Official Meek Mill vs. Drake all disses thread (if meek dont respond now smh)

rappers have been using writers since day one

so what makes Drake any more of a fraud than anyone else

He's a confirmed fraud maybe?

I think all this excusing the ghostwriter shit some of you cats are doing is corny. Meek's diss was ass and he really defeat himself, but Drake is not coming out of this unscathed :smh: fam has a ghostwriter and anything he drops or has ever dropped is questionable and renders him ineligible for the title :dunno:

All the "man, all rappers have ghostwriters" shit you cats are saying is just conjecture. I have never heard a reference track or confirmed ghostwriter for Nas, Jay, Scarface, Wu-Tang, etc etc. stop with the excuses
 
He's a confirmed fraud maybe?

I think all this excusing the ghostwriter shit some of you cats are doing is corny. Meek's diss was ass and he really defeat himself, but Drake is not coming out of this unscathed :smh: fam has a ghostwriter and anything he drops or has ever dropped is questionable and renders him ineligible for the title :dunno:

All the "man, all rappers have ghostwriters" shit you cats are saying is just conjecture. I have never heard a reference track or confirmed ghostwriter for Nas, Jay, Scarface, Wu-Tang, etc etc. stop with the excuses

i ain't making excuses for any of them

shit it hurt my heart when i heard dre didn't write Still Dre...:lol:


but it is what it is
 
Those who respect lyrics and artistry won't let the ghostwriten lyrics slide. I don't care about he "Business" whatsoever, I care about the craft and the respect. This isn't R&B, Country or anyother form of music. This is Hip Hop and Hip Hop is about being authentic, from it's core it's about writing from what's within you.

Ask J. Cole and Kendrick if they have writers. If we found out Nas and Jay z had ghostwriters I'm sure there would be a huge backlash emotionally from fans. If Common and Mos Def came out saying they used ghostwriters that'd be a huge issue because we believe what they rap about is from them.

Yes I know some such as Dre, Puff and other artists have used ghostwriters but they're not view as lyricists.

Kendrick admitted to using a ghostwriter on King Kunta track. However, I would be hard pressed to say Kemdrick wasn't a lyricist.

All people have to do is check the liner notes in the cd booklets to see if artist had any writing help. You can be a great rapper lyricist but song writing is something everyone isn't good at. I don't think it takes away from the greatness of the artist if they have writers on a few songs with them. But if they have co-writers on EVERY song they ever put out then I'd say they aren't authentic.


Backstory: popular Atlanta DJ, DJ Drama, was originally supposed to host Drake's mixtape. Drake decided in the end to not employ DJ Drama as a host and instead to release the tape as an album of throwaways.

DJ Drama got upset and became spiteful. He took the ref tracks, which showed that Atlanta rapper Quentin Miller wrote 3 hooks/choruses (Used To, Know Yourself, 10 Bands) and around 20-22 bars collectively (4-6 on Rico, 16 on 10 Bands) which Drake kept. Drake did credit QM on the album as a co-writer but Drama still saw an opening.

He sold the ref tracks to Meek Mill, confident that Meek would ruin/body Drake. However, things did not go in Meek's favor. He tweeted his disappointment this morning.


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DJ Drama is a bitch then too. :smh: Ho ass DJ.

So now because a nigga give you a few lines that you give him credit for on a song you wrote now your authenticity is in question. :smh:

So do we really think Drake is getting credit and popularity he doesn't deserve?
 
he should be done. he can't be trusted. if you don't work with him he'll sell you out.

Bills these industry dudes watching

Meek pretty black balled himself out of the industry and will be right back in philly asking the same niggas who put him on for help again lmaoo

Drama ain't nobody fuckin wit Duke.. Him and flex and all them big dog pit pull niggas
 
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So does that make it right?



All are what?




Yes it is..Hip-hop has always been about authenticity and being a fucking cop is basically being a fraud when all you spit about is Dope.

Drake is a fraud because he spits about being "hip-hop"..he is not.




