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wasn't it obvious that they called out of bounds in lieu of a PF?
wasn't it obvious that they called out of bounds in lieu of a PF?
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wow, after game 1 couldn't find a celts fan. Celts win one game and all of the sudden...
Yeah man i checked the board last night after the game and all kinds of Kobe/Laker related threads were on the front page. I bet if this thread hadn't been made a sticky it would've gotten pushed to the third page after Game 1True there were bullshit calls going both ways but what you have to look at is the time in the game those calls were made. Those back to back BS calls on Artest when he was guarding Pierce and Kobes' 3rd and 4th fouls came at crucial points of the game
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wasn't it obvious that they called out of bounds in lieu of a PF?
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Dog, the C's were forced to put Sheldon fucking Williams in the game and he singlehandedly allowed the Lakers to cut the halftime deficit to 6.
Can't blame the refs for this one, their poor performance affected both teams.
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and didnt he throw the ball away AGAIN after Kobe hit that three and Kobe got another chance at a 3 before the buzzer
EDIT...you already included that one...
and didnt he throw the ball away AGAIN after Kobe hit that three and Kobe got another chance at a 3 before the buzzer
EDIT...you already included that one...
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Yeah...that Kobe on Rondo thing is NOT going to work. Rondo is way too quick for Kobe.
Yeah...that Kobe on Rondo thing is NOT going to work. Rondo is way too quick for Kobe.
Yo...you wouldnt even know they were playing....especially KG and Odom...
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No doubt the foul situation affected him but even still...Rondo is too fast for Kobe...too easy for him to get into the lane with Kobe on him. I dont like that matchup for the Lakers.
Kobe should have Ray Allen.
Either way, this is much different than the previous rounds where Kobe didnt need to expend any energy on the defensive end.
Yeah, especially a Kobe with 5 fouls.
No doubt the foul situation affected him but even still...Rondo is too fast for Kobe...too easy for him to get into the lane with Kobe on him. I dont like that matchup for the Lakers.
Kobe should have Ray Allen.
Either way, this is much different than the previous rounds where Kobe didnt need to expend any energy on the defensive end.
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before the 5 fouls, who did tobe play good D on?
Yeah, especially a Kobe with 5 fouls.
before the 5 fouls, who did tobe play good D on?
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they tried that too.
tobe was lazy and tried to go under the screens.
they tried that too.
tobe was lazy and tried to go under the screens.
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I guess he forgot he was playing against Jesus...
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Niggas sound like overpaid NBA players in here crying about foul calls last night. The shit was bad both ways. Game 2 was no better than game 1. Which fan is going to be true to their team and admit that there are other players on the fucking team other than super stars.
Bostons bench help get them over the hump. Nate came in for about 5 mins and gave a quick 7 points early in the 4th (that was HUGE imo). Rasheed and Big Baby chipped in very nicely coming off the bench.
LA's bigs played great but LA's productivity from the guard (pg) position was par. I really was baffled by Phil's decision to maintain Kobe guarding Rondo. Obviously this is not 2008 anymore and the boi has improved. Artest and Odom needs show up for LA period.
This series will come down to who literally has the best team and not the best Superstars. Foul trouble will be the name of this series and somebody other than Gasol and Kobe will have to be a factor. Yall should praise Bynum for helping yall not get blown out last night. Boston time and time again has shown that other players on their team are capable of winning games. When I look at LA its always Gasol and Kobe (and sometimes Artest or Odom will show up, but never together). I think the C's have more combinations to work with depending on the night but the defense will be there. LA has a clear advantage down low but they settle with shooting 5-22 from the 3 point line.
It's too easy to blame it on the Refs. When a man gets in foul trouble its up to the next man to be ready to step up. When Kobe got in foul trouble Bynum held it down. They just needed Fish (34 mins played last night), Artest (40 minutes!!!!), Odom, Farmar, Brown, or whoever to step up and chip in just about 7 more points and they couldn't do it.
Niggas sound like overpaid NBA players in here crying about foul calls last night. The shit was bad both ways. Game 2 was no better than game 1. Which fan is going to be true to their team and admit that there are other players on the fucking team other than super stars.
