Remember when Ray first met Chelsea, and he said, " She's got a huge set of balls! "
RIP
Official JUSTIFIED Discussion Thread UPDATE: They BACK new mini series! Justified: City Primeval
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RIP
Showrunner Graham Yost revealed in an Entertainment Weekly interview last week that the Hatian Jean-Baptist's sudden exit came at the behest of actor Edi Gathegi, who didn't like the role, so don't expect the vagueness and overall silliness of Danny's explanation for his departure to be elaborated upon; it's just one of those "wave your hand and it's done" type of things.
Let’s talk about Danny’s scene with Kendal and Jean-Baptiste (Edi Gathegi). I did not see Jean-Baptiste’s death coming.
Nor did we. (Laughs) So the Danny-Kendal scene, we wanted to establish this thing that Danny’s got, the idea of the 21 foot rule. You can look it up online. The idea is supposedly that within 21 feet, a guy with a knife can beat a guy with a gun, if the gun is holstered. If the knifer takes the initiative and starts running as he’s pulling the knife, while the other guy’s trying to pull his gun, the knifer can win. That came up early in the writers room this past summer and was one of the things that we decided to give to Danny from the beginning of the season. Then we wanted to see him torment Kendal with it.
And the idea for Danny to shoot Jean-Baptiste?
Listen, we make our best efforts early on in the season as we hire actors to come on the show, and we can’t always guarantee them what they’re gonna be doing or where it’s gonna go. Getting Edi Gathegi was a big get for us, but the character just wasn’t panning out for him. He didn’t see where it was going, and even though we were thinking that Jean-Baptiste would survive until toward the end of the season, Edi wasn’t enjoying the journey. We had no contract to hold him to, so we said, “Well, let’s kill off Jean-Baptiste in episode 5.”
We weren’t sure how we were gonna do it, and then we watched the scene between Jean-Baptiste and Danny, and it became clear that there was such animosity there, that man it could work. So the scene got adjusted to play it this way. What we then found from that, which you’ll see in subsequent episodes, is that it gave us a lot: It established Danny’s close to psycho pathology and his really bad judgment. And it also was something that happened in front of Kendal. Kendal’s known that he’s living in a crime family, but I don’t know what truly bad stuff he’s seen. You’ll see in subsequent episodes the effect that this has on him and really how that propels us to toward the end of the season.
Showrunner Graham Yost revealed in an Entertainment Weekly interview last week that the Hatian Jean-Baptist's sudden exit came at the behest of actor Edi Gathegi, who didn't like the role, so don't expect the vagueness and overall silliness of Danny's explanation for his departure to be elaborated upon; it's just one of those "wave your hand and it's done" type of things.
Let’s talk about Danny’s scene with Kendal and Jean-Baptiste (Edi Gathegi). I did not see Jean-Baptiste’s death coming.
Nor did we. (Laughs) So the Danny-Kendal scene, we wanted to establish this thing that Danny’s got, the idea of the 21 foot rule. You can look it up online. The idea is supposedly that within 21 feet, a guy with a knife can beat a guy with a gun, if the gun is holstered. If the knifer takes the initiative and starts running as he’s pulling the knife, while the other guy’s trying to pull his gun, the knifer can win. That came up early in the writers room this past summer and was one of the things that we decided to give to Danny from the beginning of the season. Then we wanted to see him torment Kendal with it.
And the idea for Danny to shoot Jean-Baptiste?
Listen, we make our best efforts early on in the season as we hire actors to come on the show, and we can’t always guarantee them what they’re gonna be doing or where it’s gonna go. Getting Edi Gathegi was a big get for us, but the character just wasn’t panning out for him. He didn’t see where it was going, and even though we were thinking that Jean-Baptiste would survive until toward the end of the season, Edi wasn’t enjoying the journey. We had no contract to hold him to, so we said, “Well, let’s kill off Jean-Baptiste in episode 5.”
We weren’t sure how we were gonna do it, and then we watched the scene between Jean-Baptiste and Danny, and it became clear that there was such animosity there, that man it could work. So the scene got adjusted to play it this way. What we then found from that, which you’ll see in subsequent episodes, is that it gave us a lot: It established Danny’s close to psycho pathology and his really bad judgment. And it also was something that happened in front of Kendal. Kendal’s known that he’s living in a crime family, but I don’t know what truly bad stuff he’s seen. You’ll see in subsequent episodes the effect that this has on him and really how that propels us to toward the end of the season.
