-9 per year), I derived a value of 4.8 x 10-6 per year for 1991 VG alone, meaning that I would have quadrupled the mean terrestrial collision probability for the ensemble should I have included that object24. (Chyba25 calculated 4.2 x l0-6 per vear for 1991 VG, but by using elements that I would have expected to have given a result higher than my own, although he used a different technique.) Instead I decided to reject 1991 VG from the ranks of naturally-occurring objects and to suppose it to be man-made. The referee of my paper24 made the interesting – but tongue-in-cheek–comment in his report that "unless the author knows of observations that suggest that 1991 VG has human characteristics, I would suggest that the word 'anthropomorphic' should be replaced by 'artificial'." The insinuation does not need to be explained further to the reader in the context of this communication.


The referee's comment was stimulated by my estimation of a low a priori probability that 1991 VG would pass close by our planet, using my collision probability cited above and an enhanced cross-section for passage within some stipulated miss distance of the Earth. A more complete value for the chance of detection can be estimated as below by evaluating (i) the probability of passage sufficiently close by the Earth for detection, and (ii) the probability of detection given that such a passage occurs.


The pre-encounter inclination allowed a deviation by 1991 VG of only 0.0068 A U above or below the ecliptic, whereas it had apsides at heliocentric distances of 0.9715 and 1.1071 AU. To first order, then, one can assume that 1991 VG was constrained to an annulus in the ecliptic plane which was 0.1356 AU wide. The Earth would pass 1991 VG once every 16.75 years (from the difference in their orbital periods), and in each such passage there is a (0.044/0.1356) 0.3 probability of passing within the geocentric distance at which the object was discovered if one assumes that the heliocentric distance is random within that annulus, and neglects the fact that 1991 VG could not go 0.022 AU sunward of the Earth at perihelion. In reality any orbiting object spends more time close to its apsidal distances, but that is neglected here, as is gravitational focusing. Both these factors are included in the calculations in ref. 24, but are not of great significance since the aim is only to obtain a rough estimate of the probability of a near passage. From the above, the answer is about one in 50 per year, for passage within 0.02 AU, a value supported if one takes the impact probability quoted earlier, allows for gravitational focussing, and substitutes for the larger cross-section but with account being taken of the fact that the maximum distance above or below the ecliptic is 0.068 AU. For passage within the actual perigee distance the probability is considerably smaller, its estimation requiring account to be taken of the excursions of 1991 VG from the ecliptic: I found that such a passage would be expected about once every few thousand years24. There are many selection effects which govern the chance that the Spacewatch team (the only suitably-equipped and operational unit) might detect a ~10-m object passing near the Earth. The records of the past five years show that they have found about one such object per year whereas the flux at such a size is thought to be between a few and ten per day crossing cis-lunar space, although it could be higher26. The probability of detection could therefore be estimated as being ~1/1000. Such an estimate could be made by anyone without inside knowledge of the operations of Spacewatch, but Scotti points out that the probability is even lower than that27. In a night the Spacewatch telescope might be used to patrol four regions each of area 3.4 square degrees, giving a fractional celestial-sphere coverage of 4 x 3.4/41253 = 1/3033. Triple scans of each region are carried out, so that if the objects were moving fast enough to cross the region between scans, as many as 1/1000 of the detectable (bright enough) targets might be found, in agreement with the above crude estimate. Scotti, however, states27 that "1991 VG was a bit on the exceptional side." On the discovery night, for some reason he set the V magnitude detection limit lower than usual, and 1991 VG was picked up at V = 20.7, whereas 20.4 was the nominal threshold in use at that stage. Thus 1991 VG would have been missed by the detection software had Scotti not set the brightness limit so low. Whilst the object then brightened as the geo-centric distance decreased, we must note that (i) 1991 VG might not have appeared in the Spacewatch search regions as that brightening occurred; and (ii) even if it had been found later, without the discovery having already occurred, its reduced geocentric distance at identification would then decrement the frequency of approaches as determined above. For the actual discovery circumstances Scotti estimates the probability of detection, given the low threshold that he had set, as having been about 1/7500, but even that neglects trailing losses. That is the probability of detection on any particular night; one would have to multiply that figure by ~ 20 (to account for 1991 VG being within the detection distance limit for about 20 days), by ~ 0.6 (to account for the Spacewatch telescope being operated on only 18 nights per lunation), by ~ 0.7 (to account for observing time loss to weather), and by ~ 0.5 (for trailing losses). An overall figure of 1/2000 might therefore be appropriate.