Bostons bench help get them over the hump. Nate came in for about 5 mins and gave a quick 7 points early in the 4th (that was HUGE imo). Rasheed and Big Baby chipped in very nicely coming off the bench.
LA's bigs played great but LA's productivity from the guard (pg) position was par. I really was baffled by Phil's decision to maintain Kobe guarding Rondo. Obviously this is not 2008 anymore and the boi has improved. Artest and Odom needs show up for LA period.
This series will come down to who literally has the best team and not the best Superstars. Foul trouble will be the name of this series and somebody other than Gasol and Kobe will have to be a factor. Yall should praise Bynum for helping yall not get blown out last night. Boston time and time again has shown that other players on their team are capable of winning games. When I look at LA its always Gasol and Kobe (and sometimes Artest or Odom will show up, but never together). I think the C's have more combinations to work with depending on the night but the defense will be there. LA has a clear advantage down low but they settle with shooting 5-22 from the 3 point line.
It's too easy to blame it on the Refs. When a man gets in foul trouble its up to the next man to be ready to step up. When Kobe got in foul trouble Bynum held it down. They just needed Fish (34 mins played last night), Artest (40 minutes!!!!), Odom, Farmar, Brown, or whoever to step up and chip in just about 7 more points and they couldn't do it.
co/sign.
if the celtics 'win' the championship, they didn't deserve it. straight up. the only way they can beat us is to cheat us. it was fukin 7 against 5 all night on the court....5 celtics and 2 officials against the laker starting 5
Just like a Lakers fan. Celts deserve everything they earn. The refs made fucked up calls equally on both squads. What about the fouls where nobody even touched Kobe? Care to mention that?
@ y'all in here surprised that Kobe can actually get 5 fouls called on him. Once the Superstar treatment stops, these folks become human. Refs fucked up period. They played for the Lakers AND Celtics.Y'all forgetting that the refs fucked RAY ALLEN in game 1.
and he made y'all niggas pay for it.
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Yeah..I saw that too. He should be able to handle Ray Allen though. He cant fall asleep off the ball. You can cheat against a shooter like Allen because his release his release is so damn quick.
Brown, Kobe, etc should have done a much better job of denying Allen the ball.
Yeah..I saw that too. He should be able to handle Ray Allen though. He cant fall asleep off the ball. You can cheat against a shooter like Allen because his release his release is so damn quick.
Brown, Kobe, etc should have done a much better job of denying Allen the ball.
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It is so damn obvious man. You have two 7 footers that cant be stopped in the post.. One shoots 7-9 and one 6-10 and they make 20 free throws between the two of them and you STOP going to the post
when i read diamels' and eewwll's posts this morning i tripped out.
you cats came out of left field with that bullshit about putting the ball in the post more during Q4.
where do you guys come up with that wacky shit?
It is so damn obvious man. You have two 7 footers that cant be stopped in the post.. One shoots 7-9 and one 6-10 and they make 20 free throws between the two of them and you STOP going to the post
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Yeah...Nate really came up big ...that was exactly the type of quick production they needed off the bench.
Yeah...Nate really came up big ...that was exactly the type of quick production they needed off the bench.
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Bynum can absolutely be stopped in the post. He's Dwight Jr. It's Pau that can't be stopped, and I have no idea why they don't exploit that more.
It is so damn obvious man. You have two 7 footers that cant be stopped in the post.. One shoots 7-9 and one 6-10 and they make 20 free throws between the two of them and you STOP going to the post
Bynum can absolutely be stopped in the post. He's Dwight Jr. It's Pau that can't be stopped, and I have no idea why they don't exploit that more.
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i've never heard such a theory espoused before.
surely it's better to take long distance shot than short range shots, isn't it?
it's better to have 1 player take a third of the team total 3FGAs, isn't it?
c'mon, son.
i've never heard such a theory espoused before.
surely it's better to take long distance shot than short range shots, isn't it?
it's better to have 1 player take a third of the team total 3FGAs, isn't it?
c'mon, son.
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Basically...