Gathegi better chill, he's going to end up getting black balled.
I was very disappointed with him, regardless of the specifics.
He KNEW the writers of the show (or SHOULD have) he knows how they do.
He should have trusted them.
But I will say this...I think they were going somewhere with his relationship with the lead Crowe, he trusted him MORE then the brothers and the sister. And even the last episode when he learned the truth you saw the HURT not only about being lied to by everyone in his family but losing JB they were setting that up to be something BIG.
I'm not saying it was going to be something twisted but rewatch those episodes and see how they were showing then to be tight (and the Haitian and the sister along with the son were also shown to be REAL close)...we might never know the TRUE story arc but it is OBVIOUS there was gonna be some huge family conflict.
And just off the opportunity for a Haitian to be represented on one of my all time favorite shows...makes me even angrier because I didn't want them to cast him anyway (he s a good actor though)...he squandered a quality role for other brothers.
I agree. Edi had no further to look than Erica Tazel's character Rachel Brooks. She is in the credits, but she has appeared in the fewest amount of episodes. It doesn't matter, but just trust the writers and their plan. Everybody wants to be more important, because if we aren't we feel that people will feel that we are disposable, even if that isn't the case.
Dave Chappelle said be wary of the White guy in the Black gang because you never know what crazy things he did to earn their respect, well I said the same thing about JB. There was something scary and deep about him, almost lethal like, you even saw it in his last episode. Sad we never got a chance to see it play through because I believe that it would have made for an entertaining story.
playahaitian, I feel you, brother. It's almost like when Black people royally screw up I cringe because of the negative fallback that it could have on other brothers. You felt the same way about this Edi and what he did. Is he truly Haitian or just playing a Haitian character?
RIP
that shit was the funniest thing I've seen on tv in quite sometime
he was really itching to test that knife principal and all it got him was in chelsea's hole
I have to avoid this thread until I can catch up, very amusing episode this week
- Always fun to see Dickie Bennett, he has the worst barber in Kentucky
- "You'd still have your legs if you weren't such an asshole" cold Raylan
- When Ava comes on the screen now I check my email...she bores the hell out of me. She's going to become prison queen, who cares
- Penny is mad she had to abort her prison rape babies???
- I don't think that Boyd is ever getting his heroin
- That lady wants to fuck Wynn Duffy seriously, he better get that mobile home ready
- Dewey alias is Parker Stevenson, doesn't seem like he would have watched the Hardy Boys but.....
- Dewey wanted to get his hoes and play naked Marco Polo again in a new city, but these girls ain't loyal sold him out
- “I love her, but I don’t have the power to make her mine" statement saved the guards life because Boyd realized it applied to him as well
- Ironic that Kendall killed Danny indirectly by being forced to dig the hole for Chelsea. 21 foot rule my ass, Danny fell in a ditch like Wile.E.Coyote
- Daryl Crowe beat his sisters ass...wow that's a redneck for you.
I have to avoid this thread until I can catch up, very amusing episode this week
- Always fun to see Dickie Bennett, he has the worst barber in Kentucky
Told you he has 9lives. Raylin and Boyd owe him a bullet
- "You'd still have your legs if you weren't such an asshole" cold Raylan
- When Ava comes on the screen now I check my email...she bores the hell out of me. She's going to become prison queen, who cares
Not to me, You never know what is going to happen to ava at any minute
- Penny is mad she had to abort her prison rape babies???
- I don't think that Boyd is ever getting his heroin
- That lady wants to fuck Wynn Duffy seriously, he better get that mobile home ready
- Dewey alias is Parker Stevenson, doesn't seem like he would have watched the Hardy Boys but.....
- Dewey wanted to get his hoes and play naked Marco Polo again in a new city, but these girls ain't loyal sold him out
- “I love her, but I don’t have the power to make her mine" statement saved the guards life because Boyd realized it applied to him as well
I dont think he meant in that since. More in the way of "Ava has that effect on people"
- Ironic that Kendall killed Danny indirectly by being forced to dig the hole for Chelsea. 21 foot rule my ass, Danny fell in a ditch like Wile.E.Coyote
We still dont know if Danny could have pulled that off or not.
- Daryl Crowe beat his sisters ass...wow that's a redneck for you.
He was emotional, I dont think he has ever hit her before.
That beating was just...brutal.
And I really think it will be a game changer.
