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Okay people we need to talk about Spike Lee's movies of the last 10 years...edit HIGHEST 2 LOWEST another miss???
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nig i use to love horror flicks..i was watching shit like friday the 13th eating chips like that shit was sat morning cartoons, watching nightmare on elm street like it was nothing..i had cable in the crib at an early age so i seen nothing but adult shit..i seen cujo either on tape or it came on tv i forget..i was at 1 of my family members crib and i think 1 of my cuzz was like u wanna see a cool ass movie..i'm like hell yeah..fuck cujo
don't judge them that way - understand that Lucas and Lee are OUTSIDE..
their films and trailers aren't going to follow the hollywood formula...
especially when they make movies that none of the studios wanted to be made in the 1st place...
the game is rigged, the film maker doesn't get to make the trailer - the distributor does
Hollywood shitted on Lucas because he made that movie and they tried to rob him on it too...
hey man all i gotta say i wasn't impressed with the trailer and with the feedback i got it's like i didn't miss nothing by not seeing it
I'm telling you - he is being black balledcuz I like me and the shit I do ..don't hate me for having self esteem..
the star thing is something you need to address HNIC about if it bothers you so much..
as far as spikes output..that man has done well over 30 movies..most of which haven't made that much of profit..and he still can make movies..its just that they aren't connecting like that used to..either he lost a step or the public lost interest..one or the other..
look at his commercial work its good but they get sabotaged by the studios, he is a prime example of why we have a hard time breaking through with independent features
Remember Danny Glover's Toussant L'Ouverture (sic)?
To be real he been bullshitting for a LONG ASS TIME
The game needs him to make more classics but he got away from that
The game needs him to make more classics but he got away from that
Spikes most commercially successful film by far is Inside Man...which was begging for either a sequel of some sort or at least another thriller from that writer and spike since the two of them worked well the first time and yet thats not happened... Spikes out spokenness comes at a price and at this point I assume he probably burned one too bridges with those jews and cacs..
4 years old though bruh? LMAO
My daughter was barely a teen when she saw it and shes still scared of that movie!
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man i still remember when showtime world premier jason part 6 on cable..they showed part 5 first than rite after like at midnite part 6 came on..i begged my bro could i stay up and watch that shit in his room..man i remember watching the opening scene
when that nig got hit by lighting and raised up and ripped dude heart out i was like omg this is the greatest shit ever and was mad hyped
than at the end of the movie when they played this track
u couldn't tell me shit..i damn near knew that song word for word at some point in my life
hey man real 80's baby grew up fast..especially if u had cable..hbo/showtime..throw in an older bro and forget about it..me and my older bro still joke about how he took me to see full metal jacket at the movies when i was like 6 or 7..he laughs till this day how i was dying at the vietnamese chick saying me so horny and how i was laughing my ass off that when i was young..he was like yeah my lil bro is kinda advance cause he's laughing cause he actually understands what she mean..like i said b4 i seen robocop in the movies and we all kno that was raw as hell..night of the living dead, the thing, aliens, etc i grew up watching and loving all that shit..my bro use to joke around and be like we're raising a future serial killer cause something is very odd when a 5/6yr old is begging to watch jason part 6 on tv at midnite and he's literally in the room laughing his ass off and cheering during killing scenes..like i said horror flicks was prob top 2 maybe 3 fave genres growing up
man i still remember when showtime world premier jason part 6 on cable..they showed part 5 first than rite after like at midnite part 6 came on..i begged my bro could i stay up and watch that shit in his room..man i remember watching the opening scene
when that nig got hit by lighting and raised up and ripped dude heart out i was like omg this is the greatest shit ever and was mad hyped
than at the end of the movie when they played this track
u couldn't tell me shit..i damn near knew that song word for word at some point in my life
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Because niaggas let cacs convence them to be suspicious of him. And they see him as a racist attention seeker. Why ? Because he made "when the levees broke " and Malcolm X . If he made movies about maids and slaves then niggas would love him.
Niggas will go see saving privite Ryan twice and buy the blueray....but get mad at spike for making a WW2 movie about black soliders. ...sad
Niggas will go see saving privite Ryan twice and buy the blueray....but get mad at spike for making a WW2 movie about black soliders. ...sad
How have they pushed him out? Real question.