It is so damn obvious man. You have two 7 footers that cant be stopped in the post.. One shoots 7-9 and one 6-10 and they make 20 free throws between the two of them and you STOP going to the post
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Im talking about in THIS particular series. Im not talking about overall. Obviously, he doesnt even remotely have the post game of Gasol...but against a short front court like Boston, he doesnt need it. He can score easily just by going over the top of the smaller forwards and center.
Im talking about in THIS particular series. Im not talking about overall. Obviously, he doesnt even remotely have the post game of Gasol...but against a short front court like Boston, he doesnt need it. He can score easily just by going over the top of the smaller forwards and center.
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True their two 7 footers played well, but it is difficult to continuously pound the ball inside all game long. Bynum and Gasol do not play all game so there will be a sudden change of game plan that will revert the Lakers to a jump shooting team once they go to the bench.
The only way that LA's post game can maximize its' effectiveness is to hit 3's when Gasol passes out the double team. That will create more space for Gasol, Bynum and Odom in the paint as well as more driving lanes for LA's guards to make plays for easier buckets.
It is so damn obvious man. You have two 7 footers that cant be stopped in the post.. One shoots 7-9 and one 6-10 and they make 20 free throws between the two of them and you STOP going to the post
True their two 7 footers played well, but it is difficult to continuously pound the ball inside all game long. Bynum and Gasol do not play all game so there will be a sudden change of game plan that will revert the Lakers to a jump shooting team once they go to the bench.
The only way that LA's post game can maximize its' effectiveness is to hit 3's when Gasol passes out the double team. That will create more space for Gasol, Bynum and Odom in the paint as well as more driving lanes for LA's guards to make plays for easier buckets.
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The only problem is when your starting sf, pg and shooting guard shoot 10%, 25% and 40% respectively. You have to keep em a little bit honest.
The only problem is when your starting sf, pg and shooting guard shoot 10%, 25% and 40% respectively. You have to keep em a little bit honest.
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Even if they dont shoot the ball, they should still continue to get touches. What Im saying is that the Lakers are unbeatable when they effectively run the triple post. The triangle presupposes that you will get the ball in the post and either the post player will get a shot or draw help and hit shooters in open spots on the floor.
But the ball stopped going to the post..and that is why offensive production came to a halt for the big men but also....players like Fisher feed on getting to the open spot and hitting the open 18 footer.... he doesnt create his own offense...
so the Laker offense gets all fucked up when they start jacking up 3s, etc without the ball going in the past...
Even if they dont shoot the ball, they should still continue to get touches. What Im saying is that the Lakers are unbeatable when they effectively run the triple post. The triangle presupposes that you will get the ball in the post and either the post player will get a shot or draw help and hit shooters in open spots on the floor.
But the ball stopped going to the post..and that is why offensive production came to a halt for the big men but also....players like Fisher feed on getting to the open spot and hitting the open 18 footer.... he doesnt create his own offense...
so the Laker offense gets all fucked up when they start jacking up 3s, etc without the ball going in the past...
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Yea, in THIS series he's been limited to dunks and put backs. Boston's front court can absolutely D him up...they've been doing it too. Big Baby blocked his freaking dunk (Cleanly, I might add). They haven't had tremendous success just giving him the ball on the post.
Yea, in THIS series he's been limited to dunks and put backs. Boston's front court can absolutely D him up...they've been doing it too. Big Baby blocked his freaking dunk (Cleanly, I might add). They haven't had tremendous success just giving him the ball on the post.
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So, they gave Boston the ball instead of calling Garnett for the foul?
wasn't it obvious that they called out of bounds in lieu of a PF?
So, they gave Boston the ball instead of calling Garnett for the foul?
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How would it be a foul on Garnett for Pau slapping his hand?
You can't have it both ways. That would've been a ticky tack foul to give to Pau, so Celtics ball was the right call.
So, they gave Boston the ball instead of calling Garnett for the foul?
How would it be a foul on Garnett for Pau slapping his hand?
You can't have it both ways. That would've been a ticky tack foul to give to Pau, so Celtics ball was the right call.