Daryl had a FEW chances to just back off and he didn't.
He hates her.
All that resentment from her wanting to be BETTER then the family manifested.
All his failures and insecurities came to the surface because she WAS right.
But NOW we know he is a complete monster...remember he murked the brother with the Haitian's help earlier.
This dude is MORE dangerous then Boyd on THAT level (remember how he beat that Aryan dude unconscious)
Its always bubbling under the surface he is like Boyd on steroids...and WORSE he is in denial.
And Jay you under Ava's spell too...
I just don't get her.
I can't wait for the, " Assessment/assassination " Or whatever may happen.
That beating was just...brutal.
And I really think it will be a game changer.
Daryl had a FEW chances to just back off and he didn't.
He hates her.
All that resentment from her wanting to be BETTER then the family manifested.
All his failures and insecurities came to the surface because she WAS right.
This is all correct right here. People look at me when I used to go in the hood and sometimes say shit like, "You think you better than me because I carry myself a certain kind of way and speak properly, but they do that because of a feeling of lesser worth within themselves.
She hates the life because she IS better than the life. She wants more for herself but she feels compelled as many people do to help downtrodden close family members who are always fucking up. They can't walk away though they know they should. Darryl feels looked down upon and he thinks that he is deserving of praise for keeping the family together. He can't take the strong coffee when she tells him that he is nowhere near the man their father was and he beats her because it is true and he knows it.
Like Lot's wife Sarah, she would have been better off leaving them to fuck up their lives while she came up on her own in spite of them, now she will waste away like a pillar of salt because she refused to turn her back on them and fell in an almost inescapable trap. Her son is screwed and now she has lost the two people she cared the most about because she couldn't turn her back on what she knew was not worth it, but they were blood.
But NOW we know he is a complete monster...remember he murked the brother with the Haitian's help earlier.
This dude is MORE dangerous then Boyd on THAT level (remember how he beat that Aryan dude unconscious)
Its always bubbling under the surface he is like Boyd on steroids...and WORSE he is in denial.
And Jay you under Ava's spell too...
I just don't get her.
I love this show. I hope one day I can write as well as the writers on this show.
Darryl is done like Fantasia on jeopardy. A mans strength is physical but a woman's strength is verbal and mental. He better kill Wendy like he did Dilly or her crush on Raylan is going to bear fruit
'Justified' star and producer Timothy Olyphant says the series’ end is coming at the right time
Timothy Olyphant says it was time to fire himself.
Even though his bosses were dying for him to stay on the job.
As flawed and skilled U.S. Marshal Raylan Givens, the pivotal character in FX’s hit Tuesday night series “Justified,” Olyphant is a man FX wanted to keep in the house for as long as possible.
“We love ‘Justified,’ ” says FX President John Landgraf. “We were hopeful we could have found a way to have it continue for seasons six and seven.”
Olyphant says he listened to the argument and was appropriately flattered, since “working with FX has been great.”
He also acknowledges that guaranteed work on a hit TV show is not something actors tend to turn down.
But as one of the producers of “Justified,” Olyphant joined showrunner Graham Yost in declaring six years will be enough.
So after “Justified” wraps up the current season on April 8, it will come back for one more run in early 2015 and then ride off into the Kentucky hills.
It will have just slightly outlived Elmore Leonard, the writer who created Givens and many of the other “Justified” characters and who died last August at the age of 87.
“It’s decided,” says Olyphant about the show’s fate. “I haven’t heard an idea yet that called for a seventh season. We will have done what we wanted to do.”
Truth is, Olyphant has been saying since early in season two that he didn’t want “Justified” ever to start feeling redundant.
That’s a common if often unspoken concern with almost all TV shows that are successful enough to run more than two or three seasons. Plot twists and character interactions that felt fresh the first time lose some of their impact when viewers start thinking they’ve seen something like that before, or when stories start to feel a little gimmicky.
“The challenge,” Olyphant says, “has always been to move the characters forward. The characters have to drive the story. We’re careful about not using too many bright shiny objects.”
The freshening elements in “Justified” have included an ever-changing procession of bad guys who eventually exit, often toes-up.
That even applied to Margo Martindale, who won an Emmy for her portrayal of the delightfully insidious matriarch Mags Bennett in season two.
Without question, you miss someone like Mags when her time has to come,” says Olyphant. “But if Raylan is always fighting the same characters, then you can’t develop him, either.”
