Oh jesus!!!!

He took Job’s entire family to prove a point to Satan. Which I still believe that Satan tricked God into doing that.

Now Black Jesus? That’s my dude right there :yes:


How can an all knowing omnipotent, omniscient creator be tricked? It can't.
That would basically mean the God in the Bible people choose to except is nothing more than a highly evolved sociopath.

People can have that book. Whatever works to keep people happy.
 
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Never once did our people make an effort to come get us tho. We were dying over here for decades. Now they look down on us. A little envious of how we built something out of nothing. Come here and enjoy the shit we died for. I love my African brothers and sisters but I'm looking at them out the corner of my eyes. We still starving to death right here. Dying in the streets still. No need to travel my brother. So miss me with that shit.
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Help us? We need to help THEM! Man Africa is fucked up! Yes there are beautiful places but the average people there are living at a fourth or less of your lifestyle. Strange you said that cause if the hurricane don't hit us too bad here Im gonna do a post in the next week or two about Africa and their ability to navigate the Atlantic pre christopher colombitch. Man I send money there all I can and Im not even near rich... but seeing the conditions there will rip your heart out. Its 54 countries and some are far better off than others but Somalia, DRC, South Africa, Togo, Ghana, Gam and Zim got some real hurt going on too. If you die never having stepped foot there you've cheated yourself. And if you are able to help, you cheated your people. They DONT hate us.... its bullshit.... they don't understand us, but till very recently they never saw us except in Ghana. Black amerikkkans didn't go anyplace else like they do now. You wont understand them either. The missionaries turn them into mindless zombies with their biblical bullshit and the fight is stripped out of them. When cacs come for the gold, silver, oil, bauxite, ivory, cobalt etc etc... the Africans help them load the trucks!
 
Exactly. Man, can’t use the morals that god gives to look at the world from God’s perspective. It’s an immediate contradiction and why he told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge. Man was never suppose to know the inner workings of God because it wouldnt be understood. Yet, here we are. Free will and all.
Tree of knowledge????? OMG, here's my take,
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You're offering a preface to a question that I vehemently disagree with so I can't respond. I knew of Black Wall street decades ago. It was no secret. I'm not sure what you're basing that statement on. How are either of us able to define how many people in the US knew a particular fact?
According to you nobody knew about Jesus yet billions know about him today.. how you know what people from over 200 countries from centuries ago? Maybe other countries had info and you weren’t informed of them
 
According to you nobody knew about Jesus yet billions know about him today.. how you know what people from over 200 countries from centuries ago? Maybe other countries had info and you weren’t informed of them
How do I know what people from 200 countries from centuries ago knew? I DON'T!!!! I love the way BGOL twists your words then asks you to explain what THEY created! This is the post you're referring to and if you notice I attributed those words to their author Bart D. Ehrman ......

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Bart Ehrman is an oft awarded Princeton educated Theological scholar, professor and author. He has written around 30 books on these subjects. HE made the quote, I'm just reporting it. Reporting it doesn't even mean I agree with it, at least by default it doesn't. So I'm at a loss when you ask me to explain, justify, prove, retract or expound on it. Wrong guy, dude!
 
How do I know what people from 200 countries from centuries ago knew? I DON'T!!!! I love the way BGOL twists your words then asks you to explain what THEY created! This is the post you're referring to and if you notice I attributed those words to their author Bart D. Ehrman ......

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Bart Ehrman is an oft awarded Princeton educated Theological scholar, professor and author. He has written around 30 books on these subjects. HE made the quote, I'm just reporting it. Reporting it doesn't even mean I agree with it, at least by default it doesn't. So I'm at a loss when you ask me to explain, justify, prove, retract or expound on it. Wrong guy, dude!
The way it came off like you said it yourself.. my fault you was on your master baker attention whore rant.. let me fall back and do some algebra
 
The way it came off like you said it yourself.. my fault you was on your master baker attention whore rant.. let me fall back and do some algebra
Aww, so you're angry because my religious opinions don't mimic yours? Reflect on this moment next time you're ragging on
Al Qaeda, Hizballah or Isis. Cause you're exactly like them, just less prepared to deliver a coherent, constructive and cohesive argument or demand. If it makes you feel any better, feel free to slather me with N words and insults. I expect no better of you. I've been called everything but anorexic, you childlike tantrum won't even register!
 