And hasn't Netflix opened an avenue for distribution of independent films, documentaries, & series? Without big studio backing & marketing?
I'm asking because I don't know the politics behind it.
Inside man was alright. The only other one that I watched was whet the levees broke. Spike surprised me in this because some of the mature adults say the storm had passed and it was calm. But then all of a sudden they heard the explosions. They thought maybe the transformers had exploded. Spike Lee act like these people did not know what they were talking about. He stated that sometimes after a storm later on lighting or thunder may flash across the sky.
The truth was that Katrina did not break the levees but carefully placed C-4, There were traces of C-4 found when they went to investigate the break.
The only true flop's he had was Miracle at St. Anna and Oldboy. Red Hook Summer, Sweet Blood of Jesus and Chiraq wern't even in enough theaters to make money. Chiraq's was a on demand release that they put in a few theaters and it did well.
I have liked his films. Critics and fans have been programmed to the way others have made films. You can't stray away from that blueprint. Now Red HOok Summer....that shit was trash. That I will say. I HATED that movie. I'm a Spike fan but some of that shit I ain't never seen. I thought NBA 2k story mode was cool.
I have liked his films. Critics and fans have been programmed to the way others have made films. You can't stray away from that blueprint. Now Red HOok Summer....that shit was trash. That I will say. I HATED that movie. I'm a Spike fan but some of that shit I ain't never seen. I thought NBA 2k story mode was cool.
but you have to admit that there has been a change somewhere...I mean look at it in ten year chunks and look at the first ten years vs the last ten years..
If you go by HIT - MISS - OK.... then what does it look like?
THE EARLY YEARS
1986 She's Gotta Have It - HIT
1988 School Daze - HIT
1989 Do the Right Thing - HIT
1990 Mo' Better Blues - HIT
1991 Jungle Fever - HIT
1992 Malcolm X - HIT
1994 Crooklyn - HIT
1995 Clockers - HIT
1996 Girl 6 - OK
THE MIDDLE YEARS
1996 Get on the Bus - OK
1998 He Got Game - HIT
1999 Summer of Sam - HIT
2000 The Original Kings of Comedy - HIT
2000 Bamboozled - HIT
2002 25th Hour - HIT
2004 She Hate Me - MISS
RECENT YEARS
2006 Inside Man - HIT
2008 Miracle at St. Anna - OK
2012 Red Hook Summer - MISS
2013 Oldboy - MISS
2015 Chi-Raq - MISS
I think generally most peoples list is going to look like that..maybe more OKs than I have but I'm pretty sure the misses will all be in the recent years.
Spike's NEVER had three misses in a row...and you can say lack of studio support this and cacs hate him that and people programmed to do the other...but generally speaking Spike's been accepted in the mainstream more often than not and the fact that he's produced so many films over the last 3 decades makes the lack of studio support argument weak. Something is lacking or lagging in Spike's feature filmmaking output and quality and I think its more to do with him than outside interference.
IMO his documentary and short film output has increased dramatically over the last 20 years and thats where his passion is becoming more and more. His docs are all very good and compelling vs his movies of the last decade. So I think thats where the energy is going and the films come off the way they do.
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I wish he would stop putting Felicia Pearson in his movies.
She can't act her way out of a paper sack. The woman is TERRIBLE.
She is incapable of playing anything other than what she played as Snoop in "The Wire".
Chick actually thought she was doing great acting in "Da Sweet Blood of Jesus", by putting on a dress, a wig and wearing makeup.
She can't act her way out of a paper sack. The woman is TERRIBLE.
She is incapable of playing anything other than what she played as Snoop in "The Wire".
Chick actually thought she was doing great acting in "Da Sweet Blood of Jesus", by putting on a dress, a wig and wearing makeup.
What's your definition of hit or miss? Based on box office? His films have never been big box office hits.
On the movie Malcolm X he said he went by the book. I watched the movie. He did not go by the book on some things. An example would be when Malcolm found out about the babies by the young secretaries. In the book he found out by Elijah son (THE JUDAS). In the movie they showed it was his wife that told him. Spike Lee is a good brother. But a good person can be controlled by someone or some people that are evil.