That’s even a consideration, says Olyphant, with the one seemingly bulletproof bad guy who has been Raylan’s crafty nemesis since season one, Boyd Crowder (Walton Goggins).
“I love playing scenes with Walt,” says Olyphant, who can’t ladle enough praise onto Goggins. “But how many times can you see Raylan and Boyd together without someone paying the price?”
“Justified” has also spruced up the story by moving things around the country. It’s been to Detroit. This year it’s spending time in Florida.
Raylan himself this season has been paying more attention to his new quasi-family, which includes his ex-wife Winona (Natalie Zea) and their infant daughter.
Winona left town, but Raylan seems to have developed an unusually strong attachment to the baby, which is different both for him and for most television and movie lawmen.
“You never see Clint Eastwood raising children,” says Olyphant. “It’s something a little different for Raylan to be in the middle of.”
So there’s some story to play out there. But Raylan is unlikely to become Mr. Mom, and Olyphant says he’d prefer to leave while there’s still some story left and some dimensions not fully explored.
He credits Leonard with helping instill that sort of broader-picture perspective.
“Working with Elmore,” says Olyphant, “allowed me to become more of a student of storytelling.
“He worked in a way that was extremely disciplined. I’d talk with him for an hour — remember, he was in his 80s — and he’d excuse himself because he had to get back to work on his next book.”
And yet at the same time, says Olyphant, “He didn’t take himself very seriously.”
He was accommodating, for instance, when the producers wanted to change something from his original blueprint because it would work better on TV.
Not all writers react that way.
What mattered more to Leonard, Olyphant says, is that a story get the details right.
“When he wrote about something, he wanted to know everything,” says Olyphant. “He was all about professionalism. Whether you were a good guy or a bad guy, the question was how you did your job.
“If you were a car thief, he wanted to know how you did it, the best way to steal a car, everything you had to plan for.
“That focus on professionalism was something I grew to appreciate, for the storytelling and in my own work. I think it made me more disciplined.”
Olyphant’s own plans after he hangs up Raylan’s guns, he says, might include “some good comedy” — which would be a change of pace both from the violent side of “Justified” and his darker role as Sheriff Seth Bullock on HBO’s “Deadwood.”
He did a guest spot this season on Fox’s “The Mindy Project” and says he enjoyed it.
“Whatever happens next,” Olyphant deadpans, “I’m sure will end with some stupid decision on my part.”
In any case, he may have some trouble shaking Raylan, because that’s just the price all actors pay for creating memorable roles.
While Olyphant himself credits Leonard for creating Raylan, Olyphant has given him the mix of constant vigilance, laid-back confidence and droll wit that enables him to survive in an often bloody and dangerous world.
“People want Raylan to shoot the bad guys,” Olyphant says. “And he does. But honestly, to me, the show’s always really been a comedy.”
So does that mean we can plan for a happy ending?
Olyphant just laughs.
“I think in the end Raylan is a lawman,” he says. “It would be hard for him to be anything else.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/timothy-olyphant-justified-time-article-1.1728226
Timothy Olyphant says it was time to fire himself.
Even though his bosses were dying for him to stay on the job.
As flawed and skilled U.S. Marshal Raylan Givens, the pivotal character in FX’s hit Tuesday night series “Justified,” Olyphant is a man FX wanted to keep in the house for as long as possible.
“We love ‘Justified,’ ” says FX President John Landgraf. “We were hopeful we could have found a way to have it continue for seasons six and seven.”
Olyphant says he listened to the argument and was appropriately flattered, since “working with FX has been great.”
He also acknowledges that guaranteed work on a hit TV show is not something actors tend to turn down.
But as one of the producers of “Justified,” Olyphant joined showrunner Graham Yost in declaring six years will be enough.
So after “Justified” wraps up the current season on April 8, it will come back for one more run in early 2015 and then ride off into the Kentucky hills.
It will have just slightly outlived Elmore Leonard, the writer who created Givens and many of the other “Justified” characters and who died last August at the age of 87.
“It’s decided,” says Olyphant about the show’s fate. “I haven’t heard an idea yet that called for a seventh season. We will have done what we wanted to do.”
Truth is, Olyphant has been saying since early in season two that he didn’t want “Justified” ever to start feeling redundant.
That’s a common if often unspoken concern with almost all TV shows that are successful enough to run more than two or three seasons. Plot twists and character interactions that felt fresh the first time lose some of their impact when viewers start thinking they’ve seen something like that before, or when stories start to feel a little gimmicky.