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kind of like what the celtics got from paul pierce and kevin garnett?
the fakers fan scapegoating never ceases. did people watch the game yesterday? for real?
i've read a lot of things this morning about ron artest going 1-10 FGAs, but if people actually watched the game, they'd know he cancelled out quite a few of those misses ON HIS OWN.
who was rajon rondo torching in Q4 to create separation down the stretch?
in Q1, after pau gasol scored 8 points in less than 3 minutes, who immediately starting chucking (and hacking) so that pau gasol didn't get another FGA in the quarter?
in Q2, why was there a more than 10 minute span where pau gasol didn't get an FGA? was somebody chucking and hacking and stopping ball movement and fakers offensive flow? 2 FGAs in Q2 for pau gasol.
in Q3, pau gasol went 3-3 FGAs. why did he only get ONE FGA in Q4 (with 17.9 seconds left and the game decided) instead of the chuckster?
kind of like what the celtics got from paul pierce and kevin garnett?
the fakers fan scapegoating never ceases. did people watch the game yesterday? for real?
i've read a lot of things this morning about ron artest going 1-10 FGAs, but if people actually watched the game, they'd know he cancelled out quite a few of those misses ON HIS OWN.
who was rajon rondo torching in Q4 to create separation down the stretch?
in Q1, after pau gasol scored 8 points in less than 3 minutes, who immediately starting chucking (and hacking) so that pau gasol didn't get another FGA in the quarter?
in Q2, why was there a more than 10 minute span where pau gasol didn't get an FGA? was somebody chucking and hacking and stopping ball movement and fakers offensive flow? 2 FGAs in Q2 for pau gasol.
in Q3, pau gasol went 3-3 FGAs. why did he only get ONE FGA in Q4 (with 17.9 seconds left and the game decided) instead of the chuckster?
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kind of like what the celtics got from paul pierce and kevin garnett?
the fakers fan scapegoating never ceases. did people watch the game yesterday? for real?
i've read a lot of things this morning about ron artest going 1-10 FGAs, but if people actually watched the game, they'd know he cancelled out quite a few of those misses ON HIS OWN.
who was rajon rondo torching in Q4 to create separation down the stretch?
in Q1, after pau gasol scored 8 points in less than 3 minutes, who immediately starting chucking (and hacking) so that pau gasol didn't get another FGA in the quarter?
in Q2, why was there a more than 10 minute span where pau gasol didn't get an FGA? was somebody chucking and hacking and stopping ball movement and fakers offensive flow? 2 FGAs in Q2 for pau gasol.
in Q3, pau gasol went 3-3 FGAs. why did he only get ONE FGA in Q4 (with 17.9 seconds left and the game decided) instead of the chuckster?
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Bynum is still 10-16 from the field in the series. He is definitely outworking Boston on the offensive glass but he is talling and more athletic than the other bigs for Boston.
However, I dont think they are really LIMITING him to dunks... I think it just signifies that he can get easy buckets against the undersized Boston front court...and when Gasol and Bynum are in their together, it is a wrap.
The ball should be going to Gasol repeatedly in the post, but the reality of the matter is that Bynum will also effectively get high percentage shots against Boston as well.
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying.
Bynum is not even in the same class as Gasol as a low post player and may never be.... but what I saying is that Bynum is shooting close to 70 percent in this series, so that signifies that he should also get the ball in the low post as well.
and that is not even discussing the FOULS that Boston is wracking up trying to defend those two.
Bynum shot 12 free throws in game 2 man.. that means he is a problem for Boston..
Bynum is still 10-16 from the field in the series. He is definitely outworking Boston on the offensive glass but he is talling and more athletic than the other bigs for Boston.
However, I dont think they are really LIMITING him to dunks... I think it just signifies that he can get easy buckets against the undersized Boston front court...and when Gasol and Bynum are in their together, it is a wrap.
The ball should be going to Gasol repeatedly in the post, but the reality of the matter is that Bynum will also effectively get high percentage shots against Boston as well.
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying.
Bynum is not even in the same class as Gasol as a low post player and may never be.... but what I saying is that Bynum is shooting close to 70 percent in this series, so that signifies that he should also get the ball in the low post as well.
and that is not even discussing the FOULS that Boston is wracking up trying to defend those two.
Bynum shot 12 free throws in game 2 man.. that means he is a problem for Boston..
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