You must be young cause I have heard much worse.

Naw it don't make it right but it doesn't make it new either is all i'm saying. If you got a problem with it now than you should've had a problem with it in the 90's when it started and paved the way for niggas like Aubrey to do it.
 
Naw it don't make it right but it doesn't make it new either is all i'm saying. If you got a problem with it now than you should've had a problem with it in the 90's when it started and paved the way for niggas like Aubrey to do it.

yep .. all i was sayin
 
Drama gonna be good. He cool with the right people. He pissed off Aubrey. Only cats who ain't gonna fuck with him are the cats who don't want to get exposed. :lol:

I think it's bigger than that.. This punk nigga got mad cause drake ain't give him throw aways and instead used them for the last album he dropped..

Why Drama mad? That's some high level bitch shit.. Who would want to fuck with him? I know established artist won't but niggas who trying to get put on will
 
i think what we are finding out is that all these niggas are just as soft as drake is:lol:

plenty bitchassness to go around

They are man. I done seen how some of these cats move. You rap about how much money you got and how hard body you are but when I see you out in the club you around 20 security guards and shit isolated from anyone.

And to Aubrey's credit he been told y'all he ain't gangsta. I'm not sure how or why people thought he was but I mean his life was already out there prior to him even being a rapper. He couldn't pretend to be a gangsta if he tried.
 
I think it's bigger than that.. This punk nigga got mad cause drake ain't give him throw aways and instead used them for the last album he dropped..

Why Drama mad? That's some high level bitch shit.. Who would want to fuck with him? I know established artist won't but niggas who trying to get put on will

That was gonna be easy money for Drama. He was gonna cake and it kept his brand out there. Drama brand ain't as hot as it once because the guys he was hosting mixtapes for ain't as hot as they once was like TIP, Wayne, etc. He ain't getting Jay. He not getting Kanye or Eminem. He's not getting K Dot or Cole. Drake is the biggest cat in the game and he had his name attached to his project and it was gone. I understand why he mad. It was gonna benefit Drama more than it was Drake at this point. Drake doesn't even need someone to host his mixtape.

I get why he's upset. But he showcased his emotional side if he truly did make those tweets. But let's make no mistake. Drama still good. He's still one of the most popular DJ's out right now. Shit he's on tour with Wiz and Fall Out Boy right now. He still got his connects. I guess he possibly hurt any future shit he could've done with Drake but IMO he was never gonna do shit with Drake anyway.
 
truth....
rap & hip hop was thought to be different...no faking the funk. But most singers do not write their lyrics for their songs, actors do not write the lines for their movies...HECK EVEN PRESIDENTS DO NOT WRITE THEIR OWN SPEECHES!

It seems as if rap was sacred and true to some, but the game is all messed up right now.

:lol:

The Outing of Drake: Ghostwriting Is As Old As Hip-Hop

Controversy erupted this week when rapper Meek Mill accused Drake of hiring ghostwriters for his raps, but from The Sugarhill Gang to Dr. Dre, rappers have been using ghostwriters since day one.

The Meek Mill vs. Drake “beef” has once again stirred one of hip-hop’s most reliable hornet’s nests—accusations of ghostwriting. Nothing gets artists, fans, and media in an uproar faster than someone declaring that a beloved rapper doesn’t write his own rhymes. Twitter almost exploded four years ago when it was alleged that the legendary Nas didn’t write every word of his Untitled album.

During a Twitter rant earlier this week, Meek alleged that Drake doesn’t write his own raps, including their track “R.I.C.O.” off Meek's recent album. “Stop comparing drake to me too.... He don’t write his own raps! That’s why he ain’t tweet my album because we found out!” Meek tweeted. “He ain’t even write that verse on my album and if I woulda knew I woulda took it off my album..... I don’t trick my fans! Lol.”