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Aww, so you're angry because my religious opinions don't mimic yours? Reflect on this moment next time you're ragging on
Al Qaeda, Hizballah or Isis. You're exactly like them, just less prepared to deliver a coherent, constructive and cohesive argument or demand. If it makes you feel any better, feel free to slather me with N words and insults. I expect no better of you. I've been called everything but anorexic, you childlike tantrum won't even register!
Lol you think I’m angry? Bwahaaa dude you the 1 with the long winded post.. I could careless about your master baker type post.. I literally wanted to entertain myself by asking you random questions to your solo diary post.. who said I’m a Christain? Outside of a funeral or wedding I haven’t stepped inside of a church since I was like 8... ragging on al qaeda wtf are you talking about are random words leaving your mouth without any thought process being used? You never heard me talk about them fake American created propaganda groups.. you sound more hurt cause I said I’m going to do algebra.. you having flashbacks of that failed post you tried to erase.. you were more hurt by that algebra comment than anything
 
There’s thousands of recipes to make chicken.. depending on location, upbringing, history, word of mouth, cooking style, preparation, etc is what recipe you use or how you cook it... everybody will have a story on how they learn how to cook a certain chicken dish... just like 200 countries with diff backgrounds, history will have diff origin stories of how god affected their life... you take a snake species and put them in 200 diff countries and let a few hundred yrs past.. guess what due to environment, prey, predators, climate, etc those snakes will have diff diets, be diff sizes, might be diff colors, might have diff strategies on how they move about, diff population sizes, thanks to adaptation and survival the snakes would come from the same origin but will all have changed overtime
 
The bible doesn't condone brutality that was chattle slavery here and elsewhere. We were dehumanized to justify the treatment we received, and this still goes on today with police brutality and the treatment of immigrants (kids in cages etc)

There are several members here far more knowledgeable than I when it comes to biblical history. If you want a decent discussion most likely you will need to bump this thread next week. Too many folks are preoccupied with the election right now.
False.

Exodus 21:16 ESV / 4,203 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.
Ephesians 6:5 ESV / 3,779 helpful votes
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,
Leviticus 25:44-46 ESV / 3,563 helpful votes
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
Exodus 21:20-21 ESV / 3,472 helpful votes
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

Titus 2:9-10 ESV / 2,772 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior

Exodus 21:2 ESV / 2,151 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.
Deuteronomy 24:7 ESV / 2,002 helpful votes
“If a man is found stealing one of his brothers of the people of Israel, and if he treats him as a slave or sells him, then that thief shall die. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Exodus 21:1-36 ESV / 1,999 helpful votes
“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ ...

Timothy 6:1-2 ESV / 1,962 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Let all who are under a yoke as slaves regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brothers; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their good service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these things.

There's a lot more but you get the picture, now wait till you see what the bible says about rape! The good book!
 
False.

Exodus 21:16 ESV / 4,203 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.
Ephesians 6:5 ESV / 3,779 helpful votes
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,
Leviticus 25:44-46 ESV / 3,563 helpful votes
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
Exodus 21:20-21 ESV / 3,472 helpful votes
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

Titus 2:9-10 ESV / 2,772 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior

Exodus 21:2 ESV / 2,151 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.
Deuteronomy 24:7 ESV / 2,002 helpful votes
“If a man is found stealing one of his brothers of the people of Israel, and if he treats him as a slave or sells him, then that thief shall die. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Exodus 21:1-36 ESV / 1,999 helpful votes
“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ ...

Timothy 6:1-2 ESV / 1,962 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Let all who are under a yoke as slaves regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brothers; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their good service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these things.

There's a lot more but you get the picture, now wait till you see what the bible says about rape! The good book!

Nice. Now go quote new testament as we are under the new covenant.
 