“The challenge,” Olyphant says, “has always been to move the characters forward. The characters have to drive the story. We’re careful about not using too many bright shiny objects.”
The freshening elements in “Justified” have included an ever-changing procession of bad guys who eventually exit, often toes-up.
That even applied to Margo Martindale, who won an Emmy for her portrayal of the delightfully insidious matriarch Mags Bennett in season two.
Without question, you miss someone like Mags when her time has to come,” says Olyphant. “But if Raylan is always fighting the same characters, then you can’t develop him, either.”
That’s even a consideration, says Olyphant, with the one seemingly bulletproof bad guy who has been Raylan’s crafty nemesis since season one, Boyd Crowder (Walton Goggins).
“I love playing scenes with Walt,” says Olyphant, who can’t ladle enough praise onto Goggins. “But how many times can you see Raylan and Boyd together without someone paying the price?”
“Justified” has also spruced up the story by moving things around the country. It’s been to Detroit. This year it’s spending time in Florida.
Raylan himself this season has been paying more attention to his new quasi-family, which includes his ex-wife Winona (Natalie Zea) and their infant daughter.
Winona left town, but Raylan seems to have developed an unusually strong attachment to the baby, which is different both for him and for most television and movie lawmen.
“You never see Clint Eastwood raising children,” says Olyphant. “It’s something a little different for Raylan to be in the middle of.”
So there’s some story to play out there. But Raylan is unlikely to become Mr. Mom, and Olyphant says he’d prefer to leave while there’s still some story left and some dimensions not fully explored.
He credits Leonard with helping instill that sort of broader-picture perspective.
“Working with Elmore,” says Olyphant, “allowed me to become more of a student of storytelling.
“He worked in a way that was extremely disciplined. I’d talk with him for an hour — remember, he was in his 80s — and he’d excuse himself because he had to get back to work on his next book.”
And yet at the same time, says Olyphant, “He didn’t take himself very seriously.”
He was accommodating, for instance, when the producers wanted to change something from his original blueprint because it would work better on TV.
Not all writers react that way.
What mattered more to Leonard, Olyphant says, is that a story get the details right.
“When he wrote about something, he wanted to know everything,” says Olyphant. “He was all about professionalism. Whether you were a good guy or a bad guy, the question was how you did your job.
“If you were a car thief, he wanted to know how you did it, the best way to steal a car, everything you had to plan for.
“That focus on professionalism was something I grew to appreciate, for the storytelling and in my own work. I think it made me more disciplined.”
Olyphant’s own plans after he hangs up Raylan’s guns, he says, might include “some good comedy” — which would be a change of pace both from the violent side of “Justified” and his darker role as Sheriff Seth Bullock on HBO’s “Deadwood.”
He did a guest spot this season on Fox’s “The Mindy Project” and says he enjoyed it.
“Whatever happens next,” Olyphant deadpans, “I’m sure will end with some stupid decision on my part.”
In any case, he may have some trouble shaking Raylan, because that’s just the price all actors pay for creating memorable roles.
While Olyphant himself credits Leonard for creating Raylan, Olyphant has given him the mix of constant vigilance, laid-back confidence and droll wit that enables him to survive in an often bloody and dangerous world.
“People want Raylan to shoot the bad guys,” Olyphant says. “And he does. But honestly, to me, the show’s always really been a comedy.”
So does that mean we can plan for a happy ending?
Olyphant just laughs.
“I think in the end Raylan is a lawman,” he says. “It would be hard for him to be anything else.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/timothy-olyphant-justified-time-article-1.1728226
^^^
Exactly. I got through almost 4 seasons of True Blood before I was like...this shit did a Fonzie on the shark. I love this show and if it does have to end I'd rather it go out before it gets to the True Blood/Dexter phase where you as a viewer are watching it just because.
How about you stay out of my favorite threads.
Official JUSTIFIED thread.
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ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH GAME OF THRONES.
And for good measure ...
Vikings " new history channel show ,game of Thrones?
Keep your homosexual ass out of threads I would like to speak in.
Boyd Fucking Crowder!!!!!
"There aint no way in hell Im gone beg you for my life"
"There aint no way in hell Im gone beg you for my life"
Escalus - the pack of cigarettes Boyd Crowder was holding up at the beginning of the episode likely relates to Romeo and Juliet.