Funkmaster Flex then released a “guide track” for Drake’s “10 Bands” (it was subsequently taken down) and Noah “40” Shebib took to Twitter to defend the rapper he’s been collaborating with for years as fans called Drake a “fake” and the insults began to fly. Drake’s response? “I signed up for greatness. This comes with it,” he wrote on Instagram. The entire situation spawned a reliably pretentious and rambling “open letter” from Lupe Fiasco (of course), who explained that ghostwriting is not new and that commercial radio is to blame for wherever you think hip-hop is in 2015.

“Modern Radio and the commercial realm of music has injured rap,” he wrote via Instagram. “It set up ambiguous rules and systems for success that don’t take into consideration the quality and skill of the rappers craft. It redefined rap as just being a beat driven hook with some words in between and an entire generation has surrendered to chasing the format instead of chasing the art form. While mastering any format should be the pursuit of any self-respecting rapper including the commercial format it must be kept clear that it is just one of many formats and that you should strive to master all of them.”

Lupe is correct in that ghostwriting is something that has always existed in hip-hop. Almost from the very beginning of hip-hop records being made.

The first hit hip-hop song was ghostwritten. “Rapper’s Delight” was the first hip-hop tune to chart and it briefly made The Sugarhill Gang stars. But Big Bank Hank, Wonder Mike and Master Gee were just three guys recruited to record rhymes that had been written by Grandmaster Caz of the Cold Crush Brothers. In that moment, they not only became pioneers for rap music hitting the pop charts—they became pioneers in rappers becoming famous for songs written by other emcees.

“The Message” is on the short list of greatest hip-hop songs ever made, but it was written by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five as a group. The song only featured rhymes by session musician Duke Bootee and Melle Mel of the Furious Five. The other members of the group mimed along to Bootee’s verses in the video.

The Beastie Boys’ “Slow and Low” was actually ghostwritten by Run-DMC—who themselves weren’t above reciting someone else’s rhymes. LL Cool J ghostwrote “Can You Rock It Like This” from their platinum-selling second album King of Rock, and their 1993 track “Hit ‘Em Hard” (which was produced by Kay Gee of Naughty By Nature) features raps that sound suspiciously like Naughty By Nature’s frontman and resident rhyme animal, Treach. Fans also believed Treach wrote raps for his bandmate, Vin Rock, and for his cousin, Queen Latifah (“Latifah’s Had It Up To Here.”)

For almost 25 years, there have been whispers that DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince’s classic hit single “Summertime” featured verses that were actually written by Rakim. Jeff, for his part, dismissed the speculation as totally false, and explained the confusion to the Village Voice in 2011. “Will was always very hyper and I told him, ‘Bring it back. Vibe with it,’‘ Townes said. ‘And when he did that, everyone was like, ‘Wow. He sounds like Rakim.’ From the first day we played the record for people, they thought it was Rakim. When we first released it, everyone was like, ‘Did you hear that new song that Rakim did?’” But Will Smith did use ghostwriters later in his career, namely Nas—who wrote verses for Big Willie Style-era Smith on songs like ”Miami” and the infamous “Gettin’ Jiggy Wit It.”

Wu-Tang Clan’s Method Man has confirmed that a lot of his late bandmate Ol’ Dirty Bastard’s solo debut was written by Clan members RZA and GZA. Salt-N-Pepa are among hip-hop’s most commercially successful acts, but it’s been stated that superproducer Hurby “Luv Bug” Azor wrote the majority of the raps for the group. And in one instance, they had a more celebrated name behind the pen: Kool G Rap. The lispy-voiced wordsmith from Queens is said to have written “Chick On the Side” for the girls way back in 1986 before he became famous—and one of the most notoriously misogynistic figures in hip-hop.

Similarly, it’s unclear how much of Lil Kim’s popular 1996 debut album Hard Core featured her own rhymes and how much of it featured those written by her late mentor, the Notorious B.I.G. But when a “guide track” surfaced of Biggie doing the rhymes from her anthemic “Queen Bitch,” it gave credence to critics who had speculated that Kimmy wasn’t exactly the creator of her persona and wasn’t the person originally coming up with those raunchy rhymes.