There’s thousands of recipes to make chicken.. depending on location, upbringing, history, word of mouth, cooking style, preparation, etc is what recipe you use or how you cook it... everybody will have a story on how they learn how to cook a certain chicken dish... just like 200 countries with diff backgrounds, history will have diff origin stories of how god affected their life... you take a snake species and put them in 200 diff countries and let a few hundred yrs past.. guess what due to environment, prey, predators, climate, etc those snakes will have diff diets, be diff sizes, might be diff colors, might have diff strategies on how they move about, diff population sizes, thanks to adaptation and survival the snakes would come from the same origin but will all have changed overtime
That's a good point TBNY but the bible, from what I was always told, is the word of the ONE GOD, and that's a lot more defined than a chicken recipe. Of course we know that's not true as the Vatican is holding countless books of the bible that nobody but them have ever seen and if these writings were the true word of an omnipotent supreme being, who would have the balls to edit his work and make cuts and rejections?
 
Nice. Now go quote new testament as we are under the new covenant.
Who on earth has the authority to declare we are guided by the new covenant? Someone stood and said ignore what god said before, and now do this! Who was that? And while you're out looking for that answer, stop by the nearest synagogue and ask the rabbi if we're under the new covenant, please. LOL This is exactly what I'm talking about. Or in other words..... THERE ARE 4400 RELIGIONS IN THE WORLD AND EVERYONE ON EARTH IS GOING TO HELL ACCORDING TO AT LEAST 4399 OF THEM. (feel lucky?) ........... YOU are under the new covenant... most of the world is not. Most of the world isn't ever christian!
 
That's a good point TBNY but the bible, from what I was always told, is the word of the ONE GOD, and that's a lot more defined than a chicken recipe. Of course we know that's not true as the Vatican is holding countless books of the bible that nobody but them have ever seen and if these writings were the true word of an omnipotent supreme being, who would have the balls to edit his work and make cuts and rejections?
If you go outside earth I’m pretty sure other beings from diff planets , universe have diff info about the creator.. there’s a source and than it’s everything that came from it.. how each species interpret it falls on them... if a ufo crashes and 200 people see it from diff angles each person will have similar stories but all will tell it from a diff point of view.. it will be similar and also differ.. that could be the Bible or diff books of worship in a nutshell
 
The go to answer if the sheep lol show me where jesus condems slavery in the new testament.

I don't recall him discussing it at all, but you can't view scripture on certain cultural issues from today's perspective of black/white thinking. God's own people were enslaved. To simplify history and try to make God anti-black or against black interests because of slavery in America and white folks using it to oppress would make it follow He was anti Israel and the Jewish people because they were enslaved also.

Under the New Testament instruction is given to treat slaves well. Folks were obviously choosing which passages they wanted to apply, and the fact we were not seen as Christian or even human, is a factor. Folks were debating whether or not we had souls. Laws were passed so that if we became Christian we couldn't be freed, because you had folks seeking to do evil and and what they were doing did not line up with scripture. Modern day GOP. The stuff they are doing to immigrants alone is cause for a national curse.
 
you can't view scripture on certain cultural issues from today's perspective of black/white thinking.
why not, we're talking about an all knowing all seeing omnipotent god here. Not the paperboy in Bethlehem. You're saying god had no idea what the hot topics would be in 2020! OK keep talking, he's loosing his luster as you speak
 
I don't recall him discussing it at all, but you can't view scripture on certain cultural issues from today's perspective of black/white thinking. God's own people were enslaved. To simplify history and try to make God anti-black or against black interests because of slavery in America and white folks using it to oppress would make it follow He was anti Israel and the Jewish people because they were enslaved also.

Under the New Testament instruction is given to treat slaves well. Folks were obviously choosing which passages they wanted to apply, and the fact we were not seen as Christian or even human, is a factor. Folks were debating whether or not we had souls. Laws were passed so that if we became Christian we couldn't be freed, because you had folks seeking to do evil and and what they were doing did not line up with scripture. Modern day GOP. The stuff they are doing to immigrants alone is cause for a national curse.
Oh well at least the new testament instructed people to treat their human property well. Good thing God took time out to damn working on the Sabbath and eating swine. Guess he was too tied up to revise the whole slavery and rape thing.
 