Given the estimates in the last two paragraphs (one close-enough passage every 50 years, one chance in 2000 of spotting it on each passage), the a priori probability of discovery for x991 VG was at most one in 100,000 per year. The intended meaning of that statement is that if the Spacewatch telescope were operated in the same way as it is at present, then just one in 100,000 objects like 1991 VG, would be discovered each year, whereas only a handful of man-made rocket bodies have been released onto heliocentric orbits in the plausible epochs. If 1991 VG is indeed a man-made rocket body, then its return to our vicinity and its accidental detection by Spacewatch was a very unlikely event, and thus one estimates that Ps is very small.


II. THE PROBABILITY THAT IT WAS A NATURAL BODY:

Attention is now turned to Pn, the probability that 1991 VG was a natural body. There are two factors which argue against such an identification. The first is the light variations mentioned earlier; the balance of evidence (e.g,, see the image presented in ref. 19, which is distinctly similar to rotating artificial satellite trails frequently seen .in wide-field photographs) supports the idea that 1991 VG is an artificial object. Second, the pre-encounter orbit of 1991 VG was so similar to that of the Earth that it was unstable under close approaches to our planet on a time-scale measured in millennia at most. This is obvious from the above discussion of the frequency of close approaches. The dynamics therefore would require 1991 VG to have recently arrived in that orbit (perhaps as ejecta from a lunar impact?), which is unlikely, if it is an asteroid. The Spacewatch team have suggested13, 26 that there is a population of small asteroids concentrated near the terrestrial orbit, but in general these have either eccentricity or inclination much larger than zero, and semi-major axes differing from unity, so that they are dissimilar from 1991 VG; this is obvious from the fact, as stated above, that the inclusion of 1991 VG in an estimation of the mean terrestrial impact probability quadruples the value obtained using all other asteroids (i.e., including this hypothesized near-Earth belt). One thus must estimate that Pn is small.


Since both Ps and Pn are small, one is forced to conclude, in the absence of new information, that Pa is not zero and indeed seems to be substantial, meaning that 1991 VG is a candidate for consideration as having an alien genesis.
Are there other data that contradict this (i.e., information that forces one to estimate a small value for Pa)? There are no accepted identifications of alien artifacts, but if the 1991 VG episode were characteristic of terrestrial visitations then would these have been spotted in the past? Spacewatch is the first such surveillance programme to patrol deep space, so the absence of similar episodes is not surprising. Ground-based military surveillance of near-Earth space relies upon optical sensors for ranges over 10,000 km, the radar detectibility limit being ~10-m at that range28,29; data from such programmes do not contradict the alien probe interpretation, especially since the flux of small asteroids is much higher and objects found to be in non-geocentric orbits are soon discarded.


III. THE PROBABILITY THAT IT WAS AN ALIEN ARTIFACT:

The final point to be discussed, on the basis of the alien artifact interpretation, is whether 1991 VG was under control, or making a random passage by the Earth (i.e., an inert artificial object). If the latter then one can estimate the population from the probability of discovery of ~0.00001 per annum, and the Spacewatch team having discovered one such object in five years of operation. Thus one would estimate ~20,000 as being the population in similar orbits (contra the Fermi Paradox), and thus about one per decade to hit the Earth or one per century to fall onto the populated regions of the globe. Observations (or the lack of them) do not preclude this possibility. On the other hand, continued searching with Spacewatch, and, one hopes, within a few years with the more powerful Spaceg,uard system30, would turn up other examples of such a substantial population. The non-detection of such a population would indicate that 1991 VG is unlikeIy to have been an inert alien probe. Conversely, only about one in 50 objects passing randomly within 0.022 AU have perigee heights as low as 0.0031 AU, as was observed in the case of 1991 VG, leading to the possibility that it was a singular alien spaceprobe on a controlled reconnaissance mission. This interpretation would not be limited by the probabilistic analysis given above, since the probe could have been directed to make repeated close passages.


