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Road Rage is bound to say something absurd from time to time
let it go
ps Derrick Rose as a superstar talent is done in this league
Road Rage is bound to say something absurd from time to time
let it go
ps Derrick Rose as a superstar talent is done in this league
That nigga official jumped off a bridge
Rose been done, that's Jimmy's team now
Rose need to go ahead and start deferring
He has size and can play the 2 plus knock down a open shot plus he is suited to come off the bench and can be an instant spark plug, and Mozgov is the big man in the middle they needed...
JR is a role player with a definite role on the Cavs team.. Most good team has a few superstars surrounded by the right role players, this is why I stand by my original statement, that he and Mozgove are both missing pieces that were lacking before.
And if you think I am talking shit after the Cavs started winning, check my post I noted this while they were in the mist of a 6 game losing streak.
I can't say he's the missing piece but "HIS" style of play is what they wanted Waiters to do catch and shoot...
Waiters style somewhat reflected Kyrie's so I guess that's what made the trade easy.
The new additions have something to do with the flow and mood of the team, but seem like the two egg-heads are starting to let the coach do his job somewhat. It's no doubt dude can coach, but it about running his sets and moving the ball.
Yea defense might be questionable but tuning your coach out and doing whatever is one of the recipes for extended losing streaks.
An inside look at the Cavaliers' 108-94 win over the Chicago Bulls.
Stars of the game
In one of their most balanced games of the season the Cavs got contributions from all precincts. Timofey Mozgov had 15 points and 15 rebounds, Kevin Love had 16 points and 12 rebounds, Kyrie Irving had 18 points and 12 assists, LeBron James had 26 points and Tristan Thompson had 10 rebounds.
How the game turned
The game never turned. The Cavs were in control from wire-to-wire, as their five starters all had big games. James, Irving, Love, Thompson and J.R. Smith combined to outscore the Bulls' five starters, 95-59.
Quotable
"Other teams get up for us, and we have to deal with it." Cavs coach David Blatt.
"They can put a lot of points up on the board. They can make up ground quickly." Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau, on the Cavs.
Q tidbits
o Ohio State coach Urban Meyer and quarterback Cardale Jones were introduced to the crowd between the first and second quarters.
o LeBron James said he did not give any advice to Jones before the Ohio State quarterback decided to return to school rather than declare for the NFL draft. "I did not talk to him at all," said James.
o This was the 14th time the Cavs have played on Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Their record on that day is 9-5.
o The Cavs concluded their West Coast trip with wins in Los Angeles over the Lakers and Clippers on consecutive nights. They are just the third road team to win in L.A. on consecutive nights. Memphis did it in December of 2004 and Dallas did it in October of 2009 and April of 2014.
LeBron's line
Minutes: 36
Points: 26
FGA-FGM: 23-12
3-pt FGA-FGM: 3-0
FTA-FGM: 3-2
Rebounds: 5
Assists: 4
Steals: 0
Turnovers: 6
Stars of the game
In one of their most balanced games of the season the Cavs got contributions from all precincts. Timofey Mozgov had 15 points and 15 rebounds, Kevin Love had 16 points and 12 rebounds, Kyrie Irving had 18 points and 12 assists, LeBron James had 26 points and Tristan Thompson had 10 rebounds.
How the game turned
The game never turned. The Cavs were in control from wire-to-wire, as their five starters all had big games. James, Irving, Love, Thompson and J.R. Smith combined to outscore the Bulls' five starters, 95-59.
Quotable
"Other teams get up for us, and we have to deal with it." Cavs coach David Blatt.
"They can put a lot of points up on the board. They can make up ground quickly." Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau, on the Cavs.
Q tidbits
o Ohio State coach Urban Meyer and quarterback Cardale Jones were introduced to the crowd between the first and second quarters.
o LeBron James said he did not give any advice to Jones before the Ohio State quarterback decided to return to school rather than declare for the NFL draft. "I did not talk to him at all," said James.
o This was the 14th time the Cavs have played on Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Their record on that day is 9-5.
o The Cavs concluded their West Coast trip with wins in Los Angeles over the Lakers and Clippers on consecutive nights. They are just the third road team to win in L.A. on consecutive nights. Memphis did it in December of 2004 and Dallas did it in October of 2009 and April of 2014.
LeBron's line
Minutes: 36
Points: 26
FGA-FGM: 23-12
3-pt FGA-FGM: 3-0
FTA-FGM: 3-2
Rebounds: 5
Assists: 4
Steals: 0
Turnovers: 6
There you have it... and anyone that says that J.R. is not a different player than he was in NY and that he's not been an asset to what the Cavs have been doing since he's been there is talking out of their asses straight up...
JR plays well with an Alpha dog player. In Denver with Chauncey or NY with Kidd (he won 6th man of year) he's gonna thrive off bench with Lebron and Cavs
He got it backwards, if anything Irving and James are the savior while players like Thompson, Mozgov and JR are the complementary pices they were lacking. You can have a 100g car but if its missing the right spark plugs your not going anywhere with it..