Why would they? According to folks like you, god created the earth AND the heavens.
According to me every1 has walked their on path in life which means every1 has their own individual story.. who you are, what created you, your choices in life, your concepts and ideas, what you want to do is diff in each individual.. so just like all 7.6 billion people on this earth has a diff story, outside species has diff stories.. all the planets, universe wasn’t created at the same time, so each individual whether human, animal, insect, alien has an origin story and why they were created and their existence are diff thanx to the creator or the source of all being
 
According to me every1 has walked their on path in life which means every1 has their own individual story.. who you are, what created you, your choices in life, your concepts and ideas, what you want to do is diff in each individual.. so just like all 7.6 billion people on this earth has a diff story, outside species has diff stories.. all the planets, universe wasn’t created at the same time, so each individual whether human, animal, insect, alien has an origin story and why they were created and their existence are diff thanx to the creator
That's fine, but what good have you done for a place like Africa teaching them to be passive in the face of grand exploitation, that Jesus will swoop from the sky and fix everything. I defy any christian..... you, your pastor, or any theologian alive to name one solitary thing that they can prove jesus has ever done for anybody in 2000 years. That's pretty heavy. And I will save time and answer for you. YOU CAN'T!
 
Who on earth has the authority to declare we are guided by the new covenant? Someone stood and said ignore what god said before, and now do this! Who was that? And while you're out looking for that answer, stop by the nearest synagogue and ask the rabbi if we're under the new covenant, please. LOL This is exactly what I'm talking about. Or in other words..... THERE ARE 4400 RELIGIONS IN THE WORLD AND EVERYONE ON EARTH IS GOING TO HELL ACCORDING TO AT LEAST 4399 OF THEM. (feel lucky?) ........... YOU are under the new covenant... most of the world is not. Most of the world isn't ever christian!

Yeah I do feel lucky. I have my own personal experience with God, so my faith is secure. The discussion is in regard to the bible. Not all the other religions of the world. All people who have accepted Christ are under the New Covenant. If you have not accepted Christ, you are under the law, according to the bible. Things have changed. We aren't giving animal sacrifices or having a million laws to memorize and obey. God's commandments apply to Christians, not other folks. I'm speaking of guidance on how to live, not judgement for non believers. In fact there are passages against attempting to holding nonbelievers to Christian standards.

As far as Christians go this is what we need to worry about: You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.


When you love your neighbor you don't need a law stating not to enslave, or rape, or do evil toward them.

Now I'm through with this discussion, so stop tagging me in it.
 
why not, we're talking about an all knowing all seeing omnipotent god here. Not the paperboy in Bethlehem. You're saying god had no idea what the hot topics would be in 2020! OK keep talking, he's loosing his luster as you speak
You are obviously an atheist which means your belief system is a bunch of random shit just happens with no explanation.. life =just a bunch of random shit, death = bunch of random shit... humans happening to be lucky enough to be a part of a planet that we can survive on..imagine if we were put on Mars we would all be dead.. but hey don’t need an explanation how that came to be just a bunch of random shit just happening... sun being an energy source for planet and life nope no need for explanation just a bunch of random shit just happening.. imagine if all the fish were on land and all the land animals were in the ocean..that would of been a fucked up outcome but hey it’s just coincidence we were all lucky to fall in the same place.. just a bunch of random shit just happening.. the book of randomness..cool story
 
Yeah I do feel lucky. I have my own personal experience with God, so my faith is secure. The discussion is in regard to the bible. Not all the other religions of the world. All people who have accepted Christ are under the New Covenant. If you have not accepted Christ, you are under the law, according to the bible. Things have changed. We aren't giving animal sacrifices or having a million laws to memorize and obey. God's commandments apply to Christians, not other folks. I'm speaking of guidance on how to live, not judgement for non believers. In fact there are passages against attempting to holding nonbelievers to Christian standards.

As far as Christians go this is what we need to worry about: You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.


When you love your neighbor you don't need a law stating not to enslave, or rape, or do evil toward them.

Now I'm through with this discussion, so stop tagging me in it.
Sorry this is a Roach Motel, you came in, I didn't drag you in so I can tag anyone I please. But you don't have to answer. That's how it works. This ain't Sunday School, this is the boys. You never shouda touched the knob, the questions only get tougher. Now I ask you what I asked another. Don't worry, it's mostly rhetorical cause you couldn't answer if you tried. I defy any christian..... you, your pastor, or any theologian alive to name one solitary thing that they can prove jesus has ever done for anybody in 2000 years. That's pretty heavy. And I will save time and answer for you. YOU CAN'T! And remember, don't come in my thread, insult me then yell "uncle" cause you don't wanna get checked. Don't talk to me and I guarantee I'll NEVER talk to you.