The above has been intended to provide prima facie evidence that 1991 VG is a candidate alien artifact. The alternative explanations that it was a peculiar asteroid, or a man-made body are both estimated to be unlikely, but require further investigation. In connection with the former, it will be of interest to see whether sky-surveillance programmes reveal asteroids with similar orbital and light-curve properties as 1991 VG. For the latter, each of the handful of rocket bodies which mankind has left in heliocentric orbits in the plausible launch windows requires detailed investigation' are their initial. heliocentric orbits known, was fuel left on board any of them, are their physical parameters such that non-gravitational forces could plausibly bring them back to the Earth within a few decades, could they fit the observed spectral reflectivity of 1991 VG? My personal bias is that 1991 VG was indeed an artificial object, but an anthropogenic one. The point is that such an interpretation, which will likely be favoured by most, requires: (i) the action of non-gravitational forces which are not known to have occurred; (ii) the chance return of one of a very small number of man-made objects left on heliocentric orbits in acceptable epochs; (iii) that return to have been unusually close, given its geocentric distance at discovery; and (iv) the object to have been spotted despite long odds against such discovery. If 1991 VG is a returned man-made rocket body, it was very much a fluke that it was observed, and the normal process of science then requires that we consider the possibility of some other origin for it.


AND NOW THIS:

In February 1942, barely two months into World War II, in an event that became known as the Battle of Los Angeles, a giant airborne object of unknown origin overflew the Los Angeles basin causing an area wide panic and an entire blackout of southern California. The object, seen by thousands, was pounded by over 1400 rounds of coast defense guns for a several hour period, seemingly escaping unharmed by direct hits. In a letter or memo of communication sent by then U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt to U.S. Army Chief of Staff General George C. Marshall, dated February 27, 1942, two days after the UFO over Los Angeles, FDR refers to "atomic secrets learned from study of celestial devices."

On March 5, 1942, less than two weeks after the above message, Marshall sent another top-secret memo to the President regarding the air raid over Los Angeles stating "it was learned by Army G2 that Rear Admiral Anderson recovered an unidentified airplane off the coast of California with no bearing on conventional explanation. This Headquarters has come to the determination that the mystery airplanes are in fact not earthly and according to secret intelligence sources they are in all probability of interplanetary origin."

All such talk would indicate --- at a very high level --- the potential existance of and possible recovery and retaining of alien artifacts as far back as the early 1940s. Copies of both memos can be found at the Battle of Los Angeles website
http://wanderling.tripod.com/1991_vg.html




Funny they would mention the battle of Los Angeles because the upcoming movie begins with what we thought were meteors coming towards earth are really alien crafts. I wonder if the movie is supposed to be retaliation from the 1942 attack?
 
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Could the Black Knight be another "Monolith" as described in the following "report"?



Can't confirm this, but it damn sure is interesting...



http://www.drboylan.com/monolith2.html






Like I said, can't confirm any of this. I'm not even sure if it ties in. Just thought it would be an interesting before we continue on...






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might be some kind of staging area

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"according to mk,this civilization's weapons aint shit!":lol:
 
according to mk,this civilization's weapons aint shit!":lol:

:eek: :lol:
Lookahere!
I have never said such things!
N E V E R!
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Nukka ... WTF are you trying to do??? :confused:

I got superiors who monitor me from time to time! I aint trying to get reassigned to some backwater planet like Mars, (always dry) or Venus (ever been in a hot as an oven, hydrochloric acid rain thunder storm)

Please stop the madness! :(
 
I think we can pencil you in for a mind sweep late tomorrow night. You have been warned. :cool:

Mind sweep???? for what???? What the hell are you talking about????? Fuck were all those bright light outside my windows last???? I feel so fucking confused!!!!!!






































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