Dr. Dre is one of hip-hop’s most celebrated producers, but it’s fairly well-known that he’s not a guy who wrote his rhymes whenever he left the booth and grabbed the microphone. Most of his early Ruthless material was written by the D.O.C. and Ice Cube—and when Dre left Ruthless to forge Death Row, the D.O.C.’s rhymes also made up the bulk of Dre’s verses on The Chronic. And his 2001 album featured raps written by Jay-Z. Dre’s also had verses penned by Rakim, Eminem, and Royce Da 5’9—so one thing you can’t accuse him of is bad taste in writers. Interestingly, from 1992 to 1995, Dre engaged in a highly-publicized beef with his former N.W.A. bandmate Eazy E. Dre dropped the scathing Eazy diss “Dre Day,” and Eazy responded with “Real Muthaphuckkin Gs”—a song that featured Eazy verses written by assorted Ruthless Records artists. So in essence, one of hip-hop’s most famous verbal wars was waged by two guys who both needed ghostwriters to do battle.

Like Dre, Diddy is an iconic hip-hop figure who’s never been accused of being a microphone fiend. When he’s stepped out front to drop his own mealy-mouthed verses, Sean Combs has typically had someone penning rhymes for him. His blockbuster No Way Out album featured verses from Ma$e and the Notorious B.I.G.—who penned Diddy’s famous verse on “Victory,” among others—and later on, Diddy recruited guys like Fabolous, The Game, T.I., and a very noticeable Pharoah Monche to write verses on Press Play.

More recently, Kanye West was accused by his former G.O.O.D. Music rapper Consequence of hiring a team of uncredited ghostwriters for his albums. And West’s recent single, “All Day,” contained as many as 20 credited songwriters on the track, including Kendrick Lamar.

The controversy surrounding Drake and Meek Mill will probably be dead within a week. Meek has apologized to his girlfriend Nicki Minaj at a concert in Virginia for disrespecting her buddy and labelmate, and ghostwriting accusations have never stopped fans from being fans. But it’s past time for us to be a little more realistic about this—especially in an age where artists churn out a seemingly endless string of albums, standalone singles, mixtape tracks, and guest appearances. The sheer bulk of material alone suggests that somebody has to be using ghostwriters. It’s naïve to think otherwise. So, unless you think your favorite rapper never utters an original verse, spare us the faux outrage.

And don’t get so riled up about Drizzy’s ghostbustin’.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-drake-ghostwriting-is-as-old-as-hip-hop.html

what utter bullshit... not one of the examples given are thought of as references to measure the lyrical ability of the rapper, most were crafted to be hit songs / singles. As to the other comparisons, more bullshit... Hip Hop has always been personal expression, its the only reason to not just listen to pop singers. Its absurd and ignorant comparing rap to a politician or actors in movie or play... fucking idiotic like comparing Hitchcock to VanGogh...

Salt n Pepa n even MC Lyte were aways clear about not writing Latifah used to avoid the question but I know for a fact her hottest stuff including Just Another Day was written for her by ghost or credit.
there has always been a line in hiphop between fake and authentic.
There is no real shame for honestly using a writer for a song/record... The problem with Meeks accusation and the reference tracks is that it attacks the heart of Drakes flow, his originality. It directly shadows any of the tracks that his musicality and or lyrical ability shined.

Imagine if Rakim admitted microphone fiend was ghosted or a reference track surfaced for a writer that "helped" Kane with RAW, or KRS with Criminal Minded, or Jay with 22 2s, Biggie with Unbelievable, or Busta and Qtip on Scenario or just Busta's feature on Look at Me Now? etc etc
 
Deletes DJ Drama mixtapes from my folder.

Keep the bitch niggas coming. I'm gaining mad space...