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That's fine, but what good have you done for a place like Africa teaching them to be passive in the face of grand exploitation, that Jesus will swoop from the sky and fix everything. I defy any christian..... you, your pastor, or any theologian alive to name one solitary thing that they can prove jesus has ever done for anybody in 2000 years. That's pretty heavy. And I will save time and answer for you. YOU CAN'T!
you keep talking to me like I’m a Christian.. i already said Jesus wasn’t god but a messenger with powers according to certain books.. already said I haven’t stepped foot in a church since 8.. i have no pastor.. I’ve read more from a Quran in the past decade than I have from a bible.. I’m not religious I just believe in a higher source.. you never heard me say get on your knees and hope something saves you.. I’m more of a find your own way out of your problems.. or acknowledge from time to time you are insignificant in the great scheme of things.. to comprehend nature and follow it, to know there’s a source to everything that exist..ill tell you there is power in energy.. energy can be the source of everything.. you never heard me say be passive to any1 who treats you like shit.. wrath and karma is something I’m a firm believer in.. so learn who you replying to before you respond.. you keep sounding like a person who words randomly come out his mouth without a single thought behind them


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Sorry this is a Roach Motel, you came in, I didn't drag you in so I can tag anyone I please. But you don't have to answer. That's how it works. This ain't Sunday School, this is the boys. You never shouda touched the knob, the questions only get tougher. Now I ask you what I asked another. Don't worry, it's mostly rhetorical cause you couldn't answer if you tried. I defy any christian..... you, your pastor, or any theologian alive to name one solitary thing that they can prove jesus has ever done for anybody in 2000 years. That's pretty heavy. And I will save time and answer for you. YOU CAN'T! And remember, don't come in my thread, insult me then yell "uncle" cause you don't wanna get checked. Don't talk to me and I guarantee I'll NEVER talk to you.

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you keep talking to me like I’m a Christian.. i already said Jesus wasn’t god but a messenger with powers according to certain books.. already said I haven’t stepped foot in a church since 8.. i have no pastor.. I’ve read more from a Quran in the past decade than I have from a bible.. I’m not religious I just believe in a higher source.. you never heard me say get on your knees and hope something saves you.. I’m more of a find your own way out of your problems.. or acknowledge from time to time you are insignificant in the great scheme of things.. to comprehend nature and follow it, to know there’s a source to everything that exist..ill tell you there is power in energy.. energy can be the source of everything.. you never heard me say be passive to any1 who treats you like shit.. wrath and karma is something I’m a firm believer in.. so learn who you replying to before you respond.. you keep sounding like a person who words randomly come out his mouth without a single thought behind them


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If I come across as a bit aloof, it's just the sheer volume of activity that comes my way. Both supportive as well as hostile. But I'm hearing you.
 
If God is omnipotent, free will is a lie. So either "he's" not and he isn't all-powerful, or every action you make is set in stone because he knows it will happen. Either way it's all rubbish.
good point.... if god knows what I'll be doing tomorrow at noon, then there can be no free will, which means nobody deserves heaven or hell and the whole shit show falls apart. u right.
 
If I come across as a bit aloof, it's just the sheer volume of activity that comes my way. Both supportive as well as hostile. But I'm hearing you.
I cant believe in karma, because in order for karma to exist it would have to be controlled by an intelligent entity that is all knowing and that is the description of the god we've been taught to accept. I certainly don't believe in the popular interpretation of the supreme being others worship so there can be no karma. Good things don't happen to good people and bad things to bad people. That's a million miles from truth. Both good and bad things happen to both good and bad people with about the same relative frequency. People who live in church, pray every day up to and including those who are fanatical with their worship face the same maladies as the rest of the human race in the same numbers, with the same outcomes. Life give nothing tangible to believers and worshippers. They may report they feel better in their hearts or blah blah blah, ... that's called the placebo effect. Nothing mystical about it.
 
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