I am Prince Escalus and I represent the authority of Verona. I am neutral in the feud between the Montagues and the Capulets, and desire only peace between them. I have broken up many of their brawls and have warned of severe punishment, including death, if any further unrest is caused. When I am called to the scene of Mercutio’s and Tybalt’s deaths, I show mercy on Romeo and banish him from the city. I am saddened by the deaths of the young couple, Romeo and Juliet, and vow to uphold the law with punishment for some and a pardoning for others.
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Boyd Fucking Crowder!!!!!
"There aint no way in hell Im gone beg you for my life"
Just about the smartest baddest motherfucker on TV, his bad ass was made for HBO. How the fuck is he doing HBO shit on regular cable?
Damn that is a bad ass dude. The ultimate magician, always got something up his sleeve - and if not that one the other one. I'm so glad that they didn't kill him off in the pilot. I don't even want to think of how this series would have been without him. Great actor, great character.
Oh, and the other dude - don't bring your shit in here polluting a thread following me around like some gay ass puppy. You barked at the other pussies that got Ock'ed and they ran off like pussies. You bark at me and I don't move.
Why?
Because I know your ass is tied to a short chain and can't do shit to me, I mean absolutely no threat at all. Using me to me you feel better about your sorry ass life. What kind of man follows another man around trying to scare him off like some ghost on Scooby-Doo damned near 5 years after your lame ass first barked, huh?
I'm still here, not going anywhere and all you are doing is making a menace of yourself with your low self-esteem, insecure ass. Pathetic. You following another grown man around, "Go on. Leave. You're making me feel some type of way by you being here." Grow the fuck up. Damn, how old are you? Say anything over 25 and I'm gonna call you a lie because nobody that old can be such a bitch in front of an entire board unless they are just too stupid to be embarrassed for themselves.
Are you that stupid? Faggot. Queer. Is that shit supposed to bother me? I know the man I am and it is not that. I'm supposed to run off the site for some dude (hold up, are you a dude?) yelling insults at me across the internet in every thread I visit following me around. And then, like the child you are posting the other threads you visit as if to goad me into following you there? I'm not as bitch-made as you are.
Look. I'm not leaving BGOL, and if after 5 years you haven't realized that yet then you are even dumber than you show yourself to be. You are bothering other people and it is getting tiresome because other members have to deal with your nonsense. Grow up, if not for your sake, for the sake of everybody else that is on this amazing board. People often project onto others the sins they see in themselves. Look up the word nuisance and then look in the mirror.
Boyd Fucking Crowder!!!!!
"There aint no way in hell Im gone beg you for my life"
He pulled a James Bond/Mission Impossible trick to get out of that jam.....PERFECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I dont think he put the explosive in the pack until after the first meeting. When they stupidly said to him "This is where we decide to kill you or not"
Boyd will never loose if people keep under estimating him.
"I may not know a lot of things, but I know how to blow shit up!"
And he still offered duffy the same deal when he could have just killed him.
disagree...
I think he thought of it BEFORE the first meeting and even had the explosive on him.
He didn't know the marshal's were coming but knew no one would REALLY check a pack of smokes.
Dude has such foresight he established with EVERYONE (even dudes on his own team) that he would be carrying smokes so that no one would notice.
Its when I saw him click the pack...I KNEW it.
This is how shows should be done.
Breaking Bad and Mad Men (and the king The Wire) are cut from the same cloth, EVERYTHING matters...we went right back to the very FIRST time we met Boyd with that explosion..
this dude is resilient and just keeps on coming just like Raylan.
But UNLIKE Raylan who sees some type of good in EVERYONE until the end,
Boyd KNOWS people are evil including himself.
That is why he is so rarely surprised or disappointed.
"Shit happens, Mr. Picker"
I hate that FX has made me love characters who are white racist sociopath tic assholes...and I have had people ask me to explain myself...
"but they aint my mama."
But I dont think Boyd's Character is a racist at heart, I think As always he has the gift of gab and that was just a phase to build an army.
Your were correct when you said a while back that Only difference between Boyd and Raylin is the star.
Raylin is a terrible Marshal but Is and has been an excellent Gangster.
He took Dickie out into the woods to shoot him.
He threw a bullet at duffy and said the next one will be coming faster.
And Raylin sees a type of good in people? He is an asshole to everyone and thinks they all are up to something.
Raylan lets people live...he is always fighting within himself to be good and prove he is NOTHING like his daddy. But that shadow creeps up and he seeks some sort of justification for his gangster ways.