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I thought I read K Dot admitted that him and Black Hippy always bounce shit off each other. Y'all really think rappers sit in a room and write lyrics by themselves and then go out and rap it? Yeah, i'm sure there are some guys who do but i've heard long before now about how guys bounce shit off each other. I'm not even a big Aubrey fan but to act like what he did is foreign to hip hop is laughable. Shit even go look at Kanye and Jay Z booklets. Them niggas be having 20 niggas on one song producing and writing for them.

Shit did Rhymefest write Jesus Walks for Yeezy?
 
what utter bullshit... not one of the examples given are thought of as references to measure the lyrical ability of the rapper, most were crafted to be hit songs / singles. As to the other comparisons, more bullshit... Hip Hop has always been personal expression, its the only reason to not just listen to pop singers. Its absurd and ignorant comparing rap to a politician or actors in movie or play... fucking idiotic like comparing Hitchcock to VanGogh...

Salt n Pepa n even MC Lyte were aways clear about not writing Latifah used to avoid the question but I know for a fact her hottest stuff including Just Another Day was written for her by ghost or credit.
there has always been a line in hiphop between fake and authentic.
There is no real shame for honestly using a writer for a song/record... The problem with Meeks accusation and the reference tracks is that it attacks the heart of Drakes flow, his originality. It directly shadows any of the tracks that his musicality and or lyrical ability shined.

Imagine if Rakim admitted microphone fiend was ghosted or a reference track surfaced for a writer that "helped" Kane with RAW, or KRS with Criminal Minded, or Jay with 22 2s, Biggie with Unbelievable, or Busta and Qtip on Scenario or just Busta's feature on Look at Me Now? etc etc

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Deletes DJ Drama mixtapes from my folder.

Keep the bitch niggas coming. I'm gaining mad space...

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90% of the niggas in rap bitch niggas so you might as well keep deleting. :lol: You'll fuck around and free up 500 gigs. :lol:
 
Deletes DJ Drama mixtapes from my folder.

Keep the bitch niggas coming. I'm gaining mad space...

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Aaaawww mayne! :smh:

Got to Dedication and Quality Street Music. I had to close my eyes and hit delete. That was tough. Fuck.

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90% of the niggas in rap bitch niggas so you might as well keep deleting. [emoji38] You'll fuck around and free up 500 gigs. [emoji38]
As long as they keep that shit to themselves, I'm good.

One tweet. Delete. :itsawrap:

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Dudes are defending using ghostwriters?

Ya'll going to defend getting peed on too? A little pee is good for the skin :lol:
 
I thought I read K Dot admitted that him and Black Hippy always bounce shit off each other. Y'all really think rappers sit in a room and write lyrics by themselves and then go out and rap it? Yeah, i'm sure there are some guys who do but i've heard long before now about how guys bounce shit off each other. I'm not even a big Aubrey fan but to act like what he did is foreign to hip hop is laughable. Shit even go look at Kanye and Jay Z booklets. Them niggas be having 20 niggas on one song producing and writing for them.

Shit did Rhymefest write Jesus Walks for Yeezy?

no. just stop.

bouncing ideas off of each other ain't the problem.

go look at jay-z booklets. its his name. whoever is featured on the song with an actual speaking part and the producer that's it.

kanye yes he has 30 people on the shit cause he does get people to write for him.

drake isn't bouncing ideas. he is reciting full 16's someone else wrote. let's stop trying to muddy the waters on this shit.

asking if this sounds cool..and then someone saying maybe try it like this..and then you tweaking it and polishing it yourself

is not the same as listening to a verse...going into the booth and reciting the verse exactly how you heard it written and then passing it off as your own work.

period.
 
Nawl Drama been a bitch since that shit between Gucci & Jeezy went down. This ain't nothin' new...Don Cannon called his ass a bitch too when they fell out...Drama is always in the middle of something looking like a bitch...
 
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I thought I read K Dot admitted that him and Black Hippy always bounce shit off each other. Y'all really think rappers sit in a room and write lyrics by themselves and then go out and rap it? Yeah, i'm sure there are some guys who do but i've heard long before now about how guys bounce shit off each other. I'm not even a big Aubrey fan but to act like what he did is foreign to hip hop is laughable. Shit even go look at Kanye and Jay Z booklets. Them niggas be having 20 niggas on one song producing and writing for them.