When the levees broke was a good move. But he was distorting important issues. Those levees were broke by certain people for certain reasons. And nobody with money or position disgusted the race war in New Orleans. Blacks were gunned down by whites and there bodies left out in the streets for weeks. The police, national guard, etc. refused to pick the bodies up. And the killers have been on documentaries bragging about the kills they made. One stated that it was like pheasant season in South Dakota.
Not to mention that he somehow couldnt get funding for Inside Man 2, a sequel to his most successful film box office-wise in this period. No other excuse when considering da absolute shit dat get multiple sequels
I, for one, enjoyed Chi-Raq
He's the modern day Oscar Micheux. As the world changed he's become out of touch with his audience. One cant help but notice Spike is doing a lot of REMAKES/REINTREPRATIONS lately (Oldboy, Da Sweet Blood, Chi-Raq, etc). His best films were the ones he created from scratch.
Out of touch is about the best way to put it
He lost his juice
Don't nobody want to see this bullshit he dropping now
He need to get back to making classics but I don't know if he can
For any artist you have a finite period. One thing with Spike is that he hasn't grown as much as he should considering the amount of movies he has done. He is still very preachy and heavy handed. It worked in the 80's and early 90's but it is quite tired 20 years later.
I didn't mind Chiraq for what it was. It was decent but it is not the type of film that is going to get traction because it is Mighty Aphrodite that is not as funny... He has a hard time doing satire. I remember watching Bamboozled and it was good until he needed to get heavy handed and changed the entire tone of the film. He could have made more of a statement if he were more subtle in his approach but you have to give him the credit for making the movies he wants on his terms.
I didn't mind Chiraq for what it was. It was decent but it is not the type of film that is going to get traction because it is Mighty Aphrodite that is not as funny... He has a hard time doing satire. I remember watching Bamboozled and it was good until he needed to get heavy handed and changed the entire tone of the film. He could have made more of a statement if he were more subtle in his approach but you have to give him the credit for making the movies he wants on his terms.
are you talking business or the perceptions of a fan?
if its perception then yeah you right - but if its business you are comparing apples to oranges here...
there is a huge difference between a commercial release and an art house film, its myopic to compare them when Sweet Blood of Jesus, ChiRaq and Red Hook were not commercial releases.
She's got to have it -was a hit? really? by what criteria?
Spike was accepted in the mainstream more often than not? again by what criteria are you drawing this conclusion?
Have you looked at theatre grosses for his most popular movies? The movies with casts of chocolate and caramel colored actors?
Have you ever looked at how many screens his most popular movies debuted on? vs Inside Man?
Overall you can't judge Spike on his theatre numbers if you aren't looking at who distributed the movie, how many screens it was on and the per screen average.
It seems as if his last ten theatrical movies have been for ten different film studios with ten different distributors. When a studio would rather turn down the opportunity for a successful sequel than ever work with Spike again on an "Inside Man 2" it suggests that 21st Century Spike has burned a LOT of bridges...
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Ninja what???!!!
if you have a TV series Netflix Amazon etc is a new avenue
a feature film still has the same challenges for distribution and profitability as before...
Investors need to see a profit, even if self financed, one needs to cover costs and still mount a marketing campaign... Netflix pays per view and isn't as profitable as a theatre release and licensing on cable.
Studios have built in their profits before even making the film, they have the theatre release, PPV, closed circuit, cable and broadcast fees lined up... An indy still has to work film festivals and do door to door networking in NYC Austin Miami LA Toronto Vancouver etc... every time they have a movie, unless a house like Miramax takes them by the hand (a la Tarantino)
no but theyve always been well received by a black audience...so going by US as opposed to the mainstream spike's films has always been the gold standard..except lately.
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only bridge Spike burned is the "I'm not going to make a pink toe movie because I'm a black film maker that will only do films I want and I love casting people of color in lead roles"...It seems as if his last ten theatrical movies have been for ten different film studios with ten different distributors. When a studio would rather turn down the opportunity for a successful sequel than ever work with Spike again on an "Inside Man 2" it suggests that 21st Century Spike has burned a LOT of bridges...
spikes been doing that since the beginning that aint it..
that is it... the difference is less independent outlets exist now vs the 80s and 90s
there are less studios
less media companies
less independent production house
and?/
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