RR that's a terrible analogy
Its not an annology, its the truth... Jr., Thompson, Mozgov and even Shumpert are roll players who complement the superstar players, they are not saviors or none of that shit you are talking about... However they are parts that are needed to make the engine run smooth..
Think about it, was Horry/Fisher, Kerr/Harper, Rio/Miller/Allen the saviors to their teams? Or were they key components towards helping their teams win?
Road Rage is bound to say something absurd from time to time
let it go
ps Derrick Rose as a superstar talent is done in this league
Yeah it's over for Pooh
You did. And like you said, a lot of things may not show up in the stat line.
Flipping Waiters for those three pieces could prove huge.
They did move the ball pretty well tonight, but who knows if they are listening to the coach. It could be Lebron ordering things as he did during the last winning streak when he moved Kyrie.
Love still has to find his groove on offense, but he was aggressive.
Waiting for some poster to come in here and start posting stupid ass one liners big uppin' Pooh.... Oh, wait, that same Poster already has moved on the the next big Chicago Dude he has 'inside' info on...
...and Waiters is playing well in OKC so it's worked out so far for everybody
Love looked great tonite, if he stays aggressive he will be ok...
catch and shoot JR might be okay because then he doesnt have to overthink
we can only wait and see how it plays out
we can only wait and see how it plays out
Its not over for him, even though he may not play to the level that he did at the past, he is still a good player more like Vince Carter after the injury than Greg Olden.
This was a liability on the Knicks who was using him as their 2nd option behind Mello, but perfect for his Vinny Johnson roll he is playing on the Cavs, plus his height is also key, him and Mozgov gives the team a much bigger lineup, now its much easier to hide the defensive liability of Love.
This was similar to the problem with the Heat last year, because was injured and especially after Birdman lost his legs, it made the Heat weak at the 2 and the 5 spot, both teams are proving that you cannot win this way in the NBA..
...and Waiters is playing well in OKC so it's worked out so far for everybody
Love looked great tonite, if he stays aggressive he will be ok...
Yeah, I doubt you see gifs of Waiters having to waive for the ball night in, night out. That shit started with the Cavs in preseason. I noticed skip passing going past Waiters. And it was Lebron doing it. Both Waiters and Love were having problems fitting in the offense.
Love is still here and has to deal with it. He has to stay aggressive and demand the ball in spots where he is effective. Love has been too passive and has obviously sacrificed the most between himself and Kyrie. If your 'honorary' PG has a 'get his' mentality, you damn well better stop playing the nice guy.
I can't wait to see what Shump brings to the team.
Waiters shot selection this season wasnt good...I dont see why he had issues with spot shooting....he could have feasted in an off ball role but I am not sure he was satisfied with that
Why play off ball when he can create his own shot
He want no parts of off ball role
Even with the spot shooting, they weren't finding him when he was open. The team has been very inconsistent moving the ball on offense. Waiters and Love both suffered because of poor ball movement and not getting the ball when and where they needed to get the ball.
If Irving adapted to become a true PG, I doubt Waiters even ends up traded.
Waiters has two problems and at times it can be big at times, one is he does not know when his hand is hot or cold.. Most players knows this and tends to adjust their game when they are cold.. Waiters on the other hand shoots the same when he is red hot or ice cold..
JR Smith seems to understand how to ride the hot hand and do other things on the court when he is not.. Another improvement I see in the team is that Irving seems to understand his game and is learning how to play his hot hand.
The next thing Waiters is lacking is the ability to defend both the perimeter and inside in the post..
Because they had Lebron and Kyrie and maybe even Dellevodova to handle core ball handling
In fact even Lebron should be playing off ball more....the issue is that he really has better passing skills than most point guards
Having the ability to create off the dribble isnt the same as whether it should have been Dion's primary function...
He had the chance to feast on second units....
Anyway its far too early to determine whether the trade is any good long term
I forgot to comment on that part when I made the post, but it's clear as day these two fuckers along with Tyrone Lue is a huge part of the chemistry problem. It not a problem like the Clippers have(players don't like each other), just some players flexing their muscles to show they're bigger than the coach, which could be the team downfall. Honestly if they keep that up I hope they don't win shit and never win shit. You got a fresh knowledgeable coach that y'all could accomplish great things with but y'all tripping fuck that.
Well one thing I doubt the Cavs are focusing in long term...
well I mean for this season and next
Their core is young so as long as they supply them with the right supporting cast they should be good, look at what the bulls did after Grant and them left, however they kept MJ and Pippen.. But the thing with the Cavs is they don't have time wast with rookies trying to get them up to speed while trying to get their act together at the same time... This is why Wiggins was a better fit with the wolves where there was no pressure for him to perform right away..
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