Shit did Rhymefest write Jesus Walks for Yeezy?

This what you talking about?:lol:



Vague and gossip. And stop generalizing. TDE is a blue collar crew. Emcees got too much pride for that. If you provide some evidence, I'll believe it. Of course emcees feed off each other but ghostwriting?, you guys are vague as hell.:smh:
 
no. just stop.

bouncing ideas off of each other ain't the problem.

go look at jay-z booklets. its his name. whoever is featured on the song with an actual speaking part and the producer that's it.

kanye yes he has 30 people on the shit cause he does get people to write for him.

drake isn't bouncing ideas. he is reciting full 16's someone else wrote. let's stop trying to muddy the waters on this shit.

asking if this sounds cool..and then someone saying maybe try it like this..and then you tweaking it and polishing it yourself

is not the same as listening to a verse...going into the booth and reciting the verse exactly how you heard it written and then passing it off as your own work.

period.

Not muddying the waters but we talking about a mixtape record. :lol: Shit wasn't even that hot. :lol:

50 Cent admitted to writing shit for Game on his album.

Y'all can act like this is new. I'm not defending what Drake did. My stance is that its been going on and i'm shocked y'all just now finding out.

When Game dropped his R.E.D. Album on August 23, however, both Lamar and Jay-Z protégé J. Cole received writing credit on “Drug Test,” a song neither of them appeared on vocally. Instead, the song features Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, singer Sly and, of course, Game.
 
This what you talking about?:lol:



Vague and gossip. And stop generalizing. TDE is a blue collar crew. Emcees got too much pride for that. If you provide some evidence, I'll believe it. Of course emcees feed off each other but ghostwriting?, you guys are vague as hell.:smh:


Y'all pushing the goal post back. What's the difference between me writing a 16 for you and writing a hook for you? Either way you not writing your shit. How many niggas wrote hooks for Nas?
 
Y'all pushing the goal post back. What's the difference between me writing a 16 for you and writing a hook for you? Either way you not writing your shit. How many niggas wrote hooks for Nas?
quite a few helped him...

I've seen producers write hooks - rappers get help with hooks all of the time -thats not an issue - the issue with Drake is the reference track... shit in that reference trac, I'm hearing shit that I would have sworn was Drake's. The little shit that should be truly creative and personal : the adlibs and improv scat or holding a note dragging a syllable for a second mid flow, the stutter... his trademarks
 
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Not muddying the waters but we talking about a mixtape record. :lol: Shit wasn't even that hot. :lol:

50 Cent admitted to writing shit for Game on his album.

Y'all can act like this is new. I'm not defending what Drake did. My stance is that its been going on and i'm shocked y'all just now finding out.

you are muddying it. writing a hook ain't even an offense. we're talking about verses. the 16 bars that's supposed to be yours period.

don't matter if it wasn't that hot.. it was hot enough for drake to snatch it up right?

it IS new. no rapper that is in the conversation as an mc is having their bars written for them

and then the quote you include has a song featuring dr dre whom we know doesn't write shit lol

and 50 wrote HOOKS on the games album.. you see how you're trying to muddy the shit up again? he ain't write game VERSES. he wrote HOOKS

:smh:
 
Y'all pushing the goal post back. What's the difference between me writing a 16 for you and writing a hook for you? Either way you not writing your shit. How many niggas wrote hooks for Nas?



the difference between a hook and a verse is the hook can be a collaborative effort especially since most times its not even the actual rapper saying the hook.. hooks are just part of the song. the verse is owned by the rapper. that is the part of the song that determines whether the person has actual talent or not.

muddy waters once again lol
 
If meek can find out back to back has a reference track, he might be able to come back, cause you can't defend yourself about using a ghost writer with a battle rap written by a ghost writer
 
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