He has the opportunity to kill or just leave well enough alone but he can't.
And that is why Justified is so damn powerful.
That scene where Boyd decides to let the guard who attacked Ava go?
He UNDERSTOOD...Boyd IS evil and feels like Ava guides him to the best path (Boyd can't ever be a 'good' man but with her he is better) and understands the frustration and challenge of doing the right thing and just being taken over (be it greed or love or lust).
And that is one of the MANY reasons he feels so guilty about Ava because MAYBE if she had been allowed to escape hell even stayed with Raylan she wouldn't be where she is now.
Raylan MAY be an asshole but those friends of his would DIE for him hell even Boyd would KILL anyone before he let them hurt Raylan (not that he wouldn't shoot him himself
)Thats the thing Raylan and Boyd are Both just trying to find their way despite their families and upbringing. EVERYONE is...Crowes, those brothers in the Holla, everyone.
I would love a dream sequence for like 2 episodes that showed what would have happened if Boyd had went to the academy and became a marshal and Raylan had become a career criminal with his daddy.
If my skills were up to par I'd write that damn script myself.
- That was a good streamlined episode, two main story arcs
- Art didn't like Allison packing up her weed, I thought he was gonna take it
- Ava no longer needs to bring a Dairy Queen to Harlan with Boyd she has all the ice cream in lockup
- I was waiting for Art to get shot this season, still shocking
- Nice dose of emotional terrorism from Art's wife towards Raylan en route to hospital
- "The only explaining I ever did in my life was to my Mama" Boyd Crowder classic
- Daryl Crowe is afraid of Raylan used Wendy and Kendall as kevlar vests
- I'm surprised Raylan didn't go with Tim to find Daryl at the hospital.
- Wendy is fucked up...white girls bruise badly. She fell in line though
- Poor Kendal he's hopeless, I think Raylan sees himself in the kid
- Where is my boy Limehouse?...smoking pig in Nobles Holler.
- Good to see Rachael again and well deserved promotion, she's going to have to check Raylan
- Catherine Hale is cold and clever, she's going to be a large player next season “You’re disappointed, aren’t you?” “That people don’t know who you are?” “That I’m still alive.”
- I thought my television skipped when they were all back in the same hotel room and seats after Kendall confessed
- When Boyd asked for the cigarettes that was symbolic for returning to old bad habits, I forgot he was an explosives guy
- R.I.P Picker "I may not know a lot of things but I do know how to blow shit up.”
- Wynn Duffy was all shook up "MIKE CLOSE THE DOOR!"
^^^ with television you suspend belief but I feel you
I really liked Raylan's comment to Tim, who thought he and Raylan should deal with Daryl Crowe themselves because it's what Art would do for them: "I don't think you know Art as well as I do." Is he talking about the fact that Art has been angry about him about not doing things by the book - or is he wondering if he had damaged his relationship with Art so badly that Art wouldn't have done just about anything to bring down someone who shot Raylan?
- Ava no longer needs to bring a Dairy Queen to Harlan with Boyd she has all the ice cream in lockup
- When Boyd asked for the cigarettes that was symbolic for returning to old bad habits, I forgot he was an explosives guy
Interesting Catches!!!
That sir is Mags Bennett!!! I concur that Season 2 was incredible, but Justified is my favorite TV show!!!
I think he meant art wouldn't have went vigilante. Art would play it by the book no matter if he was angry or not.
I think he meant art wouldn't have went vigilante. Art would play it by the book no matter if he was angry or not.[/QUOTE]
Art gave him shit for having old boy killed i season 4, but Raylan did the right thing and the only thing he could do. He said leave my family out of it, but Nicky Augustine would not let it go and felt compelled to keep it going. You cannot reason with someone like that and the R.O.E. do not apply because you cannot just sit and wait for him to shoot first before you defend yourself because the damage he would do would be too much.
Had he not had Nicky killed his wife and daughter AT LEAST would have been killed. Art is too by the book to see it, but Raylan is just outside the book enough to know that he had no choice and Nicky could not say that he wasn't given a chance. Vigilante justice was the only way to handle it and he didn't pull the trigger himself, but let nature take its course. That was a Boyd Crowder kind of move to have Nicky set up on the tarmac like that.
" Fire in the hole! "
Raylan: " Steal money and blow shit up,"
" I asked him to shut down his poison factory and merely made an observation about its combustibility! "
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